Reports With Updates: Bengals Are Expecting Marvin Lewis To Return
by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 4, 2011 10:54 AM EST
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PrintCincinnati's head coaching situation is summarized like this. Marvin Lewis didn't sign a contract extension that he was offered last year because he demanded an indoor practice facility, upgraded scouting department and the power to choose his own coaches. Once those issues were worked out, then Marvin Lewis would be more inclined to sign an extension to remain as the Bengals head coach.
And according to Adam Schefter, the Bengals are expecting Marvin Lewis to sign with the Bengals within the next 24 hours as the two sides close negotiations.
Bengals expect HC Marvin Lewis now will remain in Cincinnati. The two sides expect to resolve any issues within next 24 hours.
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If Brown just capitulated to Lewis' demands, this might be the greatest day in Bengals history. Not that we're overreacting or anything.
UPDATE: The Enquirer's Joe Reedy confirms most of Schefter's report, saying that a decision is close but "a lot of considerations" are "in the air".
NFL source on Lewis and #bengals: "He's close to a decision but there still are a lot of considerations in the air."
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We assume that the considerations are Lewis' demands being fulfilled.
UPDATE: The Mothership Captain Geoff Hobson writes that no agreement has been made yet.
Despite reports the Bengals expect head coach Marvin Lewis to return, there was no agreement after a Tuesday morning meeting and the sides were expected to meet again before noon to re-convene discussions.
It's believed that there are a variety of issues at play in the negotiations centering around the staffing and scouting and how the March 4 end of the collective bargainning agreement impacts them.
UPDATE: The Mothership updates the reports, writing that both sides have met twice Tuesday morning:
Despite reports the Bengals expect head coach Marvin Lewis to return, there was no agreement after two Tuesday morning meetings and it wasn't known if or when the two sides would meet again.
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I'll believe it when I see it
I don’t doubt that Lewis will remain but I do question Brown agreeing to Marvin’s demands. I want to see it reported what Brown has agreed to besides money.
And then I want to see Brat fired.
+2
You earn an extra point for that Bratkowski hatred
by DavidFulcher on Jan 4, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Adam Schefter is an idiot...
Adam Schefter will report both sides of a rumor just so he can be right.
Let's wait...
Hearsay occurs all the time and its impossible to differentiate the static. I wish reporters would focus more on accuracy than immediacy. Thats what blogs are for.
by DavidFulcher on Jan 4, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Schefter does not blatantly lie.
He follows (and spreads) rumors, but if he reports this firmly that something is expected to happen, he believes it. And he has the best NFL sources in the world.
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
RE:
That’s absolutely true. Of all the insiders, Glazier, Mort and Schefter often report what’s about to happen. It doesn’t always end up true, but they have a very good success rate.
But I also agree with Fulcher, let’s what to see what happens.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 4, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
schefter is probably hte best source for breaking NFL news today
he’s very very rarely wrong…..
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could be the biggest and greatest Bengals news in my era
This could mean Mike Brown is making changes!
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Assuming this happens
This has to be the most excited a fanbase has ever been in response to a team handing an extension to a coach after a 4-12 season.
Yes, I realize that sentence is a bit of a trainwreck.
Haha, true
but that doesn’t diminish my excitement
Marvin understands the needs of this franchise better than anybody.
I can’t imagine that he’d be signing a deal unless MB’s making concessions that he truly believes can lead to a shift in the culture of this team. I would hope that he has more pride than to stay under the status quo.
People have been talking about scouts, updated facilities, etc, but I think the most important potential change would be control over the coaching staff. Bye-bye Brat (I hope)!
I'm worried about a Brat firing
Only because it would irk Zim, who might get tapped for a head coaching job elsewhere
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
That said,
I don’t actually think Zim would leave. Brat getting let go would just open the door for the possibility.
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
RE: Zimmer
Don’t be surprised if Zimmer finds himself as a candidate as a HC somewhere this year.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 4, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Zimmer
Josh would MB have to allow Zimmer to go even though he is under contract?
I guess if you forced him to stay that would worse than allowing him to go.
"Next season will be better" circa 1990
I'm pretty sure
that MB would have to give permission to another team to even interview Zim, let alone hire him. I could be wrong, though.
Yes
Mike Brown isn’t evil. For those that know him, all say he’s a genuinely a good guy. Our beef is the team’s success; not his moral compass.
If Zimmer had a chance to become a head coach, not only do I think Brown would let him interview (and go if he got it), I think Brown would actually be happy for him.
