Batman, Robin and Alfred Have a Bad Day
Cincinnati Bengals QB Carson Palmer (a.k.a. "Alfred") certainly didn't silence any of his critics this week with a "which QB was the rookie making his first start again?" performance. Palmer was an unimpressive 19 for 37 for 195 yards, one TD and two interceptions. His rating for the game was a gag-inducing 53.3
No doubt we will hear plenty of rationales for that poor outing in the coming days, but one thing that jumped out at me was how much of Palmer's struggles were linked to trying to get the ball to Chad Ochocinco and, to a lesser extent, Terrell Owens.
Palmer targeted Chad 12 times during the game, with abysmal results: four catches, 34 yards and an interception. Owens was the object of nine throws. He caught four for 42, but one of those incompletions was another Palmer pick.
By contrast, Jermaine Gresham caught four of six passes for 59 yards. Jordan Shipley went 3-for-3 for 37 yards. Cedric Benson, not known as a receiver, caught two of three balls thrown his way, including his first career NFL receiving TD. Andre Caldwell only caught one of three passes aimed at him, but one of those incompletions was the pass interference call that set up a Benson TD. Finally, Brian Leonard caught one of two passes directed to him for six yards.
The moral of today's game? Less Batman & Robin. More Gresham & Shipley.
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Palmer
The moral of the story is that Palmer played terrible, again. He threw it to the wrong team several times, again. We won the game and that is great and I am excited to be 2 and 1 especially considering our schedule to this point but the fact is that Palmer is holding this team back. Ive made excuses for Palmer for 3 years but now Im done. If he doesnt get it together this year then it is time to draft a QB in the first couple of rounds.
J
You say you expect to hear plenty of rationales for the poor play of Chad, TO and Palmer? Well, here's one.
If you just want to rant, then rant away. But a major part of the problem is that Palmer is never going to complete many long passes to Chad and Terrell with the kind of field conditions he faced today. You did notice it had been raining and that the field was mushy? Right? That factor alone is going to neutralize a lot of the timing patterns that Chad and Terrell typically run. Their ability to make sharp cuts in those kind of patterns is just going to be too unpredictable. Same with the long outside passes that cover a lot of ground.
On the other hand, the thing that will hold up fairly well are the quick slants, screen passes, and short passes where the receivor sits down in a cleared out area. In other words, the kind of passes that Shipley and Gresham mostly get.
But a major part of the problem is that Palmer is never going to complete many long passes to Chad and Terrell with the kind of field conditions he faced today
Yes, I know. That’s part of my point — in that case, quit trying to force the ball to them.
Perhaps we’re in agreement then, as long as it’s understood that Palmer is dealing with the play Bratkowski has sent in. The play may not be set up for him to go to somebody short while waiting for Chad’s or Terrell’s break on the ball.
My feeling is, Bratkowski probably should have started off with a far more conservative game plan.
Clausen completed one to Brandon LaFell...
for 44 yards, on the same wet, mushy field. The stats for both qb’s were abysmal, but you’d think with Palmer being more experienced, and having arguably better receivers, he should have came out on top statistically. Don’t get me wrong I am happy for the win…just stating the obvious. I will always believe that defense wins championships, but sometimes your best defense is a kickass offense…
"I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." - Mike Tyson
by morrison360 on Sep 26, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
For crying out loud.
I said Palmer wasn’t going to complete many long passes on a mushy field. I didn’t say it’d be impossible for anyone to complete anything.
It’s a simple fact: sloppy fields screw up intricate pass offenses and make things less predictable. And that statement isn’t invalidated because somebody happens to catch a pass for 44 yards.
Ugly game
Palmer continues to have too many mental mistakes: the wrong throw into the given coverage and audibles without knowing the play clock (why does this happen every week???). He also still throws high when he feels pressure around him.
I think this team will do well down the stretch because of its defense, the depth and overall talent level, but I think we’ll need Palmer to find his groove if we want to have any chance of post-season success.
Yes, why does this happen every week...
I mean he has the plays coming right into his ears, right?
It’s as if… well, it’s as if the god damned offensive play calling is coming in late and then Palmer has to evaluate the way the defense positions against the call.
I could sleep when I lived alone.
Is there a ghost in my house?
This as a retarded post
Chad and TO mostly run deep routes, while Gresham, Shipley, Leonard, and Benson run short routes— take a look at Gresham’s catches today- almost all of them came on short screens. That is why Palmer’s completion percentages are better to Gresham, Shipley, etc., then Chad and TO. Carson can’t throw the deep and intermediate routes with any sort of accuracy anymore. The problem isn’t Chad and TO, its Carson
(Oops.) No, it's not simply Carson.
If you had played this same game on a dry field, the outcome of many of the offensive plays would have been far different. Field conditions are a major factor.
Chad and TO are important
Even if they don’t make a single catch the fact that they are double covered a lot makes it possible for Gresham and Shipley to get open.
What was up with those last two penalties?
Leon hit the QB just after he released the ball and the tackle was all body (no blow to the head). Trent’s hit was a little late but he was going full-speed to a guy who should have caught the ball. They called a blow to the head, but replays don’t show any contact. Sketchy calls IMO.
It certainly has the appearance of bad QB play but....
