Mort: Carson Palmer Demands A Trade And Will Play The "Retirement Card"
by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 23, 2011 1:39 PM EST
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Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer's career has degraded in each of the past three seasons to the point that fans questioned if the Bengals should just move in another direction.
However, the Bengals quarterback may be thinking the same thing.
During ESPN's Sunday NFL Countdown, Chris Mortensen reports that Carson Palmer is now demanding a trade. Says Mort that Palmer "wants a rebirth with a new franchise and will ask the Bengals to trade him this offseason to the team that he desires to play on to the point where he's willing to play the retirement card. He has enough money in the bank."
Three teams that could interest Palmer are in the NFC West: Seattle, San Francisco and Arizona.
Since 2004, Carson Palmer as a starting quarterback has compiled a 46-51-1 overall record, recording 33 interceptions in his previous 32 starts. Additionally, Palmer hasn't recorded a quarterback rating above 86.7 since 2006.
As surprising as Palmer's announcement may be, it's not without a sense of relief either. Bengals fans have been siding towards the team moving in a new direction with a new quarterback in 2010, mostly since Palmer's career seemed to continuously degrade in previous seasons. This includes issues with declining technique, often shorting his throws and failing to check off covered receivers, often throwing into double and triple coverage.
A trade to one of the NFC West teams could give the Bengals as high as a first round draft pick, putting the team in the running for one of this year's quarterbacks such Missouri's Blaine Gabbert, Washington's Jake Locker, Auburn's Cam Newton or Arkansas' Ryan Mallett. Or the team could decide to continuing with rebuilding the secondary, the defensive and offensive lines though the draft. The team will not be without options.
But is a trade even likely?
Palmer is due to make $50 million in base salary from 2011-2014, when his contract finally expires. Teams will have to consider not only giving up a first round draft pick, but they'll have to take on Palmer's salary. And for a quarterback that's declined so much, would teams even be willing to take on Palmer's salary while giving up a high draft pick? The question should be answered with an "unlikely". Teams could pick up Palmer's salary, but dispensing with a high draft pick seems very unlikely.
And considering that they remained steadfast in Chad Ochocinco's demand for a trade several offseasons ago, we don't see the team outright releasing Palmer either.
On the bright side, if the Bengals are able to unload Palmer's salary, it makes re-signing free agents such as cornerback Johnathan Joseph, running back Cedric Benson, defensive end Jonathan Fanene and linebacker Brandon Johnson much easier.
This will be fun.
UPDATE: According to Mortensen, "sources said he has grown frustrated with the team's inconsistencies."
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I can
because most of the offensive inconsistencies were Palmer related.
He’s an injury prone non mobile QB.
Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.
I disagree
and I think to keep pointing the finger at him is moronic.
by Throw the ball on Jan 24, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
People do not look at the big picture
If they blame the payers on this team for its consistent failure year after year. At some point, leadership in the organization needs to be held accountable. Until then, we will continue to have mediocre success like the 2005 and 2009 one and done playoff appearances. Is it any coincidence that Bengals haven’t had any major success since 1991? It is hard not to lose hope knowing that the ownership is going to stay in the family. Being 26, I can’t even remember the last time they went to a SB, let alone a AFC title game.
It is no coincidence the Steelers get a chance at their 7th ring. The Steelers, Patriots, etc…do something right as an organization. They don’t sit on 1 ring and pat themselves on the back and remember the good old days. The DEMAND success on the field.
"I gotta show em' how to eat right man, that's all...I got all five food groups. Pancakes, sausage-egg McMuffin, cinnamon roll, large orange juice... I just be juiced all day."
Wow. It feels like the whole organization is starting to unravel.
This is the worst news for the Bengals that I have heard in a long time. Let’s hope they are unsubstantiated. I know that Palmer isn’t the greatest QB ever, but he’s a hell of a lot better than lil Palmer and LeFevour. If we lose him, we can throw playoff hopes out the window for the next 5 years. Is anybody going to go to games if he leaves?
This is our year!
Oh man.
How did it all go so wrong? (that’s more of a rhetorical question since we obviously know that it went wrong when MB took over).
This is our year!
+1
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
I AGREE
This is great news i wish carson the best playing for a better offensive line else where. we can get rid of his pricey salary to spend on j joe and leon hall. Trade Carson, his little bro and ocho to carolina just for there 1st round pick AWESOME lets do it
by bengals&buckeyenation on Jan 23, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Good.
He is a horrible locker room leader and has done jack for this community. He has only led us to 2 winning seasons since being our starting QB.
Get him outta here. I’d rather start at point 1 than point 3 with this guy as our QB.
uuuh yeah I write for the Cincinnati Enquirer. Thanks?
what????
horrible locker room leader? How do you figure?
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
I've mentioned his
lack of leadership on multiple occasions.
He was chad’s bitch. I think the good WR made the QB in this case.
Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.
Do we have to find a team that will take both him and Jordan?
Because I don’t think there’s another team in this league that dumb.
Obviously
But say a new CBA is agreed upon. What team would trade for Palmer with his salary WHILE giving up a high draft pick?
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 23, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Who can say?
Palmer has never seemed to be like a person that would make idle threats.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 23, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
can he retire?
He’s fine. Set for life.. He can definitely retire.
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Jan 23, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pleasantly surprised
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
If he goes to a team with decent coaching
He will shine. He can go all the way to the SB and win if he gets out from under the thumb of Mike Brown. I expect this probably happened because Brat is staying.
Well, when the two choices are Brat and trying to learn Childress' WCO in a Lockout Year
Wouldn’t you realize your bosses are absolutely incompetent?
Or a new team.
Sorry I didn’t mean to steal your thread. I may just go root for whatever team Carson goes to if they keep Brat and Carson leaves.
by BonnieBengal on Jan 23, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
No matter how bad it gets in the Jungle
I will never root for another team. Guess I’m loyal to a fault then. If I was able to survive the 90’s, I can survive anything with this team. Could be worse, I could be a Cubs fan LOL…
2011 and beyond. Only one thing came true on the last wishlist.
This year's wishlist
1. Bengals win Super Bowl (Something I hope for every year)
2. Reds win the World Series(or at least a playoff game)
3. Ohio State Wins a Big 10 title
4. Cavaliers actually finish with a winning record
5. Wings win the Cup
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Jan 23, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+2
good man
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
haha. I can't cheer for anybody else.
I have some friends that are packers fans, so I cheer with them from time to time, but if when the two teams play each other, I’ll always root for Cincy.
This is our year!
I'm a part time Packers fan too.
I find myself slowly drifting that way.
by smoormandiddy on Jan 23, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
I find nothing wrong
When an AFC fan has a team they like in the NFC too.
They rarely play each other, and just have a #1 and #2.
Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.
Playing the diva didn't work out for Chad...
… I guess we’ll see now if there’s a double standard. I wouldn’t blame him for wanting to get out, except that he doesn’t seem to have done ANYthing to try to help the franchise, and he’s handling this in the worst way possible.
Uh...
Palmer has become the object of fan frustration in the past two years and sources said he has grown frustrated with the team’s inconsistencies. The Bengals finished 4-12 in 2010.
Does he not realize he’s a huge contributor to those inconsistencies?!
You do realize that he is hugely inconsistent.
Injury prone, not mobile at all and his arms been in question for some time.
It’s a fair statement to say he is a huge contributor to the inconsistencies. He was the franchise QB to a team the offense’s success typically reflects the quality of the QB. Yea it’s a team sport but it’s hard to say the QB doesn’t have a direct correlation with the success of the team.
Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.
This could probably...
be a plus for both. Mostly, it’s a negative for Palmer. If he loses this “fight”, he loses respect of his team-mates, what fans he still has and he is still a Bengal. MB has proven that he doesn’t get bothered by this stuff.
Gut reaction is to think “Fine, trade him for the best draft pick package you can get. Sign a journeyman like Bulger or maybe even Hasselbeck. Resist the temptation to draft a QB in the first when there isn’t one worth taking. Take all those new picks towards the BPA’s in the draft…then get Andrew Luck”. or they could take those picks and trade for Orton/Kolb.
I think he's gaining respect.
Everyone is fed up with Mike Brown, especially after that horrible press conference, and the apparent retention of Bratkowski. Nobody would disrepect him for demanding a trade.
by BonnieBengal on Jan 23, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
What I meant was...
from his teammates, it’d just look like he has no authority. How can they look at him as a leader if he tries to bolt and couldn’t do that. It’s different with Chad. He was a loud mouth but no one expects him to be a leader by example.
He'd look like he has plenty of authority
if this is what gets Brat bagged. If it’s a bluff (and I suspect it is), what’s he want changed? It would have to be Brat or Chad, right?
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by Pardon_My_French on Jan 23, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
or Marvin
remember when Marvin was re-hired….Palmer was the only guy who wouldn’t comment on the situation…pretty odd that your franchise QB had ‘no comment’ on your head coach coming back….could have been the last straw ya know
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I'll take vince young,tavaris jackson,kyle orton,kevin kolb,
by bengals&buckeyenation on Jan 23, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'll take none of the above
Except maybe, maybe Kolb. I’d rather have an unproven guy with potential like LeFevour than a proven failure.
I wonder if any of this has to do with Bratkowski?
I don’t want Palmer to go anywhere until we have a QB on this roster that is capable of giving us a chance of winning.
Let's assume for one minute
that Palmer gets his wish. What is a realistic return for him? 2nd and 6th round pick? Surely, he isn’t worth a 1st anymore.
Depends if he's willing to renegotiate his contract
I’d say realistically a 2nd.
I think anyone will leverage the fact he's seen as damaged goods.
Injuries, lack of zip on the ball, poor decision-making will all mitigate the return we get. Not to mention the fact that teams won’t give up much because they know we have to get SOMETHING for him, or he’ll retire.
Alright, legitimately, now that I have semi settled down, I'm hitching my wagon to Vince Young.
That might make me stay on. I don’t think he’s good, but he could make it work.
I dunno, I'm sure he wants a starting job. MB will want someone that will sell some tickets.
It’s like a match made in The Ugly Fat Chick in the Corner Heaven.
I'm fine with his talent...
but he’s a ticking mental time bomb. He has obvious issues with depression and folds under stress.
This could work
We’d have to strengthen the O-line significantly and fully commit to being a run team….but with Brat back who knows.
Aaaaaaaaand the revelation of how much we need Palmer comes to a fore.
Well jimbasa, indesignkat, whoever else hates Palmer, you’re getting your wish! He’s leaving one way or another, so what’s your brilliant idea for fixing this damn mess?
Christmas all over again
No brilliant ideas, just excited to see some change.
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Just like a Palmer hater.
You want people gone, but you have no clue why. This is a mess. We’ll be going into 2011 (a year where we were supposed to compete for playoff contention) with no legitimate starting QB.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
where should i start for reasons why?
