Andy Dalton vs. Sam Bradford and Peyton Manning Through Week Six Updated stats
by Throw the ball on Oct 16, 2011 11:32 PM EDT
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PrintI came up with the idea to start tracking Andy Dalton's rookie season vs. Sam Bradford and Peyton Manning's rookie seasons while replying to one of the post game posts. I picked Manning and Bradford as those are 2 of the last quarterbacks I remember that got drafted to bad teams and were expected to start and succeed (to a point) from day 1.
I feel like Andy Dalton is doing an amazing job and I wanted to see if the numbers back me up. I will continue to update this throughout the season.
Peyton Manning came into the league drafted #1 overall to a hapless Colts team. Manning was thought of as one of the most complete QB's to ever come out of college. These are Manning's stats through the first 6 games of his rookie campaign.
Yards: 1,364
Completions: 113
Attempts: 210
YPG: 227.3
TD's: 6
INT's: 14
Y/A: 6.5
Y/C: 12.1
Completion: 54.4%
QB Rating: 55.7
Sam Bradford was also drafted #1 overall to a team that had left it's glory days back at the turn of the century. Bradford was praised for his great footwork and accuracy, as well as good pocket presence. Many analysts said he might be the most sure-fire prospect since Peyton Manning. These are Bradford's stats through the first 6 games of his rookie campaign.
Yards: 1,357
Completions: 133
Attempts: 234
YPG: 226.2
TD's: 7
INT's 8
Y/A: 5.8
Y/C: 10.2
Completion: 57%
QB Rating 69.3
Andy Dalton is the guy in this comparison that doesn't fit the mold. Unlike the other 2, he was drafted 33 spots later at #34 overall. The second round isn't very kind to starting QB's but Dalton seems to be following the Drew Brees mold. Dalton was praised for his passion and accuracy, but there were concerns of his arm strength and level of competition. These are Dalton's stats over the first 6 weeks of his rookie campaign.
Yards: 1,311
Completions: 118
Attempts: 189
YPG: 218.5
TD's: 7
INT's: 5
Y/A: 6.9
Y/C: 11.1
Completion: 62.4%
QB Rating: 84.3
Overall leaders in stats:
Yards, YPG: Peyton Manning (1,364) (227.3)
TD's: Sam Bradford, Andy Dalton (7)
INT's:Andy Dalton (5)
Y/A: Andy Dalton (6.9)
Completion Percentage: Andy Dalton (62.4%)
QB Rating: Andy Dalton (84.3)
Completions: Sam Bradford (133)
Attempts: Sam Bradford (234)
Y/C: Peyton Manning 12.1
So what do these numbers all mean? Well stat's don't lie, Dalton is having a fantastic rookie season and compares favorably to both Manning and Bradford. Despite having fewer attempts, Dalton is only 53 yards behind Peyton Manning. Dalton is being very efficient and his yards per completion is right in between Manning and Bradford, and he wins the most categories (4) vs Bradford (3) and Manning (2) through week 6.
Now being so early in the season, one bad game could put Dalton in the rear of this pack very quickly, but through week 6, Dalton is playing better rookie ball (by the numbers) than Peyton Manning and Sam Bradford and that deserves a WHO-DEY.
Edit: i'm not trying to say that Dalton is already better than Manning or Bradford. I'm just putting the numbers out there and saying that looking squarely at empirical data, Dalton is out performing them through 6 games. That's all.
Edit #2: Added Attempts, Completions, and Yards per Completion per request
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Better team
While I think Dalton is having a great rookie year, I don’t think we should get ahead of ourselves. Dalton stepped into a much better situation than the other 2. The Bengals are 2 years removed from a division title. The other teams were among the worst for years. Dalton is not expected to win games by himself as Manning had to try to do.
Dalton is doing well and I hope he will be great, but right now, let’s just keep winning games and see how he progresses.
It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob. ~ The Brain
Our defense doesn't effect Dalton's statline
Thus why I left wins and losses out. This is squarely about Dalton’s performance. Bradford had Steven Jackson to lighten the load, and Peyton already had a vet wideout in Marvin Harrison, and Marshall Faulk at RB.
