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What They're Sayin' Following Cincinnati's Loss To The Houston Texans

Most of what's being said regarding Cincinnati's 20-19 loss to Houston isn't so much how the Bengals collapsed in the fourth quarter; it's how rookie quarterback T.J. Yates largely won the game -- and eventually the division title -- for the Texas.

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+ The Cincinnati Enquirer's Paul Daugherty writes:

A fumble that should have been recovered, wasn't. A lead that should have been bulletproof took a round to the neck. An offense that rolled early and often stalled late. A season that for so long defied the odds is suddenly back within expectations. For eight weeks and six wins, the Bengals had destiny's palm in their collective back, pushing them toward the improbable. Not so much since then. Fate does not come with a guarantee, other than it is guaranteed to change.

"It's heartbreaking, you know?" offered Rey Maualuga, in the wake of 19-20, Texans.

Yes, we do.

+ Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports writes:

One of the greatest movie lines ever is one of the last ones from "Chinatown," when one of the characters issues the universal explanation for all things bad and lawless by saying, "Forget it, Jake. It’s Chinatown." