Evaluating the Bengals' Future: 2012 Projected Needs
As Bengals fan, now is the time to focus on the Pittsburgh Steelers. Now is the time to focus on buying playoff tickets, reserving your parking spot, and finding the perfect grill for your tailgate. It's the season that we watched a defense coalesce, and a new quarterback learn a new offense with new receivers and be good enough to win - in some cases, even be the the reason that the Bengals have won some football games this year.
Still, when I read the post today about doubt, I couldn't help but feel uncertain about this year and the future myself. And what better time to establish a time capsule to refer back to after the season than at the mid-way point? Let's see if I'm right at the end of the year.
The questions this year are simple:
- Will the offense continue to progress into a league average unit? Can they continue to play mistake free football and give themselves a chance to win?
- Is the defense really this good? Are the last 2 weeks indicators of flaws (poor nickel coverage, weakness against an offense designed to neutralize the blitz), or blips on the radar (we won, after all, and the defense made adjustments in both games)?
Looking forward, I have more questions. I'll go position by position after the jump (I hear the front page likes jumps, and I'm really hoping this gets published on the front page one day).
Quarterback is a position of certainty. Bruce Gradkowski is under contract through 2012, Andy Dalton through 2015. They might bring someone in to compete for the 3rd QB spot, but that's negligible.
Running Back is the first position that Bengals fans should not feel good about. Cedric Benson is a mediocre runner at best - he hits the hole hard, but lacks a second gear, elusiveness, and often misses cutback lanes. It shows as he's averaging under 4 yards for the third time in four years as a Bengal. Bernard Scott is a bit of an enigma. He has the ability to make guys miss and is a nightmare in the open field, but often lacks vision or strength and is clearly not an every-down back. This offense doesn't use running backs to receive the ball very often (Brian Leonard has 17 targets, 11 catches, and 114 yards, good for 5th on the team) and Scott, despite his tools, does basically nothing once he has received the ball.
That leaves Brian Leonard - the Bengals' best back per touch. He's averaging 6.2 yards on 12 carries, 5 of which have gone for first downs, and 10.4 yards, with 7 of his 11 catches going for first downs. Still, Leonard is clearly a third down back. While he's one of the best, and a great fit on this team, he's not a starter.
After Oakland beat San Diego on Thursday, the Bengals' prospects of drafting Trent Richardson took a hit. Oakland looks primed to emerge out of the now-terrible AFC West with a playoff berth. That leaves Monte Ball and Chris Polk as potential targets late in round 1 or 2. I'd love to see Polk in round 2.
Wide Receiver is another area of need. Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell are both free agents at the end of the year, and I wouldn't be too broken up to see either go. Simpson has the second highest drop rate in the NFL on catchable passes among wide receivers, behind only DeSean Jackson. Andre Caldwell is simply not that athletic and has a hard time getting open. Jordan Shipley could be a great player, but he's going to be coming off a leg injury and has never been a true #2 type. I'm not really sure where I'd go to address this position. Most of the good talent in free agency (Wayne, Garcon, Bowe, Welker, Colston, Jackson, Wallace, Steve Johnson) is sure to be retained. The draft is relatively shallow. I don't have any great ideas.
Tight End won't be a big issue. Jermaine Gresham is the future, and I hope he retires as a Bengal. Donald Lee is old and on a one year deal; he probably won't be back. Gresham and Cochart for the future? I don't think this is a big enough need to address in the draft.
Lumping the offensive line together, this unit has been relatively strong this year thanks to excellent play from Andrew Whitworth, Kyle Cook, Bobbie Williams, and improved play from Andre Smith. The guard positions are both areas of concern, though, with Nate Livings playing poorly and Williams aging. If I'm the Bengals, I absolutely look to a 1st or 2nd round guard. The line is extremely thin right now, and can't afford an injury this year. Same will be true next year.
Taking a brief detour to special teams, this is another place I wouldn't expect major changes. Hope to return Mike Nugent, Kevin Huber, Brandon Tate, and Clark Harris. Cedric Peerman has been a standout in punt return blocking. Coaches love Jeromy Miles. They're young, affordable, and should all be back.
The defensive line may be an area of high turnover this offseason, which is a shame as they've played some excellent football this year. As has been widely noted, Carlos Dunlap is one of the better defensive ends on the planet. He needs to start more this year, but at least he'll be back next year. Similarly, Geno Atkins is here to stay and could be an elite pass rushing defensive tackle if he's not there already.
The questions come up around depth. Frostee Rucker, Jonathan Fanene, and Pat Sims are all free agents after this season. I can't see them all being retained, although I'd like to see Fanene come back. Depth is this unit's strength, and I expect the Bengals to draft a defensive tackle this year. Hopefully they can retain Fanene and Rucker, and that'll be all they need.