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by Throw the ball on Oct 17, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
It does affect his stats
Dalton’s two losses are by 2 and 5 points. By this time in Manning’s rookie season, his team was 0-6 with a net of -88 points. Your style of play and quarterback expectations. You have to take risks when you are constantly down and can’t rely on your defensive line for touchdowns each week.
Bradford is a better comparison, because he was 3-3, but by this point he had a 38 point loss and a late meanigless TD.
All aspects of the game contribute to QB performance to some extent. I like Dalton a lot, he is impressive, but I think the better than Manning talk is premature.
It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob. ~ The Brain
I never said he was better
He’s playing better as a rookie and that’s a fact.
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by Throw the ball on Oct 17, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
You don’t think Manning 14 int’s had anything to do with helping that team go 0-6?
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by Throw the ball on Oct 17, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey Throw
Comparing Indy’s team to the Bengals when Manning was a rookie is kinda off. Indy was really terrible then.
The QB and team that would be comparable would be the Rams and Sam Bradford (as you said) and the Falcons and Matt Ryan. They had to rebuild too, in Matt Ryan’s rookie season.
Just seems more of a comparable situation IMO..
I'm not comparing teams
I’m comparing QB’s. Nobody is going to have the exact same situation. I only used Manning as I wanted to compare Andy to 1st overall picks who were expected to come in and start right away, which Andy wasn’t but has and is succeeding.
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by Throw the ball on Oct 17, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummm,
Yeah my point exactly. Matt Ryan was a first round pick too and the teams are comparable to each other during their rookie year. Vick left that team a wreck and Matt Ryan was intended to start right away. A close comparison IMO.
Iike I said below
I’ll look into adding these other guys.
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by Throw the ball on Oct 19, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Hard to say
I can’t get exact situations for those 14 picks. I do know that 16 of Manning’s 28 interceptions came when he was down by 9 or more points that season, and 4 of those were when he was down by more than 16 points, a situation that Dalton has yet to face. It is tough to throw into a defense that knows you have to throw.
Dalton has been better when down 9-16 points, but those have always been closer to nine than 16. Manning was better when the game was tied, or his team was down by a TD or less (with 2pt conversion)
I think situations factor a lot, and Dalton has been in better situations, so I think that Dalton playing better is opinion not fact.
It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob. ~ The Brain
I don't see how you can possibly say that
but to each their own.
How different would your opinion be if it was 14int’s by CP9 ;)
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by Throw the ball on Oct 17, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Dalton has played extremely well
But he just has not been asked to do what Manning had to do. Its not so much what Dalton or Manning did, so mch as the comaprison is apples to oranges, I would rather see a comparison to Ryan, Flacco, and The Rapist, which I think are more accurate comparisons situationally.
It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob. ~ The Brain
Well I'll look into adding them next time around
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by Throw the ball on Oct 17, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought this was a very good discussion.
It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob. ~ The Brain
absolutely our D affects dalton's bottom line
without a solid D backing up a QB, his team will spend more time losing and losing by double digits on the scoreboard.
when a team is down 10 or more points, even early in a game, it allows the other defense to defend the pass and blitz as it wants. why? teams are forced into passing more with less running and fewer opportunities to control the clock. a team getting its butt handed to it, will not spend 8 mins on a dink and dunk drive focusing on 4 yard runs and screen passes.
our defense has gone so far as not only, to allow dalton the luxury of running the offense as he wants but our defense hass put points on the board as well in a couple of our games. the bengals lead the nfl in starting field position. it means dalton is not starting drives at this own 8 trying to avoid pressure and his own end zone. instead the bengals are starting close to their own 40 yard line, etc.
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Well yes and no
I should have been more specific. It’s two sides of a coin. Begin down early and often, may give the defense more leeway, but it also means you’re going to be passing much more often. This would lead to a opportunity to put up bigger numbers, but can lead to a stiffer defense (though it could lead to a prevent defense as well which opens up everything underneath)
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by Throw the ball on Oct 18, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
forced into passing situations with defenders waiting on the pass
forces qbs like vick, steve young, elway to run with their own legs to set up the pass. any normal qb is forced into threading needles for completions or forcing the pass into the teeth of the defense. and more turnovers.
" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."
You're only talking about 3rd and long
there are other possessions
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by Throw the ball on Oct 18, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
no i'm talking when the offense is down 10 or more points.
defense play on the pass. doesn’t matter what down it is.
" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."
WHO DEY
Well carsons first 6 games where no glory days either…. Dalton by far has been the most impressive rookie coming onto a team with no offseason
Dalton also missed half a game.
Plus he already had one sh*tty game to bring his numbers down – SF.
I don’t know if he has the physical skills to match Manning or Bradford, but I think he has the mental makeup and intangibles to match Drew Brees. And Brees has exactly the same number of rings as the other two combined. So I’ll take it in a heartbeat.
The 49ers aren't the only good defense he's faced.
The 49ers (like you said) might not be ranked that high in terms of yards (13th), but their D is legit. The Jags are ranked top 10, and the Browns are also ranked in the top 10. All things considered, he’s doing great. I’m not sure he should be compared to Drew Brees or Manning or any other established QB yet, but his first six games stand on their own. I’m very impressed.
Here's the thing: Neither of those QBs were drafted into full teams.
Dalton came into an already-established team with weapons, a decent OL, and a very strong defense. Neither Peyton nor Bradford had these benefits. Wouldn’t it be more apt to compare Dalton to Flacco and Roethlisberger in terms of their rookie seasons?
"already-established team with weapons"
I don’t see this. Maybe defensively, but there were quite a few adds and cuts there too. Who were the weapons this team had? We had Benson, and even though I have been one of his staunchest supporters here, he is beginning to wear on me too. And he’s not looking like much of a weapon this year. Caldwell has never looked like a weapon. Simpson started looking good last year, but can you consider him a weapon still unproven? O-Line? Ok but they allowed 26 sacks in ‘09 and ’10. Their strength was run blocking but this year they seem to be doing better pass blocking. Gresham and Shipley, obviously proved themselves last year. And AJ Green wasn’t proven.
I don’t know… just how I look at it.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Oct 17, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Green was sure-fire.
We all thought Simpson and Caldwell would be something. Gresham’s also there and I can’t forget Leonard or Shipley. It’s not like he’s throwing to no-names like Sam Bradford is at the moment.
So was crabtree
and Peter Warrick…. the list goes on
You cant use that against him
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by Throw the ball on Oct 19, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright, so toss Green out.
Caldwell and Simpson had shown us enough to have us believe in them, Benson was coming back, and you can’t discount Leonard and Shipley. Again, he’s not throwing to nothing like Bradford at the moment.
by Doc Scratch on Oct 19, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Marshall Faulk was a QB's dream
that guy could pad your stats with an extra 75 yards of fluff a game. This team is starting a rookie wideout and the guy across from him has started what 3-4 games before this season?
He also had no OTA’s and a giant QB controversy surrounding him. Don’t sell Dalton short, what he’s done is truly impressive.
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by Throw the ball on Oct 17, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying he's a shit QB and that what he's done isn't impressive.
I am saying that my expectations are a little tempered because of just how much he has around him at the moment, and I’d like to see how he compares to QBs who were in similar situations their rookie years—Flacco and the Rapist being obvious answers.
by Doc Scratch on Oct 19, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Just wondering if you would have said this to start the season.
my expectations are a little tempered because of just how much he has around him at the moment
Just shows how far we’ve come in just six games.
haha, fair point.
I imagined our defense would be good but not this good, not after Joseph left.
by Doc Scratch on Oct 19, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Drafted into a full team?
Rookie #1 Receiver Check
Rookie OC Check
Lost Best CB Check
Lost Leading receiver in franchise history Check
Coming off a 4-12 season check
Not quite what I’d call a full team.
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by Throw the ball on Oct 19, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Rewind farther than this past offseason.
