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Mulligans In Football: Bengals Need To Reset Season After 38-24 Loss To New England

You'd be right to say our defense failed miserably at mostly everything they attempted to do this Sunday and Bengals coordinator Mike Zimmer wasn't pleased. “The secondary played tentative. The defensive line played undisciplined and the linebackers made just enough mistakes. We missed so many tackles.” For the most part, Zimmer hoped that the front four would put pressure on Brady, nervous that the blitz would be greatly exposed, much like Aaron Hernandez's 45-yard reception where no one was covering him.

“I was ready to blitz,” Zimmer said. “A few times (Brady) saw it coming and he threw the ball to the outside and on a screen. They had a lot of different formations that weren’t real conducive (to blitzing). I was probably tentative on some of my calls. We had so much time to prepare and we put so many things in, I think we kind of forgot about doing what we do, which we’re good at."

They couldn't contain the Patriots rushing game allowing 5.1 yards-per-rush, they couldn't pressure Tom Brady and they couldn't cover Wes Welker -- then again, who can? Though we'd also be fools not to point out that there's a reason Brady is the highest paid quarterback in the NFL and Welker averages 115 receptions per season. This is status quo between the two.

Yet the Bengals were victims, once again, being as useful as pennies in a jar trying implant their own impressions on the game. They, the Bengals, specifically the defense, were taken for a ride, forcing only one punt. Fortunately, the Patriots were unable to really blow out the Bengals with enough time that saw the deficit eventually collapse to two touchdowns in the fourth quarter.

While the offense did recover some, likely enabled by a Patriots prevent-like defense, they were just as bad early on when the game mattered the most. In the first half, the Bengals would pick up two first downs during the team's first four possessions. Cedric Benson fumbled the football after New England took a quick 10-point lead. Even though they allowed only one quarterback sack, the Bengals offensive line allowed Carson Palmer to be hit at least six times during his epic 50-pass Sunday afternoon.

After another three-and-out after Benson's fumble, Carson Palmer targeted Tight End Jermaine Gresham on a crossing pattern. Linebacker Gary Guyton, after making initial contact with Gresham, swept underneath the pattern just as Palmer threw the football. One could argue that Gresham showed his youth, waiting for the football to reach him, rather than fighting for the pass. Either way, the pass shouldn't have been thrown and Carson knew it. "Just a bad decision," said Palmer. "A ball I shouldn’t have thrown and our team paid the price for my mistake. I can’t do that to our team."

The awful truth is that Cincinnati wasn't prepared. They couldn't figure out the Patriots offensive personnel packages, watching Brady dissect the Bengals defense, finding seven different receivers, always in progression of what the defense was allowing, including two big plays with two rookie tight ends. Aside from Geno Atkins and Frostee Rucker being credited with quarterback hits, Brady was virtually untouched throughout the contest thanks to a New England offensive line that controlled the line of scrimmage, while the Bengals had an assist of missing a shocking number of tackles.

All in all, the Bengals defense allowed 6.5 yards per play in the first game of the season. Last year, opponents recorded a six-yard average in three games against Houston, San Diego and Pittsburgh. When the defense allowed 20 first downs or more, the Bengals went 2-4. The Patriots recorded 20 first downs on Sunday.

Sure, Mike Nugent nailed a 54-yard field goal towards the end of the first half. But the Bengals special teams really wasn't that good, capped with a 97-yard kickoff return by Brandon Tate that gave New England a 31-3 lead. Adam Jones, Quan Cosby and Bernard Scott averaged 17.5-yards per kickoff return, with no one having a return of 20 yards or more. Scott averaged 31.5 yards on 16 returns last season. Kevin Huber had a nice day, averaging 46.3 yards on three punts, including a 57-yarder, but generally speaking, the Patriots starting field position started at their own 36-yard line.

Are we sounding the alarm, jumping off the wagon, calling the season a bust? Hardly. New England was clearly the better team, better coached, miles more prepared. Yet, we're Bengals fans. We've seen it all. We're tough and resilient. We might have our occasional breakdowns, but we always rebound soon enough. But if there is a mulligan in football to restart the season, the Bengals are already using it.