The more I look at it, the more it seems that the whole defensive side of the football will be in flux. In the linebacking corps, Dan Skuta, Brandon Johnson, and Manny Lawson will be notable question-marks next spring. Lawson hasn't been great, notching only 14 tackles this year (though 3 have been for a loss, and he's broken up 4 passes). Whether he returns is contingent upon the organization's faith in Keith Rivers. I think Johnson and Skuta come back, and we end up with Rivers, thomas Howard, and Rey Maualuga starting next year. I'd be happy with that.
In the secondary, we all love to hate Reggie Nelson. He leads the team in tackles, though, and boasts 5 passes defensed, a pick-6, and 2 forced fumbles this year. He'll probably be back, along with Chris Crocker. Drafting safeties is hard, and this organization is bad at it. Maybe Taylor Mays will finally realize his potential, but I'm honestly not holding my breath. I'd love to see the Bengals find a dominant safety this off-season.
Did you know Gibril Wilson has seen significant playing time this year? I forgot he existed, but he's been fairly reliable as a backup. I'd like to see him come back. I also forgot about Robert Sands. Maybe he'll be good.
On the corners, Hall is locked up long term and Nate Clements is here through next year. I'd like to see Adam Jones extended and a corner drafted in the first two days of the draft. We all know how bad Kelly Jennings has been; he'll luckily be gone after this year.
I like how this team shapes up for the future. Leon Hall, Kyle Cook, Andrew Whitworth, Andy Dalton, Jermaine Greshman, A.J. Green, Andre Smith, Jordan Shipley, Carlos Dunlap, Geno Atkins, and Keith Rivers are all locked up through at least 2013. Big contracts to extend are Rey Maualuga, Thomas Howard, Bobbie Williams (if they can convince him to take a 1- or 2-year deal), Frostee Rucker, Jonathan Fanene, Mike Nugent, and Adam Jones. If they lock those guys down, the needs will be clear:
- A running back. Cut bait with Benson and find someone dominant in the draft. I still really like Polk, but this organization has been bad at drafting running backs since Rudi Johnson. Poor Chris Perry and Kenny Irons.
- A left guard. Bobbie's old and Livings is not good. Finding a guard will help next year and in the future, with the tackles and Kyle Cook locked up for the foreseeable future. We could be looking at an O-Line of 2005 proportions next year.
- A cornerback. Depth is suspect without Adam Jones. Nate Clements is old. Kelly Jennings is bad.
- A safety. The Bengals have simply not had a good safety since Madieu Williams, and even he was only fringy-good.
- A wide receiver. There's no true 2 for the future in my vision of the world, that has Jerome Simpson cut loose.
- Defensive line depth. Zimmer loves rotations, and his rotations on the defensive line have been the primary reason for his unit's success.
The off-season questions are all manageable through the draft and targeted free agent pick-ups. Remember, the Bengals have to use their salary cap next year (right?). That means the payroll will increase by roughly $15 million. Plenty to keep the players we need to keep (with some money coming off the books, too) and add the guys they need to add. I don't want to hear about money being tight this off-season - that'd just be indicative of poor accounting and creativity by the front office.
The future is bright. Brighter to me now that I've written it all out. Let me know why you disagree with my assessment of the future, and please help me out with the areas that I'm not sure how to address with your ideas! This could be a fun team for a few years. Let's hope they know what they're doing.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors.
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definitely o-line
tho you generally don’t see guards going in the first round. I say take the best o-lineman available and shuffle the starters as needed. A tackle playing guard is fine, a guard trying to play tackle can be a problem.
I’d like to see a safety if there’s a first round guy available, but most years there isn’t one. I’d like to see a RB brought in to at least challenge Benson for the starting job. When’s the last time there was actually a competition to see who the best RB was? I don’t remember it happening since I’ve been following the Bengals, and that’s been 17 years. If a good challenger is brought in it’s a win-win. Either they’re better than Benson or else Benson has to play hard to keep the starting job, either way we actually have a good RB. That could be addressed in free agency, possibly, but I’d prefer to get a young guy in the early to mid rounds of the draft.
I don’t understand the comment “love to hate Reggie Nelson”, I’ve been very impressed with him. If you’re a Jaguars fan and feel the sting of spending a first round pick on him, then I can see hate, but if you see him as a cheap free agent pickup then I can’t see being anything but pleasantly surprised.