And the rumor is Carolina.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 4, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
shiiiiiit
i didn’t bring an umbrella today Josh, can you not rain on my parade just yet ;)
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Lol.
Sorry. But in fairness, the rumor is so in a rumor stage that I have no intention on posting it on the front page — aside from the whole “speculation on Zimmer’s future” idea… but that’s for another day.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 4, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
This makes me really want Harbaugh to come to the NFL.
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
MB has to be asked for permission under two conditions:
A) if our season wasn’t over (but it is)
B) if the position being offered wasn’t a head coach or GM (with final roster approval power) position.
If, for example, somebody wanted our strength coach as WR coach, they’d have to ask permission. If they want Zimmer as the head coach, they do not have to ask.
oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please
let this be true and let it be because mike brown gave marvin all or at least most of what he wanted.
the only reason to keep Brat is...
The CBA. If one isn’t reached until late August. There will be no minicampd and maybe 2 weeks of training camp. So if an entirely new offense is the way we go, the team will have 2 weeks to learn it. While other teams would be full steam ahead
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 4, 2011 11:11 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
That's actually a really good point.
However, if we can’t win with Brat, why not let next season slide and get used to a new offense ASAP?
It depends on whether or not you think this team has a fighting chance with Bob B as the OC. They’ve won with him in the reg season, so it’s possible.
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
2 weeks is probably better than what brat did 10 years here.
by bengalinflorida on Jan 4, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Actually that's a GREAT point
Thinking outside the box, eh, Joe? Well done.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 4, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
unless the replacement is Zampese
I don’t think a complete overhaul is absolutely necessary…it might be enough just to change the playcalling. Zampese would be a new voice, knows Carson & the staff as well as anyone, and would be able to (hopefully) plug in some fresher ideas into how the plays are called in
That's another great point.
My opinion of Zampese (and Palmer) has taken a huge turn since the disintegration of the TOcho disaster. Palmer looks like he used to, and the offense ran smoothly except for some odd playcalling.
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
mike sheppard
Has OC experience. Im trying to find where… my memory is failing me
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 4, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
RE:
San Diego (1997-98), Buffalo (2001) and New Orleans (’05).
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 4, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I don't care if they keep Brat
I don’t even care if they keep Brat around for another season. MB giving into Marvin is the single GREATEST news I have heard all year.
Marvin can deal with Brat as needed.
Can we believe we actually might have a real NFL team now. That is HUGE!
"Next season will be better" circa 1990
ummm false
one of Marvin’s demands was to have control over his staff…..so he can kick Brat to the curb! He tried a few years ago w/H.Jackson and MB trumped him. Marvin staying and Brat leaving IMO are one in the same…
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he's the biggest of my worries
well again, one in the same….i think we need to keep Marvin = get’s his demands and then first order of business will be FIRE BRAT. Maybe Marvin will do it in his press conference to announce he’s staying. Tell me that wouldn’t get the City/Fanbase behind him again
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Gotta add mine...
He’s the biggest worry on the Offensive side of the ball
"Bratkowski-- Off with his head!!!"
Marvin for GM
What Brown needs to do you is look in the mirror and see how embarassed he should be for the last 20 years. He should move Marvin up to GM, hire a new head coach and OC,expand the scout dept., pony up and build an indoor practice facility and sit back, shut up and enjoy the success this franchise would have. This team has a great fan base that is losing patience with Brown… it is time for major change! Either that or force Brown to sell the franchise!
Joe Reedy is such a debbie downer.
I think the only player he liked on the team was Cedric Benson. Did you ever look at the grades he handed out after the game? Always seemed like Ced would get some kind words.
This could be the single greatest news for the Bengals since
Well ever since Mike Brown took over. I just only hope that Mike gives Marvin everything he wants and this can open the door for the Bengals to be in the modern day NFL.
The problem I see with Brown agreeing to Marvin's demands...
…is not only that he would be reluctant to do it, but I don’t know how you put those things in a contract.
Lewis will have to depend on MBs word.
maybe he gave lewis a free box of popcorn.
by bengalinflorida on Jan 4, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Now that's actually funny.
Well played.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 4, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
It's not very difficult.
If by year X there is no indoor practice facility, Marvin receives a 5 million dollar bonus.
If by year X Marvin is not allowed to spend up to 2 million dollars on additional scouts, Marvin receives a 5 million dollar bonus. Etc.
But I can't imagine any owner...
…much less Mike Brown agreeing to pay out bonuses if they don’t spend money.
