Week 2 Preview: Regaining Respect
A familiar foe of Flacco and his Raven flock fly into town this week in the first AFC North showdown of the season. Baltimore became the media darlings of the offseason, showing off their finished product last week in a cage-match style win against the New York Jets. The Bengals on the other hand, well, we all saw what happened. The beautiful thing about the NFL is that each week is a new chance to right the wrongs, to clean up the mess, to turn the ship around, and for such a rough and tumble team, Cincinnati seems to have Baltimore's number.
Of course, it won't be easy -- it never is. The Ravens are a gang of calculated assassins, surly and powerful with an attitude and a thirst for bone crushing hits. The Bengals were very much the same last season, but Cincinnati's physical trademark was nonexistent last week against New England and waves of doubt flooded over them after such a decisive beatdown. For the Bengals to walk away victors on Sunday, they must regain that gladiator persona and be prepared for a serious test of strength and will.
Ravens offense vs. Bengals defense
Last week, the Ravens met a mighty contender in the form of the crazed Jets defense and their offensive production was limited. The Jets did a nice job of containing the compact and explosive Ray Rice by staying in their running lanes and not missing tackles; it is imperative the Bengals do the same. Rice is slippery and hard to bring down, and if Cincinnati can't wrap him up on the first attempt, he can bust a big one on nearly every run. Baltimore doesn't attempt to trick its opponents on running plays; not once did they try running to the weak side of their formations last week. Instead, they loaded up the strong side with as many blockers as possible and had Rice run behind them, often times on delayed hand-offs from the shotgun formation. If the Bengals can clog the middle and stay there, it will prevent Rice from finding the seams to daylight he so adroitly seems to locate.
The Bengals need not worry about the Ravens' complimentary backs, Willis McGahee or Le'Ron McClain as much, because McClain was used sparingly against New York, and McGahee, in a word, sucks. If the Bengals let them, Baltimore can ground-and-pound all day, using up clock and wearing out a defense that has much to prove after a dismal showing in New England last week. Therefore, stopping the run should be the top priority in their defensive gameplan; shedding their blocks and succeeding in tackling is paramount to their success.
That means Joe Flacco must pass, and pass often. That seems like strange advice, encouraging a team with so many weapons to fire them at will, but with the right coverage and skilled cornerbacks, that too can be stopped.
Flacco went after Antonio Cromartie and rookie Kyle Wilson last week, and completely ignored all-world cornerback Darrelle Revis' side of the field. Cromartie did manage an interception near the goal-line, but overall proved to be a weakness in the Jets defense; Wilson was even worse. Both men struggled in man-to-man coverage and each were flagged for multiple, costly penalties. While the Bengals don't quite have anyone on Revis' level—no one is really—they do have a very talented group of corners, and Flacco should find it more difficult picking on any one of them.
The Ravens like using the three-wide shotgun formation with T.J. Houshmandzadeh in the slot, where they often put him motion to find a mismatch somewhere on the field. I would expect they target third-corner, Adam Jones, in these scenarios, challenging Jones either on underneath routes across the middle, or going up top along the sideline.
If Houshmandzadeh is covered, that leaves Derrick Mason, who has been blanketed by the Bengals in the past, or newcomer Anquan Boldin as their other wide-out options. Mason is an afterthought, catching only three passes in two games last year, but Boldin is a new type of challenge for Cincinnati's secondary. He is fast enough to go by many defenders, but his real strength is, well, his strength. Similar to Terrell Owens, Boldin has huge, muscular arms, a wide frame and can be deadly on the outside on short passes against smaller defensive backs. The Ravens should try quick hitters to him in open space, daring the Bengals secondary to try and bring him down. Jonathan Joseph had a memorable miss on Randy Moss last week that allowed a big play, but overall Joseph is a good tackler and needs to prove it this Sunday.
On third downs—an area of struggle last week for Cincinnati—look for the Ravens to find Todd Heap on shorter routes. Heap has put together a nice career and still appears plenty involved in Baltimore's passing attack. Bengals safety Chris Crocker will likely be assigned to Heap the most, and has to heighten his awareness of where the nimble tight end is on third down.
Bengals offense vs. Ravens defense
While the Ravens defense is big, strong and ugly, they aren't necessarily wild and blitz-crazy. They rely heavily on their 3-4 outside linebackers, Jarret Johnson and Terrell Suggs, to get pressure from the outside without sending too many safety or corner blitzes to help them. When they do blitz, they are selective and calculated and like to bring Ray Lewis up the gut, or Chris Carr from the edge.
Regardless of their scheme, it's imperative that Carson Palmer gets enough protection to look downfield and attack the Ravens' questionable secondary. Suggs is especially deadly on the pass-rush, though the offensive line did a nice job on him last year, and, similar to the Patriots' Vince Wilfork, Haloti Ngata can create havoc up the middle. Cincinnati's hogs up front only allowed one sack last week (to Wilfork), but was still criticized for allowing too many hits on Palmer. Baltimore will likely bring more pressure than New England did, so the onus this week is on the line.
If Palmer is given time to throw, he could have a big day. For whatever reason, Carson has found success against the Ravens through the air, and with the pirate-bearded lurker, Ed Reed, watching from the sideline, his day should be that much easier. The Ravens secondary wasn't tested much at all from an anemic Jets passing attack last week, and I expect they will have much more to worry about from the newly formed Bengals passing game that came to life in the second half of Week 1. Look for the same type of passing scheme this week from the Bengals with Jermaine Gresham in the red-zone, Jordan Shipley and TO on shorter possession routes, and Chad Ochocinco in one-on-one matchups. It's impossible to double-team them all, so, once more, if the Bengals allow Carson enough time, he can find mismatches all over the field against such a suspect secondary.
Baltimore is excellent against the run. They flow to the ball-carrier and bottle up rushing lanes at or near the line of scrimmage. Ngata's girth clogs up the middle, and allows their talented linebacker unit to meet running backs at the point of attack—and this is a group that doesn't miss many tackles. Bengal bell cow Cedric Benson had an underwhelming day last week, thanks largely to the offensive line not getting a good enough push after the snap, but Benson has had good days against Baltimore in the past, and the offensive line as a whole needs to be as physically strong as possible for that to continue. If Cincinnati can find some running room with Benson, mixed in with a dash of Bernard Scott, it will keep the Ravens off balanced and will allow the passing game to open up even more.
The key for the Bengals offense is to prove to Baltimore that they can throw against them; pass to set up the run. Cincinnati must convert better in the first half on third down and find ways to create sustained drives early on. Confidence is a big part of this game, and it seemed to be zapped right out of this team before they could even get their feet under them last week. Some blamed offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski for the early struggles against New England, but I felt the play-calling and scheme was above average and that the players couldn't get it going. If Brat keeps his players in the same type of roles this week, and the players tighten the screws a bit more, the improved results should speak for themselves.