You must work on Sundays and not watch this guy play
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Give me one name that could feasibly be had who you think is better than him.
No, “anyone would be better” isn’t a real answer. Give me a name.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
McNabb
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Psh
I’m not even going to respond. I’ll let someone else take this one.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
So your saying Palmer is better than McNabb?
4 NFC title games and a Super Bowl appearance! Palmer has only been to the playoffs twice with 0 wins
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
That's not really fair though
McNabb had a good team around him. Carson works for Mike Brown.
Put McNabb in Cincy and he would not have had that success. Bank on that.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 23, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
so the 05, 06, 09 teams were bad teams?
I disagree
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
05 was a pretty good team
with a big weakness on defense. Carson’s not at fault for losing the playoff game since he got hurt. What would McNabb have done differently there? Not had his ACL tear?
2006 they faced a first place schedule with a crappy defense and a bad offensive coordinator. Thus the predictable result.
By 09 the team had really decayed, talent-wise. They haven’t drafted a Pro Bowler since Carson was picked. The only really stellar picks then were JJo and Hall and even they’re not at the level of, say Revis or even a Ngata, in terms of game changing abilities.
This team ain’t that great talent wise, as I’ve said consistently. The best players Marvin had he inherited (except for Carson)
by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 23, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
good points
But McNabb got his team to the playoffs and was successful consistently, I’ll take your argument of putting Mcnabb on the Bengals and reverse it. You think the Eagles would have been as successful with Palmer at the helm? I would say no, but thats my opinion
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
McNabb may have a nicer resume, but really his career has dropped off immensely and he was benched for Rex Grossman this year.
Also, Philly as an organization under Andy Reid has proven to be very good. While you need a good QB to win it all in the NFL, you also need a heck of a lot of other pieces, which Cincy does not have.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Jan 23, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
If he retires...
How long would Mike Brown still own his rights? 2015?
RE:
Contract expires after the 2014 season.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 23, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Good. I don't think he's worth a first round pick, and I think MB will hold out for one.
So if they can’t get that I hope he never makes another dime from the NFL. Or at least until 2015.
never will get a higher pick than 4th round, no way
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
You'd be surprised.
Miami and Oakland fans both want him from the sounds of it, Carolina might explore the option as well as San Francisco. There’s teams out there with dearths, just questions if they’ll go for it and how much they’ll offer. Considering how weak this QB class is in the draft with no really tremendous talents (like Luck or Bradford or Stafford), those teams may opt not to wait and pick up Palmer. It’s very possible.
Hope it happens, just dont see it after the way he has played
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
dont forget tennessee and seattle
they are both qbless and seattle has his old coach pete carrol
i say we suck it up if he leaves
bc we will anyway bc we wont get a great qb anywhere and draft one next year… the qb class next year is very promising if they all come out
if he files his retirement papers
all he would have to do is sit out a year and then he would be a UFA. He would also no longer be paid by cincy when he retires.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Jan 23, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Pissed
I love Carson and if he goes while the front office decides to keep Brat another goes to show you how this organization is doomed to succeed while any Browns occupy the front office.
I live in Tennessee and the buzz around here is that a Palmer VY trade would be fair for both sides
I really dont want VY, but who knows it could be a good thing
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I just threw up in my mouth
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 23, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
explain your sickness
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
It's Vince Young
He’s been criticized as not being a leader, being late to meetings, not really giving a fuck and his talent is incredibly questionable given that all he can do is run. He hasn’t improved in any of his time in the league.
Why the hell would we want him?
It's just a buzz
I dont want VY, but if we can dump Palmer’s deal on another team and get anything at all in return i think we come out winners
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Not someone like Young
Because Brown will force Lewis to play him because of his supposed talent.
They can just release Palmer, and not take VY. That would do the same thing.
VY is about 100% likely to just get released. Palmer would bring back at least a 2nd round pick.
Not equal value. At all.
then you still have to pay his guaranteed money
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Or you could trade Palmer,
and get something, then sign VY. Except VY is clinically retarded (seriously, I think he’d pull a Brick Tamland on an IQ test).
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by Pardon_My_French on Jan 23, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
and if we can get a 2nd rounder from any team you have to take that deal
I dont see anybody coughing up a 2nd round pick for Palmer
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. Good deal for Tennessee.
Horrible for Cincinnati.
by KSE on Jan 23, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not really
they get that huge contract and we get a backup QB, i dont see problem with it
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
i'm just saying backup quality QB
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
A backup to who?
I can’t believe how ridiculously blinded you are by hatred for Palmer. Vince Young? Really?
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
I do hate him
and scroll up to see where I said I wouldn’t want him
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't want...
to worry about the QB for my favorite team getting depressed/suicidal because some fan on WLW said he had a bad game. Vince wouldn’t be able to handle Mike Brown’s antics.
If he can deal with Bud Adams, Brown should be a breeze
i’m just posting what people are talking about here, I dont want VY to be our Starting QB. My point is if we can get any team to pick up Palmers’s deal and get a draft pick/QB in return it’s a win win
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not a huge VY fan, but for some crazy reason, he seems to win more games than he loses and would probably be solid in a power run offense since he is very good in the play action-bootleg game.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Jan 23, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well since I live in TN too
That would make me become a Titans fan really quick.
by BonnieBengal on Jan 23, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
cmon guys seriously
didnt know you lived in Cashville
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
I will be at that game as well
in my BENGALS jersey Jordan Shipley if you must know
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
At the end of the day, I'll probably stay behind them.
But if they try to draft a guy like Newton/Gabbard/Locker at #4…..I can’t go through the 90s again. Not wasting my time.
4th time I’ve said it on this thread, but EASIEST SCHEDULE IN THE NFL. You have to do something w/ that opportunity, can’t dick around and waste a potentially great year.
I just dont see them going QB 4th overall
I agree with you I suffered through the 90’s as well, i do think we might have a shot at Locker in the 2nd round and he could sit through his rookie season and learn from a Veteran QB we could pick up through free agency. I think i’m about the only person happy about this announcement today
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
just because Palmer became a Titan you would switch your fanhood to another team
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I really doubt it's an empty threat.
Palmer has kept his mouth shut his entire career. You can’t think of this as a “boy who cried wolf” situation. He’s such a quiet guy that you have to figure that when he speaks up he actually means it.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
Also...
I bet Palmer saved his money wisely and could easily move on in his life without football.
The report suggests the same.
Sources familiar with Palmer’s plan and mindset said he is financially secure for the rest of his life and willing to follow through and retire.
I really hate him now, giving up on my City and my team
Good riddance go play golf with Romo or something, or get your picture taken to be on the front of some paper towels or something i dont care just dont come back
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
I can't believe how dumb you're acting about this.
The dude has been all class ever since he came here. The city gave up on him far before he gave up on the city.
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by sexsalad on Jan 23, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Class = Wins
win did that start?
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
when
fail
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
You judge players by their win totals?
So I guess you think Ben Roethlisberger is a totally stand-up guy, right?
put that on the negative side of things
But to your first question yes I do judge players by win totals, good god Doc cant believe you said that
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I tend to think that class is entirely irrelevant to a person's ability as a player.
As people like Carson and Kitna are two very classy guys while the Rapist is kinda scum. The Rapist is a great player, the other two are decent at best.
Can’t believe you don’t see a disconnect but eh.
woah woah
your putting words in my mouth, but what I think your trying to say is that being a classy guy is more important in the NFL than winning football games
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
No one never said that.
I just said that you shouldn’t have such harsh words for a guy as classy as him. You’re acting like he’s being a douche about this, but in reality he has put up with it for so long that he has the right to ask to leave.
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I dont understand your logic but ok
not really any harsh words except that I hate him, I never said he was being a douche for the way he is handling it. I’m glad he wants out because i’m sick of his stupid picks and pick sixes that have plagued him the past 3-4 years
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
He’s been Bengalized. He’s going to rest up for two-three years, maybe get his elbow worked on then either go to another team or stay retired. I feel bad for Carson but I will never forgive him for being a PUSS and abandoning the fans he does have.
"When you chart (the plays) and see where it broke down there was no common theme to it." - Bob Bratkowski
The city gave up on him first.
And the organization doesn’t give a damn about winning. Carson has been a stand-up guy in Cincinnati for his entire career. He really doesn’t deserve virulence like this.
He may be a good guy and all
but I dont give a damn about all that, i wanna have a winning football team. You are right some people did give up on him but like you and Sex both didn’t, I think you knew he sucked but you were in denial. I saw his suckness years ago just check the archives ;)
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to argue you there Jake
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by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
your name says it all my friend
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
what? you cant read
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
in a way it will be good if carson leaves
whether retirement or trade
then you will see the carousel of inept qb’s the same as we saw with klingler and akili smith. carson may have had a mediocre year, but even getting his 2010 level of production from a young qb is going to be rare. And getting his entire career up to now is even rarer. Most drafted QB’s, even the first rounders, don’t work out in the long run.
It will be good in EVERY way if Palmer leaves
I just wish Marvin and Brat would have gone with him
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm if you want a winning team in 2011
statistically speaking, dumping palmer is not a smart decision
wasnt really expecting a successful 2011 season with Palmer so whats the difference?
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
you can say what you want about him as a player
but anyone who claims Palmer is a “bad guy” is being ridiculous
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
Exactly.
That’s what I’m saying. I’m not going to say someone is flat out wrong if they think he isn’t a good QB anymore because they have an argument, but if they think he’s a bad guy I’m going to say they’re being stupid because they are being stupid.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
didnt say he was a bad guy
where are you getting this?
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
I like how you have bad Guy in quotations
where did you get that from my post, dont believe I ever said that
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
my bad man, I misread your comment
I thought you said “he may not be a good guy” as if you were implying he’s deceptively a bad guy. Disregard.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
it's ok
he has been classy, but I would rather have a classy winner not a classy loser like Palmer has been
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
I used to disagree with statements like that
but at this point, I am tired of it… I don’t care what his personal life is, let’s get a winner
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
Gooood Goood Come to the dark side
Let the hate flow through you
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Uh.. he's being a quitter
And yes he has been dealt a bad hand but a quitter is a quitter.
"When you chart (the plays) and see where it broke down there was no common theme to it." - Bob Bratkowski
+1 agreed
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Also, I can't believe people are happy about this.
You’ll learn, once we have to suffer through a year with LeFevour or someone as a starting QB.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
by sexsalad on Jan 23, 2011 2:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
At the end of the rainbow...
is LUCK. Right? You telling me that picking up Marc Bulger would produce anything less then what we had last year?
No, Luck is not at the end of the rainbow.
EASIEST SCHEDULE IN THE NFL. Even w/ a horrible POS at QB the team will likely eke out 4-6 wins, just enough to push ’em past Luck.
Likely they would go to a run heavy, rely on D scheme w/ a poor QB. They’d win a few that way. Wouldn’t have any chance to get past the 8 win mark, but they’d win at least 4.