NOT SO FAST
No contract has been signed, and negotiations are still pending.
I don’t think Mike Brown will be too quick to cave to Marvin’s demands. I’m assuming these discussions will continue for at least a day and no decision will be made on Marvin’s part until he himself sees it in writing.
I like the direction this is headed, but until I see Brat gone and a few scouts hired, I don’t believe a word of it.
by bengal fan from new york on Jan 4, 2011 11:28 AM EST reply actions
RE:
True.
And in all fairness, these discussions have been going on, at least reportedly, since last year’s bye week when Brown approached Lewis about an extension.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 4, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Give him what he wants
He’s the only person in the back office that makes it all credible – they don’t come by that often (at least not in Ohio).
i wonder if
one of the demands was for a new medical team? We should be so lucky.
Not So Fast My Friends
This Comes Strait From The Mothership Site: Lewis, Bengals mull
By GEOFF HOBSON
Posted 14 minutes ago
a a Despite reports the Bengals expect head coach Marvin Lewis to return, there was no agreement after a Tuesday morning meeting and the sides were expected to meet before noon to reconvene discussions.
OK,
but to me, that sounds more like dodgy reporting than the Schefter tweet. Hobson is reporting that nothing official is done (which we already knew), but Schefter wrote that a team source told him Marvin would stay. That tells me they’re hashing out details that have been verbally agreed upon.
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Geoff Hobson runs the Bengals Official NFL site...
he is paid by the Bengals to be a homer,Adam is paid to just report who and whatever,think you kinda gotta go with Hobson,dont you think?
actually I would think the opposite
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 4, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Me too, Joe Good
Another way to word it is that Hobson is paid to keep things under wraps that are not official Bengals statements, and Schefter is paid to report what he is very confident is true. Hobson’s reporting has less to to with truth; he is a PR guy. Schefty is a journalist. He could be wrong, yes, but my days as a college journalist are leading me to believe Schefter. This is precisely the kind of situation where the Bengals want to keep a lid on something, but know they can’t deny anything. Any report that comes out HAS to be responded with “Nothing is official at this point.” Schefter cited a team source. Check his track record.
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, but what Geoff says HAS to be true.
Thus, Geoff can’t say whether it’s looking one way or the other, unless if it’s basically a done deal. Schefter can say that Marvin is expected back, and call it a rumor, so long as the consensus is that Marvin is coming back, even if the deal isn’t done yet.
RE:
Well, he did write last night that “speculation is that Mike Brown offered Marvin Lewis a contract.”
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 4, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, so I took that to mean that MB had offered Marvin a contract. Which it appears that he had.
I could be completely wrong, FWIW. But I did call Marvin coming back and Jerome not sucking, so I deserve the benefit of the doubt, lol.
Like we didn't already know that.
The questions were always “what are the terms?” And “will Marvin accept it?”
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
True
But the point is that Hobson WILL point out something as speculation on his end.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 4, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Plus
it’s no secret that the Bengals want Marvin back and if you really get into the symantecs of the words Schefter used….it basically just says the Bengals expect Marvin to come back…which we already knew they did- but on their terms not his
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Rarely are team sources used to report something official
the entire point of using an anonymous team source is to enable a report of something that is unofficial but also extremely likely to become official in the near future.
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
possibly
to get Marvin suitors out of the picture and give MB more time to negotiate terms?
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Now THAT's possible
Marvin’s only leverage is that there are other jobs out there. If that pool dries up because of a bogus report sent out by the Bengals, he’ll have fewer cards to play.
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Actually
A lot of NFL insiders are from respective teams. For example, someone in the Bengals front office could have told Schefter exactly what’s happening but wanted to remain nameless for the time being in case something falls apart and then they could have just denied the whole thing.
This is how a majority of their reports come to light.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 4, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I dont think anyone in the front office
has a clue whaat goes on in the windmills of Mike Browns mind
That might be true..
But I’m pretty sure that Katie is heavily involved in what’s going on here.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 4, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Josh
if it was cut and dry for today,I dont see why they got to come back at noon,I would think the foundation was set yesterday,but ML reps send a feeler to the niners,now dont you think that would help how,pressure MB? Hardly,we know Mikey cant be pressured,ask Chad,and owners that vote on subjects that only Mikey wont sign off on,so this tells me that Adam is only reporting “hear say”,i truely believe in the Bengals official site report,which is nothing to report and their still at the table.
