NFL Draft: Should The Bengals Draft A Quarterback Early?
ESPN's AFC North blogger James Walker argues that the Bengals must draft a quarterback in either the first round or second round of the 2011 NFL Draft, in response to Carson Palmer's demand for a trade and threatening retirement. While it makes sense to have the insurance in case Palmer makes good on his threat to retire if he's not traded, the Bengals may be wiser to employ patience in the eventual search for Palmer's replacement.
Consider.
The Bengals will have issues with the offensive line if they do not address the position. And we're not talking about filling gaps on the line with undrafted free agents, or the 5th or 6th players at their respective positions. Cincinnati needs to rebuild the offensive line with the best that there is to offer in this year's NFL Draft. Palmer, veteran free agent, draft quarterback. Success will be hard to come by with any quarterback, if the team doesn't march with the heart of a serious upgrade on the offensive line.
And the offensive line isn't the only spot on the roster that needs work. If Johnathan Joseph leaves, the Bengals need to figure the long-term plans with his replacement. If they allow Joseph to leave, then what are the odds that they work to keep Leon Hall in Cincinnati? You have to wonder. Furthermore, Adam Jones is anything of a certainty. After being four months removed from surgery to repair a herniated disk in his neck, Jones only recently changed into a soft collar. How will he respond during the regular season? He says he'll be ready, but most injured players do during the offseason. Like Hall, Jones will be a free agent following the 2011 season.
Cedric Benson is a free agent -- and a certain Bengals reader just became giddy with joy (you know who you are). And while one could turn the argument of debating between signing Benson or not, the truth is this team will need a feature back. Since it seems that quality running backs can be found anywhere in the draft, from the first round to the undrafted free agents signings a few hours following the NFL Draft, running back probably won't usurp any position of need in the early rounds. Actually, pray mightily that the Bengals don't take a running back early in the 2011 NFL Draft. Example: Chris Perry (1st round of the 2004 NFL Draft) and Kenny Irons (2nd round of the 2007 NFL Draft). I don't think those players account towards Mike Browns' prized argument against increasing the scouting department.
Oh, and then there's safety. Chinedum Ndukwe, Roy Williams and Gibril Wilson will be free agents, leaving a 30-year old Chris Crocker, Reggie Nelson and Tom Nelson as your only signed safeties in 2011. They will have to draft someone and we hope it's someone with the potential to start without needing injuries on the depth chart.
In the end, does anyone actually think that Palmer will retire if he's not traded? I guess anything is possible. And you'd have to give credit to a man that sticks to his threats. If the Bengals concede to whatever Palmer's demands are, (monotone voice) like they did with Marvin Lewis, then Palmer could return and the need to find his replacement could be left for another day.
Either way, the Bengals definitely have needs right now and the quarterback position will eventually be one of them. Yet, it seems to us that the question isn't so much whether they should draft a quarterback high in the draft. It's whether there is a quarterback in the draft that you could build a franchise around?
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Not unless somebody falls into the 2nd round unexpectedly
Every QB in this draft is a project/developmental QB. So even if you take one in the 1st or 2nd round, they have to sit 1 or maybe even 2 years. So why not take a developmental QB in the 4th or 5th round? That way you don’t feel committed to them, and it allows you to draft a Franchise QB next year if one presents itself.
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Completely agree
I really feel that either Mallett, Newton or Locker have a really good chance to be there in the top of the second. You can fill a need at #4 with either DT, DE, S/CB or WR and then take your QB at #37. If you get picks for Chad and/or Palmer use them to take a QB or trade back into the first and get a guy.
Whether or not Palmer comes back, they’ll need to take a guy somewhere in rounds 2-4. I like LeFevour, but he’s unknown. If Palmer doesn’t come back, they need to get Vince Young or Kevin Kolb and STILL draft a guy in rounds 2 to 4.
by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 27, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
I do not want Mallet.
After seeing him in the Sugar Bowl he looked good in throwing but more immobile than Carson. Pure pocket passers need an Oline and they won’t get it here in Cinci. The last time we had a good Oline was in 05-06, then it was split up. Mikey didn’t want that.
Can we add a mid round option?
I’ve been preaching that lately
Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.