Well, we'd know more about LeFevour
If the Bengals actually decided to start him when we knew the season was a lost cause instead of depending on a gimpy aging quarterback.
2011 and beyond. Only one thing came true on the last wishlist.
This year's wishlist
1. Bengals win Super Bowl (Something I hope for every year)
2. Reds win the World Series(or at least a playoff game)
3. Ohio State Wins a Big 10 title
4. Cavaliers actually finish with a winning record
5. Wings win the Cup
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Jan 23, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Also...
If Childress comes in and brings in a WCO, I think LeFevour. with his mobility and not needing to make many long throws, would be a good fit for a WCO.
2011 and beyond. Only one thing came true on the last wishlist.
This year's wishlist
1. Bengals win Super Bowl (Something I hope for every year)
2. Reds win the World Series(or at least a playoff game)
3. Ohio State Wins a Big 10 title
4. Cavaliers actually finish with a winning record
5. Wings win the Cup
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Jan 23, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
good point
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Question: on Palmer's remaining years
if we trade Palmer, the team taking him wouldn’t necessarily have to pay his current contract for the remaining years, since no contracts are guarenteed, right? I’m so confused when it comes to NFL contracts.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
I would imagine...
that in order to get his wish, Palmer restructures the contract.
So this may have nothing to do w/ Brat, and everything to do w/ Marvin.
Anybody remember Carson’s response to Marvin’s rehiring?
He told Bengals PR he had no comment. I tried to not read anything into it at the time, but it’s pretty telling now.
Proof?
I mean, it makes sense, but then the inconsistencies claim he cites as his reasoning doesn’t really make sense. If anything, that’s being consistent. fV:~
I wonder if we could try to package him and Chad to Oakland.
I’m not sure if those two could still get along, but playing under a coach they like could help.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
I think Hue and Al are pretty happy with Campbell.
Also, I can’t imagine Carson wanting to play with Chad again.
Why would anyone
be happy with Jason freaking Campbell?
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 23, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know...
Hue took a shine to him and they had success with him.
For Michael Bush
and their first round pick this year? Done.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 23, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
They don't have one.
They gave it to NE in the Seymour trade.
Wow, I would pull the trigger literally without thinking.
But there’s a snowball’s chance in hell we actually get offered that package.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
How 'bout for Steve Breaston and
Arizona’s first or second?
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 23, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Do want.
And considering how shitty Arizona’s been with their QBs, I’m sure they’d take it. Having the fourth and fifth pick in the draft would be phenomenal too.
AZ isn't giving up the 5th overall...
when they can get the same guy with Bulger/McNabb and get the BPA. Best hope would be a 2nd round.
Breaston would be a good #2, possible #1.
He’s got the talent. He’s also capable as a kick/punt returner. On top of that I’d love to have their picks :-)
We had to see this coming
He’s been MIA all offseason and said “no comment” about Marvin returning. He probably waited, saw the press conference and the lack of changes from there and said “screw it, I’m done with this organization”. He’s gotten beat up on the field, by the media and has been shat on by the fans over the last 3 years—he’s tired of it all. You could see it in his face from October on that he checked out, mentally.
The only good thing that could come of this demand is that it casts a negative light on Mike Brown. It appears that Brown would do anything for Carson, and maybe Carson is playing that angle to get what he wants out of this team.
by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 23, 2011 2:34 PM EST reply actions
Hopefully...
it doesn’t get really awful at about 9 pm tonight.
I don't really care about the playoffs anymore.
But yeh, a Bears-Squeelers Super Bowl would just about cap off this day as absolutely terrible.
At least we can take some solace in the fact our QB never raped anybody.
by FordhamRam on Jan 23, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LMAO
2011 and beyond. Only one thing came true on the last wishlist.
This year's wishlist
1. Bengals win Super Bowl (Something I hope for every year)
2. Reds win the World Series(or at least a playoff game)
3. Ohio State Wins a Big 10 title
4. Cavaliers actually finish with a winning record
5. Wings win the Cup
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Jan 23, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
+1billion
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
It's too bad because there are a lot of Bengals I like.
Leon Hall, Andrew Whitworth, Jermaine Gresham, Jordan Shipley… I’ll continue to root for those guys. But really, enough is enough at this point, right? It’s been too many years of the same shit. Carson led us to the playoffs twice – so I’m thankful for him somehow swimming in the tar that is the Bengals organization – but I’m done with Mike Brown’s losing machine.
by jsl413 on Jan 23, 2011 2:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I still love Palmer and I'll become a two-team fan of the Bengals and .his new team.
He’s put up with far more of this Bengals/Mike Brown crap than most people would have. It ’s time for him to move on to a new team.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
But what if
Palmer became Roethlisberger’s backup in Pitt. Or Flacco’s backup in BAL. or a transtitional QB in Cleveland? Would you still root for Palmer then?
2011 and beyond. Only one thing came true on the last wishlist.
This year's wishlist
1. Bengals win Super Bowl (Something I hope for every year)
2. Reds win the World Series(or at least a playoff game)
3. Ohio State Wins a Big 10 title
4. Cavaliers actually finish with a winning record
5. Wings win the Cup
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Jan 23, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Please.
Colt is the truth. Carson will be holding the clipboard for him.
True
But he’d still be better than Delhomme or Wallace if Colt gets hurt.
2011 and beyond. Only one thing came true on the last wishlist.
This year's wishlist
1. Bengals win Super Bowl (Something I hope for every year)
2. Reds win the World Series(or at least a playoff game)
3. Ohio State Wins a Big 10 title
4. Cavaliers actually finish with a winning record
5. Wings win the Cup
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Jan 23, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
And that's what I mean by transitional
Cleveland is like a injury nightmare for QBs
2011 and beyond. Only one thing came true on the last wishlist.
This year's wishlist
1. Bengals win Super Bowl (Something I hope for every year)
2. Reds win the World Series(or at least a playoff game)
3. Ohio State Wins a Big 10 title
4. Cavaliers actually finish with a winning record
5. Wings win the Cup
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Jan 23, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
More Power To Carson:
He gave us some great years, and put his body on the line.
He should have probably forced a trade years ago. Get out if you can. Mike Brown is poison.
I think we should trade Carson, Mike Brown and our #1 pick for Vince Young a Jacuzzi, a tray of ham sandwiches, and a box of flood lights.
Free Agents:
Realistically, the only worthwhile one is Vick and he really only is suited in Philly. Bulger would be decent for a year, I guess, everyone else doesn’t really strike me as worthwhile. This draft class is pathetic as well with most QBs being a year away at least.
Full list for anyone that cares:
http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php
Though people like Kolb aren’t UFAs, I don’t think.
Isn't Hasselbeck
a free agent? I wouldn’t be against him for a transition QB.
Hasselbeck
is held together with heating pads and glucosamine.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 23, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
He's older-ish though.
And outside of that spectacular performance against the Saints and Bears in the playoffs, he wasn’t too outstanding in the regular season (which is all we’d see him play), was often injured, and there was a carousel at QB with he and Whitehurst all year. Doesn’t sound like someone I want. I’d take Kitna but I expect Kitna to retire at some point.
The thought of...
Palmer retiring before Kitna cracks me up.
that would be pretty ironic, wouldn't it?
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
Forget Hassebeck or Bulger...
go get that P. Manning guy. With the right people, he could be a decent pick up.
We could trade Palmer for Manning and that one Reggie Wayne kid.
They could be a decent combo.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
I could put up with having Troy Smith.
He isn’t good, but he’s as good as any other piece of crap QB we could get here. And he’s a Buckeye, which helps his cause in my eyes.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
I'm all for Troy Smith
He isn’t that good, but I remember reading a while back that a lot of the Ravens players were upset to see him leave, that he’s considered to have great leadership qualities. I think he’d be fine as a 1 year solution and then he could transition into a solid veteran backup for some young QB.
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by cesarhernandez on Jan 23, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
I really don't care
what his reasons are- whether it was the media backlash, the fan disapproval, the Marvin rehire, the Mike Brown perpetual ineptitude, the Brat tenure. They’re all valid and all irrelevant. I don’t want anyone on my team who doesn’t want to be here. That went for Chad a couple years back and it goes for Carson now. The issue becomes what do we do now? For now, I’d give LeFevour a shot at starting this year- with a brand new AJ Green led receiver corps and a shored up O-line, courtesy of this upcoming draft and then I’d aim at drafting Oklahoma’s Landry Jones next year as the QB of the future. Simple.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 23, 2011 2:46 PM EST reply actions
Jamarcus Russell will be our QB in 2011. Calling it now.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
That's the thing that sucks the most about this...
Between the draft and free agency there really are ZERO viable candidates.
God I hope not
2011 and beyond. Only one thing came true on the last wishlist.
This year's wishlist
1. Bengals win Super Bowl (Something I hope for every year)
2. Reds win the World Series(or at least a playoff game)
3. Ohio State Wins a Big 10 title
4. Cavaliers actually finish with a winning record
5. Wings win the Cup
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Jan 23, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Doubt it will happen
Lockout starts March 1st right? No way this is done before then… so doubtful it will happen when the lockout ends in late August or early September
They can't do anything.
Players can’t even talk to coaches or trainers.
Being a stupid meathead doesn't make you a bad QB.
Just ask Ryan Leaf… Oh, wait.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
Just ask
Ben Rothelsburger
Micheal Vick
Heeeeey, Ochocinco, he's a good guy, no?
by bill schwab on Jan 23, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Byron ledtwich
mcnabb
Vince young
caulpepper
jay cutler had to get a 5 on wonderlic.
by ddbumpus on Jan 23, 2011 11:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Our 1st rounder and Palmer for CAR's first rounder and 3rd rounder.
Fairley FTW. Then get Trent Dilfer to play QB. Viva 2002 Ravens!
I like that
but I’d say their first AND second.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 23, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
From Reedy...
Bengals coach Marvin Lewis has remained in Palmer’s corner, saying last Thursday that he would work to make sure no one "stole Carson’s thunder".
Mike Brown is almost surely the reason Carson wants out.
It isn’t about a particular coach or player. It’s about having an owner that isn’t committed to winning.
(^^^speculation, but it makes sense to me. For all I know it could all be about hating Marvin.)
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
He just said "inconsistencies" as his only reason.
But dammit, that’s so vague. It could be Brown, Bratworst, anything, anyone in the organization with a shred of power, Lewis included. While I think that Palmer might not hate Lewis as Lewis has been supporting him from the start of the offseason, he’s still possessing one of those shreds of power.
Yes I wish he'd have come right out and said
Mike Brown is a clueless asshat and I’m sick of this crap.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 23, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
"What we've got here, is failure to communicate"
by Grizzlyfox on Jan 23, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and Bengal fans on totally opposite sides of the spectrum
half loves Palmer and half will help him pack
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Chad on Twitter
Carson Palmer demands a trade? Last person demanded a trade in Cincy was crucified by the media n had to win the fans back, how will this go?
