Terrell Owens Calls Out Offensive Line Saying "There's Always Been Some Kind of Breakdown With Protection"
Last week, it was Cedric Benson talking about the offense needing an identity. Benson would go on to follow that up saying that he's not the only one frustrated with the team's offense. Terrell Owens sort of confirmed that, telling Joe Reedy that the team's protection of Palmer tends to break down a bit too much.
“I’ve been open on a number of routes, and for whatever reason, there’s always been some kind of breakdown with protection, or Carson has to come out of the pocket, or he’s rushed. It’s one of those things where it’s frustrating for myself, but I’ve got to keep plugging away. I’m not going to gripe. The most important thing as I’ve alluded to here is we’re winning. If we were losing, then I would definitely have a lot to say, but the most important thing is the W.”
Like it (him) or not, the truth is Owens nailed it. We've had a ton of discussions about the team's pass protection from the offensive line dating back to 2008, when Palmer's elbow was injured in a game against the New York Giants that essentially knocked him out for the rest of the season -- though he did return after taking a game off, recording 217 yards passing and two touchdowns against the Cowboys.
In 2008, Palmer and Ryan Fitzpatrick were sacked a combined 49 times. In 2009, the team improved their protection only allowing 26 quarterback sacks. Somewhat deceptive, the team knew well enough that their protection would be a problem, forcing Palmer into frequent three-step drops in which he'd record his lowest yard/pass average (6.6) during a 16-game season in his career. New year, much of the same. While mostly doing the same quick passes, Palmer's yard/pass is falling even further to a 5.8 yards/pass average. Some directly assault Palmer as the problem. However, pass protection has been a major worry with the Bengals offense dating back three years.
Maybe having Terrell Owens air out the team's problems in the media isn't necessarily desirable, but there's nothing he said that wasn't true.
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I have absolutely no issue with this.
T.O is right on the money. The O-line needs to play better plain and simple
not only is he right on the money
he said is in a pretty tame way. That being said, since it is TO, ESPN will be all over this in a manner than presents it much more divisive than it reads.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Sep 30, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
TO needs to shut his F'n mouth
He should be the last guy saying anything about this team. He has virtually destroyed every team he’s been on and is only with Cincinnati because nobody else wanted him. And I haven’t heard him chiding himself for several of the dropped passes he has.
Hes part of the team
And whether or not you like it, the team needs to get better. He has just as much right as anyone else about what he can and can’t say. What he is saying isn’t causing controversy, it is saying what we need to fix. Don’t assume that just because it’s T.O. that it is automatically a bad comment. T.O. can be a very valuable asset to this offense and he is right. He was open on a few plays and Carson was under to much pressure from the defense to get him the ball…
Seriously dude you need to realize that he is saying what ALL OF US HAVE BEEN SAYING
Stop with the T.O hate. Dude isn’t saying this because he is worried about his numbers, he is saying this because the O-line is playing like crap and they need to step it up. Palmer can’t throw when he keeps getting hurried.
Guy, I know that
but do you not realize this is how TO always starts off? It’s small little off-handed remarks which get worse and gradually turn into him fully ripping his teamates and quarterbacks which completely ruins the lockerroom atmosphere and slowly erodes the performance on the field. We DON’T need that.
And since when does the FNG get to openly criticize the team – and no less than after 3 games? This is the same offensive line he saw from last year before he signed.
by Bengal mayhem on Sep 30, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
TO needs to shut up
internal issues get discussed internally. going to the press doesn’t help.
have you heard carson palmer blame the o-line in the press? in his entire career? he’s a leader and a professional. theres a difference.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Going to the press does help, and today’s star athletes know this very well…
Carson Palmer needs to get on his offensive line, the offensive line coach, and his playcaller. This has been going on for way too long…
RE:
I’m not sure if the issue is a lack of effort. Most likely it’s simply an issue of talent, possibly schemes.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 30, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Possibly schemes?
Whats this possibly mess? More like probably
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by TennBengalfan on Sep 30, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Effort v Talent
I hope it’s the former rather than the latter. Because if it’s a lack of talent, then that doesn’t help us move forward.
by sgiridharan1982 on Sep 30, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I really dont think that is the problem
Possibly on the o-line, but still some potential there.
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by TennBengalfan on Sep 30, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Too laid back?
I feel like Carson isn’t the type to “get on” his o-line, coaches, etc. Not because of lack of leadership or desire to win, he just almost seems too at ease with letting everyone blame him. He’s not the type to pass blame on anyone else, which is why he’ll probably continue to take a beating and get criticized every week.
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
I agree,
Manning, Brees and Brady all voice their concerns whether anybody likes it or not. Carson doesn’t. They won’t put up with getting hit in the pocket as much as Palmer does. I’ve seen it in games too. Where Manning or Brady got up in the faces of the Oline after getting hit a couple of times in a row. Also seen them chew out the lineman coach on the sidelines.
i agree to some extent...
i actually like it when people in sports say “the right thing” to the media. it keeps the attention off of you. obviously T.O. is too proud to give vanilla answers like “we’re playing winning football right now. the defense has really stepped up. marvin is doing a great job this year. carson is a big time QB who manages the game like a true pro.” on and on… he calls it like he sees it and ESPN makes him the devil.
that being said, none of us is going to disagree that T.O. is inaccurate with his assessment of the o-line.
"Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki
He Came Here to Win a Ring
And He isn’t going to sit by and let them just ignore the O Line problem. Good for him.
by BonnieBengal on Sep 30, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
do what? he joined buffalo for the same reason
because we were the only team that offered him a contract.
and in all fairness to cincy, when was the last time this team was favored to win a ring or what in the history of this team would let someone believe joining this team in 2010 would get them a ring. 1988 and 1982 were a long time ago.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
You don't seriously think
that he had a shot at a ring in Buffalo? Please. I know he believes it because he said so.
by BonnieBengal on Sep 30, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
TO's Open Letter to Bengals fans
backs up my point. You don’t follow the Bengals often if you don’t know that.
by BonnieBengal on Sep 30, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the link.
http://www.wgr550.com/Terrell-Owens-writes-an-open-letter-to-Bengals—fa/7957339
He says right away that he’s here for a championship and has the Super Bowl date marked on his calendar.
Learn something.
by BonnieBengal on Sep 30, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
His agent, Rosenhaus, probably wrote that letter for him
But my question is who isn’t here to win a ring? You don’t thnk the coaches are fully aware of the O-line deficiencies? They really need TO promulgating our issues?
by Bengal mayhem on Sep 30, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The coaches haven't done anything for two years
With the O Line problem. It needs to be addressed.
by BonnieBengal on Sep 30, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Sigh...
this is so 90’s Bungal shit with guys like Carl Pickens and Corey Dillon. I thought that era was over….
And I think you just referred to Bonnie as a “brotha”…
by Bengal mayhem on Sep 30, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHA
LOL.
It doesn’t appear to be to that level yet. I was furious at Chad when he went on his “trade me” tour two years ago. It is nothing like that. This is a bunch of guys that know they have the tools and talent to win, but they’ve got piss poor coaching, and they are trying to do something about it before it is too late.
by BonnieBengal on Sep 30, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
urm everyone says that
nobody says, “I joined this team for a paycheck.”
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
He says it with his actions
Plus when he signed the contract, his agent said “Congratulations, you are now a multi millionaire.” Nothing about being in the NFL or being a Bengal. It was all about the money.
by BonnieBengal on Sep 30, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
eh?
most be a difference press conference than the one i watched.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
It was on hard knocks after the deal was done.
I remember that to. I was like WTF. he should be saying congrats your a Mother F-ing Bengal
no and neither did he
that was my point
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
They may need to go to more of a max protect
scheme with the O-line. Our 3 guys will just have to beat their corners and safteys. We could also work some nice screens to B Scott
by Throw the ball on Sep 30, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions
I hope this lights a fire under someone's ass.
We don’t need our O-line to pass protect a lot. We have Cedric who can pound the ball and 3 step drops to Gresham and Shipley to move the chains. Our defense can hold opponents and gain good field position, and with “The Nuge” kicking like he’s trying to drop bombs on North Korea we are strong.
BUT…
We do need our o line to step up and give Palmer the time to throw the ball deep a few times a game. We have two very good deep threats we need that O-line to pass protect better so we can put some quick points on the board when needed! Right now that just ain’t happening and it has me frustrated!
He aint lying!!
But I have to say this should fire up the O-line and I actually have to thank T.O. for having the balls to say it, Benson wanted to say it, almost said it, but here you go! Hopefully Andre can get his fatass ready to play NFL football, see more Collins at RT, so we can see alot less of Roland who gets beat every other play. Palmer needs more protection so he can get the ball down the field to T.O. and Ocho so they can open up the field for the underneath throws to Gresham and Shipley, which then helps out Ced even more.
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I still think our best line would be from left to right
Collins, whit, cook, Williams, smith. With Roland as the 6th in unbalanced lines.
RIP Slim.
by brandone on Sep 30, 2010 2:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
Although Whit is playing good football, the move last year was to stick Collins at LT. He showed great potential the second half of the previous year and that would’ve solved our problems at LG with Whit being a sure thing there. It’s never gonna happen now unless Whit starts playing poorly.
I like it!
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by TennBengalfan on Sep 30, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Andre Smith endorsment deal, "I'm not only a client, I'm the president"

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by TennBengalfan on Sep 30, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Great picture of him lol
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by TennBengalfan on Sep 30, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
think most of us would agree about the o-line having an issue or two or three or four
not a fan of any player airing a team’s dirty laundry in the press though
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
I think the players
Have finally realized that they have to do something about the poor offensive coaching, starting with Bob Bratkowski.
by BonnieBengal on Sep 30, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He called out pass protection in general, not just the O-Line
That includes Gresham, Benson, Kelly, Leonard, Scott, and Brat to some degree. I’ve got no problem with this – it’s calling a duck a duck.