Go back to last offseason, where some were calling this the most talented Bengals team on paper and some were calling for a super bowl victory or bust. It’s not like the talent disappeared over a year.
by Doc Scratch on Oct 19, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
starting guard suspended 6 games.
legal troubles with Benson and Simpleton and Pacman, oh my.
1&2 recievers with three total starts. the only offensive pieces we really knew about were Benson, Ship and Gresh.
And?
That was this year. That still doesn’t negate the absolute wealth of talent we had in our defense and the amount of untapped potential in our offense. We’re not lighting up the world but we’re getting better.
Stats
There are lies, damn lies, and stats.
As long as we’re winning, that’s all that matters.
But I understand that having a QB with good stats bodes well (hopefully) for the future.
DALTON IS ONE OF THE MOST POISED ROOKIES I'VE EVER SEEN.
It’s scary to think how “EFFICIENT” this kid will be 3 years from now. For a Rookie, He see’s things that not even “Peyton” saw in his 1st year lining up under center. Since day One, He’s seen things and adjusted to them , that not even 3rd year QB’S see!!
I can agree with that
It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob. ~ The Brain
Dalton is off to a solid start for a 1st year rookie QB for sure
The biggest hope now has to be that he still has a lot of upside left.
Some guys start well early, but never have any upside to develop any higher than that.
Whereas some guys (B Favre, P Manning, etc…) start slower, but once they start rolling, become great.
So the hope is that Dalton still has a high ceiling to become a top 10 QB, and more than just a C Pennington or M Cassel type who just got to that level quickly.
Dalton
also, lets not forget Dalton is doing all this on a shortened offseason, an offense adjusting to a new offensive coordinator (Gruden) and schemes, a mediocre running back in Benson, a rookie as the #1 WR (Green), a young WR corps and a 2nd year TE in Gresham.
although the schedule has been relatively weak and he has a solid defense backing him up, it’s still impressive what he has done. WHO DEY!
I get you throw. Good post. It has been a while since we had something..........
to get excited about. I totally agree with the intent and content of your message. Of course we need to wait and see how he continues to play. This schedule has been a good one for a young QB who was thrown in right away to start with. The schedule grows in difficulty as he can grow as a QB. One of two things can happen. He can fold under the increasing pressure or he can be like a body builder who increases the weight on the bar progressivly to constantly challenge his body and increase muscle mass. I think as the challenges grow so will he, but lets just enjoy watching it unfold.
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Wandering Rams fan here
came by to see what you’re saying about the Palmer deal (great job to Mike Brown and your FO btw) and saw this. With Bradford in the title I had to have a look!
I’d like to start by saying that Dalton’s start to the year has been excellent, and surprised me a great deal. I really was down on Dalton as a prospect and kind of arrogantly pitied your team for relying on him. I’m wrong and will be first to admit that. I still stand by my notion that he will not be classed as a Franchise QB purely due to his unsightly appearance, but it will not be anything to do with play. That’s just how the media works unfortuunately. He could put up 3 consecutive 3000 yard seasons and 65% cp with 10 more TDs than INTs and they’d still be struggling to class him a Franchise Signal Caller.
Anyway.
About this post, it’s a nice little look, but what I see instantly is a maybe light approach to statistics. You have yards per attempt but you don’t have attempts and completions, which will be very indicative of things such as completion percentage.
In addition I think this Bengals team is much more talented than both Bradford and Manning’s teams, both offensively and defensively.
Manning did have more experienced vets next to him however, so maybe Dalton only has the nod over Bradford.
Correct me if wrong, but Whitworth is currently the highest graded tackle in the NFL by PFF and that is incredibly telling. Likewise Dalton has stepped into a team that has invested heavily in weapons, such as 1st Round picks Gresham and Green. Both two of the most complete and highly regarded at their positions in years. Bradford came in with a 2nd round LT, also a rookie, and Steven Jackson. Undeniably one of the best RBs in the league. At WR he had Danny Amendola, Mark Clayton (IR), Brandon Gibson, Danario Alexander and at TE he had Daniel Fells.
I think the gulf in talent is huge with regards to supporting cast.
Question: What sort of offensive system do you run? Air Coryell? WCO? etc.