Conclusion
This game will be difficult but is certainly winnable. It isn't unfamiliar territory between these two teams and that should give the Bengals more confidence. After laying such a large egg to open the season, I expect Cincinnati to come out angry and fire all of their guns. This game means more than just a win; it means gaining back respect and retaining their divisional supremacy. The higher the score, the better their chances. Protect No. 9 and good things should happen.
Bengals 31, Ravens 21
Mojokong—by the seat of my pants.
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i hate the ravens like no other team in the nfl
and look forward to every game vs the ravens. i generally enjoy these 2 games more than any playoff game or the super bowl. on paper this year, these 2 teams should be a collision of perfect checks and balances.
the bengals to win this game have to go over the top. beat the ravens deep and then control the clock.
the ravens to win this game have to control the short game.
if the bengals defense can show up, which it didn’t do until the second half in week 1, we can win this game. the defense plays another 30 minute game and either team can win.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
hate em more than Pitt?
In Zim We Trust......Collaros for Heisman...An Avid Reader of Cincyjungle.com
by TennBengalfan on Sep 18, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
hard to believe
The Squeelers and their fans both, bottom of the barrel. Last two Super Bowl wins came with officials help.
The Ravens have been very good for a long time, got their one Super Bowl win by being awesome on defense. Not in the same category of dislike.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 18, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
yes
at least the steelers fans you can drink a beer with. and they’re people in person. the steelers loudmouths on the forums are just the bandwagons that never go to games and jumped on board after cowher got there.
talk to a steelers fan sometime down at the jungle, you’ll be shocked, they’re just people.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
We hate you too! God I'm glad I'm not a BUNGHOLE fan.
by Let's be Realistic here! on Sep 18, 2010 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
ratbird
cleveland wants it team back. you can have the brownies 2.0. make sure to return Ozzie and their Lombardis too.
now go back to your forum and post the name calling in crayon colors.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Baltimore wants its team back also
Teams move all the time. How about the Rams, Raiders, and Cardinals. Just ignore the guys comments above yours, and name calling isn’t the way to respond.
the discordance of the rhetorical device
appears to have missed its mark for you. twas irony.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Where glad your not fan too. We don’t need bandwagoners that like to wear purple thongs. Try the steelers out they are full of half ass fans.
by lbacker2179 on Sep 19, 2010 8:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
First sbn post
Pretty much agree with all of this.
Last year I thought we were useless after one game and then we went and won in Lambeau (Daniel Coats, football genius). We can do it again but we have to throw early to keep the Ravens D guessing before the snap and then run it down their throats again and again and again.
Our D has to do what it did last year on the Ravens, and additionally, superb nickle play on Housh. Plus I reckon Mr Adam Jones will have at least one huge st return.
(ps long time lurker love this blog)
by Hawkins the Hammer on Sep 17, 2010 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don’t see how any objective football fan can pick Cincinnati in this game.
After the impressive performance by the Ravens last week and the unbelievably bad performance by the Bengals, it’s hard to believe that anyone would side with the Bengals in contest the would have been considered close if the Bengals had won. I’m sorry, guys, but I just don’t see how the Bengals have a prayer in this game unless the Ravens have several critical injuries.
The Ravens will control the Bengals at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. The Bengals ran on the Ravens last season. One of the games last season was without Ngata, and after what I saw from the Bengals in preseason and last week, I don’t see how they can run on the Ravens, who stopped the Jets running game stone-cold last week.
Not having any success running the ball will be a killer blow to the Bengals. Last season, the Bengals’ running game carried them to success and allowed Palmer to work with nine in the box and use play action. This year, the Ravens secondary, although not the strength of the team, is playing well enough to allow their elite front seven to dominate. Chad and the others will probably make some catches, but like the game last week, their numbers will be bloated from a losing effort.
The Ravens’ offense should have a great game versus the Bengals. Anyone who watched the entire Jets game can tell you that the Ravens moved the ball well versus the best defense in the league. At times, the Ravens were moving the ball at will versus the Jets. I believe that the Bengals are going to have a very hard time stopping the Ravens on offense.
The Ravens were embarrassed after losing two games to the Bengals last season. They’re going to be playing this game angry, with reckless abandon and with something to prove. I really don’t think the Bengals know what they’re in for.
Ravens 31 Bengals 13
by BAL_Hawk on Sep 17, 2010 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You criticize Bengals fans for not being objective...
and then you post Ravens 31 – Bengals 13? The Ravens moved the ball towards the end of the game against a defense that was out on the field for 40 minutes AND B’more ended up getting the benefit of just about every penalty flag. Impressive getting the win but you only scored 10 points. I’m not saying the Bengals will definitely win, but I think you are looking at the game through purple-tinted glasses.
"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius
The Jets were very lucky to have held the Ravens to 10 points. It was a prime example of a game’s score that doesn’t reflect how lop-sided the contest really was. The statistics were off-the-charts in favor of the Ravens. In most contests, the score would have favored the Ravens by much more. The Ravens had 20 first downs to the Jets 6. The Ravens had a 57% third-down efficiency compared to the Jets 9%. The Ravens had 282 total yards compared to the Jets 176. They were lucky because their defense forced turnovers at critical moments. That’s a credit to their scheme, but everyone nows that there’s luck involved in fumbles and interceptions by corners.
I predicted that the Bengals would lose 27-13 last week. I was heavily criticized for that. I guess I was wearing my glasses then as well.
A win is a win....pretty or ugly, but the whole Bengals time is just plain UGLY!
by Let's be Realistic here! on Sep 18, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Balhawk
I stopped reading your post after the first sentence. Lets start with this… WE BEAT YOU TWICE LAST YEAR!
I think its pretty reasonable considering comparative upgrades that we can do it again
by The Dealio on Sep 18, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
2nd drive of the game,
after Flacco’s fumble, the Ravens marched down the field (without the benefit of many penalties, IIRC), converting at least 2 key 3rd downs. This drive ended in McGahee’s fumble. 2 drives later, the Ravens again moved down the field (although this time not as far, going about 55 yards) before Flacco threw an interception. If the Ravens can avoid those turnovers Sunday…
"Give us 10 points and the game is over...And they didn't score on us. Make sure you quote that. They didn't score on our defense."
"Ray Lewis has lost a step? I don't think so, Ray Lewis is still the best linebacker in football."-JH
by organizedchaos52 on Sep 17, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
ok....
Whose to say those catches would’nt have been made without the PI or holding. Those were legit penalties. Heap dropped a TD and Flacoo overthrew a wideopen Mclain in the endzone. There’s 14 more points to make it 24-9. I HATE what ifs, but you asked for it.
by Let's be Realistic here! on Sep 18, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
ok....ok
<Whose to say those catches would’nt have been made without the PI or holding. Those were legit penalties. Heap dropped a TD and Flacoo overthrew a wideopen Mclain in the endzone. There’s 14 more points to make it 24-9. I HATE what ifs, but you asked for it>
change wouldn’t to would in the first sentence. Insert “made up” between more and points in the second to last line. Erase the last line and add “See there’s my imaginary score in fairy land.” and you get this:
<Whose to say those catches would have been made without the PI or holding. Those were legit penalties. Heap dropped a TD and Flacoo overthrew a wideopen Mclain in the endzone. There’s 14 more made up points to make it 24-9. See there’s my imaginary score in fairy land.>
Now shut up and go back to your own site.
by GrizzlyRider on Sep 18, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
So you should get the points from when your players messed up?