I’d also like to see a good cover corner to take over for Clements, but I think he has another year left in the tank. If Jones comes back and can stay healthy then it’s a little bit less of a concern. I still want to see another solid cover corner drafted every 3 or 4 years regardless.
The defensive philosophy will probably be changing when Zim
pressumably leaves after the season meaning whoever comes in will be putting together pieces to fit his scheme.
if we are smart
we will hire from within so that is not the case but sadly i see us hiring some joker who wants to run a 3-4 throwing everyone for a loop
I'm a fan of the 3-4, but it would suck if the Bengals tried to change to it.
They’re clearly built for the 4-3, but I too could see them hiring someone who decides to try to act like a “new school” DC and run the 3-4.
A defense that is built for the 3-4 (and built well for it) is awesome, but we clearly have the personnel for a 4-3.
I don't think it would SUCK,
but it would take time to get better. We really do have a lot of tweeners on our team, so I think it would be a relatively painless experience. We’d need a real nose tackle to get it started. Peko is big enough but doesn’t command an extra blocker on the pass rush.
Andy Dalton: An American Hero
by Pardon_My_French on Nov 13, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Dunlap we be rendered near useless- he has no place in a 3-4.
Like you said, we’d need a NT and those aren’t easy to find. We’d still need an extra MLB. MJ (at OLB), Atkins (at DE) and maybe Moch are the only ones I could see fitting in a 3-4.
It would suck, if you ask me.
Seems everyone here is always begging for the 3-4
but the Bengals absolutely do not have the personnel for that.
by indesignkat on Nov 14, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
I thought this argument died years ago when Zimmer was hired
There is nothing inherently better about a 3-4 scheme. It’s just a different personnel set. It got a lot of attention years back because it was relatively new and guys like Marvin and Dick LeBeau used it on some historic defenses. Offensive coordinators weren’t used to it so they didn’t know how to coach their QB’s to read the pressures. Since then, the league has caught up and it’s not that exotic anymore. The Giants won the Super Bowl in ’08 with one of the best 4-3 defenses in years. And Zimmer has built a similar defense, stock piling defensive linemen so he can rush 4 and do whatever he needs to with the other 7 guys on the field.
exactly
but I think 2011 was the first offseason when there wasn’t constant whining on here about how they just need to switch to a 3-4, or if they draft that guy they can finally change to a 3-4 and be instantly awesome, etc etc.
Zimmer is under contract through 2012.
If they’re smart they won’t let him walk.
by jsl413 on Nov 12, 2011 2:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Since when do we love to hate Nelson?
I see occasional complaints about boneheaded plays but overall, I thought he was generally loved.
Related:

"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
Maybe that's just me.
It’s a love-hate thing. He misses tackles, he blows coverages, but makes a lot of tackles and good cover plays too!
He's a big play kinda guy.
Sure, he’ll miff, but he can usually always follow it up with a good play. The man was nothing short of excellent at the end of last season and he’s playing pretty well now.
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
Missed tackle on Chris Johnson led to a 20+ yard run.
He’s blown a few coverages that have led to at least 2 TDs I remember. But he’s not that bad, and I know that. He’s just not great either.
He and Crocker are good enough that I'd focus more on other spots.
OG, RB, CB, and arguably WR are more important.
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
They're OK I guess.
I’d like to see a playmaker there. Or, bring back the top 3 corners and keep ‘em healthy, and pick Janoris Jenkins or something. I’m concerned about getting production out of a 2nd WR – we need Housh v2.0, Shipley, plus Gresham, plus a RB – then the offense is complete and can be one of the top 10 offenses in the league.
The defense is just a continuity and health thing.
>I'd like to see a playmaker there
See: above picture
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
It's a shame we're out of the Richardson race
He would have been perfect. And even though I think it’s too steep a price, I wouldn’t be all together shocked if Gruden fell in love with him the way he did with Dalton and convinced the decision makers to package the two first round picks to move up and get him. like I said, I’m not advocating it, but Richardson is an ideal back for Gruden’s system, and the guy bought himself a lot of cred with Mike Brown and Marvin sticking his neck out for Dalton. It’s not inconceivable he could try to cash that in to get the guy who could push his offense over the top, if he did fall in love with Richardson that is.
I think we’ll be able to pick up a really good #2 receiver in free agency. I think we’ll let Simpson walk, because that bonehead is going to think he can get a big contract somewhere else, and some receiver starved team might give him something close to it (I’m looking at you, Cleveland and St. Louis). If that happens, I think we retain Caldwell for depth and go after a guy like Meachum or Colston – New orleans can’t keep them both. Someone will be looking to make a move and we could pounce on them pretty aggressively with all the cap space we have. And for those who say we don’t do that, look at Antonio Bryant (don’t look too long…you’ll get motion sickness…but you see my point). I also think we’ll draft a receiver before the end of the 3rd round, again for depth.