Jermaine Gresham enters the league. Early in the third quarter against the Pittsburgh Steelers, Tony Gonzalez became the first Tight End in NFL history to record over 1,000 receptions. On the same day, the Bengals 2010 first round draft pick recorded his first career reception with 8:54 left in the second quarter.

Chad Reaches Milestone. With over 10 minutes left in the third quarter, Chad Ochocinco caught a 19-yard pass to put him over the 10,000-yard receiving mark for his career.

Opening Weekend Struggles. The Bengals always seem to struggle on opening weekend, with Marvin Lewis now sporting a 3-5 record during the first game of the season. And Cincinnati did lose last year, only to win seven of their next eight games.

Momentum is a bitch. About midway through the second quarter, the Cincinnati Bengals offense began moving the ball. With 8:58 left in the first half, Cincinnati's offense had recorded only 39 yards total and two first downs. They would go on to pick up 117 yards total and seven first downs to finish the first half, capped by a Mike Nugent 54-yard field goal.

The Patriots would move the ball in the closing minute of the half until Patriots place kicker Stephen Gostkowski's 56-yard field goal attempt sailed wide right.

At this point, Chad Ochocinco went into the lockerroom to get an IV and Terrell Owens reportedly had to get something checked out. The offense lined up anyway at their own 46-yard line. Palmer heaved it down the left hashmark and Shipley recorded a 52-yard hail mary reception to the Patriots two-yard line as the first half ended.

Then, the first play of the second half, Brandon Tate returned the second half opening kickoff 97 yards for a touchdown and a 31-3 lead. Game over.

Chad Ochocinco Scores 63rd Career Touchdown. It's nice that Chad Ochocinco recorded his 63rd career touchdown, tying Carl Pickens for most receiving touchdowns in franchise history. What's nice is that it happened when the Bengals were attempting to make a 28-point comeback. After the Bengals closed the deficit to 21 points and forcing the Patriots to punt, the Bengals finished a 12-play, 73-yard drive with a touchdown.

Chad, lined up wide left, sprinted past the secondary with a beautifully thrown ball by Carson Palmer that Chad hauled in with a dive into the endzone.

Jordan Shipley Makes His Mark. On third-and-11 with 11:24 left in the third quarter, Carson Palmer was searching for an open receiver while being pressured and nearly sacked. Able to get rid of the football, Palmer connected a pass to Jordan Shipley, leaping vertically about two yards past the line of scrimmage. With two defenders suffocating Shipley, jumping in the air with him, the wide receiver fought for the reception, hauling down the pass for a first down, continuing a drive that would give Cincinnati their first touchdown in the game.

Jermaine Gresham Makes His Mark. With 7:58 left in the third quarter, the Bengals lined up New England's one-yard line. Palmer, feeling phantom pressure, rolled out right. Domata Peko ran a quick out along the goalline, pulling linebacker Jerod Mayo with him. Gresham found a hole once Mayo vacated the middle, allowing Palmer to throw a pass to his right shoulder, cutting the Bengals deficit to 21 points.

First penalty. With 13:12 left in the third quarter, the Bengals committed their first penalty when Dennis Roland was called for a false start.

First Patriots Punt. With 5:25 left in the third quarter, Patriots punter Zoltan Mesko, arch-nemisis of Superman from the planet Krypton, kicked his first punt in the game.

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The bengals D just couldn’t figure out where the Pats WRs were lined up. The pats would motion k.faulk out wide, making a CB cover him leaving moss or welker on a S or LB. Then they would put welker on the outside with a.jones covering him, motion him inside so that confused the bengals D and they wouldn’t get a player on him. Then the pats came out 3 wide with welker outside on his own and moss and tate on the other side. The bengals d lined up with joseph on welker with a safety over top. A coverage thy would have used if it was moss. But it wasn’t. At the snap. Bengals clearly play zone. Bracketing welker. A technique you would use on moss. Welker the smart route runner he is. Stopped between the CB and S and sat in the zone. Brady found him. TD

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by Joe Goodberry on Sep 13, 2010 9:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

absolutely correct

Patriots are a talented team, but it’s almost as though talent didn’t matter. As soon as you saw the Cincy’s D line up against the Pats O, you could just tell that the Pats were going to get a good play because the matchups were all wrong.

by Whokebe on Sep 13, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hats off to the Patriots

They did everything extremely well.

