Geoff Hobson: Speculation Is That Mike Brown Offered Marvin Lewis A Contract
Monday was mostly a quiet day on the Bengals front, aside from the speculation pouring through these very pages. After meeting with owner Mike Brown, Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis spent some time with the players in a meeting to talk about the offseason, such as upcoming CBA negotiations and what players need to do financially and physically to stay in shape. From all appearances, it sounded more like a run-of-the-mill post season (not playoffs, actually POST season) meeting that Lewis has conducted every Monday the eight years he's been in Cincinnati.
Said defensive tackle Domata Peko: “He didn’t say too much about him being here or not. I’m not sure what is going to happen. Hopefully he is here because I love playing for the guy.”
Obviously Lewis isn't going to reveal his plans to players, who would in turn reveal to all of us through Twitter. At the same time, if Lewis wanted to desperately leave Cincinnati, he would have done it at some point on Monday to put himself out on the market for potential suitors.
Everyone knows the backstory at this point. Marvin Lewis' contract is expiring and he's no longer employed. The Bengals have offered a contract extension in the past and Lewis has claimed that he's cited his demands since last year's bye week for an indoor practice facility, power to make coaching changes and an improvement within the scouting department. Since the changes weren't made dating back to last year's bye week, Lewis has yet to sign an extension. It's primarily the reason people speculate that the Lewis/Bengals marriage is headed for a divorce.
Lewis has already made plans to visit the San Francisco 49ers for a coaching vacancy, who isn't expected to hire any coaches until first hiring a general manager. Even so, as Sports Illustrated's Jim Trotter writes, the marriage wouldn't be a good fit because owner "Jed York wants an offensive-minded guy." (Note: Cincinnati's offense was slightly better than the defense throughout his tenure with the Bengals... just saying) Furthermore, along with the fact that Lewis' people were the one's that reached out to the 49ers, the suddenness of this meeting being agreed upon makes us believe that it's Lewis' way of putting pressure on Mike Brown to make him realize that he will leave if his demands aren't met, further pressuring Brown to make those decisions sooner rather than later.
...AND PRESSURE BROWN COULD BE FEELING. Additionally, if Lewis does return, then it's the clearest sign that the Bengals will be committed to providing the team with the most basic needs that mirrors other franchises who sustain more than the win-every-once-in-a-while core philosophy.
If Lewis doesn't sign, you know that the Bengals front office won't make the changes needed to, at the very least, put them on par with mostly every franchise in the league. I believe that Paul Daugherty's point nails it.
You might think that Lewis needs to go, anyway, and so what if he doesnt get the bubble, or a personnel dept, or the ability to release a few coaches from their jobs? Two of the last three years have been disasters. Eight years in one spot is a lifetime in the NFL.
But here’s the thing: If he leaves, most likely it will be because he didnt get the above concessions. All three requests are already standard operating procedure in most NFL towns where winning is a priority. So, showing Marvin the door doesnt remove the problem. It just passes it to someone else.
The biggest (and perhaps best) point in all of this is how public everything has become. By not being able to sign Lewis, it's a clear response that the Bengals have no intention on improving the scouting department, allowing the head coach to choose his own coaches or even an indoor practice facility -- the Bengals are the northernmost team without an indoor facility. Fans response with this clear message will have one of their own, further hurting Brown's bottom line, who is watching season and premium ticket holders dwindle.
We believe it's almost to the point that Brown MUST sign Lewis just to make sure that fans know that they are equally committed to bringing victories, playoffs and championships to Cincinnati. That's probably why he won't be able to.
BROWN OFFERED CONTRACT ON MONDAY. That being said, Geoff Hobson writes Monday afternoon that speculation "is that on Monday Brown made an offer to Lewis after his eighth season finished at 4-12 Sunday." Bengals play-by-play guy, a man that typically doesn't get involved in speculation, even writes that the delay in which the announcement for Lewis leaving the Bengals could "indicate negotiations."
All indications are that Lewis' future in Cincinnati will be decided on Tuesday.
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I hope
Mike low balled him and Marvin leaves.
I think Marvin is hands down the best bet for us, but there has to be change. Bob Brat needs to go more than anybody else on this team, but yet he still will have a job.
Gash.
uuuh yeah I write for the Cincinnati Enquirer. Thanks?
Does anybody think mike brown will budge on any of marvin’s demands?
It doesn’t seem like it, which is very disappointing.
by ddbumpus on Jan 3, 2011 11:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think he might compromise
Give him control over coaches, with limitations, agree to work toward practice bubble and improve personnel department, but not go full GM.
(might be wishful thinking.)
