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Bengals Defense Shutdown Ravens Receiving Weapons

“There’s a lot of talk about Baltimore’s defense. Everybody hypes them up, and they’re great, but I think our defense took that as a personal challenge, and they outplayed them today," Palmer said after he jacked his record against Baltimore to 9-3 despite a 60.1 passer rating. "They had four picks, stuffed the run game, shut down their receivers and took over the game. It was just awesome to see our defense play like that.”

- Carson Palmer.

Palmer is right. For all of the weapons that's been promoted out of Baltimore, and they are good weapons generally, the Bengals shut down Baltimore's key players. T.J. Houshmandzadeh didn't have a reception, even though he was targeted six times. Derrick Mason, often shutdown by the Bengals defense since he joined Baltimore, recorded only one reception (even though that was a 31-yard touchdown reception). However, the best of Baltimore's receiving weapons, Anquan Boldin, had five receptions. Though that was for only 35 yards receiving. Boldin was the team's leading receiver.

Ray Rice had his typical Ray Rice day, picking up 87 yards rushing and 30 yards receiving for 107 yards from scrimmage. Though in the world of time displacement, take away Rice's 30-yard run with nine minutes left in the fourth quarter, Rice is only averaging 3.8 yards/rush.

  Targets Rec Yards Avg. TD
Boldin 8 5 35 7.0 0
Mason 6 1 31 31.0 1
Houshmandzadeh 6 0 0 0 0

Comparatively speaking, the Bengals big three (Chad Ochocinco, Terrell Owens, Jordan Shipley) combined for 12 receptions for 143 yards receiving.

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not much production from the great receiving core that all the national media has been picking for the super bowl.

Jo-Jo, Hall, and Jones. hell, even trent and crocker stepped it up.

TJ HushIGotNoReceptions..

"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl

by palewook on Sep 19, 2010 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

HAH That’s a great nickname.

by FriarBob on Sep 19, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also want to say that

Brat calling a pass on 2nd and 1 is effing absurd. How many times? There were 7 in the box each time.
Fire this SOB already. He’s horrible and I can’t stand it anymore.

by WHYUS!! on Sep 19, 2010 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

i can't point to specific plays, it is the totality, that says he should be fired

inability get over the pre snap jitters for two full seasons. the 3 and outs. too many chip shot field goals. the squandering of talent. score some points by god.

by andyfrombrooklyn on Sep 19, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only reason to try a pass on 2nd and 1 is to try a long bomb. A short pass as a checkdown pass only after the long ball isn’t there is OK too. But a pass of short or intermediate length on 2nd-and-1 on purpose is just flat retarded.

2nd-and-1 is play action city. It’s like a free down to try to go for the big strike. Pity Brat isn’t aware of this.

by FriarBob on Sep 19, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Football Outsiders

showed the Bengals ran more on 2nd and long than any other team (half the time). It doesn’t work… it’s not a “counterintuitive surprise” because the Bengals are quite likely to do it.

You can tell from Carson’s body language and hand gestures — when he’s making audibles and doing a lot of pointing and gesturing… it’s run.

Brat’s playbook is awful. His two ideas of trickery are the reverse (never works) and the shovel pass (sometimes works but only because a certain running back is heroic)

by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 19, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bengals corners did well

He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is

by WarWolf on Sep 19, 2010 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Being at the game today…defense looked really tough & stepped up. I still cannot understand why this offense can’t produce…same offense except this year there is loads of talent on that side of the ball. Bratkowski is the constant…he is killing them…there is no reason this offense shouldn’t score 24-30 points a game…

by Bdub14 on Sep 19, 2010 8:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

there is no reason this offense shouldn’t score 24-30 points a game…

Without Bratkowski? Probably. With him? It’d take a miracle.

by FriarBob on Sep 20, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know what isn't awesome, Carson?

The defense presenting you with opportunity after opportunity and you shitting it away.

Brat doesn’t escape without blame, of course, but here we are looking at a 30 year old Palmer who only has 2 legitimately good seasons under his belt, the last one being 2006. He’s mediocre and many times bad. Watching him manage this offense with the checkdowns, the audibles, the delays of game, and false starts…it’s one of the most pitiful things I’ve seen in the NFL. And like many of you, I sat through Scott Mitchell and Akili Smith. Somehow this is much more embarrassing.