We didn’t. Palmer and the offense took the first half off. I thought Benson didn’t get enough attention, so much for run first.

Carson also could have had at least 6 balls picked, not just one for the pick 6. Ironic.

The Defense was completely unable to get to Brady. At what point do you stop screaming “BLITZ HIM!!!” and just start drinking heavily. I was disappointed in their play all game. We all know Brady and Welker are going to connect. At least attempt to make it difficult for them.

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by UpStateMike on Sep 13, 2010 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

what's also scary......

is the Patriots played without their two best OL. Logan Mankins is in a contract dispute and Kazur(sp) was out with a bad back.

by redberkey on Sep 13, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kaczur

is not their second best OL. Vollmer beat him out at RT and Kaczur has been a fill in at G with Mankins out.

But yes, Mankins is their best OL.

by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Sep 13, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, they gameplanned for the run.

it’s really that obvious because Predictkowski kept forcing it in the first half and the Patriots had little trouble predicting it and stopping Benson often behind the line of scrimmage.

by Doc Scratch on Sep 13, 2010 9:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Disagree

I don’t think the Bengals did a good job of using the run as opposed to the Patriots really stopping the run. Benson is the type of rhythm runner that you have to get him his touches for him to find a groove. I think the Bengals wanted to showcase the pass offense.

by sgiridharan1982 on Sep 13, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could be a mixture of both.

Benson found a lot more holes though when Palmer was calling the shots, not Bratkowski.

by Doc Scratch on Sep 13, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

When Palmer was calling plays, the Pats were playing prevent defense… so it is moot.

by Paul Fight on Sep 13, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well when you come out of the huddle with an extra OL, reggie kelly, and dan coats at FB. What do you think the play call will be?

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by Joe Goodberry on Sep 13, 2010 12:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

to their credit, the bengals threw out of that set a couple times.

it’s a nice little wrinkle.

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by GrooveLeg on Sep 13, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The good news is...

…bad losses count the same as “good” losses. It’s up to the Bengals to bounce back and beat the ravens at home. I agree—the Bengals seemed tight and unprepared going into the game. Let’s just hope this a wake up call. If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best, we’re gonna have to learn that sooner or later.

by goffchile on Sep 13, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

A dose of realism

Look, I agree that it’s too early to panic; it’s a long season and we’ve still got tons of talent. We can still have a good season, make the playoffs, etc.

That said, we were all thinking that our Bengals could be Super Bowl contenders and that type of success appears fairly unlikely. Are there mulligans in the NFL? Yeah, but Super Bowl winning teams typically don’t need them. Super Bowl teams have flat weeks during the season and sometimes need to regroup, but this was the first damn game. They had 6 months to prepare.

The issue really isn’t the loss. The Pats are good and were playing at home, but we looked undisciplined, ill-prepared, poorly coached and mentally weak. That happens, but not in the first game when expecations are sky high. They showed a stunning lack of maturity and that’s just a fact.

Obviously, the game this week is huge, and I’m glad it’s at home. They need to play 4 quarters of focused, disciplined ball to get this thing rolling in the right directly. I’d love nothing more than to have them prove me wrong.

by Cincy's year on Sep 13, 2010 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

"realism"

Says the guy who labels everyone wrong that the Bengals are not a Super Bowl contender despite the fact that the perennially-contending Colts also lost to the Texans yesterday as well.

The Colts had a bad game because they couldn’t stop Arian Foster. Are you still going to say they’re not playoff bound and uncapable of winning their division?

by Doc Scratch on Sep 13, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Confused?