This is our year!
like calling a loudmouth a loudmouth
or a tattle tale a tattle tale
or a narc..
or someone that can’t mind their own business..
when was the last time jo-jo or hall called out the d-line for not getting enough pressure after one of them got burned in solo coverage. never..
TO ain’t the center of the bengal’s universe. it smacks of self, not for the common good.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
If Payton or Favre said that about the Oline Its Not a Problem! TO Nailed IT!
Payton has said this before about different players on his team so TO delivered it non violently and it was RIGHT ON THE MONEY! Alexander and Brat need to get in a room and fix the problem!
I don't think Payton has ever ripped his teammates - similar to Palmer
And in case you don’t realize this, there are a lot of people who despise Brett “primadonna” Favre.
by Bengal mayhem on Sep 30, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
See his postgame interview a few years back after losing (again) to the Patriots in the AFC Championship.
Specifically mentioned protection problems, and he came across like a St. Louis Cardinal.
by Craig Conrad on Sep 30, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i still chuckle anytime i think about him bawling during the after game retirement question
and i dont feel bad about laughing, i don’t like favre. he’s a real selfish pos.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Well I don't like T.O. chiming in on things publicly but
no one is butchering Cedric Benson for his remarks on the game plan and execution. Maybe this will put some pressure on the offensive line to do better. We can say everything we want on this board about the offensive line and none of them will hear what we’re saying. I kind of see T.O. as being our voice in the locker room on this one and he did it in a passive aggressive way. He’s not yelling, screaming, and ranting here. He’s also not upset about the number of times he’s getting the ball or complaining about Carson making bad throws. I’m okay with this but basically like I’ve said before if we start losing the flamboyant locker room we’ve slowly acquired will be sure to embarrass us badly in the media.
T.O. Is Right
But I’ll add a but as well. Is the media really the place to do it? I still think something is off with Palmer, but the line doesn’t help. Palmer is apparently not a QB who functions well under a lot of pressure. That’s fine. Then it falls to the O-coordinator to work with the personnel he has. Palmer should have a fair amount of autonomy in this offense after all these years and lets face facts, he has missed a lot of passes when he has had time to make a throw. He has also passed the ball at the right point in a receiver’s break but failed to see defenders.
On T.O., if you want to really help the team talk about it in team meetings and practice. The media is only going to produce bad blood. I agree with the criticism and it was tame, but he should know that only being here a short while, its not on him to call anyone out. If anything Palmer needs to. Though we don’t know that he isn’t doing this in private.
i'd love to see palmer kick cook in the nutz the next time cook doesnt snap the ball
not saying he will, just he should..
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
I don't think
That will help pass protection. :)
by BonnieBengal on Sep 30, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions

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by TennBengalfan on Sep 30, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Variety

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by TennBengalfan on Sep 30, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha! Didn't know David Pollack was now a college football analyst for ESPN
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I don't think this is a bad thing.
I think this will motivate the O-line to improve next game. And yes, they should play Andre more. He’s here to play…put him in for crying out loud!
"I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." - Mike Tyson
I'm late to the conversation
and most of this has been said so I will keep it short.
Yes, the o-line protection could be better, he is right on that. But he still needs to STFU (same with Benson) when it comes to the media. The main reason being is he is talking to the wrong people about it. Is complaining to the media going to fix it? Are all of the reporters going to run out on the practice field and help the o-line get better? No. So TO and Benson need to keep their mouth shut about it with the media.
What they can do is talk to the players or coaches if they have a way to fix it. All this does is say to the offensive line “I am blaming our offensive woes entirely on you, but I can’t man up and tell it to you myself.”
Not to mention that for a WR as big as he is, I have not seen any indication that he knows s#$% about blocking unless I am missing something.
On behalf of T.O.
First, I am a T.O. fan. I am still excited that he signed with my favorite team. Now that i’ve said that, I will continue by saying this. As we headed into the Pre Season- We all knew that this team had protection issues. They knew it too. They knew it before the Pre-Season began. I remember when Mike Vick was on the market. They could’ve gotten Matt Liner. I kept telling my son that the Bengals have built a mini dream team around a quarterback that might not be able to do the damn job. I couldn’t understand why they would be so stuck on putting all their eggs into the Carson Palmer basket. If he were to get hurt, they’d be doomed. Jordan Palmer? What the hell are they thinking?. Cincy seems to be hung up on names. I keep saying that Petey Rose was not Pete Rose, Dave Shula was not Don Shula, eventhough he was ok, Ken Griffey Jr. was not Ken Griffey. What does it take for them to realize that Jordan Palmer is not what his brother was in the height of his career. Now here it is week 4. I guess some things never change. Newsflash!!! Palmer is done! Keep T.O.. Trade Palmer. Here’s another thing. It is not a good idea for the players to bruit their offensive problems. All they are doing is telling everybody how to beat them. I say quit bitchin and be proffessionals. Do whacha gotta do.
Wow! That picture of balogna tits Andre Smith is horrifying!
Get that man to Jenny Craig quick and better call Richard Simmons for backup!

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