What’s the excuse this year?

And let’s cut the “win is a win” nonsense right now. I remember hearing the same thing last year, and as it turned out, the Bengals looking like garbage on offense really was cause for concern. This AFC North crap is pointless if we can win games outside of the division and in the playoffs.

Thank god for Zimmerman.

by bodacio zk on Sep 19, 2010 9:28 PM EDT reply actions  

correction

can’t win games outside of the division

by bodacio zk on Sep 19, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah, you got me. Don’t think I’ve ever called him that before.

-1

But seriously….Palmerstein sucks.

by bodacio zk on Sep 19, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Palmer doesn't *have* to be Brady or Manning

The Ravens won the Super Bowl with what’s-his-face. The Steelers have won it with nothing from Ben (albeit they got a lot of help from the officials!)

If you have a solid defense and a good offensive scheme that’s sufficient, you don’t need the Hall of Fame QB to win a Super Bowl.

The penalties are not Carson’s fault, that’s on the entire coaching staff and they haven’t fixed it in more than one year! The main deficiency is Bratkowski’s play calling and (lack of) halftime adjustments. The main weakness on offense is the line is pretty shaky, so the coaches need to scheme around it. Bratkowski’s pea-brain can’t do it.

ZIMMER has to deal with the very same weakness — Football Outsiders ranked the Bengals defensive line as one of the worst units in the NFL, but Zimmer uses the good cornerbacks and blitzes to somewhat cover up for that (they get no pass rush without blitzing, and even have a hard time generating one with blitzing)

by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 19, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, the inevitable “The Ravens won it with Trent Dilfer” comment. The league has changed quite a bit since then hasn’t it? Guys like Brady, Manning, and Brees are getting the hardware now. How did a strong defense and no passing game work for us down the stretch last year? The organization was so pleased it drafted a TE in the first round and revamped the entire receiving corps.

Carson does have a hand in the penalties. He looks just as confused up there as anyone else. Enough with the line. He had plenty of time to throw today and missed wide open targets. Does Carson literally have to hand the game to the other team to convince you apologists? The excuses are getting incredibly stale. His performance today is becoming the rule rather than the exception. Anyone actually watch the game today?

by bodacio zk on Sep 19, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey I would love to have a Brady or a Manning!

but the last three guys Mike Brown drafted were Klingler, Akili LoserSmith, and Palmer. Of the three, Palmer wins in a walk.

What I’m saying is there’s nothing you can do about Palmer right now and for the forseeable future. Even if they drafted a guy #1 next year he would likely not be ready (assuming there’s a 2011 season even)

It’s easier to change Brat for a competent OC than it is to find a Hall of Fame QB to replace Carson Palmer.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 19, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

True. Not much we can do this year. One way or another this marriage made in hell (Palmer/Bratkowski) needs to end in a divorce by season’s end. Something has to give. I’d love it Palmer wasn’t really this awful and it was Brat holding him down the entire time.

by bodacio zk on Sep 19, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

+9

That would be great.

by DonMegga on Sep 19, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only +9? Aside from the obvious Carson reference, I don’t think that’s strong enough there.

by FriarBob on Sep 20, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like Palmer, but he needs to step his game up. He had 60.1 passer rating today-16-35 completions. His uneasiness is becoming apparent. The one play he didn’t know what was going on, Cook looked awful too. Palmer was inaccurate and hesitated to check down thus losing several potential 3-5yd gains. T.O. and Ocho both dropped catchable TD passes. I think Palmer needs to realize his time is running out to do something great. Bratworst is awful, yet he’s here. I think we’ll see some improvement next week….at least I hope so

by DonMegga on Sep 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think your assessment is completely wrong

You and too many other people on this site seem to think that if Palmer doesn’t have a 100% completion game or if every pass he throws doesn’t hit every receiver square in the numbers that he stinks.
You talk about checkdowns – if he doesn’t think the deep receivers are open or that he won’t have time to wait for them to get open what else is he supposed to do.
Audibles – Brat sucks and it doesn’t seem like Palmer has any confidence in his play calling.
Delay of game – I’ll give 50% fault to Palmer, the other 50% to Brat sucks. You have to get the play into the QB fast enough for him to be able to make changes and you’d like to think that at least about 75% of the time you called the right play in the first place.
False Starts – What are they supposed to do? Go on hut one because you have professional football players that can’t remember a snap count? If there were multiple guys jumping I could see that Palmer might be at fault, but it seems that it’s almost always just that one.

