Daily Banter: Bengals/Ravens Could Become Division's Great Rivalry
Sunday's win was a great win against a good opponent. It wasn't easy nor was it pretty. The Baltimore Ravens are annually one of the best defensive teams in the NFL. Adding weapons like Anquan Boldin, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Dennis Pitta and Ed Dickson, brought expectations of an improved offense that already had Joe Flacco, Derrick Mason and Ray Rice. To say Cincinnati's 15-10 win over Baltimore was a tough win would be an understatement. It was a knock 'em out, drag 'em out MMA bloodfest. Cincinnati earned this win, beating an opponent that many projected would win the division.
But honestly, the Ravens are a great opponent for the Bengals, simply because both teams are beginning to mirror each other with a strong defense and a frustrating offense.
I know the Ravens primary rival is the Pittsburgh Steelers, and I don't mind. Every team has a big-time rival and they haven't been our biggest since Art Modell moved them to Baltimore. Don't get me wrong, they're still our rivals. But do the Ravens and their fans view the Bengals as their biggest rival, or the Steelers? But you get the feeling that within the next few years, as things are (and I'm not talking about winning streaks), the Bengals and Ravens will continue their string of great games, fueled by fire as their rivalry continues to develop.
It's a shame the rematch will take place on the final week of the season. It'll be great if the game determines the AFC North champion, but that rarely happens. However, if it does come down to that, it could be the most epic regular season game we've played this century.
It was a great win, mostly because it reinforced our original expectations. After losing to New England, falling behind 31-3 early in the third quarter, fans were really thrown. We weren't sure if this was a glimpse into the season or an aberration because the team wasn't ready to play. I admit it, I was nervous after losing to the Patriots. Having been thrown as much as we were, I wasn't sure how to react. Sunday's win gave fans peace of mind in that the defense is alright and the Bengals can win close ones again, much like 2009, against good opponents.
You may find more things to chirp about that's wrong with the Bengals, but not me. Not right now. Beating a division rival for the third straight time, including an eight game winning streak in the AFC North, makes me happy. No, I'm fraking giddy.
+ Cincinnati's 15-10 win over the Baltimore Ravens was the fifth time in franchise history the team didn't score a touchdown and won the game. The last being against the Baltimore Ravens in 2007 when Shayne Graham converted seven field goals.
+ Mike Nugent is having a great start with the Bengals. After kicking a 54-yard field goal against the Patriots last week, second longest kick in franchise history. His second career Bengals game, he converts five field goals and is the only person to score against the Ravens on Sunday.
+ The Bengals defense has picked off Joe Flacco eight times in the past three games.
+ Carson Palmer attempted 20 passes to Terrell Owens and Chad Ochocinco, only coming away with seven receptions.
+ Chick Ludwig says that Bengals offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski is on the hot seat.
“We’ve got to do a better job of scoring in the red zone,” head coach Marvin Lewis said. “We had a lot of opportunities, and we’re moving in a lot of pieces (in terms of personnel). We’ve got to take a look at how we might be killing our own rhythm with a lot of the moving parts we’ve got going on now. I think guys will get better with it as we go, but it can be a little bit unnerving, to me at least, and I’m sure everyone else.”
+ Adam Jones' interception Sunday was the first since December 2006.
+ Baltimore Sun's Kevin VanValkenburg writes that Flacco "isn't making the kind of progress that everyone believed he would."
Flacco seems to have the most trouble against Cover-2 defenses like the ones the Bengals and the Colts play. The corners play aggressive and sit on his favorite routes to the sidelines, the safeties and linebackers know he won't, or can't, beat them by throwing in the middle of the field, and so the windows where he feels comfortable throwing are pretty small. His first interception was a good aggressive play by Adam Jones. His second pick was a dying quail that was either the worst throw he'll make all season (you'd hope), or T.J. Houshmandzadeh ran the wrong route. I watched it four times and I'm still not sure which it was.
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Lol. I’m not sure if you’ll get much work done today. :)
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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 20, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
When are we allowed to start having a serious conversation about Carson Palmer?
He looked absolutely horrible yesterday. He should have been picked off twice. He missed two wide open touchdown throws – the one to Chad looked like it was thrown by a JV backup. He wasn’t even hurried on the throw. I mean the pocket was getting compressed, but he still had time to step into most of his throws and was still overthrowing just about every ball. We’re now 3+ years removed from the last time he played like a Pro Bowl quarterback.
I’m the last one to want to face the possibility, but Carson’s officially a below-average quarterback at this point in his career and doesn’t seem to be heading in the right direction.
We won Sunday.
Just saying. :-)
But we did play the Ravens and they are still a really good defense.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 20, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't think he looked his best
And thought he missed a few passes by a wide margin throughout the game. The Ravens D has made more than a few QBs look pretty poor, so I won’t rush to judge just yet.
If the offense and more importantly the passing game sputters during the next three games against Carolina, Tampa and Cleveland, I will then start to worry. I’m not saying those are terrible teams either, just saying that if the passing game is really improved and Cincy is truly a playoff team, they should look the part against those opponents.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Sep 20, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
and for the record, I think the Bengals are better off with Carson under center than they would be with anyone of about 25 or so other teams’ starting QBs.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Sep 20, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
If you watch the game again with the mindset that it wasn't all Carson's fault, maybe you'll be less crazy for his blood!
