Post Game Bengals Win! Open Thread: Baltimore Ravens 10 (1-1) at Cincinnati Bengals 15 (1-1)
by jsl413 on Sep 19, 2010 4:29 PM EDT
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PrintThe Bengals win! Carson Palmer is really awesome at winning games against Baltimore when he starts at quarterback for the Bengals. Today - credit goes to the defense. Four interceptions and consistent pressure on Joe Flacco really won this game. The last two times the Ravens had a chance to win the game, the Bengals got pressure to Flacco that resulted in intereceptions.
On key statistical metrics, the Bengals were roughly equal with the Ravens. Both teams had 14 first downs and converted very few third downs (4/15 for Baltimore and 3/18 for Cincinnati). Cedric Benson had 23 carries, adding to the statistical evidence that handing the Predator the ball wins ballgames. You're not allowed to take away big plays, but if you did, the Bengals gave up 124 passing yards on 16/38 passing. For most of the game, Joe Flacco was awful. Ray Rice, too, has stats that look better than he played today. Take away his big run that led to a Baltimore FG, which counts in real life, he had 15 carries for 57 yards, which is pretty pedestrian. The Bengals defense was awesome for most of the day.
Penalties reared their head after a relatively clean week in the loss to the Patriots last week. Palmer's accuracy continues to create questions. Dropped balls are a concern. The combination of Palmer's perhaps not-great accuracy and drops led to 11 targets at Terrell Owens leading to just 3 receptions. Chad Ochocinco was targeted 9 times and had 3 catches and at least two drops.
In the trenches, the Bengals had 8 QB hits and a lot more hurries than that. 9 passes defensed and 4 interceptions are further evidence of consistent pressure. The only Bengals sack was a .5/.5 effort from Geno Atkins and Michael Johnson. The Ravens logged 7 QB hits and a sack with 2 TFL, largely resultant of the offensive line disintegrating in the second half.
But hey, a win is a win! Mike Nugent is perfect this year, and was 5/5 today including a 46 yard try. Kevin Huber struggled punting the ball, but Bernard Scott, who returned the only kickoff of the day for the Bengals, broke a 60-yard game changer.
Game ball? Defense! The line, really. Flacco never got comfortable (besides one drive) and made a lot of bad mistakes. Honorable mention to Terrell Owens, who put forth some great individual efforts after the catch this afternoon. Also to Mike Nugent, who didn't go Graham on us.
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Agreed. Apparently he didn’t have time to plan a game plan for the past two weeks. Imagine how explosive we could be if we actually used our outstanding receivers.
by Todd Prickett on Sep 19, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I will give him only this much credit. He’s still afraid our OL can’t hold up. And he’s probably part right, they stank up the join today.
But on the other hand, you have to try. He who will not risk cannot win. We took just enough risks to squeak out the win. But against a better team with a better offense or better quarterback, that amount of minimal risk won’t get the job done.
Of course, when you risk you also have to execute. But first you have to be willing to even try.
On the flip side
I thought that we took some shots down the field, and just missed. Carson had some bad throws, and there were some drops as well. I really don’t blame Brat entirely for this one.
This is our year!
Most of the time the plays that didn't work too well, like the short passes on 2nd and 1
was at the wrong time or on the wrong down. That right there is Brats fault. There were a lot of bone-head play calls. Carson did have some bad throws though, along with a couple of drops by some WRsssss.
Not only
did he come through on all his FGA, the last two times he kicked off went into the end zone. You rarely saw Graham do that.
After what we went through with Graham
This guy can have the key to the city.
by BonnieBengal on Sep 19, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
wonder if anyone in baltimore
will want his autograph this week
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
cmon now Matlock...
Where’s your logic and reasoning now?…..
by quickslant on Sep 19, 2010 4:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
+1
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by TennBengalfan on Sep 19, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Carson sucked today
But Flacco sucked 10 times more
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 19, 2010 4:42 PM EDT reply actions
I think he was poor. Not sucked. And he got VERY little help from his OL. Not that that’s an excuse. Just a partial explanation.
Yeh, I can think of two distinct touchdown throws that were just bad passes.
Andre the Fat Guy needs to pick it up.
wide open pass to Ocho in endzone?
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by TennBengalfan on Sep 19, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That “wide open pass” was on an all out blitz. Carson was backed up at least 10 yards out of the pocket AND that wasn’t the intended route, Ocho just kind of improvised. All things considered, the fact that Palmer even got it in close is very impressive.