I keep seeing people complaining about the wide open receivers that he missed, in particular Chad in the endzone. I said it in previous posts; but if any of you have the game taped watch it again. When Chad reversed his route and the defender lost his footing, Chad threw up his hand while he was running, Palmer threw the ball to a running Chad, Chad slowed down (I would guess) because he thought Palmer was going to throw it directly at him. Just a miscommunication. Was I pissed we didn’t get the TD, oh yeah. Does it seem like this kind of thing happens a lot, oh yeah. Is it necessarily all Palmers fault, oh no.
Now I know some of you are thinking, “what about the overthrows to TO?” The one out of the back of the endzone – horrible throw. The one on the sidelines just at the endzone – watch the replay, TO lets off his route just as he muscles past his receiver.
What about the under thrown ball to TO in the endzone? It was under thrown but still catchable (it did bounce off his helmet.) Could it have been better thrown, absolutely. But it wasn’t horrible.
What about the 20 yd hook that Palmer under threw badly to TO near the beginning of the game? Was it really that bad or was it thrown to a 15 yard hook when the receiver ran a 20 yard hook? ‘Cause that is a timing play and it looked like a pretty good ball to a 15 yard hook. I don’t know what the route was supposed to be so I don’t know if it was a bad throw or bad route.
I know some will think that I’m watching Palmer through rose colored glasses and maybe I am. But what I am trying to do here is point out that not every incompletion, perceived bad throw or game management mistake is always Palmers fault.

by GrizzlyRider on Sep 20, 2010 6:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with everything you say

with a caveate: Palmer does not seem to be as accurate nor throw the ball with as much velocity since he injured his elbow. Because he did not opt for the surgery but instead went for rest and phys. therapy, his mechanics had to have been changed/evolved. That’s my theory.

by featherman on Sep 20, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I think his mechanics look better this year than last; but his arm will never be the same. Pretty much with his movement also. I don’t think anybody ever confused him with Elway when he was drafted but since the blowout he’s staring to make Marino look agile

by GrizzlyRider on Sep 20, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carson needs to take every member of the defense out to dinner for saving his ass and winning us that game. He looked awful today…

Still not a crook!

by TrickyD26 on Sep 19, 2010 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's let Palmer face Carolina, Cleveland, Tampa, Atlanta, and Miami

before we hit him too hard. Let these guys gel, see if something can’t get rolling. What they needed was a split or better in these first 2, they got it. If the team can’t find an offense before the bye week, then we’ve got a problem.

by Grizzlyfox on Sep 19, 2010 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Brandon Johnson...

He looked really good today. 3 tckls 3 asst tckls 1 int

by DonMegga on Sep 19, 2010 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

FIRE BRATKOWSKI

Some inovation would be nice! Let Palmer call his own plays for 1 game! Can only imagine his frustration when his coach is tying one of his hands behind is back with obvious play calling. Indianapolis can give their snap count away (guard tapping center to snap the ball) & still roll up 38 points on a good defense…why Manning is running the offense, not some drunkin boob in a press box.

by Vman in Germany on Sep 20, 2010 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Give the Ravens a LITTLE Credit

They play a tough game and have a solid D. I’d love to see Carson light it up but some games you just can’t. I hope NFL Network rebroadcasts this game but probably not.

Great to see our D fired up and attacking the way we all knew they could! Lets please do that each game from now until the SB.

Carson and the offense are getting really close to having everything worked out. I think they’ll have a great game next week and we’ll get the 31 point score and the win. Carson should have the confidence in himself to lead and override any BS playcalling from Bratwurst.

2010 - The Year of the Tiger.

by UpStateMike on Sep 20, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

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