Totally agree...
And I can absolutely see Carson getting fan/media support, when it’s essentially the same selfish move. Chad deserved the shit he got, and now Carson does too.
I don't see Palmer as lowering himself to this level
I think he is sincere in his request – if this is indeed correct reporting by Mort
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
Chad doesn't deserve to play with a winner?
He went about it all wrong, but how can you blame him for wanting out either? And I don’t blame Carson for wanting out. But going through the media and ruining any chance for the Bengals to get something in return is no better than the way Chad handled things.
Not the same scenario.
One report=/=Chad’s antics. It’s not like Carson can meet with his coaches anyway.
The difference being...
Chad went on every tv and radio show and acted an idiot….he also spent the previous 4 years being a loud mouth. This is the first time Carson has done anything like this. That gives it more gravitas.
And Carson went through Mort. No different.
If Carson was as stand-up as you say this would be getting handled internally and not on ESPN, and we wouldn’t know about it.
Exactly.
The only people making a big deal out of it are us. All Carson did was ask for a trade through a media source.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
Any way around it, he's a man. Act like a man.
I hate it when dickbags demand trades. Carson lost a lot of respect in my book today. I kind’ve hope he has to retire.
At the same time, I’d probably still be his fan next year (once I cool down some), b/c I’d imagine it’s been a rough 7 years for him.
I'm absolutely positive that someone will pull the race card if Palmer doesn't get a negative reaction.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
Yeh, I dislike this post by Chad.
Seems like just some angry kid who’s mad that the Bengals (more specifically the Big Bad Marvin) slapped him on the wrist and he got ridiculed while Palmer will likely get out without any major criticism. He’s right, it is a bit unfair, but it’s also a bit selfish instead of supporting his teammate.
who's tried to ditch his team multiple times
and vocally called out his organization and various members over the years, routinely?
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
The mighty voice of reason has arrived!
MVOR, what do you have to say about this?
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
hahaha, I didn't realize I developed this reputation
you guys need to lay off the drugs….
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
He's been ditched by the entire city and the organization doesn't focus on what's important (OLine, Coordinator).
I get what you’re trying to point out here, but it’s not like Chad hasn’t gone through this before and he still wants out just as much from the sounds of it.
I agree
I’m saying they’re both justified in wanting out, and they both have handled it in the wrong way.
I just dont get why people think Chad shouldn’t want to leave for a better team, or why Carson isn’t selfish for going through the media and putting the Bengals in a terrible situation. They both deserve better than the Bengals and they’re both being assholes in the way they’re trying to get it.
Again
Carson may not have had a better option given the CBA expired and he (from what I remember) can’t talk to coaches or the organization. It’s not like he could walk up to Marvin or Brown and say “I want out.” By the time it gets resigned (April?), it’d take an incredible deal of time to sort out a potential trade, look for replacements, everything one needs to do to prepare to move a QB.
If Carson really had no other option but to go through the media, then you can’t really blame him for letting his organization know prior to the CBA being signed so they can either satisfy his demands or to prepare to replace him.
Chad’s situation was entirely different..
Where is this Palmer not liking Marvin rumor coming from?
I’ve never heard that before. Is there any truth to it?
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
It's speculation.
No one knows specifics but it’s definitely aimed at the organization for something. People are connecting that terrible press conference to this as Palmer lacked a comment afterwards.
Carson's reply to Marvin resigning..
*no comment
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Jan 23, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
he said that?
or he just didnt comment?
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
He contacted or was contacted by Bengals PR, and said he would not be commenting on Marvin's rehire.
Aww snap, you can pretty much tell what he meant by that
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
His "no comment" after the Marvin re-hire. Seemed odd at the time, might shed some light on the issues now.
I’m leaning more towards believing after meeting w/ Childress they determined Brat was coming back and that set Carson off, but it may be Marvin. May be.
Just about everything you'll read in this thread is pure speculation.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
Hey
Maybe Carson has been the reason for Brat staying so long and now he’s leaving so Carson wants out too. Yes I’m pulling this out of my ass, but truth is we have no idea what the politics of this are.
I think this might be the case
he wants no part of Childress. Brat is like Palmer’s QB daddy.
"When you chart (the plays) and see where it broke down there was no common theme to it." - Bob Bratkowski
NOW we admit Palmer has declined
No longer the God of Golden Arms, eh? That was quick.
Who could walk away from Andre Caldwell and Jerome Simpson? Future HOFers judging from the gigantic Bengal fan boner based on 3 games.
It’s Pickens and Dillon all over again. Nothing has changed. Best of luck escaping from Alcatraz/Siberia/Hell, CP.
No, really.
Your first line is absolutely wrong on many levels and I’ve seen you before the offseason began so I know you saw some of jimbasa’s madness along with the people agreeing with him.
The second line is just as bad because people are very cautious about those two.
Annnnnd the last point is silly. Of course we’re going to get excited about good play, what do you expect of us, to be jimbasas all the time and remained pissed even when our team is somehow failing to look incompetent on the field? Why the hell would I root against my team when they look good? Why is this fanbase so ass-backwards?
We’ve got fans that defend Palmer to the death. Now that he wants out, we’ll point out just how lousy he’s been when some of us got crucified for it during the season. I think I’m spot on.
No one has been cautious about Simpson and Caldwell. Are you serious? It’s been nothing but a gushfest this offseason. Every post about next year mentions how well they played the last 3 games and how we have hope for the future. Palmer, apparently, isn’t as impressed.
It’s not about rooting against your team, which I am not guilty of. It’s about being realistic. Ass-backwards is jumping on every glimmer of hope and continuing to support a franchise that doesn’t give a shit about any of us. Not calling you a sucker because I don’t know the full extent of your feelings about the team, but the unconditional supporters and the “don’t talk bad about our team!” lot is who Mike Brown leans on to keep things status quo. Nothing will change if people don’t get legitimately pissed.
THE PROBLEM IS NO ONE IS DOING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING!
Everyone is acting the same way as they were before the demand. Those that were against Palmer before are still bashing. Those that were for him our lamenting our loss.
Jeezus dude you probably don’t even read the posts.
I do read the posts (including the original) and, by far, much more Palmer negativity than I’ve ever seen here before. If you’ve been consistent all along, don’t feel offended, but lets not pretend Bengal fans don’t crush players they love the minute someone wants out.
Ive been consistent!!
but I really hate that so many of us that used to get along and joke around are pretty much trashing each other because of this guy. That just makes me dislike Palmer even more!
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
MB suggesting a DE as our new TE..
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Jan 23, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Keeping an offensive coordinator for 10 years
even though most of the time he had good pieces to work with and the offense still stunk?
by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 23, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
and give the head coach a raise! thats the Bengal way
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
The draft isn't affected.
but it might influence how some teams draft.
Mike Brown is already on the phone
to JaMarcus Russell, folks!
This is gonna save a lot of money, woo-hoo!
by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 23, 2011 3:22 PM EST reply actions
Good luck Carson
like Corey Dillon, I hope you get a chance to win with a real NFL team. If I worked for Mike Brown I’d quit too.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 23, 2011 3:22 PM EST reply actions
That wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, actually.
I’m not saying I’d be stoked to have him, but he’s WAY better than some of the alternatives.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
The Hits Keep Coming
This is direct result of Mike Brown and the shit ass way he runs his NFL team. Players have done this for years wanting out of this shit hole organization. more @ sportshangover.blogspot.com
www.sportshangover.blogspot.com/
TRADE HIM TRADE HIM TRADE HIM
I would love to see Palmer gone. He is not a top level QB anymore period. I just only hope a team is willing to give up a 1st round draft pick for him.
Andre Caldwell on Twitter
What’s this I keep hearing about Carson? I Missed it on ESPN..
Telling that his teammates weren’t aware.
Small consolation...
The Steelers, Ravens, and Browns all are set at QB. At least we can root for him with his new team without feeling gross.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
I have always liked Carson
But if he is leaving aka quitting on the Bengals…. i will not root that hard for him
I don't quite get that
if my boss was a clueless moron like Mike Brown I’d do the very same thing Carson is doing.
The team just had a miserable year and is making no changes at all, demonstrating a commitment to crappiness that if only occurred in a fictional account would be thought not possible… Mike Brown is really something for Ripley’s believe-it-or-not.
Similarly if I grew up in Cincinnati starting in 1990 I would not cheer for the hometown team. The owner doesn’t care about winning, why should fans torture themselves?
Carson is merely demonstrating that he has functioning brain cells.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 23, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
i can see that somewhat
But if he is trying to say he is above the problem, and not part of it, i don’t like that… he has not played to the highest level he is capable of
+1
well said, he should want to be part of the solution for a franchise that gave him so much
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Not even close.
Drafting a QB for the sake of drafting one is the sign of a franchise that has no clue. There’s literally dozens of better options to take at #4. If they must take a QB…find one in the 2nd/3rd round, most likely they’ll be just as good as Gabbert, Newton, Mallett and Locker. Hell, you can likely get Locker in 2nd.
Ryan was good.
Gabbert doesn’t have the obvious skill. If there was a Bradford, Ryan type talent to be had…absolutely. Gabbert isn’t that guy.
Most people agree with you
Except, you know, scouts.
Scouts Inc. rates Gabbert as a 96 overall.
Last year they rated Bradford a 94.
Alright, 3 things that need to be done to get to 10 wins next year.
1) Get this Carson business out of the way ASAP. Get a game managing QB. Orton would work. Kerry Collins could maybe work. Seneca Wallace. Somebody that isn’t going to take chances.
2) Use the money saved on Carson to re-sign J-Jo. Draft heavy on D.
3) Pick up a pounding RB or two. Pick up a run blocker or two. Make it a run first run second run third scheme. Use the run to set up PA pass. Simpson and Caldwell can beat people downfield.
I don’t think this team is too far off from being able to win w/ their D on its own. Hopefully they embrace it, now’s their chance. Make me a believer, Mikey. I’m not holding my breath.
The other part of my comment....
Overvaluing Simpson and Caldwell: Check
Not being realistic: Check
by bodacio zk on Jan 23, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I mean for crying out #$^#$%^#$ % loud
I dunno what’s wrong w/ you )*&(^&(#$^(&$ that can’t remember that this team won 11 games in 2009 on the strength of their running game and D. I don’t get how you can just block that from your memory.
I don’t get how you can’t accept that the D was very good the last 3 games once they had a pass rush.
I don’t get how you can’t accept that Rome and Caldwell looked above average in limited time. Do you realize J-Rome tied the team record for receptions in a game against the Ravens?
I bet David Verser
had one good game in his career, too.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 23, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I don't disagree
Subpar QB great def and great run game only got the Jets to the AFC championship game twice in 2 years
good point you just brought up Grizz
this should make room for more money to sign Jon Jo Ced and next year Leon
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I don't buy this story?
This seems to be more speculation than anything else. It makes for a great news story, but until you hear a word out of Carson’s mouth I wouldn’t buy into it. Palmer is no Jay Cutler and is a veteran who understands the business. Not to mention he is the face of the franchise. I can’t imagine he would put out a story like this through “sources.” If I were a reporter and wanted to stir up a story about a qb that was unhappy, Carson seems like the biggest bait out there (McNabb, Young, Alex Smith don’t cut it).
If Carson does want out or retire let him retire. In that scenario I don’t believe you have to pay his salary and the Bengals still retain his rights. I also don’t believe that at this stage in his career he would be that big of a coward to walk away from the game.
by bengal fan from new york on Jan 23, 2011 3:41 PM EST reply actions
Wonder what this means...
Jerome Simpson/Andre Caldwell on Twitter
rome089
#Iagree RT @caldwell87: Bengals will do what’s best for the Organization
Wow shows
Jerome has no situational awareness whatsoever.
The Bengals will do what’s best for Mike Browns wallet
by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 23, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
the good news is
we can draft andrew luck # 1 overall in next years draft.
by bengalinflorida on Jan 23, 2011 3:46 PM EST reply actions
a QB without passion and inconsistent... his brother shows more interest
by mexicanbengalintexas on Jan 23, 2011 3:47 PM EST reply actions
he had plenty of passion
when he was driving to Indy with Chad to watch Manning and Harrison.
He got Bengalized.
You would too.
Mike Brown is cancer.
Maybe they can covert a backup tight end to QB? They’re tall.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 23, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Those were the days
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
solution:
Let himreunite w his butt buddy Carrol in Seattle. In return, I’d like Hasselbck and a fourth rounder. Draft a qb to learn under Hass. (he still has skills capable of winning games) good point about making it easier to pick a side when it comes to opinions of CP.
by quickslant on Jan 23, 2011 3:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Hmmm
Twitter is fune today. Jerome:
Regardless of this surprising upcoming the bengals gone still EAT, an we gone be better then ever next year..cuz 87,89,11,12 don’t quit.
85?
Maybe those guys can take an us against the world mentality?
I mean, as I’ve said for the fifth time on the thread, easiest schedule in the NFL. But knowing MB he’ll $%^$% up this offseason so badly that Rico Murray will be the # 2 CB.
say it again!
in Soviet Russia Mike Brown pays you!!
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Actually so far they mean
a 7 yard out pattern on 3rd and 9.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 23, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Jerome's Twitter account has a big ego
for a guy with less than a dozen catches in a multi-year career.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 23, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't he have 12 in the last game alone?
you’re officially a mongloid.
by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 23, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
How smart was Corey Dillon?
Didn’t drink the Marvin KoolAid, got himself a Super Bowl ring.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 23, 2011 4:01 PM EST reply actions
OK Guys,Suck it Up
What was you guys thinking,we was gonna wait till 2013 to find a new QB.sooo what,Carson isnt Carson anymore and we get a chance to coach up a guy thats already on the roster and thats Dan LeFevour,this guy has all the tools to be a good QB,I say coach him up,heres some stats,and remember,hes already took preseason stats,has a year under his belt like Carson did,so you coach him up,stats …
http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=170586
I think this guy can be a fine QB,I say if your gonna start fresh,lets start with QB,because sooner or later Carson needed replaced,so dont jump off the ship,its the NFL,a guy leaves,hes replaced…period.
"coach him up"
yes, he’ll be Bengalized soon enough.
Give him time.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 23, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought you said a couple of months ago that you were done w/ the Bengals?
Honestly, I did not miss reading your insights.
I regard this event as the single most encouraging thing that's
happened in 20 years.
But yeah I’ll probably go back to not caring about the NFL after 15 minutes.
Happy Same Year!
by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 23, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
This Aaron Rodgers guy looks pretty good...
Is he available?
But seriously… too bad we didn’t plan ahead like the Packers did and have someone even better waiting in the wings. But that takes foresight, something we continue to lack.
Isn't trading Palmer a bad idea
because of how much money we’d owe him? I’d love to trade him to an NFC West team with a 3rd round pick for their 1st round pick because it will probably be a top 5 pick. The Bengals are probably going to get a top 10 pick of their own so I say we trade those to the team who has the Number 1 overall pick and get like a 2nd or 3rd and get Andrew Luck. We’ve had good drafts lately so in two years I would be very optimistic about this team. Andrew Luck is good enough where even we couldn’t screw up his career…
Honestly
When Carson was throwing picks that went for a TD,camera shows Carson looking like he was confused from the get go
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Thats the look
:)
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
The silver lining in this...
… is that in the next year or two we’ll see who was right. Either Palmer will go on and thrive somewhere else while we are mired in misery for years; or Palmer will fail and Brat and Marvin will build a new and better offense without him. Or maybe both or neither I guess.
Well...at least he hasn't trusted them since January, 2006.
by TheWalrus1971 on Jan 23, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Pro bowl mvp a year later
This argument is dumb
by Throw the ball on Jan 23, 2011 6:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Regrettably, I think Dan LeFervour = Scott Covington
you cant be serious,Dan played four years
in a conference that Brady and Big Ben played in and put up good numbers,scroll up on his stats link,and guys need to know this is a business,players come,players go,I myself thinks this is a chance to start fresh,build the lines and coach up LeFevour,the Jets did it with Sanchez,you pay coaches to do it,so let them do their job.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here
and suggest, assuming Carson is traded, released, retires, etc., we draft Cam Newton. He can run himself out of any trouble a derelict O-line may let through, has a cannon for an arm, and is young and money-hungry enough not to care where he’s playing. Done.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 23, 2011 4:18 PM EST reply actions
And he has zero experience with a pro-style offense.
Where he’ll have to play in the pocket.
by IllinoisBengal on Jan 23, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Cosby Tweet
Well on the CP news I don’t know enough about it to comment but with Espn saying it I would believe it…
I don't think anyone has told Quan
that it doesn’t matter if Carson is here next year. Quan won’t be, regardless.
Yea he will.
Chad and T.O are gone. That leaves 4 wr’s. We’ll draft 1 most likely, now that we have to draft QB early.
Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.
2 things.
1. His anti-gunners aren’t much help.
2. Dude’s making like league minimum already. There’s really no reason to go out of your way and try to replace him, unless they can contribute on offense more.
Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.
funny tweet
TeresaKopec RT @EricStangel: BREAKING: Bears calling Bengals to see if they can get Carson Palmer to Chicago to start 2nd half…
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
BTW, man…no matter WHO our QB is…you gonna join me @ LP field to watch Bengals/Titans this year?
by TheWalrus1971 on Jan 23, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Carson's grown frustrated with the team's inconsistencies ????
Losing 10 in a row is pretty consistent.
+1
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
a gambit to force the firing of Bratkowski...
along the lines of Benson’s refusal to come back under that idiot OC.
"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius
Start LeFavour
Chilly comes in and develops Lefavour. Face it if we run,run,run with two tight end sets occassionally going deep how can a rookie QB get hurt or fu#k up to bad? Keep the pass first options off of him. He’s good size, had above average college stats, fairly good arm and mobile. Put him in. Know whats great we also get rid of JP5 with CP9 departure.
This probably wont meet with much fanfare, but I am of the mind to send him packing....
Chad too. For different reasons, but for one common one. Neither of those guys, for all of their effort, sabre rattling, or all of the millions they have been paid have brought anything to Cincinnati. Mike Brown is a fool and a tightwad, but he spent money on Carson. Chad too. And it has gotten us nothing. No passing titles, no receiving titles, and more importantly, no winning. One season doesn’t cut it in my book.
I love both guys, but they have accomplished exactly zip here in Cincy.
Go get a young QB who WANTS to be here and some good young receivers who want to prove something.
I am and always shall be ABC, the Cat in the Hat!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Jan 23, 2011 4:42 PM EST reply actions
Maybe
Carson and Chad have been the problems all along? ML and Brat can’t play for the guys on the field can they? We witnessed how WR’s performed in late season when given a chance. Wonder how that would have worked at the QB position?
Well you seen it
Carson would take the clock down to the point of delay or the line was jumpy,and all this,just to throw a pick to go the other way for a TD,I mean if hes having problems looking at defenses,that would answer alot,but I think it wasnt even that,I really think he didnt trust his line and hurried most of his throws that eventually turned into turnovers.
+2
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Jan 23, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
At least I can root for 2 teams if he gets traded...
and that one will actually have a chance of winning a super bowl.
Obviously this really saddens me. I said a few times this season I hope he leaves so he could play for a real team, but a real possibility that it’s happening it just plain pisses me off.
All you haters will get your chance now.
I’m so happy that we get to part ways with the QB with the some of the best mechanics to come out of the draft in a decade and get to keep Brat and possibly Chad. Awesome…..
Marvin wasn’t joking about an offensive overhaul was he.
by Throw the ball on Jan 23, 2011 4:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Wait, plan
Carson leaves, we pick up a good back up (for Chad) to coach up our Lafavour and go for the 2012 season
Heeeeey, Ochocinco, he's a good guy, no?
Just watching some Lefevour film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-7sEg7JgLQ
at least the guy is mobile as hell, which makes any offensive line better right off the bat. Seems to have a good arm- yeah, I know, spread system/Brian Kelly, etc. bu accuracy counts, right? I’m all for giving this guy a shot and washing our hands of both Carson and Chad and getting whatever we can out of it. Makes picking up a Mickel Leshoure in the second not such a bad idea.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 23, 2011 5:10 PM EST reply actions
Flacco,Sanchez,Bradford,Stanford all started their careers going into the fire
I mean you do see teams taking rookie QB’s and making it work,coaches are paid to coach them up,if your gonna start fresh,I say give Dan Lefevour hus chance
Im just saying,if it works
you have multiple years to keep him,and use the savings on beefing up a line around him,because alot a fat will be trimed off this roster anyways.
Flacco and Sanchez
BOTH have been in the playoffs two strait years now,and Bradford almost took the Rams to the playoffs in his first year,so you cant discard the ideal of coaching up LeFevour.
Flacco and Sanchez were both products of their teams though
Look at Flacco’s playoff stats prior to this year. I think a 1-5 TD/INT ratio. Yeah he was the difference maker…
by Throw the ball on Jan 23, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
but you cant deny that they was both throwed in the fire and took their team to the playoffs two strait years,whats Carson done?
I could have won those playoff games
Not hard to hand a ball off and rely on your D
by Throw the ball on Jan 23, 2011 5:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So...
…when Chad demanded a trade in 2008, Danny Snyder floated an offer of a 1st and a conditional 3rd for him. With CP9 demanding a trade, and the ’Skins having all but jettisoned McNabb…and there is no WAY they go with Hex Grossman in 2011…I wonder what Snyder would offer for Carson?