So I guess the kick return TD and the pick six don’t count from the Bengals game. Oh, and since the pass rush wasn’t working well Tom Brady’s passing TD’s shouldn’t have counted for them.
This can go both ways.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
Double edge sword
You say the only reason the Ravens moved the ball and won was because of penalties. Who is to say that if the Jets chose not to hold and pass interfere that the ball doesn’t advance even farther. Just like you said, this can go both ways.
So let's stop trying to figure things out from those games.
The bottom line is that the Ravens are 1-0 and the Bengals are 0-1. It really doesn’t matter how they got there.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
I would respond with something witty or some kind of argument.
but everything your talking about is based off purple-tinted glasses. If you think for one second your going to DOMINATE the bengals, your just another uninformed purple wearing moron who clearly doesnt understand football.
The 2000 Ravens
Both of you guys don’t understand what BAL_Hawk was saying. We played against the best defense in the league and scored ten points. The reason we didn’t score more was because of all the penalties committed by the Jets. Todd Heap dropped a touchdown pass in the end zone and I think someone else also did. You’re looking at 14 points versus 6 or 3. The 2000 Ravens went 3 1/2 games without scoring a touchdown and won. That’s what a good defense allows you to do. You had the two best defenses playing each other Monday night, just how many points were you expecting.
Dude he is'nt saying anything intelligent. Whether your team wins or loses there will be no domination on either side
git thinks that upsets us.
just reminds us, they stole the brownies 1.0 and still owe cleveland their team back and marvin lewis put baltimore on the map.
it sure in the hell wasn’t their lethal offense. cough. dilfer and banks, ohhh, it must be a td. wait nevermind.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
And the only reason you did score was because of the jets penalties.
Otherwise like I said earlier the score would have been 9-3 Jets
The Jets penalties kept the Ravens from scoring more
We lost a lot of yardage because the Jets kept the receivers from catching the passes on the run.
Umm your logic is skewed
PI penalties are spot fouls… so no yards lost there
by Oregonbengalsfan on Sep 17, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If
a receiver beats a corner cleanly and makes the catch, he can sprint into the endzone. Instead, a beaten defender can commit a foul, keeping the receiver either from catching the ball or breaking away, the ball gets placed where the foul occurred, and the offense still has to try to score from there.
"Give us 10 points and the game is over...And they didn't score on us. Make sure you quote that. They didn't score on our defense."
"Ray Lewis has lost a step? I don't think so, Ray Lewis is still the best linebacker in football."-JH
by organizedchaos52 on Sep 17, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I tried to explain
When you are playing last years #1 defense you don’t get many chances to burn them. A 40 yard touchdown could end up being a 3 and out.
The Ravens knew going into the game that they would need to put the ball in the air versus man coverage. The receivers caught the ball many times in one-on-one coverage. Housh had a 27 yard catch, Mason had a 12 yard catch, and Boldin had catches of 27 yards and 38 yards.
Furthermore, the Ravens knew that the Jets corners couldn’t handle their receivers and were expecting to force penalties. It was part of the game-plan. Here’s what Flacco had to say after the game…
They’re going to play you one on one, and you have to go away from the safety and give your guy a chance to get the ball. We did a good job of that today.
This was the type of game where you had to [take deep shots]. Those were the shots we had. They were going to come after us and play man, and we knew we had to take shots down the field . It was kind of like Green Bay last year where we got alot of pass interferences calls or we caught it. This time we came up with alot of good catches and we got a couple PI calls and couple holding calls.
That’s what you’ve got to do against this team. You got to try and take chunks, and sometimes you end up getting penalties against them also.
Read the interviews of the Ravens coaches. They knew that the Jets weren’t going to score on their defense. Therefore, they scaled the offense back for ball-control. That’s why they continued to give Rice the ball even though he was only averaging 2 yards per carry. They should have scored more points even under those circumstances… including on the very last drive when they punted in field goal range because the knew the Jets offense wasn’t going to get into field-goal range.
Bal_hawk it never as it seems
Our team isn’t as bad as last week and your team isn’t as incredible as you believe you were last week.
The Bengals know how to play the Ravens, We will test your CBs , They weren’t even tested a little. C benson is a bigger back the LT and SG . I’m not seeing this as an easy game , Its a division game all divsion games are tough in the NFL,.
You are certainly entitled to your opinions, and you drink the puple koolaid like we do aound here, but don’t be suprised when things don’t turn out the way you think they will.
Also I think the Jets are way over rated, they had a good run LY but they were a mediocre team for most of the year. The got rid of some leaders on the team for rookie line man and names from the past, Their offense is inept and defense is over aggressive. Your team got 5 1st downs from penalties LW. see ya sunday
I agree.
There’s no way this game ends up being a blowout, one way or the other. Hell, the Browns sucked last year, yet they beat the Steelers, played the Ravens close in Cleveland, and the Bengals needed 5 periods to come out on top, and they needed Palmer to scramble for 12 yards on a 4th and 11.
No matter how bad a team is, games within the division are almost always close. This game should be an exciting win for the team that pulls it out, and a heartbreaker for the team that loses, coming down to the team that makes plays late in the 4th quarter, maybe even the final minutes or final drive of the game.
"Give us 10 points and the game is over...And they didn't score on us. Make sure you quote that. They didn't score on our defense."
"Ray Lewis has lost a step? I don't think so, Ray Lewis is still the best linebacker in football."-JH
by organizedchaos52 on Sep 17, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
nah the 2009 browns
were 9-7
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
5-11?
"Give us 10 points and the game is over...And they didn't score on us. Make sure you quote that. They didn't score on our defense."
"Ray Lewis has lost a step? I don't think so, Ray Lewis is still the best linebacker in football."-JH
by organizedchaos52 on Sep 18, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said.
How the Ravens stood up against an incredible defense was very telling to me. I was also impressed with how they stuffed the run. I don’t believe you can fake those two areas (pass offense versus a great defense and run defense versus a great running team). The problems that the Bengals had last week and really all preseason are equally as hard to fake. They had serious protection issues along the offensive line and couldn’t seem to pressure Brady all day.
Right now, I honestly don’t see this game being close, but maybe I am reading too much into last weeks games. It is possible that the Jets are just extremely hyped and the Bengals just had a bad game… a very, very bad game, but at this point, I don’t believe that’s the case due to the reason I stated above.
omg in 2000 you owned
is it still 2000?