Depending on what happens with our first rounders, if we’re pickign towards the bottom of the first we’ll probably go after a guard, DeCastro or Glenn are obvious targets. Guard is another spot I think we could address in FA if we had too, so if we happen to miss on both of those guys it could open up possibilities for a DB or receiver there.
Lot of options. Great position to be in for a change. It’s so nice going into a season and knowing how much of the team is in place. Haven’t felt that way since about 2006, and even then we were wondering what to do with the defense and wondering when Willie would break down. When arguably your biggest needs are an OG and depth in the secondary and receiving corp, you’re in pretty good shape for the future.
So if something was going to happen about 'Rome with the weed, would it have happened by now?
I was under the impression that he could still end up locked up for a while, either sometime during this season or after it.
He doesn't suck; athletically, he's pretty good.
Otherwise, he’s just way too flamboyant, has a lack of focus, and is an idiot for his weed incident and the fact that he took 2 years to learn the playbook.
by cincyplayoffwin2012 on Nov 13, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I've said this before and I'll say it again
Simpson is the one guy who hasn’t bought into the new humble Bengal mentality. He’s the anti-A.J Green: Not that much bite, too much bark.
by cincyplayoffwin2012 on Nov 13, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I was really impressed by his blocking when he got in last year.
I haven’t paid a ton of attention this year.
I still think they could potentially trade up for Richardson.
But the needs at CB, S, OG, WR might make Mike too risk-adverse to make a splash.
Still, they will have cash to address the OG position through FA, and maybe some of these other positions too. I couldn’t find a good list of potential UFAs.
why trade up?
Richardson looks pretty good, but I don’t see him going that early. I doubt he’ll be gone before the Raiders pick comes up.
by indesignkat on Nov 13, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
also.. I like Cyrus Gray
I think he could be a really good NFL RB
by indesignkat on Nov 13, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
The Raiders have a great shot at making the playoffs with how bad the AFC West is.
I think he’ll be long gone.
I like UC but I'm not really a UC homer like I am with the Bengals
And I think they beleive Binns maybe a good replacement for either Simpson or Caldwell. They have him on the practice squad and he kind of reminds me of Simpson (body type at least ) so maybe they already have a contingency plan to replace one those guys (Simpson). With Shipley back next year if they could promote Binns and pick up a Meechum or Colston we would be in pretty good shape @ WR
2 Playmakers...
We need someone in the backfield and the secondary who are playmakers. So so so bad!
Getting a WR to replace Caldwell later in the draft would be nice too.
I fell pretty good about every other spot at this point.
That's why I'd advocate trading up for Richardson.
Or staying pat and going for Polk in the 2nd. Or finding a gem in the rough. Richardson is beyond ideal, though.
I believe Lamar Miller is better then Polk(though I also like Polk)
Miller is 215lbs. and is thought he will run a 4.3 40 and some have even suggested a low 4.3 40.
I would rather keep both first round picks and package some mid and late round picks together to move up in the second to get Miller if he’s still available. He’s climbing boards fast though so it may be a situation where if we wanted him we may have to use our second first round pick on him, then I’m not as big of a fan of drafting him.
For some reason I'm not sold on Miller yet
But I do like Polk, Ball, and David Wilson all a lot and I think we could get one of them in the 3rd round.
Miller
Had a good day today against a very good defense in FSU. 22 rushes for 92yds
by Oregonbengalsfan on Nov 12, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Don't get me wrong
I think he’s good, crazy speed, good size, but for some reason I’m not really sold on him. Having said that, I’ve only watched a few of there games and I could be totally wrong about him
Honestly
This was the first of his games I’ve watched. I’m an FSU fan so I of course was watching that game. I was just mentioning that he had a pretty good game today against a good D.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Nov 12, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Kinda Lied....
forgot we had Shipley still. No big need for another WR. My sound weird, but right now I would like to see this draft.
1a.) Richardson
1b.) Dre Fitzpatrick
2.) Mark Barron
Yeah yeah all Bama lol, but they are GOOD!
Tight end is not a need in this draft.
Even if Lee doesn’t come back we’ll more than likely have Scaife coming back from injury next year and we do still have one more training camp to try and whip Coffman into shape. I wouldn’t waste a pick on a TE in this one.
