Why the Colts shouldn't draft Luck: Look at the Bengals

he was the probowl mvp the following year. And Kitna is so bad, there was contention in Dallas at one point last year (6 years after Palmer was dubbed the starter) between him and Romo on who should be playing.

The “issue” with Palmer is his team deteriorated around him over the years and we discovered he’s not Peyton Manning.

I’ve spent the last several weeks and last year defending him as a person. I’ve always liked Palmer and even have his jersey, which I still wear (partly cause I’m too cheap to buy a new one).

What exactly is it that makes you so certain we can’t win with guys like Kitna or Fitz? The Bills seem to be doing a pretty good job with the latter (because he’s finally been surrounded by a good team as opposed to being set up for failure by the Bengals – who by the way started off 0-4 with Palmer that year).

Here’s what you don’t see in QB’s: their intelligence and ability to read & adjust to defenses. That’s what guys like Dalton and Fitz have which Palmer doesn’t. But since it’s hard to tell, people ignore that aspect and simply look at physical capability and what they did when suddenly thrown onto the field midway through the season.

we don’t know how good Brees and Rodgers would have been in their rookie years as they rarely saw the field. Brees was playing behind Doug Flutie in San Diego his rookie year and Rodgers was sitting behind Brett Favre for many years in Green Bay. I personally think Rodgers is as good as he is right now because he sat and learned from one of the best in Favre. If Rodgers came in and forced Favre out right away in his rookie year who knows what would have happened because we all know Favre has too much of an ego to accept a backup QB and mentor role to a rookie so he likely would have left if they elected to go with Rodgers from the get-go. And remember, Rodgers when he was drafted was heavily criticized because of his throwing motion and the way gripped the ball too high above his chest. I think he is silencing those critics now. Brees has always been criticized for not having a strong arm throughout his career in spite of how good he is and so far this year, turnover-wise, Dalton is having a better season than Brees. Dalton is coming in and starting immediately this season for us with only Gradkowski to mentor him and he’s wowing everybody, despite the fact that he doesn’t have legends like Doug Flutie and Brett Favre to play behind and learn from. For all we know, if Dalton keeps improving in the future he could be as good as both of those guys.

but any fan would be an idiot to not trade Dalton for Aaron Rodgers. I like Dalton, he has played very well for the most part and I expect that to continue, but to turn your nose up at someone who is obviously tremendously better in every way.. that’s just silly. People can whine about fair-weather this or super-bowl-that, but nothing changes the fact that Rodgers is the best QB in football this season in every single way QBs are measured. Completion percentage, yards per attempt, td percentage, int %, wins, he’s #1 in every category.

Akili was the worst first round pick of all time. Even without factoring in what Ditka offered for that pick it still was horrible. Factoring that in makes it obviously the worst ever by a tremendous gap. Klinger was out of Houston, if I remember correctly, and was the typical small school, system superstar that never does anything in the NFL. I don’t remember if there were many others before him, but there have been a bunch since.

Luck plays in a pro-style offense against good competition and still looks amazing. The phrase “suck for Luck” makes me so disgusted and angry I literally start to feel ill, but I can’t deny he’s one hell of a prospect. If Carson Palmer and Andrew Luck were in the draft at the same time, with the same college careers behind them, no one would be talking about Carson as a top pick. He was very good in one year, but he was a major disappointment at USC for the first few years before that, until they finally brought in an OC that he felt like working with. He’s always been a douche that doesn’t seem to care about the team. Comparing him to Luck, who so far hasn’t shown any weakness at all, doesn’t work.

JaMarcus Russell, Todd Marinovich
akili smith, david klingler, jack thompson
and the most famous one of all, ryan leaf.

these are the names that scare any GM when they have to draft a qb early. its true no position is a guarantee. the qb is a very public face of the franchise, when he flops, everyone notices. when your overweight high pick tackle does little to nothing for 3 seasons, few people outside of the hardcore fans and coaches notice.

props on bringing up Mandarich. bust of a bust there. again though, its like saying pete koch. another great bust. how many people outside of this forum would even know who koch is or was?

I didn’t say Dalton is a low round pick. But he wasn’t a first rounder – and many people had him going later – nor was considered to be in that top echelon of 4-5 QB’s this past draft. Even after several weeks of successful performance, he was still barely on the national media’s radar. Point being he was not considered an elite QB, yet is having the success of one – because he’s set up for success, which I feel matters more.

i think there are more disasters following the loss of a franchise QB (vs a system QB) than any other position

that’s part of my main point. Why place all your stock into one position? I’d rather have an average QB with quality players distributed throughout the team – than an elite QB with average players surrounding him. Even if the overall talent is equal, at least there is less risk loss in one potential injury to the key player.

but, the reason this is the case is because most every team put all their stock into high round QBs, setting them up for success, while the lower round picks are pushed to the side and set up for failure – very rarely getting a decent chance to succeed.

Would anyone know who Brady is if Bledsoe never went down that year – and/or he played for say, the Detroit Lions instead of the Patriots. Not saying there are many Brady’s out there, but I suspect there are plenty of Fitzpatricks who never get the chance to really succeed.

if these players were on crappy teams, noone would consider them elite. Brees was considered maybe an decent QB until his team won the Superbowl. How many disappointing seasons has Eli Manning had besides his Superbowl year – where he was suddenly thrust into the “elite” echelon of QB’s, only to quickly fall back to “mediocrity”.