1) you can have the brownies 2.0. thats your team. cleveland earned those trophies for 40+ years they sold out of the stadium and stood behind their team.
2) all thanks to ozzie. the cleveland superstar. he’s theirs not yours.
3) thanks to marvin lewis for his defense.
4) .357. learn it. eat it. breath it. you earned that vs marvin lewis too.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
The Patriots BLEW YOU OUT!!!!! It was 31-3 in the 3rd quarter!
The Bengals could very well be DOMINATED this Sunday again. You cant respond with something witty because your not that smart.
by Let's be Realistic here! on Sep 18, 2010 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions
what was the final score?
omgz we blew the pats out 21-7. yay. don’t be simple. the game is 60 minutes long. i know its a concept, which might be hard for some of the current ravens fans posting here to comprehend.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
If you're going to call someone else out on intelligence, at least use proper grammar.
Saying “your not that smart” just makes you sound like an illiterate jackass.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
The Patriots BLEW YOU OUT!!!!! It was 31-3 in the 3rd quarter!
The Bengals could very well be DOMINATED this Sunday again. You cant respond with something witty because your not that smart.
by Let's be Realistic here! on Sep 18, 2010 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions
"After the impressive performance by the Ravens"
Now that’s comedy
by Oregonbengalsfan on Sep 17, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither team was impressive Monday night
The game was a total snore fest
by Oregonbengalsfan on Sep 17, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
ravens fans are used to seeing single touchdown games
dilfer.
banks.
etc.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
we talking highschool or college?
=p
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Akili Smith?
"Give us 10 points and the game is over...And they didn't score on us. Make sure you quote that. They didn't score on our defense."
"Ray Lewis has lost a step? I don't think so, Ray Lewis is still the best linebacker in football."-JH
by organizedchaos52 on Sep 18, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Last year
They were #1 last year – not this year. Your argument ranks right up there with, “yeah you beat us both times this year; but we have six super bowl rings”
by GrizzlyRider on Sep 17, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If they keep breaking the rules and getting caught for it. I doubt they will.
by JamesShively on Sep 17, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that depends
on how you measure #1 defenses. If they keep giving up 100 yards in penalties, they may very well give up the fewest yards as a defense (I don’t think penalty yards are counted in total yards).
"Give us 10 points and the game is over...And they didn't score on us. Make sure you quote that. They didn't score on our defense."
"Ray Lewis has lost a step? I don't think so, Ray Lewis is still the best linebacker in football."-JH
by organizedchaos52 on Sep 17, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Who can say, it’s week 1 of a new year; that’s the point.
by GrizzlyRider on Sep 17, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
always amused by the ravens fans that think 2009 is something new
guess that happens when they jump on the bandwagon and don’t bother to know the history. maybe we’d be safe to assume ravens bandwagon fans are just trying to act like they know football to impress their boyfriends.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Last years number one d. A defense isn’t very impressive when there best player gets 3 practices before his first game and they looked completly undisciplined.
by lbacker2179 on Sep 19, 2010 12:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Go back to Baltimore Beatdown
And have a Beatdown circle jerk with your ratbird buddies..
by JamesShively on Sep 17, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I cannot get over how many comments like this I’ve gotten on this blog. I have never said anything derogatory or rude here.
JUNGLEJOHN always talks about how irrational Ravens’ fans are, but at least we don’t chase people off for wanting to talk football.
Coming to insult our team with your "Ravens will dominate" attitude is not talking football
You’re delusional..
by JamesShively on Sep 17, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m entitled to my opinion… same as you. If you don’t like it, don’t spend the time commenting on it.
You're secondary is depleted and the Jet's offense isn't nearly as dangerous as ours..
Simple enough? 31-13 is a arrogant and cocky prediction.
by JamesShively on Sep 17, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The Ravens are only missing Foxworth and Reed. They knew from the start of training camp that they would be out and had an entire off-season to get ready to play without those guys. Zbikowski, Reed’s backup, may be better than either Bengal’s starting safety, and the Ravens have Webb, who didn’t play last season, returning and Wilson to replace Foxworth. Everyone else is healthy. The Ravens’ weak secondary is a myth that has been pounded to death by the media. They are a proud group and this game will be a statement for them.
That's all speculation.. What happen to being objective?
by JamesShively on Sep 17, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
So wait
just wait a second here.
>Foxworth and Reed
Oh so the best two players in the secondary are out? Huh, let’s see if Bengals fans are making cocky statements if JJo and Hall are out of a game.
>Webb, who didn’t play last season
If you have to vault Webb, at least give respect to Jones, considering he was out of football over a year and he’s capable of being the best nickel back in the entire league.
>Everyone else is healthy
So I guess 3/5 of your starters is better than 5/5?
Yeh, it’s easy to look like such a good secondary when Mark Sanchez is throwing the ball.
If you want to desperately believe that the Ravens secondary is weak, knock yourself out.
All I said was that Zbikowski is a good player backing up Reed (he did a great job filling in last season too), and that the Ravens have Webb and Wilson to replace Foxworth, who is hardly irreplaceable. You can’t replace a player like Reed, but Zbikowski would start for many teams.
My only point is that the Ravens’ secondary without Reed is still in the top half of the league (Reed makes them elite), and with the front seven that the Ravens have, an average secondary is suffocating. Any team that goes into a Ravens game assuming their secondary is weak is going to be surprised. So… go ahead assume away.
With Reed,
it’s possible that the secondary gets weaker. Reed will gamble, and sometimes come up with a big play that is huge, but he often isn’t there when a corner needs help. Zbikowski, although his play Monday didn’t show it very well, is typically where the corner expects him to be. So, we trade big plays for sound defense. Personally, I take big plays, and there is definitely a huge drop-off in skill between the two, but Zbi is still an NFL player. He could easily start for another decent team.
"Give us 10 points and the game is over...And they didn't score on us. Make sure you quote that. They didn't score on our defense."
"Ray Lewis has lost a step? I don't think so, Ray Lewis is still the best linebacker in football."-JH
by organizedchaos52 on Sep 17, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a little worried
about Fabian Washington trying to cover either TO or Ocho….
"Give us 10 points and the game is over...And they didn't score on us. Make sure you quote that. They didn't score on our defense."
"Ray Lewis has lost a step? I don't think so, Ray Lewis is still the best linebacker in football."-JH
by organizedchaos52 on Sep 17, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
yah a ravens fan that is talking football
its rare here, it really is.
game really does come down to cincy needing to throw over the top of the ravens secondary. if palmer can do that, field is stretched and ball can be controlled.
thats an if.
i know baltimore had major secondary issues last season, i’m assuming some of that was improved in the off season. what was the cb that kept getting torched by the bengals last season, foxworth maybe? not 100% on the name. is he still there?
as for the ravens plan, control the short game, don’t make mistakes on offense, and take away the deep ball on defense.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Foxworth is the player who they lost for the season.
