Thursday Night Football Open Thread
by Naji Bsisu on Nov 10, 2011 8:30 PM EST
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The Oakland Raiders and the San Diego Chargers face off tonight on the NFL Network for the first Thursday Night Football game of the year. It gives Bengals fans an opportunity to watch Carson Palmer in a prime time NFL game. Since he joined the Oakland Raiders, Carson has played in two games against the Kansas City Chiefs (2nd half only) and the Denver Broncos.
The Raiders have lost both games by a combined score of 66 to 24. In those games Carson has thrown for three touchdowns and six interceptions for a QB rating of 53.9. Carson is not producing and the Raiders have dropped two straight leading Head Coach Hue Jackson to address claims that there are problems in the locker-room. So far, Mike Brown and the Bengals seem to have gotten the better end of the trade.
Another note of interest for Bengals fans is T.J. Houshmandzadeh who signed with the Raiders during the bye week. He managed one reception for 28 yards against the Broncos last week. Chinedum Ndukwe was just cut so we will not get to see him in action tonight.
Who should Bengals fans root for if anyone? The San Diego Chargers or the Cincinnati West Oakland Raiders
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Chargers starting out good
Oakland going to tank the season and then everyone will see that Carson isn’t who they thought.
Over/Under on 1.5 picks by Palmer???
by C1ncy4Life on Nov 10, 2011 8:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Am I the only one watching the Raiders to root against them?
by C1ncy4Life on Nov 10, 2011 8:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I have michael bush on my fantasy team.
I would like to see him go buckwild.
by TCfromDubVee on Nov 10, 2011 9:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The one thing that sucks about Time Warner Cable is that NFL Network doesn't come with it.
by sexsalad on Nov 10, 2011 9:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Two things...
I don’t really have a choice. I’m sorta stuck with what my parents do. Also, I really don’t watch NFL Network enough for that to be a dealbreaker. Other than the couple games they show per year, I’d never even turn on NFL Network.
We have Direct TV at another house in Tennessee, and I personally find the satellite to sort of be a pain in the ass.
but what about the sunday ticket?
by cincyplayoffwin2012 on Nov 10, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Sunday Ticket was something that can be added.
It comes with NFL Network? Damn, maybe NFL Network is better than I thought.
Even then, though, I’m usually content with whatever game is on for the time slot where the Bengals aren’t playing. If I lived out of the town and couldn’t get the Bengals game Sunday Ticket would be essential, but since I live in Cincy and can get all the games I’m happy.
I love NFL network
NFL Sunday highlights is way better than sportscenter for catching highlights and decent analysis from the games for the day….IMO.
NFL Network is AWESOME!!
It’s definitely my favorite channel.
wow Chargers look soft and confused
Prediction: Carson does great until the end of the 3rd where he throws a pick 6 and blows the game….being unable to comeback in the fourth quarter………
Ugh
The Chargers look horrible. So strange to think that one or two wins from anther team could change te shape of te Bengals for the next 10 years.
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 9:28 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
go chargers
I want the raiders to lose all their games so we get a high first round pick
by Hoke Hogan on Nov 10, 2011 9:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Have the Chargers had a first down yet?
Maybe they had one on their first drive but this is ridiculous.
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 9:41 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Hue is doing a great job dialing up plays.
Playing field possession well. Not putting Carson in bad situations. Letting him throw routes he enjoys. It’s clear the Raiders are the more “put together” team tonight.
Pounding it with Bush
The Quitter only has 10 throws (8 completions though).
His first pass of the game was actually very close to a Pick 6
by The_Black_Stripes on Nov 10, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Trent Richardson, we barely knew you...
Have fun playing hopefully for a crappy NFC team.
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 9:47 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Wow
Get ready for all the raiders articles
by SCbengalsfan on Nov 10, 2011 9:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
At least we can stop Hearing about how this is the year Philip Rivers breaks through
Garbage QB who has coasted on raw arm strength for years. I’m so happy Eli has put that debate to bed for good finally.
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 9:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
whats happening,
Im listening to the game on the radio and they are making it sound like carson is lighting it up out there?