If you truly believe that the Bengals site wouldn't be vague just to be safe,
then you must never have followed a sports news development in the past decade.
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
That's my point.
There’s no need to believe there’s really any ambiguity within the organization.
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe
But the pressure on Brown from Lewis right now is far more pressure than what Chad or the owners or even the county has ever given to Brown. Consider that Lewis went public with his demands. Also consider that Brown is losing far more premium and season ticket holders than he’s picking up.
If Brown doesn’t sign Lewis, then what comes out of it for fans to absorb is that Brown won’t do what is necessary to at least do what other successful teams are doing because of the basic needs that Lewis is demanding.
Chad and the owners have/had no leverage on Brown. None. Absolutely none. Lewis put Brown in a position to make public whether or not he wants to do what’s necessary to sustain a winning formula.
As for the site: PFT and NFL Insiders break 95% of the major stories involving Cincinnati for the past eight years — for as long as I’ve been doing this at least. And no, that stat isn’t actually scientific.
And I think that’s the biggest different.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 4, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Problem here is Josh
Everyone knows all this,and lets not forget,Mikey isnt gonna be running this team much longer,I think Katie handles alot of the responsibilties now,and the torch will be passed down to her at some point,I think knowing that is enough for ML,but to be the only team without a indoor facility in the northern states is clearly a issue that needs addressed,and lets face it,if ML says I want Chad back,I think their is gonna be a problem and ML is gonna say thats not giving me player control,so you see its nip n tuck battle,lets just hope they do have a common ground.
Another thing to think about is the internet
Since Lewis has taken over things like social media and blogs have taken off. Now everyone can have their opinion out there to be heard.
I’m sure he’s feeling 10x the amount of pressure he ever has.
by Throw the ball on Jan 4, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Dont forget this little tid bit
Marvin has jobs waiting on him,so hes not in a pressure situation,Mikey on the other hand is,like some have pointed out,ML has went public on the demands,so the next HC will also,not many are gonna wanna work in those conditions,as a team,you must give the HC regardless who it is all the tools to be successful,thats not the case here,its make a few dollars anyway you can and keep the ball rolling.
so maybe Schefter is hittin that for some inside tips?
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 4, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
DUDE?!
Just… dude.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 4, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
LOLOLOL
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I just wish they would get this done.
I need to get some work done, but it’s not a pressing matter, so I’ve put it on the back burner to engage in Marvin speculation. Of course, in about 6 hours when I realized I’ve wasted 6 possible hours of work I’ll be pizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzed.
I'm doing EXACTLY the same thing.
Productivity among Bengals fans must be at an all time low.
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Even if they are still at the table
The fact they are even talking still is huge. I would take that as a good sign. Watching Marvin after Sundays loss, I would never have believed they would get this far. So I choose to stay positive that he will come back.
"Next season will be better" circa 1990
Exactly
You kind of got that feeling the longer we went without any news on Monday, you know?
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 4, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
It's true...
…as long as Marvin doesn’t walk out, it means Mike must be saying something worth hearing.
Ditto that
The longer this goes on the better IMO
It means something must be getting done. Please Mike Boy…. prove that you’re not as crazy as Al Davis
by Throw the ball on Jan 4, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Hell,
even Al relinquished a lot of his control recently when he realized what he had done to his baby. Sources there suggest he didn’t make the 2010 draft picks.
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I might just take out an ad in the enquirer
If this happens I might just buy an ad thanking Marvin Lewis.
"Next season will be better" circa 1990
to be honest, for most of this year i looked forward to Marvin's exit.
i just think back to all the undisciplined players committing stupid penalties, the poor clock management, the poor use of timeouts, the number of times i’ve said that i can’t wait for the culture of the team to change. i pinned that all on Marvin. i know i’m not alone.
that being said, i really do think that if Marvin is brought back in the culture will change and that it will be the thing we look back on and say “this is when things started to get better”. given the circumstances, Marvin’s return would indicate that Mikey Boy is willing to let somebody else make decisions about the team. that’s revolutionary stuff right there. i think Marvin knows what this team needs to win and i’m thrilled that he’s coming back.
well its not just one spot this team has issues
I dont have time to write it all,but you can actually go to every spot and see problems,so whoever comes in,will need to start from scratch,he wont have much choice in the matter.
They updated it again
2nd meeting is over, no aggrement has been reached yet….and no timetable for resuming talks….UH-OH
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Source?
