MB not trading Palmer will hurt the franchise for years.

by Cry on Jan 31, 2011 8:11 PM EST

I don't need to remind anyone of 2008. Chad Johnson wanted out of Cincinnati and the Redskins were willing to give up two first round draft picks for him. Mike Brown, who runs his franchise like a dysfunctional family refused to let go of his pro-bowl receiver. Looking back, does anyone think that keeping Chad was a good idea?

We are faced with this same situation again. Carson Palmer wants to be traded and Mike Brown is having none of it. Personally, I was in the same boat as Mikey until recently. But if you think about how much different the Bengals would look today with 2 extra first rounders, how can you shy away from a similar situation.

Look at the QB landscape for the 2011 season. Who are the veteran QBs up for grabs? Kevin Kolb, Kyle Orton, Donovan McNabb, and Vince Young. Who are the teams that could be looking for QBs? The entire NFC west barring the Rams. Arguably the Redskins, Dolphins, Raiders, Titans, Panthers, and Vikings.

What does this mean for the Bengals? There are lots of teams that need a QB and Carson is (in my opinion) the best on the market. This could easily start a bidding war for Carson and we could end up getting a first and then some. There is a good core to this team but it does need pieces. We can build an 05 style line. We can replace Benson, Dhani, and/or Carson. Additional high round picks can help this team in so many ways.

I think what you do is bring youth and talent to the team and build the type of a team that a first round QB would be excited to play for in the next few years. Forget Carson, he's unhappy here and no one can blame him. Let him go to a team that would appreciate him and let him sink or swim on his own. This is what he wants and it's stubborn and stupid for MB to deny his wishes.

By "sticking to his guns" MB is hurting the team. The sooner he says Carson is on the market, the sooner the team, Carson, and his agent can start entertaining offers.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors.

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Trade Palmer, sign Orton.

Orton to a two year deal possibly 3. Look in the draft for a QB to develop to replace him. Orton could be worse, could be better, as he’s basically a stopgap QB.

by ddbumpus on Jan 31, 2011 8:38 PM EST reply actions

I'm ho-hum on Orton, but I do think he'd be a good fit for our run first offense

He’s a good QB primarily because he doesn’t make a lot of mistakes.

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Feb 1, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions

Orton Hears a Who Dey!

An oldie but a goodie.

Seriously I’m not that impressed by Orton either.

by BonnieBengal on Feb 1, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions

I like this plan, if anyone has any interest in Palmer.

by indesignkat on Feb 1, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions

There's not really any doubt that there is interest in Palmer.

His value might be in question, but basically the entire NFC West, the Vikings, the Dolphins, the Titans, the Redskins are all potential candidates.

The only thing stopping a trade is MB.

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Feb 2, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions

Can I ask where your getting Orton is a FA

He signed a 2 yr deal.. with them he has 1 yr left..

Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.

by C Byers on Feb 1, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions

Orton has stated that if he is with the Broncos in 2011 it will be as a starter only. He doesn’t want to ride pine behind Tebow. The Denver Post is reporting that a trade is “highly likely”..

by Cry on Feb 1, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions

i can't stand the way orton wears his sleeves..

so i’m against bringing him in. he’ll look stupid in our uniforms. we can’t have that…

by GrooveLeg on Feb 1, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions

Yea because losing 4 out of 16 games doesn't already make us look stupid enough.

by JamesShively on Feb 2, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions

exactly! imagine how much stupider we'd look with a guy wearing those sleeves! no thank you...

by GrooveLeg on Feb 3, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions

Sell low! I'm not sure now is the best time to be offering up Palmer.

by Grizzlyfox on Jan 31, 2011 8:46 PM EST reply actions

If you don't have your QB dedicated to the team how can win?

You have to get rid of Carson I can’t believe people are holding on to some these ideas. Accommodating him with changes aren’t going to change his mind. He want’s out plain and simple. You might as well get the best offer you can receive, go after Kolb, and if you get a mid-late first rounder for Carson you sign Cam Newton. Move on he wants out and will not play to the best of his abilities if he’s wearing a Bengals uniform. He just doesn’t believe he can win here. We CAN NOT have someone that important feel that way and expect to win.

by JamesShively on Jan 31, 2011 8:46 PM EST reply actions

If you trade one unhappy guy, what happens next year?