He doesn't look awful
Three really good throws…though one was under thrown and ended up getting Jacoby Ford injured on a 40 yard reception. They’re pounding the run.
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 9:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's 8-10 for a near perfect passer rating
He is getting good protection, so that’s giving him a time to throw down field. He had a pretty obvious UNDERthrow to a wide open Jacoby Ford (which actually led to Ford injuring his ankle when he had to pivot to wait for the ball). Also, one of his long passes was all thanks to Denarious Moore -he made a ridiculous fingertip catch!!!
by The_Black_Stripes on Nov 10, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
ahh, ok, them just running well
at least makes some sense to me lol. Man, I really want a decent pick from them .
by TheVilified on Nov 10, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
They are running the ball extremely well
Carson’s always done better behind a great ground game and speedy receivers. This is the formula I think Hue envisioned.
It’s only 1 half and even if it continues it’s only 1 game so we’ll see.
Even if he does good we still robbed the Raiders.
Why
Couldn’t we have played the chargers this year?
by SCbengalsfan on Nov 10, 2011 9:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
l know whats wrong with rivers protien defisency
they just said he has six kids
Chargers O Line is freaking terrible.......
this offense is a joke. Glad I don’t have V Jack or Rivers on my fantasy team. They’ll come back in the 2nd half and make it interesting though…….
by The Van Buren Boys on Nov 10, 2011 9:57 PM EST reply actions
I'm sure ts partly because I dot know this team that well...
But it’s shocking how much less faith I have in the Chargers coming back in the second half than I would in this years Bengals in the same situation. Our guys really do have a lot of intangibles that you don’t see in many teams.
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 10:05 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Fake Punt intentional
It was incomplete because Jammer almost tackled the receiver. They wanted pass intereference but there is NO pass Interference out of a Punt Formation.
Loved the Hochuli explanation
and Hochuli loves himself
by The_Black_Stripes on Nov 10, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Carson is tearing up the Chargers...
Just like he did 11 months ago in Cincy. Remember that game? That was the only glimmer of hope this team showed me last year. We were playing for pride, but it was somewhat awesome to knock out the number one offensive and defensive team out of the playoffs the day after Christmas. It may not have had that much meaning, but I’ll never forget that game. Carson looked almost exactly like he did in 05-06.
For the sake of our future draft picks, I hope he plays the second half like he did the first 13 games of last year.
by cincyplayoffwin2012 on Nov 10, 2011 10:07 PM EST reply actions
God I'm glad I'm not an actual Chargers fan
This is humiliating.
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 10:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Mcneil's injury is killing the Chargers
Their backup LT is supremely inadequate
by The_Black_Stripes on Nov 10, 2011 10:08 PM EST reply actions
Finally making some adjustments on offense
Not sure why Norv Turner thought he could keep putting Rivers in 7 step drops behind that line. Looks like a Gruden offense all of sudden.
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 10:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That was a sick TD catch...
But why would you EVER make that throw? That had a 70% chance of being an INT.
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 10:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This game becomes a barn burner in the second half.
Neither team can play D. Rivers just has to go downfield w/ it and take chances. That line is beat to hell.
Change gone come mane! Trust me! Cause i Bleed tigerblood!--Jerome Simpson
And Rivers finally looks like Rivers
How much do you guy’s wanna bet that Carson is going to tie up the game on a pick-6?
by cincyplayoffwin2012 on Nov 10, 2011 10:17 PM EST reply actions
This Chargers D is horrible.
Change gone come mane! Trust me! Cause i Bleed tigerblood!--Jerome Simpson
HORRIBLE
Change gone come mane! Trust me! Cause i Bleed tigerblood!--Jerome Simpson
Being purely objective, that was a great throw
by The_Black_Stripes on Nov 10, 2011 10:21 PM EST reply actions
Please Carson,
It’s time to throw an INT or 2! Not time to look good and not let the Bengals draft Trent Richardson!
by cincyplayoffwin2012 on Nov 10, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Chargers gotta keep it close, so they can't keep pounding Bush and dumping off screens to him
Then the game will be close enough where CP will revert to his usual Pick 6 ways.
by The_Black_Stripes on Nov 10, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing wrong with Carson's arm
Still, wait until he plays a defense that can pressure him
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 10:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He could always make the deep, floating throws
It’s just that he had lost the zip on a lot of his medium/short passes, leading to a bunch of picks/pick-6’s.
by cincyplayoffwin2012 on Nov 10, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
What a crap team
Cant believe these guys were supposed to be SB contenders.