Not at all
Chad reversed direction – Palmer threw to a running Chad – Chad slowed down like he thought Palmer was going to throw it directly at him. Neither ones fault, just a miscommunication.
by GrizzlyRider on Sep 19, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly don't remember which was which
But the one that he over threw to TO that went out of the back of the endzone was bad and the one that bounced off of his helmet was a little short. (I personally don’t think Palmer has ever been very good at throwing the streak pass) In the other over throw to TO at the end zone , it seemed to me in the replay that TO let off of his route just as he muscled past his defender.
by GrizzlyRider on Sep 19, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
carson has no lateral movement left in his body
May God have mercy on his legs…
Can't argue that
He didn’t have very much to begin with
by GrizzlyRider on Sep 19, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
well they should
(a) Stop with the gimmicky lineups and just play Fat Albert and let him either learn or get benched for good
(b) Design some plays to get Carson out of the pocket, and use screen passes and things that other teams routinely do when their line can’t do a straight-up pass protection.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 19, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know that the same formula will work this year
Tougher schedule and all, and the fact that we probably won’t sweep the conference.
We all thought we’d be playing better ball then we are. Hopefully the team will get it together. If the O continues to struggle, there are only two places to look…..QB and line.
More specifically the line.
Palmer can produce, I’m not worried about him, it’s that line that worries me.
Granted, the Ravens have Haloti Ngata, so that was one of the better passrushing teams we were going to face all season, but that still has me a bit worried for when we face the Steelers.
Didn't really run
the ball successfully today, unlike last year in the division
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 19, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Benson didn't run that much against the Ravens last year.
But I’m more reminded of the second win against the Steelers last year than any game against the Ravens. Still, here’s hoping that the offense comes together a bit more, especially that OLine. Palmer can deliver when he has time but that OLine needs to give him it.
I really think they have to stop it with all the gimmicks
just pick the top five and go with it. Part of the reason OLs end up doing well is they play together and gel as a unit. This unit has tons of penalties and I think part of it is all the gimmicks. Play five linemen and one or two tight ends, but not Roland as a tight end since he’s not one.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 19, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
DUDE YOU ARE SO IGNORANT…BENSON HAD 2 100YARD RUSHING GAMES AGAINST THE RAVENS LAST YEAR…GET YOUR HEAD OUTTA YOUR….
Lighten up
He already admitted that he was misinformed
by GrizzlyRider on Sep 19, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, Flacco is doing a good impression
of Kyle Boller a lot of the time but Balt fans think he’s going to be something.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 19, 2010 4:44 PM EDT reply actions
We all agreed that
he was about as good as Boller today.
"Give us 10 points and the game is over...And they didn't score on us. Make sure you quote that. They didn't score on our defense."
"Ray Lewis has lost a step? I don't think so, Ray Lewis is still the best linebacker in football."-JH
by organizedchaos52 on Sep 19, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Looked a lot like JTO to me.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
+1
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by TennBengalfan on Sep 19, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
+2
I love that him and MJ got in on that sack together. They should be a big part of the future of this team.
This is our year!
Next up the Carolina Panthers
who will probably be starting the rookie Clausen. Assuming J-Jo and Jones are healthy, they should feast on him.
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
what's up with JJo and AJones?
I missed that part
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 19, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Jones Shoulder
not sure on Jon Jo he came out on a weird fall
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by TennBengalfan on Sep 19, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I just looked like he tweeked an ankle though
That’s not a confirmed report, just my impression by how he limped off the field.
This is our year!
Moore was benched...he may get the start
I doubt it will matter who starts for them
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
NUUUUUUGGGGE!!!!!
For all of those doubters during pre-season, I think we’ve got ourselves a kicker we can rely on. Also -— agree with the other poster about Nuge’s kickoffs for touchbacks in the 2nd half -—- critical to their success.
Great job by defense and all the way around.
Yeh
Getting the touchbacks to help our rather bad kick coverage helped a lot, it forced Flacco to throw more, which ended in more interceptions.
Let's hope he keeps it up
Shank Graham won’t be missed that’s for sure!!
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 19, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
shayne who?
note the tagline from a year ago.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
I'm getting the feeling that Brandon Johnson is
our best outside linebacker. he needs to be playing. Find the room.
I agree
We are better with Brandon Johnson in.
by BonnieBengal on Sep 19, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
True
Move Rey to the Middle and Dhani to the bench. (Which hurts me to say because I’m a Dhani fan)
This is our year!
After getting rocked
on a thug play by a Jet safety (clubbed him the helmet on an overthrow).
"Give us 10 points and the game is over...And they didn't score on us. Make sure you quote that. They didn't score on our defense."
"Ray Lewis has lost a step? I don't think so, Ray Lewis is still the best linebacker in football."-JH
by organizedchaos52 on Sep 19, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
BScott forever…Joe flaaco never….I talk to ya later
by quickslant on Sep 19, 2010 4:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Picking up LT was a stupid move on the Jets part
Shonn Greene is a better player.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 19, 2010 5:00 PM EDT reply actions
it's one game though
LT is done, stick a fork in him.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 19, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
jjoe has a histroy with foot problems
www.fantasydaddy.com
by Joe Goodberry on Sep 19, 2010 5:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Caw! Caw! Bang! ****, I'm dead!