Bradford was greatly limited not only by supporting cast, but also the most conservative form of the West Coast Offense imaginable, which boosted attempts, completions and lowered INTs, but also meant 3 and outs, stacked boxes for the run game and general ineptitude. Combine that with no playmakers outside of RB on offense and you have the real success in Bradford’s rookie year.
Also, how poised has Dalton looked in the pocket? How’s his leadership? Consistently accurate? etc.
I’d also like to suggest comparing him to rookies of the same draft class too. Especially Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert. Granted Gabbert didn’t start until a few weeks in, but it’d be interesting to compare all.
Thanks for your time and congrats on a great trade and some great play from Dalton and my main man AJ Green. (SO ENVIOUS YOU GUYS TOOK HIM!!!!)
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“About this post, it’s a nice little look, but what I see instantly is a maybe light approach to statistics. You have yards per attempt but you don’t have attempts and completions, which will be very indicative of things such as completion percentage.”
Apologies on how stupid this paragraph is…
DUH, OBVIOUSLY!
What it’d also help with is showing how reliant your offense is on your QB making these plays. Yards per completion would also be an interesting statistic as well as sacks, pressures, hits etc.
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Response
First, I’m not sure what you mean by this:
(Dalton) will not be classed as a Franchise QB purely due to his unsightly appearance
You’re going to have to explain what you mean by “unsightly appearance.”
Whitworth has been a top LT for a number of years now, but doesn’t get the credit he deserves. He should have been a probowler last year, but got snubbed because he doesn’t play for a high profile team.
Our new OC, Jay Gruden, has implemented a WCO with an emphasis on the power running game (think Tampa Bay when they won the Super Bowl under John Gruden). I wouldn’t call the passing game overly conservative. Gruden likes to mix in some screens, and they don’t shy away from taking shots down the field, especially to Green and Simpson. Dalton is currently 20th in ypa mostly because when the team gets a lead they tend to sit on it and get conservative. But when they need to get points and yards, Dalton has had good success throwing in the 15-20 yard range, and they seem to be comfortable letting him do so.
In general I don’t think he’s in the same class as Manning or Bradford, but the team has put him in a situation where he can succeed. He’s got good weapons, and a decent offensive line and I really think he’s only going to get better with experience.
Andy Dalton is ugly
and as I said above, the media concentrates on it, and will probably never get the credit his performances would merit. A great example is Matt Schaub. Ugly QB, pretty stats, often ignored.
Ya, Whitworth has been snubbed, but correct me if wrong again, but his pass protection has always been worse than his run blocking no?
Thanks for the info!
It seems like he’s executing on the throws that matter, and he’s being efficient with them.
I agree. I’m still not sold on upside, but if he is further given an excellent supporting cast, such as an explosive RB, he may be an elite game manager. Unfortunately I don’t feel he has the upside to be a great QB in the league, but his performances have proved me wrong about his ability as a rookie, so you never know. Still gotta beat the media though :P
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It was a wth are you talking about to this
Andy Dalton is ugly
and as I said above, the media concentrates on it, and will probably never get the credit his performances would merit. A great example is Matt Schaub. Ugly QB, pretty stats, often ignored.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Oct 19, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he's making a bad call on the media beauty bias.
But I must counter with Ben Roethlisberger… ;)
Actually, Ben is pretty clearly a very good franchise qb in my opinion, and people still debate his value. I think that backs Infemous’ point.
(Trying to think of a non-pretty boy quality qb who gets the hype… I can think of plenty of crappy pretty-boy qb who get hype)
FWIW, I don’t find Dalton terribly ugly, but I grew up with an old Rose, Bench, Concepcion, then a young Eric Davis as local stars
"Suck for Luck"? Forget that
2010 was "Schemin’ for Green and Faultin’ for Dalton."
I grew up with the same
but I also don’t have an opinion on their attractiveness. Just had an umm ok moment when I read that.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Oct 25, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Hee!
This ugly comment cracks me up.
As a woman, I would say Dalton is neither gorgeous or ugly. But I doubt that really matters. Peyton (especially) and Eli look like giant dorks and Roethlesberger is a man-ape, and they’re still franchise qbs. Brees is average looking with a disfiguring birthmark and he does fine.