Veteran + LeFevour
Roll the dice and see what we got in that young man before moving on. Either he is the next QB we need or he doesn’t work out and we end up with a high draft pick anyways for the next guy. Worst case is we go middle of the pack and still not know what we have.
Go get Vince Young
I don’t think it will take too much. I think he could turn out to be a good NFL quarterback. He showed flashes.
Or get someone from Denver — What about Orton? Or even Quinn — I would think if given a chance he still might make it. Tebow would be a project, but could be intriguing.
There are plenty of interesting QB’s out there to bring in. The problem is still the coaching staff — I think there are QB’s with more to offer than they’ve shown so far, but who is going to bring it out of them? Same issue w/ draft pick.
by California Bengal Fan on Jan 27, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Good god, man
Vince freaking Young? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!- said in Stephen Colbert’s voice. Orton or Kolb are about the only two out there who might be worth a f***.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 27, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
A resounding NO to Vince Young
A list of other quarterbacks who have shown “Flashes” of brilliance:
Jake Plummer
Tavaris Jackson
Alex Smith
Troy Smith
David Carr
Anybody care to add other names here?
This is our year!
Seneca Wallace
Tyler Thigpen
Brody Croyle…
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 27, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I would really like us to draft a safety
I would love to see us draft a D-line guy in the first round and pick up UCLA safety Rahim Moore in the 2nd.
by sgiridharan1982 on Jan 27, 2011 1:38 PM EST reply actions
i really dont love Rahim Moore
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 27, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Rahim Moore is a good player
Saw a lot of him out here on the West Coast. Moore, Akeem Ayers and Kai Forbath were the only bright spots on a TERRIBLE UCLA team.
by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 27, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to see
someone like Kyle Orton come in and make Carson prove his worth as a starter. I don’t see that happening, though. Contrary to what some are saying I think this will turn out to be a good draft for QBs. Gabbert, Dalton, Locker, Newton, Mallet.. They’re not all going to be solid franchise QBs, but I bet at least two of them are. I know they all have knocks on them.. Locker’s performance in college was hardly outstanding, but he’s physically perfect and supposedly has off the chart intangibles. Gabbert looks solid, but may be a system qb. Mallet looks like another Rex Grossman, and nobody wants that. Expect the Bears and Redskins, apparently. Dalton and Newton both have crazy potential but have to overcome stereotypes.
If there’s a Troy Polamalu out there, he’d be my first round pick. If there’s an offensive lineman that will step in and make a difference immediately, I’d go for that. Barring those, let’s see if we can get a new franchise QB.
Bengal 1st Round QB's
2003 Overall #1 Carson Palmer
1999 #3 Akili Smith
1992 #6 David Klingler
1979 #3 Jack Thompson
1969 #5 Greg Cook
I don’t trust them to draft a 1st round QB. As a matter of fact they have drafted 33 QB’s all time and Jack Thompson is the 4th best!
Give me another 3rd rounder from “tiny” Augustana College.
Qb doesn't HAVE to happen early
I am convinced we can be successful without an elite QB. Teams have proven that over and over again. Most recently the Jets who even with an average QB have been in 2 AFC conferences championship games consecutively.
I say build the O-line, D-line, and Secondary. Get a solid RB to with Benson and run people over. With Shipley, Gresham, and Caldwell we can throw and still move the ball. I realize that takes away the exciting deep ball but I just wanna see a consistent winning team. Who cares if we have Pro bowl WRS or QB
man i'm about to say something crazy. i don't even know if i believe it.
i’m beginning to like Cam Newton. i used to not like him—partly because of the circus, partly because of his lack of experience, partly because of us not being in a situation to take a QB…
i’ve been watching highlight videos all day and the dude is pretty impressive. i don’t know if i like him at number 4, but i’m slowly becoming a fan.
//ducks
RE:
The thing I like about him is that nothing fazes the kid. He wins the Heisman and the National Championship with all of the adversity hanging over his head? Kid didn’t get rattled.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 27, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I totally agree
I’m against a quarterback at #4 in general but Newton is the only one of the available QB crop that might make me rethink that. Yeah, he may run the ball too much but, at 6’-6" and 250, he’s not as likely to be knocked silly as, say, the relatively slight Mike Vick. He’s got a huge arm, throws the deep ball with some touch, can throw on the run- which, given our o-line, is a huge plus, and in general, would be hard for opposing DCs to scheme for on a weekly basis. Why not draft Newton and then keep stockpiling the defense?