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
by palewook on Sep 19, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
once Garrard starts turning it over
he’s lost whatever value he used to have
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 19, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Congrats on a huge win.
It wasn’t pretty, but you guys deserved it a lot more than we did. I’m not really looking forward to our 2nd meeting either. Maybe Joe will figure something out by then.
"Give us 10 points and the game is over...And they didn't score on us. Make sure you quote that. They didn't score on our defense."
"Ray Lewis has lost a step? I don't think so, Ray Lewis is still the best linebacker in football."-JH
by organizedchaos52 on Sep 19, 2010 5:13 PM EDT reply actions
During that comeback after the half..
I started to think he’d figured it out then. Great effort by your team though. I wouldn’t have wanted TJ’s homecoming to look any different lol See ya next time
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
That first drive gave me hope
which Flacco promptly dashed.
"Give us 10 points and the game is over...And they didn't score on us. Make sure you quote that. They didn't score on our defense."
"Ray Lewis has lost a step? I don't think so, Ray Lewis is still the best linebacker in football."-JH
by organizedchaos52 on Sep 19, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks....I think you guys will be o.k.
just beat the hell outta the steelers
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
We'll worry about beating the Browns first.
"Give us 10 points and the game is over...And they didn't score on us. Make sure you quote that. They didn't score on our defense."
"Ray Lewis has lost a step? I don't think so, Ray Lewis is still the best linebacker in football."-JH
by organizedchaos52 on Sep 19, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks chaos. I don't feel like we won it as much as Flacco lost it for you.
He seems to have trouble under pressure, but Carson missed at least 3 open receivers as well.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Flacco's worst game in a Raven jersey.
No doubt.
"Give us 10 points and the game is over...And they didn't score on us. Make sure you quote that. They didn't score on our defense."
"Ray Lewis has lost a step? I don't think so, Ray Lewis is still the best linebacker in football."-JH
by organizedchaos52 on Sep 19, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
What's up with Haynesworth?
dude’s inactive today
Skins want a second round pick. I’d low ball that a bit. Isn’t Mike Brown “the redeemer”? LOL
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 19, 2010 5:15 PM EDT reply actions
Pick him up cincy!!!
we love giving loud-mouthed troublesome thugs a second chance to “earn their stripes”..
and hey who knows? maybe andre will take notice and not be so damn lazy
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
they'd never aford him
I'm not addicted to cocaine, I just like the smell of it - Richard Pryor
by Howie Feltersnatch on Sep 19, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
bal_hawk is probably on hold with the suicide hotline
dude talked so much smack. everything from how clueless and rude bengals fans were to how much the bengals sucked.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Good game
It was ugly as hell all the way around and it’s pretty clear that both teams have a lot of work to do if we are going to contend for the Super Bowl.
I would like a guy with haynesworth's talent - just not Haynesworth.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
I think it's worth the risk
Gimmicky is what it will take for the Bengals to win the Super Bowl. The dude could decide to play for a year, give you 12 or 15 sacks, and with that two extra wins
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 19, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I am probably in the minority
When I say that I probably enjoy watching a game like this more than a 49-42 shootout with no palpable defense.
lol
and this is shocking =p poor jags, they really have no depth at db
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
i had to post on the jags gameday thread
not sure how long they will leave it up =)
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
What has Nelson done?
Seriously, I haven’t noticed him but I think he’s been active for both games so he must be getting a few snaps here and there.
zimmer put training wheels on nelson
he wont even see game time on special teams until those come off. not sure how long it will take to unscrew his head. he might not play at all this season.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Is it me, or iz Carson starting to stink!
Tom Brady never looked that ineffective.
sometimes you can put a qb in a system that doesnt work for him
and sometimes, see klinger, a break down in a system, like the o-line, can scar a qb for life.
what’s wrong with palmer at this point, is anyone’s guess. he has enough talent around him to make completions. was the o-line iffy today, yes. were some of the offensive calls, suspect? yes. were some of the throws, terrible, yes.
does balt have a solid defense? yes.
let’s see how palmer looks for a few more weeks before we write his season off.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Since I think part of that comment was directed at me
I will say I’m sorry for mine. I just get tired of some of the people on here (not necessarily you) pulling out the Palmer stinks banner all the time. Everytime Palmer throws an incompletion regardless of who’s at fault their screaming he sucks.
by GrizzlyRider on Sep 19, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Stink may be a bit strong
however he has not been particularly great. When was last time he threw for 3 TD’s in a game? Folks cant keep blaming it on the line or the receivers.
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
Carson has never been as good as Brady
but a lot of the problem is the craptastic Bengals offensive scheme and very predictable play-calling.