I mean, there were bad throws. But there were drops and awfully blocked plays too. The Ravens’ front 7 is still really good.
i want every sports writer in america to read the Kevin VanValkenburg article.
"Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki
"T.J. Houshmandzadeh didn't exactly look like the missing piece to the decade-long puzzle that is the Ravens passing attack. "
lol. i like kevin vanvalkenberg. he’s objective and insightful, not something i’ve come to expect when reading a baltimore article in any media.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Chick Ludwig says that Bengals offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski is on the hot seat.
this got me excited but then i saw it was a hoax
by andyfrombrooklyn on Sep 20, 2010 10:20 AM EDT reply actions
I have no more words for this moron..
Brat should not be here. Fin.
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Sep 20, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
In the division, yea they are big rivals, but....
Just like the tOSU/MIchigan rivalry I am not so sure anymore. tOSU has domintaed that team up north and the Bengals have beaten the Ravens regularly. It kinda has to be competitive to really be a rivalry. I say the Steelers are a bigger head to head rivalry.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
You don't think yesterday's game was competitive in the slightest?
by Doc Scratch on Sep 20, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I thought it was competitive. Very much so but
We have won 6 of the last 8. Record wise that seems a bit domonate even though the games were close. The Steeler’s record against us is much more closely contested so I think the rivalry there is a bit more valid. I think we have a rivalry with all of the AFCN teams for various reasons but, for me, and I am only speaking for myself, beating the Steelers is more satisfying because they are a bit more rare. And, well, Ward plays for Pittsburg and I have a personal distaste for the man.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
I was thinking the same thing
Both teams have to win regularly and have more of a back and forth feel to it
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We won by 5 not 30. They were in the game till then end and with 4 int’s we should have put up a hell of a lot more points.
by Throw the ball on Sep 20, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
The real question
And obviously we all need to continue our progress over the next few years, but when has there ever been a 3 team divisional rivalry as good as ravens, steelers, and bengals?
RIP Slim.
by brandone on Sep 20, 2010 10:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's a great division
but that’s primarily because of the Ravens and Steelers the last decade, and the Bengals don’t get to be in that sentence until they actually win a playoff game.
As for the Steelers, everyone seems to be writing off a 2-0 team that won a game with its great defense alone, on the road, against a good Titans team. They’ve got the easiest schedule in the division this year. Ben the Recidivist Molester will be back after two more games…
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 20, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
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since 2003, ravens record vs marvin lewis, 5-10.
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"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
id' rather star bratt at qb against them
and put our 2nd/3rd string o-line out there… let lewis and suggs do us a favor..
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
FIRE BRATKOWSKI
You all knew it was coming! No doubt about the Raven’s Defense but the offense has a tendancy to move away from what works. The Ravens were without Ed Reed but we saw very little Gresham or Shipley down the middle or Gresham in the second half period. Play-action is seldom used & is not convincing. The Bengals ran on 1st & 2nd down more than a few times yesterday causing 3rd & 8 type situations. If execution was my beef then I would blame players, but this is a game managemnt issue 7 this coach has been failing for the last few years. If you don’t want to see this subject block, better ban me from the site!!!
by Vman in Germany on Sep 20, 2010 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
A big difference between Boomer and Carson
Boomer was great at selling play-action and hiding the ball, Carson doesn’t seem to like play-action and isn’t good at it.
(In 1988 Boomer’s fake to Ickey Woods was so good the camera was still on Ickey as Boomer threw a 70+ yard TD to wide open Eddie Brown against the Redskins in a game the Bengals were lucky to win)
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 20, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Palmers play action attempts have to be close if not the worst in the NFL. It seems like he rarely ever takes more than 1 or 2 steps towards the back (who almost always seems to be heading off tackle) with the ball held directly out from his body then veers to drop back behind the center never really covering the ball up. I never have understood why he or the play design doesn’t have him follow through to set up behind the tackle; which more closely resembles what he does on a regular run. Or that nobody has actually said to him, “Hey, you know it doesn’t really convince anybody that you handed it off when you hold the ball out there for everone to see.”
+1 – great memory
by GrizzlyRider on Sep 20, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I am curious to see how the Power pollers handle this siituation
The Patriots, who blew out the Bengals, were blown out by the Jets, who lost a close game to Baltimore who lost a close game at Cincinnati, who were blown out by the Pats.
Are 8 straight division wins a fluke? What about the disparity between the Patroits on the road vs at home? Can the Ravens win a Superbowl on 10 points a game?
For added fun every AFC play-off team from last year is 1-1, while KC, Miami, Pittsburgh, and Houston are 2-0. Tomorrow morining should be interesting.
we'll get no respect in the national media, this is still mike brown's franchise
and a small tv market for the nfl (#28).
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
I know that
I just want to see the awkward explanation for the lack of respect.
they'll claim the refs stole the game
and flacco had a bad day. forgetting to mention the bengals secondary owned flacco and we had far more penalties than the ravens.
damn refs. you stole the game from the ravens..
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
I, for one, love the madness
would love it more if we’d beaten the Patriots, of course
by Rocket_Man_G on Sep 20, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont the Ravens have to win some for it to become a rivalry?
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