10 shares of Fedex
and Albert Haynesworth?
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 23, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
two different situations
Chads was about money,Carsons situation is hes getting older and doesnt wanna be a part of a rebuilding team IMO
maybe... maybe not
I think Chad was more about being on a winning team which would give him more PR.
Palmer is probably more along the lines of tired of being blamed and attacked by fans and the media. He is a guy who shys away from attention and is probably getting worn out by it – epspecially with a family now and money already in the bank.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
Cmon now Blue
even you gotta admit some of those as games was on Palmer,you cant remember the game when he didnt even complete a pass???
thats absurd
if there is a guy on our roster who hasn’t always been about the money its Chad….with all the stuff he does for fans, buying tix etc…come on man. Chad’s been about attention and winning, not money. and yes he’s selfish, but it’s about winning and again attention, not $
The Curse of Bo Jackson: Jan 13th,1991- present day
if you've followed my posting and comments throughout the season
you’d realize I’m NOT and advocate of Palmer. Now, I’m not as opposed to him as many are on this site, but I have definitely faulted Palmer with our losing. All I’m saying is, emotionally, Palmer probably wants to leave because he is worn out on criticisms and bad attention. Not that he can’t handle it, he just doesn’t feel like dealing with it anymore – which I don’t blame him.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
Well...
Jay Cutler may be open soon for the Bengals! Come on…don’t we all kinda want to see Douchebag Cutler with Ocho? Entertainment!
How about this Hane guy?
that was a pretty stellar throw on the last drive
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
Dont Agree
I think Dan Lefevour is our best option at this point,hes had preseason snaps,and he got a year behind Palmer,just like Palmer behind Kitna for one year.
but we planned that one
dan-o would have the starting job throw at him, rather than have the Captian’s C pinned on by a royal procession like Palmer did
Heeeeey, Ochocinco, he's a good guy, no?
by bill schwab on Jan 23, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Brown thought he could bluff his way out of this mess. He's now finding out part of the price he'll be paying for this blunder.
Brown has been an appalling disaster as the Bengals de facto general manager. Everyone recognized it, and knew he had to turn the reins over to someone else. But the darn fool thought he could finesse his way out of the situation with the same kind of window-dressing approach he’s used for twenty years. It wasn’t going to work.
After that disgusting press conferance, Palmer is just doing what he can to get away from this disaster of a franchise. Most of us fans are in a similar position. All we can do is throw up our hands and walk away.
TO on Twitter
Let’s c if Carson gets his wish, @ochocinco didn’t!! Last week, Marvin said @ochocinco ws trying 2 get attention.
That's why
we need a Fairley or a Marvin Austin as a disruptor in our defensive front.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 23, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
I'm very dissapointed
Why would Carson say something now?
I have to believe he wants no part of Childress coming here and Chad staying here.
I also believe he’s tired of playing for a coach that is so subserviant to a clueless owner.
I think I’ve been looking at this the wrong way where Brat is concerned.Palmer likes Brat and his "air Corryel’ offensive scheme.
The inconsistencies are the changing offensive philosophies. 2005, 2006,
2007 were all pass happy. 2008 was FUBAR; no offensive line, no running back. 2009 still no offensive line but an offense that was run oriented and succesful because we used extra O-linemen. We couldn’t pass well unless it was no huddle so they reshaped the offense again with no identity in 2010.
Marvin is the inconsistent one. He tells Brat what he wants and Brat tried to accomodate him. I think Carson is in Brat’s corner and Marvin doesn’t know sh*t about offensive scheming.
Marvin should have left if he didn’t get what he wanted out of MB. Marvin is just another yes man now. I’ve lost respect for him. Ive lost respect for Palmer also because he seems like a quitter (though I can’t blame him for leaving this curse of a franchise.
"When you chart (the plays) and see where it broke down there was no common theme to it." - Bob Bratkowski
I think we should reserve judgement until we find out exactly what he said
if he said anything. This may just be a rumor or something being completely taken out of context and/or greatly embillished.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
I agree to wait for more information
Mortenson is usualy pretty accurate.
"When you chart (the plays) and see where it broke down there was no common theme to it." - Bob Bratkowski
I asked that too
Why now,but I said in a post not long ago,why was Carson sayin “No Comment” thru the Bengals PR,I found that strange,but not now,and unlike Chad acting up,I really think Carson has made enough money to retire,so his threat has water to make it happen
are you comparing Palmer to Favre?
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
Palmer's already made his money
plus he is low-key and doesn’t seek attention like Favre, the prima donna does.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
CBA Question
Free Agency starts February 27th (it did last year i’m assuming same time). CBA expires March 4th.
With the time between can trading occur for draft picks and such?
Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.
As Bad As I Hate The Squeelers
I hate the Jets worse,so Im off to do just that,I just want everyone to know,its a fresh start for us,I think we need to build the OL and trade some guys,its not gonna effect this team whatsoever when your team is already 4-12,its time for changes of personel on both sides of the ball,on that note,Im out…night all.
Last time we had a heisman trophy winning QB from USC....
well, I think this article explains it.
by baconbitz309 on Jan 23, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
i wonder if he would get people in the seats...
by Sheffieldbengal on Jan 23, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
with Mike Brown
it is the bottom line
by Sheffieldbengal on Jan 23, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Serious thing we have to consider.
Mike Brown MUST get people in seats, and I think he will try for anything he can to get a new offensive star to get those asses back into the seats.
I’ve said this a few times, Brown may not know football well, but with a lack of season ticket’s he’ll take it out on the draft class finding a new playmaker.
Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.
Cam Newton or
AJ Green with a vet QB?
by Sheffieldbengal on Jan 23, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Going through
MB’s draft patterns, He rarely goes Defense, Defense in a or offense, offense.
If he does typically a lineman is involved.
I could see QB in 1st then OL 2.
Like in 03 when he went Palmer, Steinbach.
Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.
there was Pollack and Thurman
maybe MB took that as a bad luck sign….
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
That's
DL and LB
Pollack was drafted from playing DE at Georgia.
(I included that in the grouping)
Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.
okay
Takeo Spikes and Brian Simmons — both in 1st
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
and atrell Hawkins in the second round
that’s three defensive non-linemen with the first three picks in 98
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
That was a really an odd draft
luckily by using the term
“typically”
My statement is true ;)
Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.
you know I'm messing with you
though I think you’re reaching to identify a trend with MB. You could probably save yourself some time by just concluding he sucks and leave it at that..
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
I honestly wanted to draft him last year
Thought he had a big upside for a mid round pick.
Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.
Jordan Palmer
at least he has the spirit
by mexicanbengalintexas on Jan 23, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
maybe if the Bengals don't trade/cut Carson
he should get his brother to be pretend to be him
by Sheffieldbengal on Jan 23, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Person who screwed their brother more
Jacquizz Rodgers or Carson Palmer?
Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.
How did Carson ruin Jordan?
Would Jordan be with anyone in the NFL if it weren’t for his brother’s influence in force-feeing him into the backup role?
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
Ruin is different from being screwed.
I think he making the “The older was so much better, the younger couldn’t live up to it” point. Meaning Jordan will always be little Carson.
I'm defining screwed as.
Jordan is going to be out of work so fast! lol
The only way he’ll be working for the bengals is if he makes more apps.
Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.
I think he'd already be out of football if it wasn't for his brother
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
Worst news that can come from the Bengals
First off people who make assumptions on Carson’s leadership skills need to go and get a life. How and the hell do you know. I’ll take Whits word on it when he calls Carson a great leader because he knows. I will bet my house that if carson oes move on to another team that has a decent OC, line, and capable and interested WR’s he will be the Carson of 05 and 06. To me the writing is on the wall. Get rid of the dead weight the is old slow recievers, and give the man some adequate blocking and he is a great QB. I dont care who you are if its Brady, Manning, whoever if you dont have protection, ie Brady against the Jets or recievers dont do what they should you wont look good. If the Defense knows what you are going to do, you wont look good. I want Carson back, and I only hope if this is true It is to force a move of getting Chad and Brat gone. I am already excited to see what CP can do with hopefully a new OC and the current set of skill position players. Who-Dey to Carson.
How do I know?
By watching the way Ocho and TO carried on on the field this year. By how Ocho ad-libbed what were timing routes. By how TO either short-armed or made no observable effort to catch reasonably thrown balls. Do you honestly think Brady or Manning would put up with that type of crap without at least getting into the guilty party’s earhole- if not flat-out getting them off the field?
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 23, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
That's TO and Chad
No one can control them. NE and IND wouldn’t be dumb enough to associate with them. Was it Tom’s fault Randy Moss turned into trash? Hell no, but NE saw the writing on the wall, which Brown does not, and got rid of his ass. This “leader” stuff is bullshit. They are all grownass men. If they can’t do their job without Unitas behind center, cut their ass!
You can't absolve him that quickly
Like I said, Manning and/or Brady would not have put up with it more than once. That’s the difference. Being a leader means taking no shit.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 23, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
I don't recall
many of the elite QB’s in history ever having power struggles with their Wr’s.
Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.
I don't recall Moss telling Brady this was his team now..
If your a leader they know who’s team it is.
Peyton never let Marvin Harrison tell him it was his team. And Harrison had a mouth too.
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HAHAHA
The management wouldn’t allow such a cancer on the roster. Harrison did his job. Back when Chad did his job, he was great. These guys don’t do their jobs. They prolly wouldn’t do it with one of Carson’s hunting rifles to their heads.
Man your an idiot. lol
The management wouldn’t allow such a cancer on the roster.
What are you even talking about.
And your mising the point. CARSON COULDN’T HANDLE DIVA WR’S!
Those other teams there were no questions who ran the show. Carson never asserted himself and let Chad do what he wanted.
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The point is not Carson can't handle DIVAs
The point is no one can, but the problem is the Bengals continue to employ these fools, making Carson look like the issue to the IDIOT public.
WHAT DO YOU WANT CARSON TO DO?! He is not Peyton or Brady and no one is arguing he is. But his hands are cuffed. How can he handle them. Handing them is not his job.
just like calling time outs isn't his job?
"When you chart (the plays) and see where it broke down there was no common theme to it." - Bob Bratkowski
What does the qb do
Just throw the ball.. tho if it’s an INT it’s not his fault the WR prolly ran the wrong route.
and
Hand it off?
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exactly
Marvin’s job to to let everyone know where the heirarchy begins and ends. Carson has been immasculated by this franchise.
"When you chart (the plays) and see where it broke down there was no common theme to it." - Bob Bratkowski
Being the leader of the offense is his job though.
If you can’t handle your own offense, don’t do it.
Carson makes himself look like an idiot. He says he could even handle T.O. He asked for T.O. HE GOT HIM.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/11263/palmer-gives-t-o-stamp-of-approval
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I'll give you that
But why don’t you see that some un-leadable (I know it’s not a word)
I would also guess that Palmer would admit TO was a mistake.
