My, How The Tables Have Turned.
You know I love you guys (well, most of you at least) and this isn't a stab towards anyone - I'll admit even I've been wrong occasionally. But, looking back over the past 12 months, I find it comical how mercurial our opinions on various players, coaches, and execs have been. Not saying this is how everyone felt or currently feels, but below I summarized some of the major changes in consensus among us Bengal fans just within this past year.
This month last year (October 2010)...
Andre Smith was a bust. Jerome Simpson was wasting a roster spot. Terrell Owens was the final piece who would get us to the Superbowl. Dunlap was clearly a disappointment. We couldn't afford to lose Joseph. Rucker and Fanene - meh. Benson needed more carries. Zimmer should be head coach and Marvin needed to go and/or become GM. The mere mention of a critique on Palmer would be met with vehement opposition. And Mike Brown was the worst ever and needed to die.
This month (October 2011)...
Andre Smith is our RT of the future. Hopefully, Jerome Simpson avoids criminal charges and suspensions so he can remain in the starting lineup. Terrell Owens is making a comeback... keep him the Hell away from us! Dunlap is the key to our defense and a future All-Pro. Clements isn't that bad, our defense actually improved and is ranked in the top 3 without Joseph, and Pacman is coming back. Rucker and Fanene are playing like gang-busters. We need to replace Benson. In Marvin, we still trust. The mere mention of a compliment or defense-case for Palmer is met with vehement opposition. And Mike Brown is the exec of the year!
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors.
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That's sort of how it works.
Football is a strange game. It’s not like we can’t make up our minds. Things change in football, and our thoughts have changed with them. I’m sure you’ve also changed your mind about quite a few things.
in regards to the aforementioned, last year
I was disappointed, though still hopeful in Andre Smith. Reserved judgement on Dunlap until I actually saw him play (I figured he must have been injured early on). Always an advocate of Marvin. Liked Fanene. Thought JJo was slightly overrated and replaceable by Pacman (though I will admit I’m surprised by how well we’re doing without either.) Was one of the few who criticized Palmer (though I criticized him for his play – not character) and resent us ever drafting him.
I did think Jerome Simpson was a failure. Never liked TO (though had mixed feelings early on). Wasn’t high on Rucker.
I was a supporter of Benson and still am. Despised Mike Brown and still remain skeptical on whether or not he’ll drag our team back into the mud again.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
I’ll just point out that several of the things you ride us for being wrong about I was one of those few who never agreed with the “consensus”… of course, said consensus wasn’t always quite as 100% complete as you thought either.
I didn’t think Jerome would be a superstar, but I DID think he COULD finally “have the lights turn on” in year three. Well he’s still not a superstar but he’s definitely FINALLY had the lights come on. I’ll take it.
I had my doubts about TO, and I definitely didn’t think he was the “key” to get a super bowl. I did think he’d be less destructive to the team than he was tho. I figured maybe by now he finally might have learned… and I figured that even if not, since he was usually OK in the first year elsewhere he’d be OK for one year here too… oops, guess not.
Dunlap was clearly a disappointment? Please don’t make me laugh. There were people who actually thought that? This just in: rookies usually tend to suck. Sure there are exceptions but the majority need a year or two to develop. Dunlap was a rookie. Do the math.
Benson needs more carries? Sorry, nope I wasn’t on that bandwagon. I was on the fire Brat bandwagon for about three years tho. Is that close enough?
I liked JJoe but our defense kinda stank last year. So I wasn’t going to cry in my beer if we lost him. (Plus I don’t really drink beer.) That’s not to say I wouldn’t love to still have him, mind you. But I actually didn’t think he was the key. Leon was.
Zimmer and Marvin. Not really. I think Marvin already pretty much IS the GM he just doesn’t have the title or the pay to go with it. So why bother worrying about it?
About the only one I can really agree is Mike Brown. I still think we’ll be very unlikely to ever win a Super Bowl until after he retires and/or dies. But I always threw out a sheet anchor of “or grows a brain”. Well the results are early, but he might just have managed to do that last one after all. And if so, then congrats, better late than never.
About 5 games in, people looked at Dunlap being inactive all of those games and thought he was a bust just from that.
It was crazy but that’s how it was.
by Doc Scratch on Oct 28, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see Blue riding anyone. He is just pointing out facts as he sees them and I basicly agree with them
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
The thing I don't like is the overbearing tone.
Saying that he’s “occasionally” been wrong and making this as an “I-told-you-so” type of post even though he’s been wrong on many similar topics sort of annoy me.
You realize I was kidding, right?
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
I get ya blue. This Bengals year so far is nothing less than incredible.
Nostradamas couldn’t have seen all of this coming. Maybe I should check. There may be quatrane out there about all of this.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
thanks John
I realize sometimes my sarcasm doesn’t quite translate well over the internet. I hope everyone realizes that I am actually never wrong. ;-)
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
Yes blue, there are so few of us. Others should be more appreciative
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
I didn't even trip....
I represent the Bengals of Cincinati with extreme passion and prejudice and make no apologies for it!
Hes just remarking
on how its interesting that certain things most of us took as truths are so different given a year has passed. Interesting really, shows how active an offseason the Bengals really had that so much changed.
by TheVilified on Oct 28, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
you can't deny that many wrote off Dunlap prior to the second half of the season
and I’m not saying everyone felt this way (I actually went the other way on a lot of them – then and now).
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
I was wrong about Palmer
(and I still say many of his bashers were placing too much blame on him for what went wrong then)
But I think many of you were in the same camp. On that same player, I think many have swung much too hard to the other side, into the “he was the devil” territory.