Peyton and Eli
are still brown haired, have symmetrical(ish) faces, a depth to their skin tone and have the benefit of being the sons of a former NFL pro, so they have a ‘lineage’ the NFL loves so much.
Roethlisberger just has a round head, isn’t ugly nor attractive, just his rapey ways can get people to detract. He’s also got prototypical NFL size, like Eli and Peyton.
Brees is average looking, but not ugly.
I’m pretty sure if polled Andy Dalton would be called the ugliest of those you mentioned, purely due to the ghost like skin tone, bright red hair eyebrows and now facial hair. He doesn’t have the lineage the media can lap up, nor the physical skills associated with Franchise QBs. It makes him a tough sell as a face of the franchise to those that aren’t Bengals fans.
I’m just saying, I don’t believe. As a dude I could care less what my QB looks like, but I do believe that the media have a very defined image of a franchise QB, and Dalton does not fit it. This is why I say that irrespective of his performances, you won’t see the same respect and untouchability afforded to guys like Peyton, Eli, Rivers, even Sanchez…
I’d argue it’s a similar case for black QBs, but that’s a contentious issue and people always want to fight over it.
again, it’s not based on ME thinking he won’t be a franchise QB in performance, but that he won’t be treated like a franchise QB by the media.
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Whoa, maybe that guy who posted about red-headed prejudice was right...
I’m so hoping this is tongue-in-cheek. Otherwise you certainly have issues with red-heads.
Either way, no one cares what they look like if they win.
I do think Dalton will be ignored by some of the media. But that has nothing to with being red-headed, and everything to do with the market he plays in and the fact that he’s not the big-arm prototype.
I'm still not sure that the media's concern for his looks makes any difference in terms of whether or not he becomes a franchise QB
All he has to do is win, and Cincinnati will embrace him. Heck, if Gilbert Gottrfried took us to a Super Bowl, Bengals fans would put his face on T-Shirts and women would line up to have his children.
Maybe I should have compared him to....
David Klingler and Akili Smith. Would have been less drama my god.
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Nonononononononononono
just use more stats to compare him to the other two!
I think we all know that comparing individual players, especially QBs, without taking into account context etc. is a fruitless task, but it’s still a nice read and worth doing if the stats used were deeper.
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I think rookies who started their rookie year from near the beginning
The drama is good, keeps a post interesting.
It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob. ~ The Brain
I'm glad you did the work you did.
I mostly asked for comparisons to Flacco and the Rapist out of curiosity.
by Doc Scratch on Oct 19, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Will Do
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by Throw the ball on Oct 20, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
we should dog-whistle and call Roethlisberger "Sigmund"
as in Freud…
as in Therapist Sigmund Freud…
"Suck for Luck"? Forget that
2010 was "Schemin’ for Green and Faultin’ for Dalton."
I want to throw out one reason why I think Dalton is doing better. The line likes him.
Just rewatched this video from a preseason hit on Dalton: http://deadspin.com/5831871/i-hope-andy-daltons-head-was-worth-20k-to-ndamukong-suh
Right after the hit you got Andre Smith AND Kyle Cook in Suh’s face. Heck, Smith gives him a hard shove in the back. Looking back, that’s just one of those little things that you like to see.
So yeah, maybe guys do rally around the rookie. Weird.
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they pity him because he's ugly
maybe?
"Suck for Luck"? Forget that
2010 was "Schemin’ for Green and Faultin’ for Dalton."
Dalton is doing very well
but the NFL is way more pass happy than it was during Manning’s rookie season.
Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan
I disagree entirely
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by Throw the ball on Oct 25, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
In 1998, the league passed 55% of the time, this year, the league is passing 58% of the time. It is a higher percentage, but I wouldn’t say way more pass happy. Further, what the league does in this case is irrelevant. In 1998, the Colts had 36 Pass attempts per game, while the Bengals are passing 33.5 times per game, so that comparison is valid.
One thing I found interesting while looking this up, Sacks are down by .5% despite the increase in attempts per game.
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