Dunlap gets 12 sacks and wants out b/c the team went 3-13. Do you trade him or keep him?

by Grizzlyfox on Jan 31, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions

Re:

Carson is a QB. He’s far more important than a defense end or any other position for that matter. I agree with making players fulfill their contracts BUT a QB is an exception. If he’s not on board than you cannot win with him.

by JamesShively on Jan 31, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions

Will he threaten retirement? Doubt it.

by Cry on Jan 31, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions

I was going to add to my post but you took the letters from my fingers. LOL.

by JamesShively on Jan 31, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions

So we can let him become an Albert Haynesworth sized problem?

W/ a typical franchise, I think you trade him. W/ the Bengals, if this works for one guy you could see anybody w/ talent make the same demand.

by Grizzlyfox on Jan 31, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions

Re:

You alternative is bringing back a guy that doesn’t believe he can win with the Bengals. You know the old saying “If you aim for nothing you’ll hit it every time”.. Well that’s exactly what we’d be doing by bringing Carson back. Accommodating him with new coaches isn’t going to change the fact that he doesn’t feel he can succeed in stripes.

by JamesShively on Jan 31, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions

I really like Carson but I have to agree.

If he is not committed to playing here we have to get what we can for him and move on.

by BonnieBengal on Feb 1, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions

Palmer the best on the market?

okay, let’s put that argument aside for the moment and talk strictly about salaries. Now, these are their salaries (against the salary cap) from 2009 (not sure what their 2010 salaries are – which may still be factoring in incentives) and of course Kolb may demand more money, but can’t be too much.

Kyle Orton – $1,095,000
Kevin Kolb – 1,196,905
Vince Young – $4,627,000
Carson Palmer – $14,300,000

Think about how awesome it would be to sign a stud offensive lineman which would make every skilled player look better…..

Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.

by Blue Steel on Jan 31, 2011 9:05 PM EST reply actions

+1

by ephram on Jan 31, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions

+1

by JamesShively on Jan 31, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions

We'll probably end up trading Palmer for Haynesworth.

UGGGGGH

by ddbumpus on Jan 31, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions

logan mankins

That’s a good idea, probably too good an idea that mikey will screw it up. Mankins would fill a need at lg

by gpcu02 on Feb 1, 2011 11:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

If they can get Carson on board

to stay next season then we should. And do you really think anyone will want to give high picks for him? The alternative QB’s are younger and cheaper. Carson has a few years, but he’s ungodly expensive. I don’t see anyone giving us a round 1 pick honestly

by aguy on Jan 31, 2011 9:30 PM EST reply actions

Carson can and will renegotiate his contract.

He has a good 4 years in the tank and a lot of these teams want to plug a veteran in now to groom a younger QB. Take Arizona for instance, they really like Max Hall and John Skelton but need time to groom them.

And yes, several of these teams will be willing to offer a first rounder, I’m sure of it. But even if they don’t a couple second rounders and a conditional 4/5 would be welcome.

by Cry on Jan 31, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions

Also

apparently he’s willing to retire… so going somewhere new for less money isn’t the most ridiculous idea posited…

by The Dealio on Feb 1, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions

I say let CP go.

I believe CP is burnt out here in Cincy. He needs a new start somewhere else. We are in a rebuilding stage anyway. Get a young QB in the draft and get a vet for MUCH lesser then CP and go from there. Free up some doe spend it wisely and see what the next two years bring.

by i am will on Jan 31, 2011 10:11 PM EST reply actions

Talkin' bout Ocho.....

There are very few players I wouldn’t move for two first round picks. Insane that he turned that down.

by Stanley1 on Jan 31, 2011 10:19 PM EST reply actions

yea, worst non-move ever...

by The Dealio on Feb 1, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions

(cough akili smith cough)

Cough*Mike Ditka* Cough

Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.

by C Byers on Feb 1, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions

Four words, an abbreviation and another word

Tendonitis of the elbow.

DNP. Questionable.

by keithster on Jan 31, 2011 10:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

I don't think Carson is going anywhere in 2011

But that doesn’t mean Mikey Boy shouldn’t shop him around. If you get some team that REALLY, REALLY wants him, and is offering some healthy picks, then pull the trigger. Free up some cash and get some fresh meat in.

Chad should be a Redskin. 2 first round picks and you turn it down? He’s worth a happy meal right now. TO is better than him, as proven on the field. But this mentality is what will cost us over and over again.

Chad would have gone to the skins, like TJ went to Seattle, then Baltimore.

For a businessman, Mike Brown doesn’t know jack about the sell high part, just the buy low.

2010 - The Year of the LOLCats.

by UpStateMike on Feb 1, 2011 5:07 AM EST reply actions

He knows about it

he just knows that by keeping talented player, fans will be disillusioned into thinking we could do well and buy things from him. He knows business, just not football

by aguy on Feb 1, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions