Matt Williamson: Carson Palmer Has Lost His Fundamentals
by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 30, 2010 8:00 PM EDT
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We've talked about it way too much in the past week. And we're not the only ones. The general theme throughout the football world is "what's wrong with Carson Palmer?!" I know, even I am getting tired of it; even though it's still a legit question. Being the information sharing animaniac that I am, it's best to have knowledge from as many perspectives as possible and not sitting on one's hands resting on their laurels of knowledge.
James Walker asked Scout Inc's Matt Williamson that question.
He looks absolutely terrible, and I think it's him. I don't know if it's all the injuries -- the elbow, the knee and the thumb -- and each is taking a little bit away from him. But Palmer doesn't throw the football anything like he used to. He's making bad decisions, which is unlike him. Palmer thinks he can get the ball in better than he can, and the ball doesn't get there with the same velocity as the version of five years ago.
After talking about the offensive line's development into a run-heavy group, mostly big guys with limited agility, Williamson is asked if Palmer has lost his fundamentals.
Yeah, but it's almost like it's injury-induced. Every quarterback, like a pitcher, generates power from his toes all the way up through his legs and hips to the shoulder and the elbow through the fingers. If one link in that chain isn't sustaining or doing its job, you can see why he loses so much on his throws. And Palmer may have more than one link in the chain not doing its job.
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This seems to be the growing opinion of the "national media" on this topic.
One person of the “national media” may say something of opinion or analysis and they all jump on board with that. Its like they follow the precedent set on each topic brought forth by the first person to offer an opinion. It gets old because they’re barely ever right.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
I think Andre Smith could shit that thing out.
Ferreal.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
I thought that was supposed to be Willie Anderson
beating Andre Smith? Can I still imagine that’s happening right now?
by Bengal mayhem on Sep 30, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
TOO EARLY
ITS WEEK 4 its too early to jump ship on palmer
Flawed Logic
I think this guy and the media are coming to a conclusion, then supporting their argument with their “facts”. The Panther game in the rain or facing a solid “D” like BLT’s are no reason to think Carson is a lost cause. You gotta believe in the QB who has brought us to this point….and then hope and pray !…LOL
Excuse me but what exactly are Matt Williamson's qualification
I don’t recall he being an all pro QB or anything. Was he a college QB or a coach or is he just a guy with a journalism degree. Seriously, if he is a brilliant football mind of some sort I missed it.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
None of the above
He’s a professional football scout who used to work for the Browns and now works for a company that was bought by ESPN to provide data. His info is probably about as useful as if a baseball scout gave a similar degree of analysis for why a pitcher has lost velocity and accuracy. He may be wrong, but his thoughts on the matter are probably worth much more than a beat writer for the local rag.
If he was a scout for Cleveland in the last12 years or so I am not sure thatis a ringing endorsment
BUt I would think he has at least some knowledge. Generally speaking, his views are polar opposites to what Boomer and Gannon, two guys who played at a high level for years. One of the two opinions are wrong. I think I will go with the Pros. We will find out in the nest month who is right. I do velieve that if Carson can regain his form, even from last year, we can be a force to be reckoned with. This is not an endless debate. The truth will come out – and soon.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
I did find it interesting
that he completely glossed over the fact the OL is average at best in pass protection and lacks agility.
End of the day, Carson’s strengths as a QB can only be maximized if he gets better pass protection. Yeah, he may have lost a little on his fastball, but he can still be an effective QB in the right set up.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Oct 1, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember this is from Bengals.com
Do you really think Geoff Hobson would have an article saying that Bengals franchise QB isn’t what he used to be.
by sgiridharan1982 on Oct 1, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Mike Browns only form of media is Bengals.com
He genuinely believes what Geoff writes and refuses to read or acknowledge anyone’s criticism of him or the team. It’s his complete power propaganda.
D-day, The difference is we all know that we are all just fans
When someone on a large media outlet expresses an opinion the usual expectation is that they have as level of expertise which qualifies them to be taken seriously. In this case if seems that there is at least some validity to his opinion. I wasn’t being punitive to him. I really didn’t know anything about him. I, frankly disagree, but his point has a level of legitimacy. Not as much as say Marino or someone who has been an NFL QB but more than some journalist who has never worn a jock except in 8th grade gyn class.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
I don't think the logic is flawed at all
At some point you can stretch any accusation to fit anything that you don’t like. Palmer’s QB rating is a fact, the overall ineffectiveness of the offense is a fact, and the balls thrown behind and over the heads of receivers, and into the surprised arms of defenders are a fact. The facts beg the question of what the problem is.
The trend has been to look for reasons other than Palmer – the team has done this, the coach has done this, a lot of the media figures local and national have done this, and the homers have done this. On the other hand, a lot of fans have been adamant in the other direct, some even before the decline of his effectiveness became patently obvious. You get a writer with listed credentials as an ex-scout saying what a lot of local fans consider rather apparent and he’s forcing the facts to fit his conclusion? I seriously doubt that.
The one thing he said that jumps out at me pertains to Palmer’s decision-making. Palmer is trying to get the ball places that for whatever reason – protection, communication with receivers, his own body or technique – he can’t get it. That’s bad play and that’s on him to correct.
You make a valid point fletcher, but ....
I have DVR’d all of the Bengals games, including the preseason and I have reviewed them. Yes, there are a lot of reasons to shake your head regarding CPs play but there are many examples of Carson rifling the ball on a line with excellent velocity. He has made plays with defenders in his face. He has stood in the pocket and delivered the ball when he knew he was going to be hit hard. This sort of contradicts the weak arm/happy feet argument to a point. There also have been many catchable balls dropped and what appears to be confusion on some WR routes. There have also been a few excellent defensive plays (they get paid to play too). The OLine is also not giving him a clean pocket very often. The entire passing system seems to just have bad timing.
Yes, Carson does share much of the blame. He has missed open receivers. He has thrown inaccurate balls and he has made some poor decisions and that is on him. But it is not as simple as sayng it is all Carson. It is not at all unlikely that over time everything will start clicking. People with valid credentials think so as well. I just hope it happens sooner than later. We are 2-1 with the O playing about as bad as they can. There is nowhere to go but up.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
DVR'ing is not the same as looking at NFL game film
I don’t think Matt Williamson is looking at just game tape taken from CBS. I don’t think you can really tell velocity and zip from a DVR’ed CBS game.
by sgiridharan1982 on Oct 1, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Camera angles; the ability to look at every play from different POVs
As opposed the what CBS shows which aren’t from every angle.
by sgiridharan1982 on Oct 1, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
Agree with this PFT quote 100%
And so a loss to the Browns could help jar the Bengals into facing reality. Eventually, they need to ask themselves whether Palmer truly represents the future of the franchise at the quarterback position.
With a base salary of $11.5 million due to Palmer in 2011, we’ve got a feeling that, win or lose on Sunday, the notoriously frugal Bengals will think long and hard about paying that much money to a guy who has no career playoff wins, and whose best days may be fading far behind him.
I don't think a loss is needed
And I don’t think a losing season is needed either. Brown and Lewis have to understand the situation and I would be surprised if we don’t draft a QB early round this next draft. I think they are playing this out and he’s run out of excuses. Another injury would just seal the deal.
2010 - The Year of the Tiger.
I see we're "notoriously" frugal again
Although PFT has criticized us for spending too much money on WRs.
Just trying to be objective JUNGLEJOHN
As a matter of fact, I was just thinking today about how much Colin Cowherd is getting on my nerves.
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