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 10:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
They remind me of us last year
All the potential in the world, but they screw everything up
by cincyplayoffwin2012 on Nov 10, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
They're always listed as super bowl contenders
Even though the only reason they were picked was that they were absolutely stacked for a couple of years. Now their window is gone.
by cincyplayoffwin2012 on Nov 10, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Carson can do well in 2013
I want my top picks!
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 10:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I like carson doing well
And the Oak D sucking it up bigtime so they still lose out and we get a higher pick lol. But I am happy casron is looking pretty good.
by TheVilified on Nov 10, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Carson has a perfect passer rating (so far)
But Bush IS the Offense tonight.
by The_Black_Stripes on Nov 10, 2011 10:36 PM EST reply actions
There's the Carson we know!
Throw the flag Hue. Waste a timeout.
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 10:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Would you guys rather have Bush than Benson?
by cincyplayoffwin2012 on Nov 10, 2011 10:38 PM EST reply actions
What can Brown do for us?
Change gone come mane! Trust me! Cause i Bleed tigerblood!--Jerome Simpson
Sheesh
Rivers keeps getting bailed out by his receivers.
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 10:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No, Rivers keeps taking advantage of Raiders corners that can't play the ball.
Nothing to V-Jax today, picking on this guy. Can’t play the ball.
Change gone come mane! Trust me! Cause i Bleed tigerblood!--Jerome Simpson
Chargers get a terrible spot on 3rd down. Wow.
Change gone come mane! Trust me! Cause i Bleed tigerblood!--Jerome Simpson
???????????
How was that not a TD?
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 10:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
wow.. just looking at the stats, Palmer is looking good
though as soon as I start paying attention Palmer gets sacked and, of course, fumbles it.
Technically has a perfect passer rating so far (158.3). Fumbles are not factored in passer rating
Still a turnover, though, and I feel a Pick 6 special
by The_Black_Stripes on Nov 10, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
until he forces that throw......
by ddbumpus on Nov 10, 2011 11:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Another screen attempt to Bush
Bush is setting up the Raiders passing game very effectively
by The_Black_Stripes on Nov 10, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Bush is dominating
There another T.O.!!!!
by The_Black_Stripes on Nov 10, 2011 11:01 PM EST reply actions
Hahahahahahahahaha
The moment they put up the perfect passer rating stat
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 11:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yep CP's 2 turnover's were due to being hit, he had an almost
perfect game. Knew he would do well vs the Chargers and each week maybe even better. Raiders are the best in the West and he is a big reason why.
Raiders RB totally whiffed on the blitz pickup on Palmer's pick
but still a Palmer special!!!
by The_Black_Stripes on Nov 10, 2011 11:04 PM EST reply actions
personally, i would like to beat the raiders in the AFC championship
of course this would be a perfect case scenario, if we beat the raiders in the afc champions ship, we would get a 1st found pick 2013. So techniqually we want the raiders do good until the afc championship and then suck ass next year… get it?
AMAS
who says richardson is really coming out this year in the draft
i heard he may stay another year
AMAS
Actually I'd rather have them lose every game for the next two years
Give us a top 10 pick this year an the 33rd pick next year instead of the 30th or so. If they do really well and go to the playoffs there’s still no guarantee they make the championship.
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 11:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Unless they want to lose the AFC championship this year and lose every game net year
To give us a #1 pick. Seems unlikely.
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 11:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I still want te higher pick in the year we're guaranteed a first rounder
This year. They have a tough schedule and could give us a too 10 pick. Any other scenario has us picking towards the end of the round or worse in te back half of the 2nd next year. I’m squarely anti-Raiders at least for the rest of this season.