Washington and Webb were both injured during last year’s games, but now they’re healthy. The Ravens also traded for Josh Wilson, who was considered Seattle’s best corner last season by several sources (including PFF), to help offset the loss of Foxworth. From what I’ve read, the Ravens don’t feel like the loss of Foxworth was crippling and obviously have alot of confidence in Zbikowski.
Furthermore, they have alot of young talent emerging in their secondary. All of them are fast, and several of them have proven to be play-makers. I really feel like these guys could be special.
I try.
This particular chat has broken down to senseless name calling. All I want is somewhere to discuss football.
I’d argue that more important is Benson. If the Ravens can stop Benson early and get the Bengals away from running the ball, it will be easier for them to stop Palmer and Co. If, at the same time, the Ravens can put up a decent amount of points (at least 2 TDs), that would make it even harder to justify running the ball with Benson. At that point, the Ravens could let their blitzes loose or drop extra men into coverage.
On the other hand, if Benson goes off like he did last year, I don’t think there’s any way we can win this game. Even if we manage to keep it close (no way we’re more than a score ahead, and that’d be in the best of cases), by the 4th quarter our defense will be exhausted (running well lets your team dominate time of possession), and Carson can have his way with us like he always does.
"Give us 10 points and the game is over...And they didn't score on us. Make sure you quote that. They didn't score on our defense."
"Ray Lewis has lost a step? I don't think so, Ray Lewis is still the best linebacker in football."-JH
by organizedchaos52 on Sep 18, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you
I agree with everything you said. Both scenarios are very possible. This is objective commenting.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Sep 19, 2010 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions
oh ONLY missingreed and foworth. your 2 best DBs. that like if we said, thats ok were only missing joseph and hall
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by Joe Goodberry on Sep 18, 2010 5:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
must we forget your little “how can any objective fan” rant earlier. I’m still laughing at your objectivity. Let’s not forget this gem, “The Ravens were embarrassed after losing two games to the Bengals last season. They’re going to be playing this game angry, with reckless abandon and with something to prove.” Now that’s funny. Seems to me they would have been plenty angry and embarrassed after the first game and the streak ending. Didn’t seem to effect the second game too much.
by GrizzlyRider on Sep 17, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
They were angry.
They also didn’t have Ngata or half their secondary healthy. They lost that game too, and now they’re even more angry.
Much has changed since last season. I’m really looking forward to this game.
I'll give you this.
If the Bengals play like they did in the first half of last week (when the game mattered) the Ravens will hand them their butts; as would almost every other team in the NFL.
But, to come on to this website and make bold predictions (even if they come true) about your team whipping ours is both rude and derogatory. Bengals fans shouldn’t be on your teams site doing it and you shouldn’t be on this one. Leave it for the classless Steeler fans.
by GrizzlyRider on Sep 17, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
But, to come on to this website and make bold predictions (even if they come true) about your team whipping ours is both rude and derogatory.
I never thought of it like that. I suppose you’re right. I should have toned down my prediction a bit… even though everything in my football side of the brain is screaming otherwise. I’m sorry if my prediction (even if accurate) is rude or derogatory.
I’m also extremely jealous because I have never figured out how to do the whole, lets be generous, “pale orange” paste it block thing.
Somebody want to explain that color choice to me? My God man this is a football site and we’re using “pale orange” for the whole paste it block thing.
by GrizzlyRider on Sep 17, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Hit the blue Quotation Mark and past what ever you want to be quoted in between > and this <
by JamesShively on Sep 17, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Just hit the quote (") button above the message box, and then put the quoted text inside the blockquote tags.
And, despite his apparent epiphany, BAL_Hawk will most likely be back to his Raven proselytizing tomorrow… he seems very intent on foisting his opinions on us.
I’m of the mindset that as long as someone is being logical and reasonable, they should be free to argue any point they wish. If they’re logical, their point will be understandable. If they’re reasonable, they will be able to see errors in their logic when pointed out.
I may seem like a homer, but I am interested in everyone’s points of view and am open to logic and reasoning.
But the point you keep missing is that this is a site for Bengals fans. Ravens fans have their very own site. Once in a while it is nice to get another team’s fans’ perspective, such as in Bruce’s post. Particularly when we’re playing your team. But not comment-after-comment-after-comment-after-comment on seemingly EVERY post on the site, every week. And ESPECIALLY not in the middle of a very bad game when we’re already on edge.
Plus, and maybe this is just me, but you always seem to have a taunting undertone. I’d rather deal with a blatant shit-talker than someone who’s going to post things like, “Gee, I really didn’t expect you to suck so bad.”
Numerous people have replied to your comments asking you to leave us be, and you don’t have the courtesy to listen. It shows that, despite your statements to the contrary, you really aren’t showing respect for our community. And it is very, very annoying.
SBN is all about the interaction of fans from different teams.
That’s why I comment on various blogs… to get perspective from different fans. That’s why SBN exists and that’s why I joined. You have no more right to comment here than I do. Get over it.
Oh?
I just looked at your profile. This week you’ve posted 25 comments on Baltimore Beatdown, 41 here on Cincy Jungle, and a measly 8 on the Jets blog (you know, the team you actually played last week). Those “various blogs” you post on don’t seem to be very varied… could you at least go harrass some Steelers fans for awhile?
You’re pretty smart for discovering that I like to chat with fans of the teams that the Ravens are playing. When we play those other teams, I’ll probably comment about football at their blogs.
I don’t need to give an account of my comments to you. I’ll comment where I want.
And this is what I was talking about
being respectful to us. You are not. We’ve asked you to leave, several of us, several times and you won’t. Stop being a douche and leave. Your purpose is to dig under our skin, not talk football. Just leave we don’t want to hear anymore crap about your football knowledge, b/c we don’t give a shit.
I don’t know how I can be any more respectful to people who are being so rude and disrespectful. I’ve told you guys several times that I have every right to be here. I haven’t said anything rude and have only made logical, reasonable football arguments. You guys just don’t like me because I’m a Ravens fan. Get over it.
You do have the right to be here
but if people don’t want you here don’t you think you should be the bigger man and leave when most people here ask you to. This goes to show that all you want to do is antagonize people over here. You keep posting and people keep telling you to leave. You could go over to another site for a while, if you want to keep antagonizing people. We have had enough. You have more post than our own bloggers put together.
BTW, I could care less that your a Ravens fan. Your just annoying like the kid in elementry school that people just wanted to beat up.
OMG Here I find myself in a very strange position
BAL_hawk is right he does have the right to be here and as long as he talks football with out all of the name calling I don’t think we should tell him to leave. He hasn’t called us the Bungles or attacked us personally. No, he isn’t respectful and his posts do border on smack but, hey he is a Ravens fan, we usually just get over the top smack from them.
The risk they take in coming here is that when they make what we might consider outlandish claims is that there will be a game tomorrow.