Not sure I understand this…if anything, wouldn’t I be labeling everyone right that the Bengals are not a SB contender? Hmmm…

Anyway, I guess I’d say that yes, I think the Colts are still very capable of winning their division (of course) and making the playoffs. I will reiterate that it was not the fact of losing yesterday that worries me (i.e. the fact of the Colts loss is thus irrelevant); it was how we came out to play and the start of a new season.

by Cincy's year on Sep 13, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bright Side

1. Both Shipley & Gresham “made their marks.” I couldn’t find Golden Tate or Dez Bryant in game stats.

2. Remove the touchdowns from the intercepted pass & the kickoff runback, and it’s a tie game.

3. In the 14 games played so far, the home teams lead 11-3.

by bigoldguy on Sep 13, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I doubt you'll see much of Golden Tate all year

Dez will probably start clicking sometime this year though.

by SnapCount80 on Sep 13, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bryant?

You didn’t find Dez Bryant in game stats? Did you watch the game? He made several clutch receptions down the stretch.

8 receptions for 56 yards is not bad for a rookie playing in his very first game, and counting his lost college time, this was like his first game action in 40 years.

As for “removing” parts of the game, go ahead and email a letter to Goodell to see if he’s ok with that. I’m sure he’d love to. That’s like saying, “Remove mendenhall’s 50 yard burst in overtime to win the game, and he would have had a so-so day.” What happens from the first whistle, to the last whistle, is IN the game. It all counts.

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by Fifty-Eight on Sep 13, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh

it’s the typical Bengals.com post-game koolaid wrap: If you remove that pick-six, the kick return, the fumble, all the bad plays our defense made, all the bad plays our offense made, then we were almost in this game. Ifs and buts = candies and nuts.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 13, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

.

Yeah, I understand. It’s part of the territory. Maybe you guys can right the ship next week against the Ratbirds.

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by Fifty-Eight on Sep 13, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

or maybe it will be like most of the other seasons

of the Mike-Brown “led” dark ages and fans will be calling for Marvin Lewis’ head by week eight or so.

I didn’t see anything yesterday that didn’t happen in the Jeff Blake years. How do people think Pickens got those 63 touchdowns?

by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 13, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I’ve put a lot of thought in this, and it did not come down to a pick six and kickoff return. People forget that the Pats missed two FGs. Plus I can’ t ignore the fact that Palmer could have easily had 3 picks. It’s not all terrible. It’s just not all good in Bengaldom. I like Carson calling the plays rather than Bratworst!

by DonMegga on Sep 13, 2010 5:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry

I looked for the wrong Bryant. No, I didn’t watch the Dallas game. I got fed up during the Bengals game, went outside & cut firewood. Life is too short.

I did attend the Roger Bacon HS game last week. $6 admission, free parking, cheap hamburgers, great seats, kids play their hearts out, no tweeting on the bench, no ridiculous end zone celebrations, no spinning the ball after a reception, no one spilled beer on me, no one puked on me, no one screamed obscenities, no one fought in the stands, the band played at halftime, no one makes $7 million a year and claims they’re “disrespected”, no 2-minute “warnings” for commercials, ….

How stupid can I be? I hereby quit watching pro football. I’m deleting every sports link from my Favorites. My Sundays are mine again. I don’t care a whit what anyone on this blog says — I’ll never see it because I’m gone. Bye bye.

by bigoldguy on Sep 13, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dez in the game stats

You were looking in the DALLAS stats and not the CINCY stats, right???

Maybe you were looking for Antonio Bryant? Dez had a nice game. Something like 7 catches and 70 yards?

by ephram on Sep 13, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about Nugent? He came thru on a long FG that Graham would have left short

The punting was also better. One part of the team what was viewed as a weakness did pretty well. Shipley is what we thought he would be as well. TO seemed a bit winded at times but he did draw some coverage from Chad. Gresham is still learning a tough position but showed the game isn’t too big for him.

We weren’t the only team to have disappointing losses. Dallas and the Colts did as well to teams worse than the Pats. The Texans also showed that they will play the Ravens pretty tough in Texas. The Ravens will also have a short week and they havn’t beat the Jets yet. Tonight I will be a Jets fan. The breakdown on KO coverage showed a disappointing lack of discipline but that will, i am sure, be fixed. If we are going to have a bad game is is also good that it was against a team that probably would have beaten us as home even if we did play well on both lines.

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by JUNGLEJOHN on Sep 13, 2010 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

true and true

All of these bright spots raise legit points, and I would also add that generally, in the second half, our offense appeared to be in sync better than anything we’ve seen since Chicago last year. Prevent defense? To a degree, but we also played some crap teams last year (KC, Oakland) and our offense looked terrible. Yesterday they showed flashed.

Still, I come back to the point I made above: flashes and bright spots aren’t the hallmarks of real SB contenders. They are the mark of a team hoping to win a division and get into the playoffs.

by Cincy's year on Sep 13, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea you have a point but - there are no SB contenders yet.

It is presumptuous for any team to expect more than to hope to win a division and/or get into the playoffs. It is entirely possible, bordering on probable, that yesterday will be the worse game we play all year. Anybody who predicts a SB at the beginning of the season is simply setting themselves up to fail. There is simply too much football left, too many injuries to deal with and just plain luck that goes into play to get to the SB. I think the Colts had the best odds of going to the SB in the preseason and they were 8-1 against it. ( I think) The real question is – are as bad as we looked in the first half yesterday? I don’t think so. Are we SB conteders? NO and neither is anyone else at this point of the season. Things may change as time goes on but for now I still think we have a legit shot at the division or the playoffs. The Steelers play NE at home and the Ravens play them in Foxboro. NE should win both of those games as well. We just played one of the four toughest teams on our schedule in their house. A loss here was sorta predictable. I figured we would lose and said so here last week.

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by JUNGLEJOHN on Sep 13, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, but apparently poor prep and attention to detail is terrible sign

Look, I agree with basically everything that you’ve written, but that doesn’t change the fact that there were a number of us on this board thinking (hoping?) we were SB contenders. Yesterday is clearly not the end for our season, and we may well rally, and I agree that a loss on the road to the Pats was not an unexpected outcome, but the utter collapse of our team was.

I’m not sure I’m quoting him precisely, but Peko said that leading into halftime, the team was “like deer caught in headlights.”

I just don’t think that the best teams need wake-up calls or mulligans in week 1 of the season.

Nevertheless, every team is different, and still think we’re going to be good, but I did not like the immaturity that we saw yesterday.

by Cincy's year on Sep 13, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're correct

teams that are well coached never have games where the after-game comments are “we were not prepared”, “we were deer in the headlights”, etc, etc. They might give credit to the other team for beating them in a hard fought and much closer contest, but the tone is completely different (like the Vikes losing that close one to the Saints).

This team every single year has multiple games where their excuse is we weren’t prepared… if you think about it for even a millisecond you realize what a slam that is on the coaching staff and the organization, whose job it is to drill and drill and prepare and prepare the players for every contingency.

The rot starts at the top of course, with the dismal expectations where being a barely-above-.500 coach for almost an entire decade is the best thing the organization and its fans can imagine.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 13, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

We just need to get to the Playoffs.

That’s it. Once we get there, anything, anything can happen.

by Doc Scratch on Sep 13, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

the road starts next week at home.

should be a different game. remember, we lost our first game last year too. only that one was WAY uglier…

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by GrooveLeg on Sep 13, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree completely that game was way uglier

both teams played good defense in that game last year, the Bengals grabbed control on their last drive and only the flukiest play in NFL history caused the loss. The Bengals could argue they were the better team.

yesterday’s blowout was an embarrassment to the organization the coaches the players the fans and the NFL.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 13, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm just not in an arguing mood or else i'd defend my position.

and i’m definitely not interested in commenting on that hyperbole.