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by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
RE:
http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/No-call-yet-on-Lewis/002ac20a-0ebe-4840-bbdb-e714c5ca36a9
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 4, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Just found it on the Bengals site
Nothing damning, but it doesn’t look as certain as it did. Hobson’s still playing dumb, but I thought we’d have more by now.
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
playing dumb?
what part didnt you understand of if or when another meeting of the sides didnt you understand,and Hobson doesnt sugar coat it,negotiations are centering around the staffing and scouting and how the March 4 end of the collective bargainning agreement impacts them.
I didnt see any of that on Adams tweets,did you?
No I get that.
Obviously Hobson knows more than he’s saying, so that’s annoying. Also, for whatever this clown is worth (IMO not much, but he may have something here):
http://www.whodeyrevolution.com/whodeyrevolution/2011/01/not-so-fast-on-lewis-returning.html
Says Marvin is walking away. We’ll see.
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Or at least LAST decade...
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by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
No, because it's about the way the team is run.
Just like the actual teams have evolved, so has the business side of constructing one effectively. Just like the ’72 Dolphins or ’85 Bears would be absolutely schooled by a modern NFL team, so would the organizations of the past be run over by the machine-like NFL franchises of today. If it were the 80s, Brown would be able to compete.
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
I can remember
When they did a interview with Mike Brown on his team going to the Superbowl,he was upset about it,because he knew more money would have to be spent on the team because of its success,now that should of been the first warning sign of things to come.
WhoDeyRevolution
Claims that they have “a source close to Marvin” that says he won’t be back because the negotiations failed….
+
i think mike browns middle name is failed.
by bengalinflorida on Jan 4, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think Marvin has made his point here
I think he had to show the world about this franchise and its state of mind,I think Marvin didnt want people to just look at his record,in which he set a team record in loses as coach,but to show people that the team did not apply the proper tools to be successful,if Marvin is truely gone,I pity the next coach that comes in,and as bad as it looks,they will be a guy that comes just because he needs a chance to be a NFL HC,and it can be done,I know,I seen a biography of just such a guy that didnt get a break as a NFL coach,and went to one of the worst franchises just to get a chance,ohhh his name you ask,well his name went into history books as one of the best,his name,Vince Lombardi.
That post has been up a while now and still has zero corroboration
And there has been no reversal from ESPN, Reedy, et al. Of course, that may be because they don’t want to change stances after sounding so sure, unless negotiations are truly over. This makes them look bad, so they won’t switch until they have tons of proof.
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
It’s just getting old reading all the back and forth. It’d just be nice if this was an easy, clean negotiation and Marvin gets most or all of his reasonable demands. Of course, with the Browns/Blackburns, nothing is easy. I can just picture Marvin sitting there explaining to them what he wants and Katie retorts with a firm stance in the way she did with Andre Smith’s agent, Alvin Keels, on “Hard Knocks”…
by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 4, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
none of this should really surprise us
I mean, how many 1st round negotiations have we watched drag on and on way beyond they should have just because ownership gets hung up on some stupid negotiating point.
This is the problem with a team whose owners are all lawyers by trade, they just can’t get past the contract.
Agreed
GREAT point. It’s probably something SO lame that is holding the whole thing up.
by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 4, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rather than being lame,
I’d imagine the key sticking point is Bratkowski.
I literally started laughing in my office
when I read “SO lame.” Pure gold, man.
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 2:34 PM EST reply actions
That's a reply to BengalAnthony13, FYI
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by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Schefter on twitter (one minute ago)
Lewis left the Bengals complex when the two sides could not agree on franchise’s direction and his future there is in serious jeopardy.
yep
Not looking good. Wonder what the hangup is.
Same old Cyanide, new look.
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 4, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
30 minutes after he tweets that they just need to bang out the final details.
My guess is that Marvin is posturing because MB didn’t want to fully give in to his demands. He’s made it very clear that it’s his way or he’s out of there. The money is probably good, they may have agreed on a practice facility in the next couple years, but I’m sure that maybe changes in the coaching staff.. or bringing in scouts.. or some small detail has been denied and Marvin walked out to show he wasn’t playing games.
by Cry on Jan 4, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Another perspective on Shefters original report
If it was a team source in the meetings who said he was likely to come back, it may have been a situation where whatever the open issue was after Monday, the team considered it minor or something they knew they wouldn’t move on and just assumed that Marvin was going to given in, so they said he was likely to come back.
It may have just been a situation where Lewis came in today and stuck to his guns on whatever the open issue was and they reached an impasse.
That would make both reports technically correct, but just a measure of ownerships delusion.
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