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 11:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If the Raiders lost out or came close to losing out, we would.
But most likely, no, we’d be lucky to get top 15.
If they lose tonight
They have a decent shot at going 7-9 or maybe 6-10. Their schedule is rough. 7 wins might make a top 10. 6 wins definitely does. It’s wishful thinking, but not implausible. Have to admit Carson’s performance tonight makes me a little uneasy. He showed some stuff left in the tank.
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 11:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What on earth kind of offense is Norv Turner calling?
7 step drops with this O line? I can’t relieve this is a one posession game.
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 11:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
2 fluky plays shouldn't keep Oakland from passing the ball....Chargers have geared up to stop the run this half.
Change gone come mane! Trust me! Cause i Bleed tigerblood!--Jerome Simpson
Nothing fluky there
Pressure Carson, make him make plays on the move, he throws INTs. It’s almost like I’ve spent the last 5 years watching that happen every Sunday.
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 11:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He had the TD if the RB makes the blind side block
Change gone come mane! Trust me! Cause i Bleed tigerblood!--Jerome Simpson
nm that wasn't the blind side, just wasn't hte way he was looking
Change gone come mane! Trust me! Cause i Bleed tigerblood!--Jerome Simpson
9 rushes for 22 yards this half......if you leave out the 30 yard run by Bush on 3rd and 2 right before the pick
Change gone come mane! Trust me! Cause i Bleed tigerblood!--Jerome Simpson
Rivers INT
Dang, now we can say goodbye to Richardson
by cincyplayoffwin2012 on Nov 10, 2011 11:28 PM EST reply actions
OAK still blows this
Change gone come mane! Trust me! Cause i Bleed tigerblood!--Jerome Simpson
Please run on 1st and 2nd down OAK.
Thanks,
Cincinnati fans.
And V. Jax? You jackazz
Change gone come mane! Trust me! Cause i Bleed tigerblood!--Jerome Simpson
Norv Turner should be fired tomorrow
I don’t even know who their OC is but this has been the worst called offensive game I’ve seen in years. Did someone tell The Charees they had John Eleaybplayig QB for them? Stupid stupid high risk throws all night behind a horrible O line. Begging for an INTvlike that.
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 11:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Lots of autocorrect going on there.
John Elway, clearly
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 11:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
lololol
I was thinking to myself… “Has to be a mobile user….”
by whodeycommish14 on Nov 11, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
how has Carson been playing?
I see he has a good completion percentage and 2:1 TD/INT ratio, but has only thrown 19 passes after 3 and a half quarters….
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
The Raiders running game has really set up their passing game.
Bush is dominating, and CP has had fairly good protection to be able to throw downfield.
But Bush is dominating, as Carson has only had to throw 21 times.
by The_Black_Stripes on Nov 10, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Just throw it to Vincent.....Brown
Change gone come mane! Trust me! Cause i Bleed tigerblood!--Jerome Simpson
The positive is that we still have 2 first round picks
Just changes the conversation. Richardson, Claiborne, Blackmon, Kirkpatrick are all probably off the table unless you want to package both first rounders for one of them, and that’s probably not worth it for any of them. So now I’m looking at DeCastro, BPA, and a possible trade to the top of the 2nd for a RB.
by eric nyc on Nov 10, 2011 11:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Stephen Gilmore's the only other DB I'd take early
Maybe
1a. Luke Kuechly
1b. DeCastro
2. Gilmore
Carson was good against an average Defense at best...
In all honesty, Michael Bush made everything possible tonight. All he did was throw some good deep balls. That’s what Carson does. They guy has a pretty deep ball and that’s it. Did anybody else see him skip three five yard hooks tonight? I did. I like Carson, but he isn’t a franshise QB anymore. Four of his passes would’ve been picked in the AFCN tonight. Whether it was against us, or anybody else.
by whodeycommish14 on Nov 10, 2011 11:57 PM EST reply actions
Lotta butt hurt people around here
I love it
2011 Year of the Red Rifle
Carson Palmer 2011 Comeback Player of the Year
by Throw the ball on Nov 11, 2011 12:25 AM EST reply actions
Carson had a very good night regardless of how you try to frame it....