Chad quit on a few routes and again made a couple of rookie mistakes. TO seemed at times to be taking palys off. Benson, Leonard, Scott, Gresham and Shipley played very well IMO. The big problem seems only to exist between Carson and TO and Chad. The TD pass to Caldwell would most likely have been a completion if not for the PI call.
There is np doubt that Carson needs to get on the same page with Chad and TO. The Oline needs to improve – thay played better last year with the same people. Cook is getting pushed back. All of this is true.
But the biggest concern for me is the overall lack of polish in both the Offense and Special teams groups. There are some D problems too, but since they are overall doing well I can let them slide. Cosby seems to be less effective ans punt and KO coverage is also a bit sloppy. I think it is coaching.
But, hey, we played badly and still won. If Carson, Chad and TO can just get it somewhat together we can still be very good. Cleveland gave Baltimore all they wanted in Baltimore. If we play next week like we did today it is very possible we will lose and in case nobody has noticed Pittsburg is 3-0 without Ben.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Oh we've noticed.
Should I really be this concerned with the Brownies?? After watching that game yesterday vs. Baltimore I am. I’m not even going to bring up Pittsburgh. I’m not as much concerned with Bengals special teams as I am the offense. As much as I hate it, the ineffectiveness of the offense is causing a lack of confidence throughout the team and the fans and that’s not good.
"I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." - Mike Tyson
Who's making Who look bad
BRATSUCKSKI makes Palmer look bad & Palmer makes BRATSUCKSKI look bad. Fact is in the gay ass Batman & Robin shit is that the Bat Mobile had it’s tires slashed in the parking lot by Bratsuckski & Palmer. The only crimes right now are 1) BRatsuckski has a job & 2) the money Palmer is stealing from the Bengals every Monday when he picks up his paycheck. Where is the leadership on this team? The Batman & Robin thing is as tired as the offensive play calling!
by Vman in Germany on Sep 26, 2010 10:17 PM EDT reply actions
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I agree with the post earlier, Palmer is trying to force the ball to Chad and T.O. instead of just hitting who is open. Let them be decoys, who cares about their numbers and pleasing them. Take what the defense gives you and eventually the defense will back off Chad and T.O. and then they can get their catches. Bratkowski’s play calling sucks, but Palmer is the one throwing the ball into heavy coverage. What is more of a fluke 05-06, or the other 6 crappy years he has had? I am not going to lay it all on his shoulders because the offensive line looks like they have the mental capacity of a toad. I also blame poor coaching for not getting these problems fixed. Pre-snap penalties have been going on for how long now? If these guys can’t do the job then get someone in there who can. I personally would lite a fire under Carson’s ass and bring in a descent backup quarterback. Maybe a little job insecurity will do him some good. They should have drafted a quarterback in this year’s draft while there was some talent on the board. There is not much to look at next year or at least anyone left who will fall to us.
And don’t give me this loser crap about a win is a win. Chad, T.O., and Carson were running their mouths that we should go to the super bowl. This is not a super bowl caliber team. When was the last time they beat a playoff caliber team outside the division besides Green Bay? Been a while…. Giants, Jets, Chargers, Cardinals, Patriots, Vikings, Cowboys, they can’t win out west, and they can’t win in New York, and they can’t win in New England, and they can’t win in Florida or Texas. When was the last time they won on national television…. Denver 04? They can’t even beat the teams they are supposed to beat half of the time. They should have mopped the floor with Carolina and instead we hear about wet field conditions and excuses about this or that. At some point the mistakes have to stop. Champions don’t make excuses they execute. After as many years losing as we have endured we damn well deserve a winner.
The Joker always wore purple and green. I'm just sayin.
I agree with D-Day that the problem is, we now have two prima donnas that have been getting balls thrown to them when they either shouldn’t, a la double covered while Carson gets rushed, or they themselves just dropped catchable balls.
Let the other teams focus on TO and Ocho all day long, who cares? That’s why we have Shipley and Gresham to get open in the slot and edge.
Oh, and we have Benson and Scott. Every so often telegraph a throw play and run Benson right up the middle. Or make it look like a run play and throw it to Gresham or maybe even a deep ball. Everyone can tell you when Carson’s going to go deep. It’s obvious Bratwurt doesn’t play poker.
2010 - The Year of the Tiger.
UpState… This is where we agree totally… Too many weapons to be bogged down the way we are… Everyone can also tell when Palmer audibles and points at the line that he’s 90% going to hand off to Benson! Give the “D” a look, but run a damn play using your weapons!!!
I don’t believe Scott saw much time yesterday. Cosby took all the punts.. Just another observation that Bob Bratkowski hasn’t got a clue as to how effectively use all these weapons!
its TJs fault
palmer hasn’t looked the same since he left.
lol.
just adding a new theory into the mix. the grassy knoll variation
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Don't blame it on the field!
Palmer is supposed to be an elite QB. I cannot excuse his inaccuracy!
Ref – Last week he had Chad in the enzone and he wasn’t even under pressure… he threw wide!!!
This week – a soggy field is to blame? No, no, no!!!
Though they won’t speak about I would think the recievers are frustrated!!!
You can already tell T.O. is frustrated with Palmer
Just watch his post game interview
by Throw the ball on Sep 27, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
Not good.
"I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." - Mike Tyson

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