It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob. ~ The Brain
The argument is essentially that:
Mike Brown gives Marvin what he wants (a real NFL front office, a practice facility), sends message to city that he wants to win, etc. Players love Marvin. The city should respect his desire to improve management.
Or, Mike Brown is stubborn and sends a message to the world that “I don’t want to spend money to have what every other team has, I don’t care about winning,” and he finally realizes that winning = money.
And if that latter situation happens, he loses most of his fanbase.
This is why I said Marvin Lewis is leaving in the most badass way possible. He’s leaving on his own terms, rather than the organization’s, and he’s delivering an ultimatum that forces the organization to change or lose its fanbase. Mike Brown can’t hide in the shadows if Lewis leaves. He’s shown the world that Mike Brown’s organization isn’t focused on winning at the moment because it lacks those necessary things and he’ll prove to the world that Mike Brown ultimately doesn’t give a $%&@ if he leaves tomorrow. Mike Brown will have no explanation for his fans. They will leave. That means money leaves.
So Brown has no choice and I think he realizes this. That’s why he offered Lewis the contract today. We’ll see what happens but this is why I’m halfway-confident that we’re getting the changes Lewis suggested. It’s just a matter of when.
I wish I agreed
But honestly, if Lewis passes and Zim is hired, does Brown really lose his fans?
Probably not most of them.
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
To the more connected ones, probably.
But the more casual fans that somehow aren’t bandwagoners that don’t breath Bengals information, I think he loses them. That’s a pretty significant message he’s sending to the people who are listening.
er, doesn't lose the casual fans that don't really pay attention to Bengals news, just the guys like us.
If Marvin does leave, I hope it'll be with as much fuss and fingerpointing as possible.
Like most folks, I hate the sight of a messy divorce. But in this case, if Marvin leaves, then I want the biggest, nastiest mess possible. I want everyone’s attention drawn to it – casual fans, local and national media, everybody. I want a scene that will stick in everyone’s mind for years to come. Something that will become a never-ending punch line about the Bengals coast-to-coast. Only in that way will the Brown family eventually be compelled to come around to shaping up this franchise.
I've always been a big Marvin fan, I think he's done an excellent job with the shit hand he's been dealt.
I really do hope that we bring Marvin back next year for another shot. I think given the tools he requests, he could pick this team up. He’s done it before and he’ll do it again. However, if he does not get the upgraded scouting department, power over coaching staff, and indoor practice facility, I wouldn’t blame him if he left. And let me tell you, if he does leave, I wish him the utmost success wherever he goes. He’s a good coach and given the right tools at, say, Pitt, he could be very successful. Good luck to you Marvin, wherever you go.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
If mike brown refuses to make the changes Lewis asked, you can count me out as a follower of the bengals.
by ddbumpus on Jan 4, 2011 12:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Perhaps
I could understand if Marvin was asking for the world, but he isn’t. He is asking that MB commit to winning. The ball is in Mike’s court and I just don’t think Brown will change.
"Next season will be better" circa 1990
Marvin is in the Right
I am a Bengals fan thick and thin, but let me tell you Marvin Lewis is correct. If they don’t improve scouting, practice facilities and give Marvin a little say in what happens to the football team he is in charge of, you can’t blame Marvin.
Mike Brown put Marvin in the Drivers seat, but never gave him the Keys. MIKE BROWN doesn’t know how to run a football team. The last 2 decades prove that. He also needs to hore a GM while he is at it.
Mike Brown didn't give Marvin the Keys
And it’s also like he gave him a standard transmission car and said, “I’ll shift, you drive and operate the clutch and brake.” No matter how nice of a car you have, you can’t expect Marvin to drive the car to victory lane if had to yell “SHIFT YOU FAT F**K, SHIFT!!” at every turn. Could you? Then throw in Bratowski in the back seat trying to navigate the course using a 1978 texaco gas station map that Mikey Brown gave him. Oh man. Is that a train up ahead?
2010 - The Year of the LOLCats.
by UpStateMike on Jan 4, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This doesn't surprise me.
…I am guessing Mike Brown has given Lewis his “last best offer” Whether it capitulates to any of the demands regarding a practice facility and personnel. We’ll see. I do agree with above…if Marvin leaves and nothing changes, it makes Mike Brown look really bad.
Schefter is reporting Lewis is staying
That agreement could be made in next 24 hours.
holy shit
that is great news, and Schefter is rarely wrong….now we just need to know for sure, and under what “terms”
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If it's true, I just want to see Bratkowski fired
I was hoping for a complete coach overhaul but just getting a new offensive scheme in place would be enough.
If it's true, I want to hear all the details - and not just vague statements about various issues having addressed. But that's not going to happen.
- especially since it would involve announcing various people will be losing their jobs

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