Draft Talk. Round 2 Poll

I like ILB Martez Wilson and OLBs Justin Houston, Von Miller, and Mason Foster. I’m not sold on Greg Jones. Martez would be available in the 2nd but I don’t think we need that position at all- and certainly not that high. Houston and Miller are gone unless we trade down- and I’ve seen some mocks with Miller going as high as #3. Foster may be available later but isn’t an urgent need for us.

We really need a disruptor on the interior of the d-line. Obviously, Fairley would be the best bet but I think Marvin Austin might do in a pinch. Probably have to grab him in the second and probably wouldn’t if we’d grabbed Bowers in the first. Phil Taylor is a prototypical nose guard- a Vince Wilfork or Shawn Rogers wide load, that I’m not sure would fit in our 4-3. You know how I love the big fellas but it just doesn’t seem a fit. Stephen Paea is another interior lineman but I’m not all that impressed with him. What about Jarvis Jenkins out of Clemson?

There’s quite a few good guards out there. Clint Bolling from Georgia, John Moffitt from Wisconsin, and Danny Watkins from Baylor all play with a nasty streak which I like a great deal. I like Marcus Cannon’s size but, to be truthful, I haven’t seen much tape of him and don’t have a real good feel for how he plays the position.

Safety is a huge need. My favorite is DeAndre McDaniel. Yeah, he’s got an attitude, he’s cocky, but he makes plays and I think Zim could channel that aggression into an Ed Reed type player. I think Rahim Moore out of UCLA is better than he’s rated, primarily because of playing on an otherwise horrid Bruins defense. I’m not sold on Tyler Sash- I think he’s another Tom Nelson. Ahmad Black is a bit undersized but always seems to be at the heart of the action. Robert Sands is huge and a big hitter but he may be a bit slow to play at this level- that’ll probably depend on the combine. Will Hill is intriguing in the later rounds.

I think, regardless of whether Carson is back or not, we don’t grab a quarterback in the first two rounds and, after that, only Kaepernick actually has the potential to one day run the offense.

So, if we’re gonna assume Carson’s back and no significant extra picks from moving Chad, I’d like something like this:

1: Bowers
2. DeAndre McDaniels
3. Colin Kaepernick
4. John Moffitt or Clint Bolling
5. Greg Little or Terrance Tolliver
6. Justin Boren
7. Alex Henery or Kai Forbath.

Wishlist:

Round 1, DT – Nick Fairley, Marcell Dareus, Marvin Austin, Stephen Paea
Round 2, OT/G – Joseph Barksdale, Rodney Hudson, Gabe Carimi
Round 3, WR – Randall Cobb, Tandon Doss, Greg Little
Round 4, SS – Tyler Sash, Jeron Johnson, Shiloh Keo
Round 5, ILB – Casey Matthews, Alex Wujciak, Josh Bynes
Round 6, DE – Ryan Winterswyk, Pierre Allen, Greg Romeus
Round 7, RB – Taiwan Jones, Noel Devine, Evan Royster, John Clay

I’d like to take a DE and OT in free agency with the cap space losing Carson will free up.

Rnd 1 (4) – A.J. Green WR UGa
Rnd 2 (55) – (I would trade back here, aquire another 4th round pick) Ahmad Black S FL
Rnd 3 (67) – John Moffitt G/C Wisconsin
Rnd 4 (100, 115 &120 (trade Chad)) – Delone Carter RB Syracuse, Owen Marecic FB Stanford, Mason Foster OLB Washington
Rnd 5 (133) – Ricky Stanzi QB Iowa
Rnd 6 (166) – Markus White, DE, Fl St
Rnd 7 (199) – Josh Thomas CB – Buffalo

okay, here’s my question. Since it’s apparent we may not get Fairley, what other DT prospects are out there? And are there any who will be better than Peko/Sims/Atkins?

1. Bowers.
2. Marcus Cannon or Stephen Wisniewski
3. Marvin Austin
4. Greg Little
5. Josh Bynes
6. A RB. No particular preference here.
7. Greg McElroy. I didn’t think he’d fall this far until he broke his throwing hand. Now that he’ll be rusty at the combine, he could easily fall to this spot.

with so many unknowns. Who do we target in FA? Is Carson gonna stick around, get traded, retire, or get released? What about Chad? What about JJ? What about Benson?

Depending how those situations play out, you have to draft accordingly. You also have to draft, offensively, accordingly to who your OC is. We currently do not have an OC.

I’m somewhat encouraged that we won’t go defense over Green by reports that blame the offense for the defensive problems. I don’t agree with that, but still would like Green in the 1st. Take Green, and as long as Carson is sticking around, draft oline and defense the rest of the way.