I don't think you said you would draft a TE...
you just brought it up as an option and that’s fine. But we surprising are very stacked at TE right now, especially if Scaife can stay healthy and Cochart continues to improve, not to mention I would love to see Coffman prove in next year’s training camp that he should be getting playing time as well. Scaife was a fantastic receiving TE in Tennessee and as good as Lee has been this year filling in for Gresham if he doesn’t come back next year Scaife could easily pick up the pieces and he would compliment Gresham very well. If we extend Lee and keep Scaife as well all I have to say is LOVING IT!!!
Sorry for the confusion.
Tight End won’t be a big issue. Jermaine Gresham is the future, and I hope he retires as a Bengal. Donald Lee is old and on a one year deal; he probably won’t be back. Gresham and Cochart for the future? I don’t think this is a big enough need to address in the draft.
You're good.
I was just reminding you that we have Scaife coming back from injury next year which adds depth to the TE position. I don’t think Gresham and Cochart should be the only TEs on our roster next year by any means. I even wouldn’t be opposed to carrying four if Coffman shows anything in training camp.
If they don't bring him back...
shame on them. They need to at least give him another shot to play a regular season game for us and realistically he’s a much better number 2 option than Cochart right now if we wanna run two TE sets and take more pressure off of Gresham.
Also...
if we’re going to draft a safety in this draft, it more than likely will have to be after round 1 and I hope Mark Barron is still available in the second round.
I could see the Colts...
letting at least one of their two starting receivers in Wayne or Garcon go. Personally I would rather have Garcon out of the two since he’s younger and has Mike Wallace-type speed, which we’re going to need in the AFCN as Pittsburgh and Baltimore have their own personal speed guys at receiver in Wallace and Torrey Smith. Wayne strikes me as a guy that was only good because of Manning and would not be effective with any other QB throwing to him, even Dalton.
The Steelers have quietly put together one of the best receiving corps in the AFC.
Brown, Wallace, Sanders, and even a little Ward and Heath Miller is potent.
Once we get Shipley back...
and have a consistent number two opposite AJ we could challenge them as far as receiver quality. As good as their receivers are I don’t think any of them are as good as AJ.
Green, Meachum, Shipley, Gresham is as good as it gets
Shipley could be the next Wes Welker and AJ could be the next Randy Moss. And NE never had a TE like Gresham on that team.
I would rather have Colston than Meachem.
But I wouldn’t be opposed to Meachem by any means since Colston will be harder to get. I would like to have Pierre Garcon opposite AJ though because of his speed.
Just to clarify.
In spite of this discussion, I’m not ruling Simpson out as an option for next year either. He still has eight games to prove he belongs in our offense.
I'd MUCH rather have Colston
But between the two of them, there’s much less chance NO lets Colston walk. They might even franchise tag him. He’d be sick opposite Green, though. Chris Henry sick.
Again I like Garcon better than Meachem...
because he’s got speed and will benefit with a better QB than Curtis Painter throwing to him as he was making Painter look good earlier this year. I think he and Green would be a deadly combo as well, particularly because Garcon brings a much different skill set as a possession receiver.
I don't think we need a possession receiver.
I think that’s what Shipley and Gresham give you. We need a deep threat opposite Green so that defense can’t roll the safeties over to Green on every play. Chad was at his best when he had TJ in the slot and Henry sprinting downfield on the other side.
Garcon's not just a possession receiver.
He’s also a deep threat, in fact when he first got there and got into the lineup when Anthony Gonzalez got hurt he was considered the biggest deep threat on the team, even more potent then Wayne, because of his speed. He’s one of the fastest players in the NFL. He brings a lot of the same things that Wallace brings to the table because of his speed but he’s also good as a possession guy because he can make people miss in the open field and when he gets his motor going upfield he’s hard to catch, which is why he was so effective earlier this season once Painter became the starter, because of his YAC on bubble screens. But he’s a multi-dimensional receiver who provides a good option for Dalton down the field.
Right
and Garcon can give us that, that’s why I like the idea of him in stripes next year. The guy is an explosive player and with Dalton throwing to him he will produce.
see if the Colts retain him back with Peyton, but at them moment
we’ll have to look for some Speed WR in the draft
Not sure if Shipley is the answer at 2.
He’s a true 3/slot guy, not a great 2. Maybe he’ll surprise us but he’s coming off of an injury, after all.
I didn't say Shipley would be number 2.
I know what his role is and that’s in the slot, that’s where he does his damage.
Not saying I think Shipley is a good option for a #2 BUT
What would you say Wes Welker is? Sure he’s not a prototypical #1 but his stats prove he’s a legit #1 in that offense. Just saying that if Shipley plays to his ability he could be a great possession receiver and do a lot of great things here.
I’d still prefer getting a #2 receiver and that wasn’t the argument I was trying to make. Just saying that if he did continue to progress from his rookie year then he has a very high ceiling. I doubt the knee injury will affect him that much. It’s not like he was a burner who has to have the elite speed to beat D’s.
Simpson has the second highest drop rate in the NFL on catchable passes among wide receivers, behind only DeSean Jackson.
Ironic. The guy we could’ve had before him is having an even worse season, despite remarkable production for ever year prior.
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
Don't remind me.
I’ve got him on my fantasy team. He got me less than 1 point this past Monday night.
Just thoroughly amused is all.
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
Understandable.
Any season before this one, D-Jax would have been a fantastic fantasy receiver. Now he’s become almost a non-factor in their offense and I have no clue why.
Maclin's been there since 2009...
and Jackson outplayed him in both seasons prior to this one. I don’t understand what the deal is this year with Jackson, maybe he’s unhappy about his contract situation but his play certainly isn’t helping him.
Bad at drafting safeties? I think not!
They just don’t do it that often.
In the last 20 years the Bengals have had 68 draft picks on “day 1” (rounds 1 thru 3)
12 of those picks were Linebackers (counting the immortal Reinard Wilson… it would be 13 if you choose to count David Pollack as LB). So that’s somewhere in the neighborhood of 18% of the early draft picks being LBs. The Bengals love love love to draft them some linebackers. And they completely suck at it: zero Pro Bowl seasons. Nada. Zip. Zilch.
Just 5 of those picks were Safeties. They just don’t draft safeties that often!
Just 3 of those picks were Defensive Tackles. Which is insane really! Talk about a neglected position in the draft! They’ve picked more Tight Ends (6) and QBs (4) than DTs in the early rounds.
Just 1 center. Paul Brown used to think Center was the most important position. PB took two great ones. His son? Not so much. Rod Payne is the answer to the trivia question.
Just 2 guards in 20 years. Never a 1st rounder. Usually guards are not a bargain in round 1. But two in the top three rounds in 2 decades?
11 Wide Receivers! They love to take Wide Receivers almost as much as linebackers. More than one third of all the Bengals early draft picks the last two decades have been either a linebacker or a wide receiver. That’s nuts too!
by occams_tiger_teeth on Nov 12, 2011 8:03 PM EST reply actions
WOW Great Post
Well i love to say that
we should draft in this order
1a. Morris Claiborne DB
1b. David DeCastro OG
2. Lamar Miller RB
3. Kendall Wright WR or Dwight Jones WR or Rueben Randle
4. Brandon Taylor SS
5a. Jaye Howard DT
5b. Alex Oakfor DE
6. DeQuan Menize DB
7. Miles Burris LB
Really like it!!!
As I said earlier, I’m not sold on Miller for some reason (don’t know why) and would rather have Polk, Ball, or David Wilson but everthing else looks fantastic
Claiborne will be gone before Richardson.
Could be top 5.
dre kirkpatrick then
Claireborne is a stud though. I really like janoris Jenkins as a player, and imo is exactly what we need at corner, but he’s just had so much off the field and I like not having people like that anymore.
by JCompton41 on Nov 13, 2011 5:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Morris probably won’t be available, as he’ll probably be the first CB off the board, Dre probably won’t be available either. I like Marvin Mcnutt as a number 2, he’s productive, tall, and a solid route runner. Though the Bengals would have to draft him in round 2 most likely, but he could fall to 3.
Let’s say
1a. Vontaze Burflict – Keith Rivers is injury prone and Vontaze would give us that mean player that fits an AFC North LB, he would be a playmaker and intimidator.
1b. David DeCastro – He’s a stud guard and can do it all.
2. Chris Polk
3.a. Marvin Mcnutt
3.b.(We should get a 3b from JonJo) Ronnie Fletcher
I thought we were getting a comp for JJo too...but I could be wrong
Burflict doesn’t make any sense. He’s an ILB. There’s no reason to think he could play WLB in a 4-3. It would just cause a big issue with whether or not we should move Rey back outside and why would we do that when we have Howard and Rivers under contract for one more year and have MUCH bigger needs on both sides of the ball? There’s no way we come out of the first two days without a CB. I’d say it’s doubtful we’d wait until the 3rd for a RB, too, but that would be a little less surprising.
LB is not a first round need
that’s for sure
by Oregonbengalsfan on Nov 15, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
if it were up to me
I’d pick up Mike Bush, draft a corner and gaurd in 1st, guard or tackle in 2nd, rb in 3rd, bpa in 4-7, cut geathers and use his money to re-sign fanene, rucker and sims cut jennings and promote ghee, re-sign williams to continue mentoring cut rivers and re-sign lawson
by joeb698 on Nov 13, 2011 12:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions
that's why
I’d pick up a back in the 3rd like herron, pead or james and bush isn’t THAT slow, he’s faster than benson with less mileage
by joeb698 on Nov 13, 2011 10:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The draft has 3 or 4 potential franchise WR coming out.in 2012 being
1. Justin Blackmon from OK State
2. Alshon Jeffrey from South Carolina
3. Michael Floyd from Notre Dame
Floyd would fit perfect in our offense. Michael is far and away the best blocker at his position in the entire draft. Mike Mayock loves the kid and if you watch him you will too. Floyd had a couple of alcohol related problems in college but has changed completely. Floyd is 6’3 230lbs and is a beast in the redzone and is one of the reasons Notre Dame will have 2 RB over 1000 yards.
There are also 2 guards that will go in 1st round. Cincy has to fix this problem. Our interior is horrible and this team has to protect Andy far better than did with Palmer.
Kenneth Lewis Moore
So you'd go Floyd, guard in the first?
I could see that. Maybe. I would rather see Floyd, Corner, RB, Guard, though.
We already have a franchise receiver in Green
Two is a luxury, all we need is a guy who can consistently produce across from him.
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
I don't disagree with this, but if it falls that way...
I’d take a WR if there was a potentially great WR on the board, and he was just miles above the other available players. That’s unlikely.
If there's a guy like Broyles or someone of his caliber sitting there in the third round, herp my freaking derp and pull the trigger.
But we shouldn’t reach and we definitely shouldn’t take one over other needs.
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
by Doc Scratch on Nov 13, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Depends who is available!
If we can get a guy who will be a superstar, WR depth will be sorely lacking this off-season. I’m not a believer in anyone we have now besides Shipley (slot, true #3 type) and Green (obviously #1 type). I think other positions are more certain, especially if we retain current talent (in particular, Adam Jones and Bobbie Williams). WR beyond those 2 may be completely empty, depending on free agency. I wouldn’t be totally opposed to it, is all. I want to see OG, RB, CB, WR drafted in rounds 1-3. DL 4-5. Or, address one of them (OG or WR) in free agency and find premier talent for RB, CB, DL.
WR in the first?
I think it would be a bad idea to drop a first round pick on a WR. Since we already have our #1, a TE, and a slot guy. I think we can wait till rounds 3 or 4, and thats only if we don’t resign Caldwell or Simpson. My guess is that we’ll be looking CB or RB.
I'm not as worried about LB.
We’ve got depth out the ass and I don’t think people across the league are going to be clamoring to take it. Even if we lose Skuta or Lawson, we still can maintain Rivers.
As pointed out by jsl, I’m so much more worried about our DLine. That’s been our position of strength and a lot of our depth becomes FAs at the end of the season.
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
by Doc Scratch on Nov 13, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Thing is, there's a lot of RB talent in this draft in rounds 1-3.
I can definitely see CB, OG in the first, but wouldn’t be upset if we somehow snagged an elite WR prospect, too. Alshon Jeffry would be neat, across from AJ Green, since a lot of people thought he was better than Green even last year.
need to keep dline depth
If not for the d line we wouldn’t be near 6-2. Fanane will probably get starter money somewhere. Rucker should be able to be retained. Sims is iffy. I think a big dt and a replacement for fanane is needed. I’d find a free agent reciever and use the 3rd or 4th on a a dline.
by JCompton41 on Nov 13, 2011 10:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Boy, just watch this Steelers game a few times and tell me we don't need a receiver.
Simpson and Caldwell are brutal.
ive been a big simpson supporter
But he’s just to inconsistent to be a real threat. I say we sign a free agent, and keep one or Simpson or caldwell. And still have baby hawk. That will give us a good core. We need a true speed guy that can be counted on. I want corner and guard rd 1, rb round 2, dt or de round 3, unless a good reciever is there, 4, 5, 6, 7 dline and line backer somewhere.
by JCompton41 on Nov 13, 2011 5:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Leon's injury is huge
If his achilles is torn, he’s never going to be the same. CB just skyrocketed to #1 on this list. And after watching Caldwell and Simpson today, receiver is not far behind. We might have to wait until the 3rd to draft a RB at this point. Pead might still be there. We won’t be able to get a feature back, but maybe we can find someone to split carries with Scott. That or pay top dollar for Matt Forte in FA.
Even without the injury to Hall
Clements is signed for 2012 and that’s it… and he’s getting old.
They would have had to draft a CB regardless.
That’s what losing JJo did – force them to scramble just to get back to where they were.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Nov 13, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know that WR is that big a need
it’s a need, but I don’t think it’s a first day need. Between Green, Shipley, Gresham, and Hawkins I think there’s a pretty decent group of targets. Look in the 3rd-4th round unless someone falls in your lap.
by indesignkat on Nov 14, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
You must not have watched the game yesterday.
Hawkins shows promise, but he’s not ready to step into a #2 spot. And both Simpson and Caldwell just can’t produce consistently. If we dont’ sign a big name free agent, we might very well need to go after a receiver with one of our first three picks. My preference would be a FA. We hit the jackpot with AJ, but the fact is most rookie receivers need a year or so to be productive. We’re already way ahead of schedule in our “rebuilding” process. Drafting a rookie #2 receiver might push that process back another year, whereas a top FA could make us legitimate SB contenders next year. That is, if we can figure out what to do with the secondary…
recievers a need, but we have bigger needs
Corner, guard, running back, and if we lose fanane, sims, and rucker dl is huge. If a reciever falls to us and is by far the best player, take him. But we needed a corner before Leon went down, we need a guard,.and we need a runningback. A second reciever is luxery, not as much of a need.
by JCompton41 on Nov 14, 2011 9:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think we can easily keep the D-line whole with the money Geathers frees up
Take a DE at some point in the draft for depth and we should be good. But yeah, CB is #1 with a bullet right now. I’m even letting OG slip on my list at this point.
Also, I think we might be able to improve on Sims
It’s not that I dislike Sims, but he’s the weakest of that 8 man rotation and really nothing all that special. He never gets pressure on pass plays, and he doesn’t do much but take up space on run plays. And he can be moved. Watch Mendenhall blow him up on that 2nd TD run. It looks like he got shot by a cannon. For a guy whose one value to the defense is being a giant lump of flesh, that kind of thing can’t happen.
yea i liked shirley over him
But I see guard as above reciever by far. Wasn’t it you who said you would rather have a free agent anyways? I want top corner and guard rd 1, rd 2 runningback and get garcon or meachum in free agency. Or if we can’t get a good one there I would rather draft 3rd or below, or stick with what we have.
by JCompton41 on Nov 14, 2011 1:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would rather go after a FA, assuming we can get a top one
I think there could be a lot of options there this year. The good news is we’ll know BEFORE the draft if we’ve found one. But if for some reason we can’t land a top FA, it’s going to change our drafting strategy a lot. If we could get Garcon or Meachum I’d be ecstatic. I think Meachum is more likely.
I saw the game
and I didn’t say anything above about Simpson or Caldwell, the sooner they’re both gone the happier I am. I think next year we’ll have 4 good targets, listed above. Bring in a free agent and have a competition for the #2 spot and the WR corps is fine. There are much bigger needs for the first couple rounds of the draft, namely o-line and DB, possibly RB depending on whether it looks like a potential starter is available in the mid rounds.
I don't know who we will draft but I do know this........................
Every serious Bengals fan will be having a Christmas in the spring. Can’t wait to see what is under the tree. The draft talk will be brutal in March.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
by JUNGLEJOHN on Nov 15, 2011 8:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Don’t remember guys, the salary floor will be in effect in 2013, the Bengals right now would be way under it, it’s not unlikely that we could retain some of our better talent on the d-line.
I think we keep everyone but Geathers
I also think we extend Rey and possibly Jones if he steps up and proves he can still be a starter with Leon down. Then go out and get the best FA receiver available and possibly an OG if you have the money. That would really free us up come draft day to do a lot of different things.
Because his monster contract is up
Unless he wants to take a massive pay cut to stick around, and I doubt he will because he’s actually having a good year…for the first time since he signed the thing. That’s what bothers me about Geathers. He had a good season, signed a big contract, and disappeared until it was time to put up tape for his next contract. We have young talent that deserves that money more than him (MJ, Rucker) and vets like Fanene that have DEFINITELY earned a nice payday.
Well he won't have a contract after this season
So we’d be signing him to a brand new one. Considering he’s only like 26 years old and getting a lot of attention for playing on a great defensive line this year, he’s not going to take less money than he’s making now. And he’s not worth what he’s making now. Not when we have MJ and Dunlap to start and Fanene and Rucker for depth.
I dont mind giving him a Veterans Minimum to start vs running team like how Zimmer is using him now
he seems to only show up when its a contract year, and besides he knows the system, why do you guys think the likes of Pittsburgh and Baltimore are so good on D, they have the same guys in the same defense for a number of years and they know what they are doing and its easy to adjust
Ha...well I'd LOVE to give him the veteran minimum
There’s not a chance in hell he’d take it.

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