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by GrooveLeg on Sep 13, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Need more aggression on defense

I’d rather see an aggresive defense attacking the offense at the line and occasionally break down than a bend-but-don’t-break approach which continues to allow easy passes and tackle runningbacks 5 yards down field. But whatever we do, we NEED to get some pressure on the QB. Tom Brady had enough time to read a Tom Clancy novel on a few of his passes.

by Bengal mayhem on Sep 13, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I liked Maualuga's effort

in chasing down the RB after Joseph got toasted. But I agree mostly. They need to be more aggressive. The Dline did little to help in any manner.

by SnapCount80 on Sep 13, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Loving all the Carson Palmer hate

The guys throws for 345 yards and 2 td’s while being pressured like crazy (would Tom terrific have put up 3td’s with the pressure Palmer had?) makes good throws on the run and ran the no-huddle like a champ and all I see on this board is that he doesn’t have what it takes.

I’d take Carson over most of the qb’s in this league and I bet you quite a few coaching staffs wish they had him.

Now the big problem was the Defense or lack there of. You guys are right about no aggression. The play that sticks out to me was the pass to Moss near the line of scrimmage where JJ just stood there like a deer in head lights. Had he just continued his pursuit he would have stopped Moss for little to no gain. Unfortunately he just stood there and let Moss run right by him.

I’m also pretty sure we had an angels in the outfield moment with Crocker breaking up the bomb to Moss. I was sure he was going for 6 there lol.

by Throw the ball on Sep 13, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

The big problem was the team was beaten in every phase of the game

It’s not completely Palmer’s fault although the pick six was.

The offense didn’t do jack at any point when they had a chance to win. The Patriots took their feet off the gas when they were up by four TDs. Then when it got to two TDs, they put their feet back on the gas to make sure the Bengals didn’t get any ideas. That’s the way really good teams play.

Palmer isn’t all world but he would be plenty good enough to win a Super Bowl on a team that had a lot of other good parts the Bengals are missing.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 13, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, he had a good game fantasy-wise.

but you could tell the pressure was way off in the 2nd half when we were playing catch up. that’s a belichik thing. if he gets a lead, he’ll run clock on offense and defense. still, i thought CP looked better with his new weapons and his TD pass to Chad was all-pro. there were definite bright spots in an otherwise dismal offensive performance.

i am not hating on palmer, but i’m not ready to call his production an indication that he’s turned a corner or anything.

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by GrooveLeg on Sep 13, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

pressure=weakness of the line, not the qb

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by supergrover on Sep 13, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carson

I saw Carson should of had 3 picks. I know just about every team would take Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers, Roethlisberger… The list goes on, before Carson. If you make plays when your o- line does it’s job, your good. If you make plays when your o-line doesn’t, your elite.

by DonMegga on Sep 13, 2010 6:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not bad considering....

We had equal yards and equal points to them on Offense & Defense.
We actually made decent adjustments at halftime.
Shipley & Gresham looked good for rookies.
Plus, NE is nearly unbeatable at home.

by ephram on Sep 13, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

only 1 Major problem that i saw

We need to get some sort of PASS RUSH.
Especially since that wasn’t their entire starting O-Line for the Patriots.

That was rediculous. Even JTO or Jordie Palmer could have completed passes with that much time to throw!!!

by ephram on Sep 13, 2010 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Comment from Whodeyrevelution

"It’s Bratkowski’s routes. Everything is a right-angle to the direction of travel on the field. Right-angled crossing routes. The problem with that is that the defense can set up a simple layered defense and that shuts down either the short to medium depth route or the medium to far depth route. Ask yourself as a defensive coordinator… …what’s the smartest to defend against? Easy! Defend the short to medium routes and bank on your defensive line to penetrate the offensive line given enough time — and time is EXACTLY what it takes to run those medium to far routes.