This year, to this point, we suck. Simple as that. Did we just have a bad game, maybe. Will we rebound? I hope so and I think we will. This is a new year and I find it difficult to tout our team when the only evidence regarding our team so far is negative. Honestly, I don’t know who will win tomorrow because, I don’t think either team has shown their true colors yet. The Ravens would probably have lost the game IMO if Sanchez didn’t look so JTOesque. The Jets are not a strong offensive team. The big thing I took from the Bengals game is that we are better than we played last week and it might prove to be the slap in the face we needed to wake us up.
The Ravens won – the score does not matter. We lost. They have earned the right to cackle and we have little choice but to just suck it until we do something worth cheering for. If we win tomorrow we will see BAL_Hawks true character. Will he make excuses or blame the refs – or – will he come back and say good win. If we lose will he come back and rub salt into our wounds.
As a Ravens fan I will take BAL_Hawk over almost all other Ravens fans who have prove themselves to be low class mouth breathers. I lumped him in with the others and maybe I was wrong – then again maybe I was right. I will only tell BAL_Hawk this. When we beat the Ravens last year I went to their board and told the “good game”. I did not rub salt in their wounds. He can look it up. I call that behaving with class, something I strive for but all too often fall short of – but I am not a perfect person I fall short sometimes.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
If we win tomorrow we will see BAL_Hawks true character. Will he make excuses or blame the refs – or – will he come back and say good win. If we lose will he come back and rub salt into our wounds.
Thanks, John. We only have a few more hours to gametime, but I’ll be happy to take my lumps if the Ravens lose today… as I’ve said several times in this post.
As a Ravens fan I will take BAL_Hawk over almost all other Ravens fans who have prove themselves to be low class mouth breathers. I lumped him in with the others and maybe I was wrong – then again maybe I was right. I will only tell BAL_Hawk this. When we beat the Ravens last year I went to their board and told the "good game". I did not rub salt in their wounds. He can look it up. I call that behaving with class, something I strive for but all too often fall short of – but I am not a perfect person I fall short sometimes.
That’s true, and I have much more respect for you than the other members here who have basically said, “get lost, ratbird” from the beginning. My only issue with you has been how you pass judgement on all Ravens fans based on a few that you’ve chatted with on these blogs. I hope this post shows you that Bengals fans (and any person really) can be as irrational and rude as the Ravens fans you’ve mixed up with. That’s the problem with the internet… Anonymity with a large audience causes people to say things they’d never say to someone’s face, and I believe all people are susceptible… not just Ravens fans.
bal-hawk
you have said that the ravens will win because they are good, angry , better etc. etc. . You really haven’t looked at match ups and that the game is played on the field , not in your mind.
Your Raven babble is lame, if your team win s you will come on here and say i told you so. when the ravens lose you obviously be locked in some mental ward, where you’ll be babbling to your self, impossible, we lost team a team who whipps are azz regularly . Enjoy your delusipons of grandur
ou have said that the ravens will win because they are good, angry , better etc. etc. . You really haven’t looked at match ups and that the game is played on the field , not in your mind.
What about this…
The Ravens will control the Bengals at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. The Bengals ran on the Ravens last season. One of the games last season was without Ngata, and after what I saw from the Bengals in preseason and last week, I don’t see how they can run on the Ravens, who stopped the Jets running game stone-cold last week.
or this…
Not having any success running the ball will be a killer blow to the Bengals. Last season, the Bengals’ running game carried them to success and allowed Palmer to work with nine in the box and use play action. This year, the Ravens secondary, although not the strength of the team, is playing well enough to allow their elite front seven to dominate. Chad and the others will probably make some catches, but like the game last week, their numbers will be bloated from a losing effort.
or this…
The Ravens’ offense should have a great game versus the Bengals. Anyone who watched the entire Jets game can tell you that the Ravens moved the ball well versus the best defense in the league. At times, the Ravens were moving the ball at will versus the Jets. I believe that the Bengals are going to have a very hard time stopping the Ravens on offense.
Last time I checked, that’s talking about “the game is played on the field.” Those quotes are from my first comment. You are the one not talking about football. Also… If I’m wrong, I’ll be happy to take my lumps just like I said last week. I consider myself a good sport, and all of these predictions and “babble” is in good fun.
OK
But who is going to explain the whole “pale orange” thing. Or do I just need to adjust the color on my monitor.
by GrizzlyRider on Sep 17, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You cant talk football with a bunghole fan.
They are without a doubt the most delusional, irrational fans in the country. None of them can form a complete thought.
by Let's be Realistic here! on Sep 18, 2010 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions
well
it only gets like this on here when baltimore parks the special bus in these forums. like 4-5 of you all that loves to spam garbage on this forum. go look at your ratbird forum, you see jungle fans in their doing that?
we don’t. we go there and we show respect.
steelers fans are only ones i see running their mouths on your forums.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Actually, there have been plenty of visitors from this blog at the Beatdown, and we have had some great conversations with them. It all started by respecting their opinion and not immediately chasing and insulting them off the blog.
You should give it a try.
i've been there before this post
actually have double figure posts there, i only stop posting on a thread there when someone acts up.
as for here, its usually the same 3-5 guys acting up. after a certain point you start ignoring those too. try to give em the benefit of the doubt, hoping they will settle down, get over their excitement, and stay focused on football.
when they don’t, you have to move on from their posts as well.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Alright, let's break it down.
>would have been considered close if the Bengals had won.
So. You’re saying that because the Bengals didn’t win, they don’t have a chance, but if they did, they had a slight chance? Yeh, homer. I get it, it’s cool, you’re a fan, we all wear shades tinted in the color of our team, but unless the Bengals have critical injuries, you know that defense is capable of playing at the level it did last year and that offense has gotten better as evidenced by the end of last week’s game.
>who stopped the Jets running game stone-cold last week.
Pretty damn easy to do since Sanchez can’t throw. One-dimensional offenses are pretty easy to beat when you can stack a safety in the box, let’s see them try to do that when Carson goes three-wide with Gresham down the middle?
>at times, the Ravens were moving the ball at will
aka at the end of the game when even the bests of defenses get tired. let’s see flacco try to treat Hall and Jones like Cromartie and Wilson. Last I recall, Rice didn’t have that much success last weekend either.
The Ravens were embarrassed after losing two games to the Bengals last season. They’re going to be playing this game angry, with reckless abandon and with something to prove. I really don’t think the Bengals know what they’re in for.
They’re also coming off a shortened week with little rest because they have to prepare for this Sunday’s game. Throw in the Bengals being embarrassed and ashamed by last week’s performance and they’re going to be playing just as emotional, if not moreso.
Bengals can win this. In fact, given Carson’s success against this team, they probably will, considering his arch-nemesis Ed Reed is prowling the sidelines, wringing his hands while groaning an evil groan and cursing Gooddell’s name because he won’t let Reed play.
So. You’re saying that because the Bengals didn’t win, they don’t have a chance, but if they did, they had a slight chance?
I’m basing my opinions, analysis and prediction on the only thing that we have to go by. Last week’s game. Obviously, we can assume that the Bengals can improve from week to week, but so can the Ravens… so that’s a wash. Right now, the Ravens must logically have the edge based on the performances of last week. Anything else is, well, being a homer.
Pretty damn easy to do since Sanchez can’t throw. One-dimensional offenses are pretty easy to beat when you can stack a safety in the box, let’s see them try to do that when Carson goes three-wide with Gresham down the middle?
How did they lead the league in rushing last season? Sanchez was rarely passing then too. Give the Ravens a little credit.
aka at the end of the game when even the bests of defenses get tired. let’s see flacco try to treat Hall and Jones like Cromartie and Wilson. Last I recall, Rice didn’t have that much success last weekend either.
Fatigue is part of the game, and offenses game-plan it. That’s why football games are played for 60 minutes, and every minute counts. The Ravens pounded on the Jets defense for 60 minutes, and they caved (even though their only TD was scored before the half).
They’re also coming off a shortened week with little rest because they have to prepare for this Sunday’s game. Throw in the Bengals being embarrassed and ashamed by last week’s performance and they’re going to be playing just as emotional, if not moreso.
That’s true. I’ll admit that it’s my opinion that the Ravens’ will play on-fire and angry. This is based on watching their games for 15 years.
Bengals can win this.
Of course they can, that’s football.
Carson
is 8-3 against the Ravens. He owns you. The only guy who has given him fits on the Ravens over the years is Ed Reed. Where’s he again? Bengals 23, Ravens 17. Book it, ’gloid.
by Anthony Cosenza on Sep 17, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
first
learn the difference between, subjective and objective.
they speak english in the schools of baltimore?
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
subjective: placing excessive emphasis on one’s own moods, attitudes, opinions, etc.; unduly egocentric.
objective: not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
I could Google that too. I don’t need definitions. I was talking about an example of where I was subjective while talking football.
"I don’t see how any objective football fan can pick Cincinnati in this game."
you need this broke down, how your first 14 words created this whole thread…
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
I broke it down in the very next paragraph…
After the impressive performance by the Ravens last week and the unbelievably bad performance by the Bengals, it’s hard to believe that anyone would side with the Bengals in contest the would have been considered close if the Bengals had won.
Furthermore, I spent the rest of that comment giving football arguments behind my thinking, but no on wanted to talk about those. All I got in return were insults and “get out of here, ratbird” comments.
an opening statement can close the door to anything that follows after it
you told anyone that read your post in your first sentence that you knew what they were talking about, they didn’t, forget the facts, i’m right.
and you are surprised that few people here read anything passed those 1st 14 words?
and your second sentence-paragraph reveals you didn’t even watch the bengals game last week. you just saw the highlights on the news or sportscenter. the end of the 2nd sentence is just as biased as the 30 or so words that come before it. you’re saying even if the bengals beat the pats last week you can’t comprehend how anyone (not just bengals fans) would pick them in week 2 over the ravens.
so your message is, we sucked last week and even if we had won, anyone with sense will still pick the ravens this week. and bengals fans are close minded and biased.
this is your opening 30-40 words? your olive soaked unbiased, thought out post that bengals fans attacked?
really started to wonder if i’m not wasting my breath here. trying to help you work through how this all went wrong for you. and how the issues that came in the thread that followed might have blown up for you.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
an opening statement can close the door to anything that follows after it
you told anyone that read your post in your first sentence that you knew what they were talking about, they didn’t, forget the facts, i’m right.
and you are surprised that few people here read anything passed those 1st 14 words?
Anyone who is going to criticize comments, particularly logic and reasoning, has no excuse for not completely reading the comments in question. If you don’t want to read every word, you have no business being critical. That’s the standard I hold myself to as well. Anything less is pure ignorance.
and your second sentence-paragraph reveals you didn’t even watch the bengals game last week. you just saw the highlights on the news or sportscenter. the end of the 2nd sentence is just as biased as the 30 or so words that come before it. you’re saying even if the bengals beat the pats last week you can’t comprehend how anyone (not just bengals fans) would pick them in week 2 over the ravens.
I watched the entire game, every snap. That’s what I’m basing everything I’ve argued on. As for the second part, I’m basically saying that even if the Bengals hadn’t played poorly in week one… even if they’d beaten the Pats, the game would have still been considered too close to call by most people. Therefore, a horrid performance by the Bengals and a great performance by the Ravens must give the edge to the Ravens… if one is being objective.
so your message is, we sucked last week and even if we had won, anyone with sense will still pick the ravens this week. and bengals fans are close minded and biased.
I suppose that’s how you’d interpret it if you’ve only read the first 14 words.
a horrid performance by the Bengals
so you watched the game an know palmer did more than brady.
and moss was so smothered he went to the after game party and blew up on the reporters.
and chad had 2.5x the receptions and yards moss did.
so not to have a horrible game, palmer needed 500+ yards and chad 250+ yards?
you really are making me roll my eyes too much here. i’m about to give into your absurdity. whatever you write is right, everyone else here is wrong, happy?
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Those statistics are virtually useless because the Bengals were throwing the ball every down because they were behind. Anyone with the slightest football knowledge can tell you that the fasted way for a QB to rack up statistics is for his team to be trying to come back from a huge lead where the opposing defense is simply trying to keep the clock moving and avoid injuries.
Peyton Manning had career numbers in a losing effort versus the Texans. Now, do you really think that Manning is going to look over his whole career and say that game (a loss) was his best? Of course not.
That’s basically what happened in the Bengals game. It was clear that the Patriots let off the gas and were simply trying to keep the clock moving. They had a four-score lead. Any team would have done the same thing. I guarantee you that Palmer and Ochocinco aren’t proud of their performances.
Billy Billacheat never lets off the gas
It’s a known fact that they always try and put up as many points as possible. Yes they were trying to keep the clock moving but they were still trying to put points up and stop our offense. But like palewook said, your right all the time and everybody here is wrong. For now on my reply to you is going to be “your right, everybody is wrong”
And yet one of your arguments earlier was that the game was played for sixty minutes.
by GrizzlyRider on Sep 18, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on… Do I really need to spell everything out for you?
These are basic football principles. You’re acting like I’m speaking another language.
No, you don't and I doubt your capable of it.
Lets just take all your arguments in general.
You come on here and the first words you typed smelled of smack talk. Then you try to justify it by your opinions on last weeks game. Let me repeat that – your opinions. Remember typing how “impressive” the Ravens were and how “unbelievably bad” the Bengals were. Doesn’t that smell of smack to you. Although I don’t think you’ll find a Bengal fan on here that won’t say they looked like crap in the first half last week; I think you’ll be just as hard pressed to find anyone saying the Ravens looked impressive.
Everything you’ve said so far has been tainted by your being a Ravens fan. Look at your excuses for last years defeats. Well we didn’t have so-n-so for one of those games and so-n-so was injured. And yet we still won BOTH, so weren’t they in one of those games. And Gee I’m so glad we had no injuries last year that we can use as excuses for our losses.