The Bengals just don’t know how to use the weapons they have.
e.g. You’d think a guy like Scott would be deadly as a receiver out of the backfield, cause he’s got moves, but they haven’t managed to design some good plays for him (screens or even RB go patterns — when’s the last time they tried something like that?)
Gresham’s longest catch today? 7 yards. You don’t need a 1st round draft pick for that. When’s the last time they threw a post pattern to the Tight End?
As for Carson, he has in the past shown that he’s okay rolling out, but the Bengals rarely use that.
Almost every NFL team has a better playbook… if the Bengals had Sam Wyche for this team they’d be legitimate contenders. Brat is pathetic.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 19, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
been so long since i seen a TE post pattern in cincy
i forgot what it looks like, you sure that’s still legal in the nfl?…
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Maybe when Rodney Holman retired they
made it illegal?
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 19, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s fine – as long as he continues to only throw those 4 yard pass.
by Todd Prickett on Sep 19, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Z-fense returns
That was much better today,think we only recorded one sack but the front four got good pressure on Flacco today. Dhani Jones who was terrible last week also played very well today. Offensively we stunk a little but you have to credit the Ravens Defense somewhat. The missed pass to Ocho at the Back of the endzone and the underthrow to TO that allowed the Dback to get under him in the endzone would have made this game a little more comfortable. The Penalties were an absolute joke though…just not good enough.
It was hard grinding for Ced today but that 10yd run late in the game was beautifull.
One more moan,why draft a beast like Gresham if your not going to throw him the ball more often down the field,the guy is a physical mismatch for safety’s and a speed mismatch for LB’s?
When's the last season where a Bengals tight end had a 100 yard
day?
Or two hundred yard days?
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 19, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
was gonna say maybe 1990 or something with Rodney
But Im sure Tony McGhee had a couple of 100 yd games in the mid 90’s for us?
Skins gonna win that division
Good coach, good enough QB, plenty of talent.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 19, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Time of possession...
Benson didn’t get much yards, but we drained the clock and kept the ball out of there hands (although Flacco helped us out there as well). I was one of those guys worried about the loss of Graham in the preseason and am quite happy to say I was wrong! I didn’t think accurate kickers was easy to come by, but this guy is fantastic! Ditto on the kick offs, which helped the more improved special teams unit which I bitch and moaned about last week. I’m now wrong on two of three complaints… yippee! I can’t wait until I’m wrong about the O-lines’ pass protection. Who Dey! Nice tough division win!
Nuge was hurt a lot with the other teams.
When the kicker has to tackle a lot, then then there is a chance that he’ll look bad. In college he was Mr. automatic.
i know he was loved at osu
nickname was Mr Automatic.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Why would any OC call for a run betweent the tackles more than once or twice a game vs the Ravens
That is what they want us to do. I think we were minus 6-8 yards on 6-8 attempts – Wasted plays. You gotta make those big nose and defensive tackles run – run – run.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
GET RID OF BRATKOWSKI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MY DEAD GRANDMOTHER CAN CALL PLAYS BETTER THAN HIM
check out the ravens fans on their forums crying about how they have the worse OC in the nfl
guess you could say the grass isn’t always greener. i mean come on, all the ravens had to do to win, run rice more and use more screens
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
The only OC worse than Brat is the Raven’s. Twice now we’ve beat them due mainly to the poor play call of their OC.
by Todd Prickett on Sep 19, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have liked for Marvin to just beat Bratkowski unconscious
at halftime.
Then let Zampese call plays or Carson do it.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 19, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If anybody else is watching.
I’m guessing the Jets just had a really bad week last week. I always have loved watching the Patriots get beat.
pats outplayed their ability last week
a letdown was due. just shocked mark sanchez was able to bring a lose to the pats.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Bring on Carolina!
Glad to see the defense return to form. Would prefered to have seen some TD’s, but a win is a win. Those guys better buy the Nuge dinner or something. I was hoping Ced would break 100 yards, but again…a win is a win. Pretty amazing that no matter where you go you always have to deal with steelers fans…I got surrounded by a bunch of ’em at bdubs (in Shreveport, LA)…but wore my stripes with pride.
"I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." - Mike Tyson
A second later and the games over.
Of course, a rookie trying his first kick from 50+ is a lot different than Rackers, who’s known for his leg.
How about Shipley. He came thru with several nice receptions
I like the way I don’t worry when Carson throws him the ball. He simply catches it and turns up field. IMO he just could be the rookie of the year..
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
he plays in cincy
so its unlikely the writers would give that to him, think the last bengals to win it was greg cook about 40 years ago..
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Just how often do those writer get it right?
Shipley was under utilized today. Carson forced it at times when Shipley was open.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Woods didnt win rookie of the year
while his 1066 yds at 5 yards a pop on a superbowl team were impressive,Im positive John Stephens RB of the New England Patriots won the award that year. Pretty sure Tim Brown of the Raiders was in the running too
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