All the other stuff, I took a more pragmatic stance. Smith? Couldn’t yet know, but he didn’t show much going into 2010… but wasn’t that only year 2? Year 1 was a hold out and then a broken foot. wtf? Not the proof of death.
I like Benson. I think he’s okay. He is certainly no Dillon and not even a Rudi Johnson. I do think that if the line were more productive at opening holes he would, of course, have better stats. He isn’t the Barry Sanders improvise type of player.
The rest of it, I kinda mirror what FriarBob just posted.
"Suck for Luck"? Forget that
2010 was "Schemin’ for Green and Faultin’ for Dalton."
Mike Brown...
Because the Carson trade falls in his ignorant lap, we are wrong about the last 20 years and he is an ok GM? You know as well as i do some people in the organization,(Marvin,Katie) had to beg him to sign off on the trade. If he had his way, Carson would still be sitting. The only thing i’m starting to see is maybe he’s letting other people make the decision’s for the good of this team. One trade doesn’t make up for 20 years of being a joke. Andre Smith gets my vote on this one.
We were never wrong!
We as the opinionated few had our convictions last year “for last year’s team”… We have them now for this years’ team.
Last year
I hated the TO pickup, thought we picked un the wrong BRYANT – Should have been DEZ, thought Andre the giant needed to be let go, and had already felt Palmer was done. And oh yes, can’t leave out BATKOWSKI – I was calling for his head at the start and all season! I still thought Benson was a key component So was I wrong? – Never!
This year – Andre having lost some pounds and acting like he wants to wok is earning hi dough, Simpson – drafting AJ Green sent him a “Step up or step out” message and he has responded by finally learning half of the playbook. Cedric is still a key factor, and as for QB – Thank God for TCU and Oakland! In fact, Oakland 3 times – The dropped Gradkowski in our lap, took the now infamous CP9, er 3 off our hands. and helped secure our future.
Marvin is still the man, Mike Brown is still the owner – Still can do as he damn well pleases.
So again, was I wrong? Even ostensibly? Nah!
She catches me and its DENY, DENY,DENY!!!
I represent the Bengals of Cincinati with extreme passion and prejudice and make no apologies for it!
Law, you're tempting me to go back in the archives and research some of your comments/posts....
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
Your not catching me on anything
I’m not commenting b/c this is this year and that was last year. I’m pleading the 5th …hahaha
Go for it!
When last season started every one of my statements about Bratkowski ended with “Off with his head”. We were too slow and not aggressive enough to get Bouldin before Baltimore. Then we could have gotten Brandon marshall and we flubbed on it and Miami took him. All that was left was Antonio Bryant who didn’t pan out. So who did we get then? The dang TO-SHIOW.
When I went to the Oakland game 2 years ago, Gradkowski worked us over. Then after Caldwell fumbled on the kickoff to kill our last effort to pull that one out and it was over! I remember thinking I wish we’d had him cause i liked his poise! I was shouting loudly for us to take Dez Bryant in the draft cause the kid had skills! But to our credit we took Gresham. I ain’t mad… I though we had a chance to trade for him and even offer up Chad for him if necessary but Dallas wasn’t hearing it. I defended keeping Cedric when others didn’t want to renew his contract.
Thought Andre was lazy and would never come around. Simpson couldn’t comprehend the darn playbook.
I represent the Bengals of Cincinati with extreme passion and prejudice and make no apologies for it!
so..... you admit you were wrong about a few things....?
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
hahahaha!!!!!
I represent the Bengals of Cincinati with extreme passion and prejudice and make no apologies for it!
He didn't admit he was wrong. He was giving an alternate view of the truth
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
I am “all-in” on this team every year…. I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but i can still make ya bleed! lol!!!!.
I represent the Bengals of Cincinati with extreme passion and prejudice and make no apologies for it!
I'm a 20-year Marine Msgt Vet...
Marines don’t retreat,,, they just attack in another direction!
I represent the Bengals of Cincinati with extreme passion and prejudice and make no apologies for it!
Airborne Ranger
we let you guys absorb the bullets and then we finish the job
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
Oops, meant 7 1/2 years service amd the below was a reply to you Blue
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Much respect Msgt We vets need to deprnd on each other
We are really the only ones we can truly depend on in a real pinch
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Oh, I forgot to ask. What is the word - retreat? I am not familiar with it.
Would that be French for advance to the rear?
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
75th Infantry, 101st Airborne, Company L, MACV Tactical Op. Group, Vietnam here
Thru the ranks to Sgt E6, dischqarged as 1st Lt. in 1971. & 1/2 years service here. I knew I liked you for a reason Blue..
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
well, I'm actually just Ranger qualified
though maybe one day will get a shot at the 75th. Last 5 with 82nd and now with 3rd ID.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
That puts you in the 99.5 percentile of men Blue.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
I think I am most impressed
with Simpson. I thought Smith could be ok to good if he stayed healothy, but I was terrified of Simpson learning a new playbook after the coaches acted like he was never understandiing the Brat one.
as for mike brown,
the sun shinning once in 21 years isn’t a pattern, only a break in the overcast clouds.
" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."
+1
I love how everyone is erasing two decades of losing from their memory after only 6 games into a season.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
I'm part of the group that says Marvin must have wrestled more power from MB in the contract negotiations (and over the past few years as well.)
I just think it’s the only logical explanation. There’s no way Brown could be horrible for as long as he has and then just get lucky with a string of good drafts and good decisions.
I agree
and just as the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away… so can Mike Brown.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.

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