Now lets look at your “analysis” of last weeks games. Better yet, lets not since, as said before, everything you typed is tainted. Let me give you a different interpretation of last weeks games and then you can prove me wrong by your factual evidence in LAST weeks games since you seem to be such the football guru.
Here we go:
The Jets suck and the fact that the Ravens barely beat them means the Ravens suck almost as bad.
The Patriots have put together quite possibly the greatest team in football history and the Bengals showed true grit and championship caliber to take advantage of what few mistakes the Patriots made.
Now use your opinions, analysis and factual information of last weeks games to prove that screwed up interpretation wrong.
by GrizzlyRider on Sep 18, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
Last season, the Bengals’ running game carried them to success and allowed Palmer to work with nine in the box and use play action.
Your arguing that the Bengals had an effective Play-Action when Carson Palmer had a broken thumb and had to hand the ball off with the opposite hand. I can’t even speak logically with you because your irrational.
After the impressive performance by the Ravens last week
You called that impressive? Squeeking out a win against the most overhyped team in the league? I’d be surprised if the Jets make the playoffs.
This is our year!
by Paul Cannon on Sep 18, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I call that impressive.
So… Since the Jets barely lost (your logic) to the Ravens and will still probably not make the playoffs (your logic), where does that leave a team like the Bengals, who just laid a huge egg against a team that lost in the first round of the playoffs last season?
The Ravens won by one point.
The only impressive thing that they did was not pick off Sanchez – You know…that guy who threw 20 interceptions last year. Oh yeah, and the 49 total rushing yards they picked up – very impressive.
This is our year!
and
Where did I say
Ravens and will still probably not make the playoffs (your logic),
How is it my logic if you’re the one who said it?
This is our year!
I wouldnt be surpise if the jets made the play offs.the offense might not be really good but there quarterback
should get better as time goes by and besides they did manage to beat your team twice last year,so the jets have to be goods in some way
I guess I can't argue with that.
I guess I don’t see how they improved this offseason. Their win vs. the Pats was impressive though.
This is our year!
Short week.
Well if you knew anything you would know that playing an emotionally draining game on Monday Night then having a short week to prepare and traveling to a hostile environment is not easy at all. The Ravens will have their work cut out for them. You are playing a different team than what they played in the Jets, and we are not playing the Pats. All week one stats mean nothing. We shall see in due time, but to say we are not being objective is pure lunacy
The bottom line is
If we win Ravne fans will say we were lucky and the refs caused them to lose. If they win it will be considered total domination even if it is by s single point. Don’t get me wrong, Bruce and a few others from the Ravens board are good visitors and frankly BAL_Hawk has been mellow for a Ravnes fan but generally speaking they are just interested in generating smack.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
frankly BAL_Hawk has been mellow for a Ravnes fan
Thanks, John. I have a great deal of respect for you after discover that you’re a combat veteran. Thanks for serving in that way!
Give Jackma, a Ravens fan on your board a shout out
He and I have been corresponding and I have done my best to advise him as he hopes to join up with my old unit in the Airborne Rangers. He recently enlisted and deserves to be honored for the commitment he just made to be of service to us all. I know he will be in my prayers.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
I guess random and pointless comments `
are better than Ravens fans too angry that even Bengals fans won’t get on the ground and kiss their feet.
Wouldn't that be...
Joe Flacco and his unkindness of Ravens?
Or murder, alternatively.
I can't wait to see what he says
when Palmer makes Flacco look like a JV quarterback.
by Throw the ball on Sep 17, 2010 10:32 PM EDT reply actions
at least they dont blame jesus
“we’d have won but jesus made me fumble the ball”
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Rule changes
Amazing how many changes there are after Baltimore teams play. Field goal posts are now taller, field goals are now reviewable, Brady and Manning can’t cry wolf anymore. But I think what they used to do will now be referred to as a Jeter.
dear bal hawk
you make some fine points but every week is different and things carry over some times and sometimes they don’t. sometimes the first game of the season foreshadows the season and then again sometimes it doesn’t.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Sep 17, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions
Good point. I’d like to hear your opinion about which things will carry over and which things won’t.
I'm pretty sure
the Ravens won’t carry over a win into week 2 :)
by Throw the ball on Sep 18, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
i wish i knew.
an interception or fumble. a bad call. a specials team blunder or gift. here or there and a game changes. somebody becomes omnipotent and somebody becomes hapless.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Sep 19, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's be realistic here!
You claimed to have come here to talk football but all you have done is come here and talk trash and participate in elementary name calling. You are the WORST type of fan there is (and there are fans like you of every team). At least Bruce Raffel, and usually BAL_Hawk (although tonight he didn’t start as such) and there is another that comes over here often also but I can’t remember his name, bring actual facts and objective statements. You are just like Punt and TheShadow… just here to talk shit and call us “bunghole fans”. If you come here like Bruce, BAL_Hawk, and the other guy, you will get objective comments in return. You come in here they way you did and you will just get ridiculed for your immature ranting. So mister “I don’t back down” if you want to talk FOOTBALL, then we will oblige. If you just want to throw derogatory comments that have nothing to do with the actual game of football and call us elementary names, then go somewhere else because we have no use for you.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Sep 18, 2010 5:44 AM EDT reply actions
Look at Diesel2405 or WHYUS!!
When someone who wasn’t a Bengals fan posted these two would call everyone stupid or even worse. I have never called anyone names or made fun of your team name. You have to treat people like you want to be treated.
I don't go trolling
to start a bunch of shit like you do. This is our site and you purposely come here to agitate us. To me, that’s trolling.
and calling someone out by name
thats trolling.
would be like if i made a post with the title/content:
“Look at The Shadow:
He likes to troll."
you can understand how that might be an issue?
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
i did
and you picked someone out of the air that wasn’t in the thread, and cited them as a problem by name.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
LOL hypocrite
Practicing the Golden rule is much more effective than preaching it!!!!!! You wouldn’t want to be subjected to this at the Ravens site, so don’t do it at the Bengals site. That’s logical and follows the golden rule.
one bad game and every one thinks our season doomed
the defence will recovery though the of rivers will hurt
palmer has owned the ravens and now he has a te too help out
and we will pop 1or 2 long returns
bengas 24 ravens 17
can we plz let CARSON have control of offence
start 3 wide no huddle and let carson have his way start throwing and put up some points and pound it later and let the defence take over
we have too start early for once and let our defence play with a lead would be nice
Can this game just start already?
Really want to get the taste of last week out of my mouth.
I can agree with this
6 days between games was too many, I can’t imagine what 7 will be like.
"Give us 10 points and the game is over...And they didn't score on us. Make sure you quote that. They didn't score on our defense."
"Ray Lewis has lost a step? I don't think so, Ray Lewis is still the best linebacker in football."-JH
by organizedchaos52 on Sep 18, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions

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