See, here’s the problem, one needs to have not just seams but ANGLES. Run a deep crossing route (which outside of a busted play — rarely every see a completion — it’s sole purpose is to draw a safety and corner deep and clear out the middle) AND a short cross with the TE AND then a slant from the slot receiver or just a plain ol’ receiver! Now you have a spread offense — unintentional/intentional pick plays — linebackers that can’t drop back into coverage for lo and behold a draw is called. You spread everything out, you have used three dimensions. The defense doesn’t have a fucking clue where you are going. The pass opens up the running game and the running game opens up the passing game. It isn’t ‘rocket surgery’ folks! it certainly is true that Bratkowski doesn’t know what he’s doing though…

Now, you ask: “How’s that affecting Palmer?” Well for one, he has to elevate the ball (read: a high pass) to clear all the underneath guys and that means that at ten yards, he has to drill the ball and that means that many receivers aren’t going to be able to cleanly ‘field’ the ball. That means that the defense can ‘sit on the ball’ and scheme and wait all day for Palmer — which means he is going to get sacked, incomplete or intercepted — or at least a stronger than usual (for a pro QB) chance that such is going to happen.

Run that slant and linebackers have to respect that quick five yard speed play slanting inside. That means that run support is left wanting. Better running game, brings the safeties and CB’s up — meaning you now have a ‘mano-a-mano’ matchup where if your WR’s are better and faster than their DB’s, you’ve got a quick six! But…

Let the offense be run by that stagnant mind of one Bratkowski…."

What do you all think?

by sgiridharan1982 on Sep 13, 2010 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't know about right angles but I know

the Bengals plays often don’t find a guy running downfield when he catches the ball, and it’s also very easy to guess run or pass from the formation, the pre-snap motion, and Carson’s body language. (The latter I was able to do successfully all last year)

On plays when the Pats blitzed Carson’s hot read would often be an out pattern where the reciever has his back to the defender and is facing toward the Bengals goal line. Other teams do have slants or backs releasing (in fact the Bengals used to do that kind of thing with James Brooks)

Brat’s play calling and play design are atrocious. And we knew that before Marvin Lewis was even hired.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 13, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Preseason Management to Blame

The 1st half looked like preseason, & the Bengals were not the only team that proved that not giving your starters enough reps in preason will cost the team an open game loss! The 1st half of this game should have played itself out a little more in preseason then we might be talking about a win! Watching the opening week of the NFL has proven to be a waist of time for anyone looking for quality football. The opening week is also a poor indicator for what’s to come. Next week’s Baltimore game will be the benchmark for the season. P.S. FIRE BRAT! SAID IT LAST YEAR, SAYING IT AGAIN THIS YEAR! Let Carson call his own plays!

by Vman in Germany on Sep 13, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Lol

I apologize for any comments about Carson. Fire Brat, and CP will thrive!

by DonMegga on Sep 13, 2010 7:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The play calling is a BIG concern.

I noticed last season that we look so vanilla compared to other teams. This was compounded because we ran so much, but the game against the pats really showed it.

The Patriots gave our defense so many crazy looks…. and we come out and run base formation packages over and over again.

I think it’s time to just hand the reigns over to Palmer. The whole tempo of the game just changes and we seem to have significantly more success. I also believe a lot of our success in the late 2nd quarter and the 2nd half came from an exhausted Pats D. You could see their entire defense slow down when we went no-huddle.

by Throw the ball on Sep 13, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

+9

Palmer for OC and QB!

by DonMegga on Sep 13, 2010 8:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Gameplanning 101?

I blame the coaching staff for this loss. Poor game plan and very poor play calling. You HAVE to BLITZ Tom Brady to FORCE him to make a mistake… No team in the NFL can afford to wait for him to make mistakes on his own. Keeping Brady off the field is just as important as blitzing him when he is on the field. Benson didn’t look good on his first few attempts at attempting to pound the ball on obvious running plays. So, they try to stretch the defense with 15+ yard pass attempts… didn’t work. There are more ways to open a running game than these 2 options, like DRAWS and SCREENS for example. The fairy tale that you have to “quick score” to get back in the game is stupid when your playing the likes of a Brady or Manning… Your not going to match them. Keep them off the field and keep the score close and control the football… Period! The entire 2nd stats for the Bengals is bogus… The Pats were so far ahead, they pretty much played prevent defense the rest of the game. Watch the films guys, it is all in there… open up the playbook a little more to include screens and draws plays and for goodness sake, BLITZ the crap out of the Bradys, Mannings, and Rogers of the league if you want to win,

by Paul Fight on Sep 13, 2010 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Things that need to be fixed ASAP

1.) D-Line/Pressure. I really think that Odom and Geathers especially have become useless. I really think they should look at getting Dunlap and Michael Johnson reps at DE.