1. Robert Quinn- to bulk up and play opposite Dunlap in tandem with MJ93. Dude is like butter rushing the passer.
2. Marcus Cannon- because he’s a giant
3. DeAndre McDaniels
4. Greg Little
5. Kendrick Burney
6. Taiwan Jones
7. Kai Forbath

I don’t want him really high, but it would be cool in the 10-15 range.

Some teams are really scared about his personality and wreckless play

Emphasis on Early round safety. (2-3)
Mid round interrior OL, (3rd-4th)
Mid round LB (4-5)
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We need another DE,
We need another WR
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Now question I’d like people to elaborate on. The QB situation.
If Cam Newton or Mallett fall to 2nd do we consider it at least?
And if not, is it important to at least look into it a qb sometime earlier, since Carson seems to have no interest in being here?

If a new cba is not reached before the draft. Then teams will just assume that all of their free agents are gone and out of their plans. So when draft day comes around teams are gonna fill their holes.

So we have to assume free agents will be low priority.

I dunno enough about the back-of-the-pack guys to say I want this player or that player, but I’m not sure about our LB situation as you guys seem to be. If Dhani is let go and Brandon Johnson goes elsewhere for starter money, you need to take at least one guy, either draft or FA. I don’t have faith in the Michael Johnson experiment and I feel like we’d stunt his development moving him to OLB after he started coming on towards the end of the year as a pass-rushing DE.

So, I want Fairley. It’s possible we can get him as Denver seems to be taking Peterson and if they don’t take him and take Fairley, they’re dumb as hell (though with Fox coming in, that defense could shift back to a 4-3 and then they’d need all the personnel they can get for a 4-3, but that’s also dumb as hell as they’d ruin a decent 3-4 LB corps). That’s basically it. If we don’t get him, I could care less about who we pick because it won’t be a need but just kind of a frugality. Sure, you draft Bowers. What does he do on third-down scenarios when we bring Johnson in? Sure, you draft A.J. Green. Whose playing time do you take and do you shove SImpson back down the depth chart again? Sure, you draft Patrick Peterson, do you risk tweaking him or do you just tell Hall or Jones or Joseph that they mean next to nothing?

And then there’s the QB but let’s get Palmer’s situation sorted out before we say anything on drafting one of those guys. If he still wants to leave, let him leave, or draft his replacement. If he feels like staying, wait until next year. Landry Jones and Andrew Luck make a decent class and not every team is going to be as needy as we are this year.

Second round should be a guard or a tackle converted to guard. Basically interior linemen again. If no good picks (which shouldn’t be possible, there are a ton of tackles that can convert as well as a ton of actual guards themselves) present themselves, go safety, then go guard in the third (otherwise guard, then safety).

Fourth through sixth round should be BPA, and seventh round should at least look into kickers.

Everybody else should too.

Just an update for everyone

After a long close race, A.J. Green is in the lead of the poll.

We have a two 3rd rounders because we dealt Chad.

(even if you don’t want one, give me your input on WHICH QB you would draft at that pick)

Let’s say the available QB’s are
Kaepernick
Dalton
Devlin
Stanzi
Ponder
McElroy

Who would you draft?

Why.

No technique whatsoever.

of this kid, well not so much a kid really, from Baylor, Danny Watkins. Guy was a firefighter in the wilds of British Columbia until he went for a fire management course at Butte Community College in California. While he was there, he was talked into playing football and ended up doing two years there before getting a D-1 scholly in Waco. He’s an aggressive, nasty guard- 6’-4", 315, not a behemoth like Cannon. Probably available in the early 4th. Trouble is; dude’s 27. Now, he doesn’t have the wear and tear of a lifetime of football, so his longevity might be a little longer than one might normally suspect. He’s extremely tough, high character and, as a late-rounder, maybe cheap enough to take a shot on. Reminds me a little- in what little film and Senior Bowl footage I’ve seen, of Eric Steinbach. Anyone?

so, since we’re probably not going to get Fairley, and I know a few of you mentioned there weren’t any stellar DT’s coming out this year – besides Fairley – who would be an improvement over what we already have. Have any of you heard of Kenrick Ellis and what are your thoughts on him? 6-4, 335 lbs of what looks like a lot of bulk, could he possibly be a good pickup in one of the middle rounds?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/567576-2011-nfl-draft-prospects-20-players-who-will-be-on-the-rise#page/13

carried a very athletic 350+ frame

I keep hearing it but keep laughing everytime