Traded him like they do all their pieces.
Day 1. Brady ran his offense it was clear.
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Huh
You’re point…?
My point is Carson’s legs were cut out by managements lack of ability to trade problems like Chad.
Brady is more of a leader than Palmer ever was or could've been.
When Moss got into NE with his bad attitude Brady kept him in check from day 1.
Carson never could do that with his wr’s. And typically gave in.
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On one hand, Carson inherited the idiot twins.
On the other hand, Brady busted his hump when Bledsoe was knocked out and led the Pats to a Super Bowl win in his first season as a starter.
Wrong
Moss knew it was his last chance at that moment. If he wanted to have an NFL career, he needed to DO HIS JOB in NE. No one kept him in check. How’d he give in? If Brat or Brown says put them in, they play. Carson has no leg to stand on.
This was basically T.O's last shot as well.
There weren’t that many suitors for him.
He didn’t get signed till july 27.
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true
But the Bengals organization had already cut Carson’s legs years ago with TOs best bud, Chad, so it was always going to be the same.
I'm not going to argue
that the bengals organization isn’t screwed up.
It totally is.
But what I’ve been saying is more that Carson wasn’t a strong enough leader to balance his wr’s.
And I think in all honesty him leaving we’ll be in the same place we would be if he was here. Rebuilding.
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Okay I can see
But I disagree. Carson is a good enough QB to WIN us a Super Bowl. Look at who has lead teams to the game in the past 10 years. The names will shock you.
Now if we get rid of Carson just to have a Derek Anderson type QB, then we become irrelevant and it could be the 90s all over again. We don’t need to completely rebuild. Watch that San Diego game tape (it was a must win for SD).
The Fan in you is blinding you a tad
Carson is nothing like what he was. That QB in 05 HE could have won us one. Not Palmer now. This guy is all over. And the fact he said the inconsistencies is what he’s tired of, shows he doesn’t look in the mirror much. This season you really didn’t know what Carson to expect, shitty decision making Carson or a glimpse of that elite play maker.
I agree don’t rush and bring in nothing. But I would have no problem drafting locker, gabbert or newton and having them sit a year. Behind a veteran journeyman for a year like Garcia. If that means we can educate the new QB in the system.
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I mean Brady did not build that NE culture
Belichek did and Brady just happened to be part of it. Carson would have been a Hall of Famer on that team. Everyone knew NE was in “take no crap mode” with Moss so he had to be on the up and up. Can that be said about the Bengals?
Give me suggestion of what to do?
How does Manning lead so well? I mean what is Peyton doing to make Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne so good (that Garcon doesn’t understand by the way)?
The answer is nothing!!!! Welker, Clark, Wayne, et al just do their freaking jobs!
Brat is staying
Carson says no thank you. Hope he ends up in ARI with a real receiver and a good O minded coach
the qb that quit on the team all season now wants to quit in the off season
a few thoughts on the matter:
1) let palmer retire. if he’s really set on the, trade me or i retire. let him retire. his career is over. nobody will offer even a 7th round pick for palmer under his current contract. he’s overpaid for the amount of performance he’s delivering. he also lacks heart. he’s not much of a leader either. in short, he fails in his job in 3 categories.
2) if palmer is this set on a trade, that must mean he’s willing to take less money to play elsewhere in the nfl. if that is the case, it means palmer knows he’s under-performing his current contract. and frankly, to continue to be a starter in cincy, he needs to take a pay cut or ride the bench if he can’t earn the job.
3) its now time to prepare for the rebuild. find a veteran on the waiver wire and find a young prospect in the draft in 2nd to 6th round. develop him.
4) its time for a new qb coach. one that can develop a young qb.
5) bratt needs to go.
this is coming from someone that isn’t a carson hater. i honestly believed carson was still a solid qb and could lead this franchise where it needed to go. but if carson’s heart isn’t in it, its time he retires. today. now.
" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe
Mike Brown's next move....
…he’s on the phone to Dallas speaking to Jpn Kitna.
Mike: “Jon, you’ll love it here. We haven’t changed the playbook since you were last here and we don’t have any intention to change it going into 2012 either.”
by wiseking on Jan 23, 2011 8:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I agree
Most are using this to push their agenda on Palmer’s play, whether they like him here or not, but the reality of this is it’s a referendum on the ownership and overall organization. I’ll be honest, I am pulling for Carson to get his wish or retire just to further highlight MB’s ineptitude as a GM and head of football ops.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Jan 23, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Fellas, this aint Madden
We need Carson to be competitive over the next few years. Our roster would be in shambles without him. QBs get too much credit and take too much heat. Here are three reasons:
1. Our line is wack. – Whit is good but beyond that, this line couldn’t hold ’05’s jock. Cook is looking more and more like another Ghiaciuc. Williams is a shell of his former self, and the rest of our guys could not start for anyone else in the NFL. Knocking Carson for feeling uneasy in the pocket, when these are the fools supposed to block Ngata, Harrison, Suggs, and others, is just stupid. Maybe this is our OLine coaches fault, or our scouting departments fault, or MB’s fault for not paying Steinbach and others, but either way, it’s not Carson’s fault. He can’t block for himself and he has taken sacks and been pushed from the pocket because we are in the bottom five in the league in time allowed for QB in the pocket. Check the numbers…
2. Our OC is the worst. – No one would disagree, so no need to rehash. But the playbook does come from the top, not from Carson. He only gets the audibles he is handed by Brat.
3. Our wideouts were terrible last year. – Both INTs that went for TDs were thrown to Owens. Carson threw 20 INTs, 16! of them were at Chad and Owens. These guys can’t run routes. IMHO, the voice of reason in Bengal-land is Dave Lapham. This guy states game in and game out that Carson is clueless where Chad and Owens will be on the field. How can he complete passes when he looks at his progression and his wideouts aren’t there? Then when these fools were “hurt,” we saw some unproven kids, who knew how to read a playbook and run a route, make Carson look like a ProBowler once again.
Now, I am not saying Carson is a HoF, but the guy is keeping us competitive. If we lose him, things will get much, much worse, and may not get better in a long time. This is not a video game. QBs don’t grow on trees. I see Newton and Malllett and Gabbert and think of Klingler, Smith, Leaf, McNown and every other 1st rounder and can’t help but think why lose the certainty at QB? If Carson was on the NYJ, they would be unstoppable. He is good enough to win us a title. He is better than every QB in our division except Ben. He won us the division last year.
Here is my hope; it’s a power play. Carson is not looking to retire. I’m sure he wouldn’t mind playing closer to home or with Carroll, but I would guess he’d love to stay in Cincy as long as he knows we are going to attempt to win and provide him with a capable roster.
Mike Brown is a joke. The fact that our franchise wants out is proof. How bad must Mike be for Carson to be willing to forego 50million? Its a statement on the organization and the owner. It says loud and clear that the Bengals are doomed. Never before tonight have I been so down on this organization, but the way things were handled with the stadium and Brown held us ransom, no one should spend another penny on them until he gives up player management rights.
by kennythered on Jan 23, 2011 8:19 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
man, you are correct
Palmer leaving will throw this franchise so far down the toilet that the ninties will look good.
"When you chart (the plays) and see where it broke down there was no common theme to it." - Bob Bratkowski
Last thing
If Carson is pissed because we are firing Brat, then I am done with him… Just sayin. And I haven’t heard anything, just spitballing and speculating. Now, I could see it vice versa.
We all need to hold Mike Brown accountable!
He is the problem. Not Carson. I implore you to believe this.
Mike Brown threw the
pair of Pick 6’s vs the Steelers?
Damn I thought Palmer wore 9.
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hahaha unreal
Is your name Katie? or is it Mike? Actually they were thrown at two WRs who didn’t know what route they were supposed to run, who Brown insisted were on the field and team…
Oh that's right.
So what about the other 18 interceptions he threw?
Or did you forget those.
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16 of the 20 were at Chad and TO
it’s been a number mention in numerous articles as to why TO will not get another job.
Eh.. your defending him a little too much here.
You have to hold Carson accountable for his own play.
He isn’t exactly an elite QB anymore.
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I disagree.
Brees > Carson
Brady > Carson
Rapist > Carson
Rodgers > Carson
I’d argue that even Cutler has shown more flashes of brilliance over the past three years than Carson has. The guy’s a headcase, but he’s still more accomplished. The same can be said for Sanchez and Flacco when it comes to performing in the playoffs. Arguably the only thing holding Sanchez back is that the Jets play a watered down version of Martyball.
I’m leaving Hasselbeck out of this discussion on account of the fact that if we played in his division, we would have been in the playoffs this season over them.
Who
Big Ben. No
Cutler.. Yes,That’s not saying much, bears never have a QB.
Rogers No
Flacco.. This season No
Hasselbeck. No
Manning lol NO
Brady. NO
Sanchez Maybe? But I’d say if it was anything maybe a push
Brees No
Ryan No
Vick No
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He’s not better then Hasselbeck.
or Flacco
And like I said Tied with Sanchez.
And the only reason he has ok passing stats is always playing from behind. So the stat’s are mildly padded for him.
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that's sarcasm by the way...
I mean, did you see Hasselbeck? How do you think he is better than Carson? They guy is a shell of his former self. You delegitimize yourself with this.
And i still think
That old man hasselbeck is better than Palmer is right now.
Carson’s stat’s are bloated and without him being in pass mode most of the game he most likely wouldn’t have the “high” 82 rating he has.
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hahaha you want a stat
The Bengals O-Line is in the bottom five in time allowed for QB in the pocket.
Damn...
Got me.
Your Point?
The interior offensive linemen need to be upgraded.
And Carson’s lack of mobility means he gets sacked in the pocket a lot.
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No no
NOT SACKED. Just the amount of time before he get flushed. It has nothing to do with him getting sacked. Just the amount of time the pocket exists. Takes QB play out the equation .
Misread.
Lack of mobility still screws him when leaving the pocket.
And the OL still needs mass upgrades.
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Sanchez comparison
on that Holmes play (if you’re watching) where Holmes burned his defender and immidiately raised his hand – to which Sanchez saw him and threw it to him for a TD. Would Palmer ever have noticed that? Better yet, would Holmes have even bothered raising his hand to try and alert Palmer?
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
my point is pointing (no pun intended)
out Palmer’s lack of awareness and tunnel vision on the field
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
yea, for the other team
going the opposite way…
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
Lets take an example.
The Ravens game. Watch the tape. No 85/81.
1. Doesnt lead shipley and thrown behind him for a pick.
2. INT to caldwell. Severely underthrown ball forcing Caldwell to stop/jump ball it.Reed INT
3. Carson fumble.
3 turnovers caused by your “Good QB”
While I agree that if he is gone the team will decline right away, but at least it will be for a future QB who at least has potential. Hell if Josh Freeman and Sam Bradford can do it in their 1st full season in the NFL, there is hope.