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 27, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Plus, with a new CBA in place
He’s not likely to break the bank coming out of the gate.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 27, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
watch Colin Kaepernick Nevada QB
Then tell me how much better Cam Newton is. Then if I say you need to spend a top 15 pick on Newton or a 3rd round pick on Kaepernick. Who do you want now?
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 27, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Newton
Kaepernick is raw, skinny, and inaccurate. Plus, he played at Nevada- versus Newton’s SEC.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 27, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I hear ya
he’s a scary prospect cause he’s raw and all of the off-field problems, but the kid is a winner. He’s got more tools than Tebow and Tebow showed late in the year that he can win in the NFL. I have a feeling that the Bengals will take him, but it will be at the top of the 2nd.
by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 27, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think that may be too late
Perhaps we can trade Carson and/or Chad for another later first rounder and do it that way?
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 27, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I would give a testicle for Fairley in the 1st
If Newton is there in the 2nd I can see that. Or a Safety. We need a safety with the possiblilty of losing JJ or Hall
I'm there with ya
He’s the ONLY QB I would consider drafting in the 2nd round if he fell to us. However, I think he’ll be long gone by then and 4 is too high for him.
Unless we get a mid 1st round draft pick from a trade, I don’t think he’ll end up in Cincinnati
This is our year!
No to a QB in the first two rounds (unless it's Newton in rd 2)
First, I think Carson will be back. If he retires, more power to him, but there simply aren’t many guys in the NFL (or anywhere in the world) that would turn down $50 million dollars to play football. But if he leaves, I would rather find a stop gap QB (Marc Bulger anyone?) and play the Luck lottery next year.
Despite how bad things seem right now, I don’t think that it’s time to hit the panic button and blow up a team that won the division 2 years ago. Let’s not get desperate and draft a QB just because there ‘might’ be a hole there.
This is our year!
i can subscribe to this line of thinking.
i’m interested to see if we make any trades on draft day to move up and get Newton. i know that’s not MB’s forte, but he did surprise me with the Reggie Nelson trade—turned out to be a pretty good trade too.
Bengals have more problems than
Mike Brown or Marvin Lewis have proven able to solve.
Carson Palmer either was hung out to dry by the brain trust by forcing him to throw to receivers that didn’t run their routes well; or Carson is just a bad QB.
Either is very bad for the franchise.
QB is the most important position for any NFL team. This draft isn’t good for a number 4 slot like the Bengals. I see Cam Newton or nobody and I’m not sold on his intangibles at this point. Hopefully he’s a hard worker, smart, dedicated and all of that. Then he’d be a franchise guy.
Then you got that Oline. Guards and RT are sore spots. Need improvement.
Then the entire secondary is a shambles. Need lots of new talent.
This time next year, the Bengals might not have Hall or JJ.
Now what about the team as a whole? Knowing that CP has given up on them is pretty shocking stuff. Knowing the owner doesn’t care about their success is pretty shocking stuff, after all he’s made ZERO improvements since going 4-12. Knowing the coach caved to the owner means Marvin will have a tough time holding the locker room together.
All of these problems are too much for the suits to solve. Which part of the team they address in the draft is interesting but won’t change a thing next season. They lose and lose badly all season long.
I really wanted a bruiser DT in the first round.
Then O line, O line, O line.
We can get a QB vet and the guy will actually have time to sit in the pocket and throw accurately. O line guys also do a neato trick called RUN BLOCK.
2010 - The Year of the LOLCats.
Supposing Fairley is gone
I might be talked into Marcel Dareus at #4.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 27, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Marcel looks great to me
and he’s played in a 3-4… which explains lower sack counts. If he has an impressive combine I’d have no problem grabbing him at 4
Dareus is no blue chip player to take in the top 5
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got me
But honestly I have seen Jones in top 5 on some Big Boards. He’s a threat with the ball in his hands. His only downfall is not elite speed, and sometimes drops passes.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 27, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Who is up there from Wisconsin ?
They had the fewest penalties of any team in the entire NCAA. A player from there is ready to go and probably further along fundamentally and can make an immediate impact.
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Gabe Carimi- late first round tackle
John Moffitt- 3rd or 4th round guard.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 28, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions

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