2.) Fix the LG and RT positions. Though they weren’t penalized (for once) and there was only 1 or 2 sacks on Palmer, these positions need to be addressed. Smith needs to get ready to play soon and they need to either get a FA Guard or settle on Mathis.

3.) Settle on ONE KR AND PR. Scott should be the KR and Cosby should be the PR. Until they play poorly or are injured, Jones should not be in there. If they truly feel that Jones is the better option, then they need to decide so and go with it. Continuity here is crucial.

4.) Run the “no-huddle” more. The less that Brat has hands on the play-calling the better. Though it was against a Patriots “prevent defense”, they scored and moved the ball well while doing this. Look back to 2005-2007 and you’ll notice a lot of no-huddle as well.

5.) Get a fullback and get rid of Dan Coats.

6.) Get Leonard healthy and get rid of Peerman. He missed a crucial tackle on the KR TD yesterday. Get a guy like Hebert or someone back for ST.

7.) Coaching improvements. I don’t watch the Patriots that much, but I know that they run the “Welker Bubble screen” at least 6 times a game. They ran it that many times yesterday. How are you not prepared for this? Furthermore, the Bengals squad looked scared and on their heels. You have to get them prepared for a big game like this. Period.

Soooooo….a lot of work to do.

by Anthony Cosenza on Sep 13, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Nicely done

I agree with all your points

by featherman on Sep 13, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jermaine Gresham Makes His Mark

Josh, O.J. Mayo plays for the Memphis Grizzlies. Jerod Mayo plays for the New England Patriots.

by Kevin Minor on Sep 13, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

One thing I really don't get

Hoe can a team line up two TEs and Welker on one extreme side and not have a D respond to it? Someone should have called a TO as the miss match is obvious. I knew what was coming while Brady was still under center. The formation basically screamed “Hey we are going to throw it to Welker and have the two TEs take out your corner and safety so he can score. Is that Okay?” I guess it was Okay because ML or Zim just let them have it. They probably would have scored anyway the way the D was playing but why make it so easy. I was really disappointed with Zim’s efforts with the D. He is the one who had the biggest “deer in the headlights” look. Marvin looked like he was ready to throw up halfway thru the 1st quarter.

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Sep 13, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah I wondered why we didn’t use a TO to avoid confusion on D. Carson made two audible or adjustments and the Pats called TOs. Belichek, or however you spell it, was all over it.

by DonMegga on Sep 13, 2010 7:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

bengals latest disappointment

I agree with Bengal Anthony 13. This is such a typical Bengal performance. They suck people in and get them interested and then come out and look like a high school team, particularly in big games. They were totally unprepared and didn’t handle anything the pats threw at their defense. Their offense was totally predictable. They ran up alot of meaningless yards and points in the second half after they were totally embarassed and the game was over. I saw this on another blog and it’s true. The pats are like a fortune 500 company and the Bengals are mom and pop and it shows. I am a long time Bengals fan living in New England. The Pats did nothing that they haven’t done for the last 3 years. They out executed, out prepared and outcoached the Bengals. I think the Bengals have more talent and the Pats will turn out to be not that good this year. Sadly I have seen this many times over many years. It’s the organization and the management as much or more than the coaching and players. I’d like to see them win but they have let me down too many times.

by detro1 on Sep 13, 2010 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think the Bengals

have more talent than the Pats

The Bengals have some seriously overrated/overpaid guys, e.g. Geathers. The Pats would have cut a guy like that, gets a big contract and collects fewer sacks in his next three years than he did in his big contract year.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 13, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

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