Hue Jack for head coach
Right, because they suck
oh wait, they are just good young QBs.
I can’t believe there are clowns pining for the idiot Vince Young.
by kennythered on Jan 23, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not on VY
so dont get that twisted.
I’m just pointing out a statement you made about freelance WR’s being his faults for INTS
Goodbye Carson. Thanks for nothing
Come one now.
Once again #’s 1-3 are perfect examples of a QB getting to much praise or blame.
by kennythered on Jan 23, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
You're point?
Yeah, that’s true. And in reality he has found some good players and with the help of Marvin and the scouting department, put together a good decent roster. But he is flawed, much like Al Davis and many other owners.
My point is that the question shouldn't be whether or not Carson is the problem.
His performance is synecdoche to the problem that won’t be cured until nature takes its course.
But I love what Palmer's doing
He’s putting it all on the organization. The Marvin contract was supposed to induce change, but that didn’t happen. I suspect that’s why he wasn’t thrilled with how that all went down; I don’t think he wants out because of Marvin. I think he’s going to press for what Marvin didn’t get.
So I don’t think it’s just about nature taking it’s course. Brown is finally having his hand forced. People are losing faith in this team. Season tickets aren’t getting renewed. IF MIKE BROWN DOES NOT GIVE INTO SOME DEMANDS HERE, HE WILL START BLEEDING MONEY. THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE TO HIM. Palmer has him where he wants him, really. That’s assuming that he can be persuaded to stay and that he isn’t completely hopeless about this franchise.
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by Pardon_My_French on Jan 23, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
I am not upset about it
But I wish he handled it differently. I hate the word “retire.” I wish he used the word “hold out.”
by kennythered on Jan 23, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Kill Me Now
This infuriates me on all kinds of levels.
I think the owner’s (I can’t even type that rat’s name) sticking with the OC in the name of personal relationships, along with his many other horrible moves and non-moves, is driving Carson to this. But also, what the hell, Carson? He’s been kind of coddled over there, and now he’s using his monster earnings from his monster contract as leverage to threaten retirement. TO was signed at his bidding, and they signed his little brother (I’m sure a move not based entirely on merit). This news coming out as the Steelers play their way to another Super Bowl pretty much just proves to me that God doesn’t like me very much, if at all.
Yup.
Told you guys weeks ago we need to move on, but people still stuck with him.
Karma is a bitch and good luck CP.
Heres to a good pick from the trade!
Hue Jack for head coach
Nice sarcasm right
Because getting someone like Bulger is such a better option. Because the scouts we have will be capable of judging whether or not Newton or Mallett can have success in the NFL. Because it was 100% Carson’s fault, not his all-Pro OLine led by Andre Smith, or his young wideouts who run great routes like Owens and OchoCinco while being great clubhouse guys, or Brat calling perfect plays and always having us guess whether its a pass or run. 100% on Carson and things will only get better when we get rid of the best QB we’ve had in 20+ years who has taken us to the playoffs twice, lead us to a division title last year, and is still only 31. ALL ON CARSON’S SHOULDERS. Damn, why don’t we just trade for Peyton Manning already sheesh.
by kennythered on Jan 23, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
wow..
Have I said its 100% his fault for ALL losses?
I would love to see chad gone, brat gone, new scouts, GM and an indoor facility.
I want Palmer gone because he no longer possesses what we need to win. We won a division title last year by winning games by less than 7 points week in and week out. WE RAN THE BALL. Palmer didnt even have a good season passing(RIP SLIM)
His crowning moment was airmailing a 4th n 2 dumpoff to beat the Ravens.
Looking forward:
If this plays out either
A. Palmer stays and Brown gives in
B. Palmer goes
B1. We don’t sign a Vet.. We go with Lefev
B2 We draft normally and pick up a QB 2nd or 3rd rd
Goodbye Carson. Thanks for nothing
Another decade of misery...
Is what we have to look forward to… Vince Young? With this ownership will be our Akili Smith… Kevin Kolb? With this OC? He’ll be our Jon Kitna… 7-9? That would be sweet! We just went 4-12 with a QB in the same system for 10 YEARS! Brats play calling is predictable.. ownership is cheap.. coaching is sub-par at best.. Who the fuck can blame him! He was watching the same press conference we were when Marv, came back.. And to top it off were going to retain the same damn coaches! Medocrity is accepted here. From the Top to the bottom its ok with MB.. No matter how you view Carson, this is terrible news. Grab your paper bags and your scissors everyone… Shit stinks…
Exactly!
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by bengals life on Jan 24, 2011 3:40 AM EST up reply actions
Carson is not and never was the savior
Does anybody really think this guy will ever lead any team to a super bowl win?
Let’s be clear: the bengals organization is a joke and Carson Palmer isn’t a very good quarterback so we as fans are screwed either way.
On one hand I understand why he would want out. They are bringing back the same crapkowski as OC and there is nothing to suggest this team is going to be awesome any time soon. One the other hand, this just verifies what many of us already thought. And that is that Palmer isn’t a great leader and an even worse QB at the present time. Let him reunite with Carroll out in Seattle so they can suck together.
Bengals need a QB prospect asap and a new OC about five years ago
Let Palmer go. I’m not mad at him at all but he just isn’t good enough anymore and his contract is a joke
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went to the Jacksonville blog cause they had a story on it, based on the the comments they would only want him as a back up and won’t go higher than the 4th round draft pick
Heeeeey, Ochocinco, he's a good guy, no?
i know that
but he isn’t a great qb, and to me at least, Palmer is the same tier. I was just trying to get some perspective in this
Heeeeey, Ochocinco, he's a good guy, no?
by bill schwab on Jan 23, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Specifically Walker.
There’s a guy that just needs to go find a cave and live in it for a few years..
I've been reading around as well.
Niners fans are totally on board for getting him, Arizona fans are pretty genial to the idea as well.
Vikings fans seem kinda divided on it (they recognize some of his weaknesses, which surprised me), but they realize there’s not much available (just like we do), though some were willing for McNabb and Orton…odd.
I’m surprised no AFCN team is like mocking us or something, you’d think they’d laugh at our organization or take a jab or something!
Seahawks are surprisingly Quiet, as are the Raiders.
Haven’t gotten to Skins, Bills, Dolphins, etc. yet.
In a realistic word
we all know next season will be rebuilding regardless at the helm.
I would like to see:
1 JJo and Benson re-signed(+ others if palmer is traded freeing up $$)
2. Brat fired and Chilly signed for low $$- Brat is terrible and Chilly wont be as predictable.
Chilly is already getting paid by MN so hopefully he would do it for cheap.
3. Lefev + JP+ 2/3rd rd Draft Pick + possible vet QB to battle for #1 QB spot
4. 1st RD-Draft Green to add to the future at WR
5. Ocho traded for late rounder
6. Sign a damn kicker!!
7. Draft a SS/FS
I can only hope foe 3/7 to actually occur :(
Goodbye Carson. Thanks for nothing
Wherever Carson goes I go. this franchise is an embarrassment
Keeping a coach who loses his challenge flag 2 weeks in a row and 10 games in a row and keeping America’s worst OC.
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Well, I keep seeing 4th round pick for Palmer.
Does anybody actually watch the NFL? How many 1st round QBs do you think succeed? How many do you think ever sniff the playoffs? Many, many more guys bust than become even average QBs.
They will get at worst a high second rounder if they actually make him available. QBs that have shown they can win in the NFL don’t grow on trees.
Derp.
Palmer’s not up to his potential but dammit he’s better than a back-up and can probably take your team somewhere. Would love to see him go someplace where the team would appreciate him. San Fran and Arizona are really ideal for that, specifically San Fran. That’s a team that just needs a QB to get somewhere.
Yeah, I'd like those places for him. I mean, if he's dead set on leaving, which I'm not sure he is, then that'd be great.
I’m just flabbergasted by the comments by those teams fans that he’s worth a 4th rounder.
Check this out: http://www.drafthistory.com/positions/qb.html
Since 03, only QBs drafted past the 1st round to make even the most minimal of impacts: Matt Schaub (3rd, 2004), Kyle Orton (4th, 2005), Matt Cassell (7th, 2005), and Chad Henne (2nd, 2008).
That’s out of 73 quarterbacks drafted after the 1st round since 2003. That group has 0 playoff wins, in 1 playoff game. Don’t tell me Carson isn’t worth at least a second round pick. Crazy talk.
Bad Arguement:
I think Carson could get a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but only from a team who thinks they are 1 QB away from playoff contention.
Looking at historical QB draft positions is complete and utter nonsense. A pick does not have the value of a specific position, the value of the pick is defined by the quality of player you can get at any position compared to what you would be paying him.
Carson has a contract, a big contract, so comparing him to an imaginary “4th round QB” is bizarre. Carson has a knee, a bad knee, so comparing him to an imaginary “4th round QB” is bizarre. Carson has a shoulder, a bad shoulder, so comparing him to an imaginary “4th round QB” is bizarre. Carson is over 30, 30-years-old, so comparing him to an imaginary “4th round QB” is bizarre.
Now, if you could look at what has been traded for 30-year-old QB’s with sizable contracts in the past, that would be worth using as a yard-stick. But, that doesn’t take into account the fact that the Bengals don’t have too much leverage, and that the Bengals are morons.
??
You lost me at “Looking at historical QB draft positions is complete and utter nonsense.”
So a team looking at drafting a QB in the second round on would be better trying to draft one (0 playoff wins in one playoff game out of 73 drafted since 03) then trading that pick for Palmer? I don’t understand how you can call my argument bizarre and complete and utter nonsense on that alone.
I mean, a team likely to trade for Palmer is one that would also be looking to draft one as well, right? The New England Patriots aren’t going to jump in and trade their 2nd round pick for Palmer, b/c they aren’t looking to draft a QB in the second round.. But the 49ers, likely looking at drafting a QB in the second round, would be more than happy to trade for Palmer rather than go into that pit of crap that is post-1st round QBs.
Pete Caroll:
Hopefully Seattle would be willing to at least drop a 2nd rounder, or a 2nd and 4th rounder, or a pick and Charlie Whitehurst for Carson.
That seems somewhat logical.
Whitehurst?
No thanks. He contract is equally ridiculous to Carson’s.
This is our year!
by Paul Cannon on Jan 24, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Palmer's given Mike his get out of jail card...
…he’s not worth what’s written in his contract. Mike saves some money and some – not all – players will get resigned. The Bengals take in a vet QB which they needed in any case (Bulger?) and get a draft pick to spend on a QB in the second round.
The same ‘favour’ is needed with Chad. Trade for a third rounder and pick up a WR.
Slate wiped clean for Marvin to have another go at making it at least look half respectable.
by wiseking on Jan 24, 2011 2:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
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