San Diego was the 2nd ranked pass defense in the NFL coming into this game.
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
Yes he played well against a team many thought would be the division winner
And still could be. He has been playing football less than and month and almost had a perfect game.
2nd ranked pass defense, huh?
You’re going to bring that up in a division game? All #’s are thrown out in division games. Get outta here with that.
by whodeycommish14 on Nov 11, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
He did do a good job...
with what he needed to do. Manage the game and use play-action deep ball. THAT’S WHAT HE’S THERE FOR!!!
by whodeycommish14 on Nov 11, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Carson actually looked a little bit like the Carson of 2005 tonight.
He was making good decisions, spreading the ball around, the passing game didn’t suffer all that much once Jacoby Ford got hurt and he was using the screen well with Michael Bush. The only bad throw he had was the INT where he got hit as he threw because of a missed block by Bush. But considering I have him on my fantasy team I was happy with his performance tonight and he still has good touch on those deep throws which is something he’s never really lost over the years as opposed to all his other skill sets that have deteriorated.
SD had no kind of consistent pressure on him
He had a good pocket all night. I don’t think any of us ever doubted his long ball ability. I’d like to see him against a good pass rush and having to make quick decisions.
Bottom line is that Carson is still a pretty damn good QB. Most of us acknowledged that last year, but understood he couldn’t do it here. We needed an attitude change in the locker room. That being said, I’d take Dalton over Palmer right now in a heartbeat on any roster in the NFL.
by eric nyc on Nov 11, 2011 12:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Carson was good for a while here...
there was no doubt about that. But it ran its course. An interesting question to ask would be would you rather have Dalton the way he’s playing now or the Palmer from 2005 that we all loved before he got hurt.
That's not even a question
Pre-injury 2005 Palmer was the next Peyton Manning. We were winning the SB in 2005. Pittsburgh was an inferior team.
But Dalton has the potential to be a Drew Brees-type player. Carson never had the attitude.
by eric nyc on Nov 11, 2011 1:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Keep in mind also...
that Palmer was having all kinds of success that season before the injury in spite of Bratkowski being there while Dalton has much better O-coordinator in Jay Gruden although I think the unsung hero in Dalton’s development could also be our QBs coach, Ken Zampese, who did a good job with Palmer before he got hurt. But I think Palmer deserves more credit than we’re giving him, in spite of the way he left things here because in his prime before all the injuries he was an elite QB who was able to have success despite Bratkowski’s mediocre play-calling, which was immediately exposed in the playoff game against the Steelers after Carson went down and Kitna came in.
I'm just saying from a raw skillset perspective it isn't close.
Palmer out of USC was a once in a generation talent. Those physical skills got degraded by the injuries and that exposed his lack of mental toughness, which I think Dalton has over 2003, 2004, or 2005 Palmer in spades. But if you took a perfectly healthy 24 year old Carson Palmer out of the draft again right now, he’d be Andrew Luck type gold the same way he was when we drafted him. Bad luck all around. Also, it didn’t help that he got drafted into a team with Chad and Housh (I maintain, without any real proof, that TJ was as negative of a locker room influence as anyone else on those teams. I never liked Housh’s attitude.)
Carson played well tonight
But I wouldn’t read too much into it b/c the Raiders still have a pretty tough schedule foe some reason Carson always plays well against Chargers.
Exactly....
If you know anything about Carson, you know he tears it up against the Chargers D. ALWAYS!!
by whodeycommish14 on Nov 11, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the first and second round draft picks, bro!
Sincerely, Bengal Nation.
P.S. are you looking forward to the draft this year? We are!
We are gonna ger compensatory picks for Nnamdi and Gallery and Miller.
Plus it’s 2 first rounders only if we win an AFC Championship game.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Nov 11, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
did i see a raider chewing carson out after his int?
shades of gresham last year. a rookie te chewing out a veteran qb. not a good situation.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Nov 11, 2011 9:06 AM EST reply actions
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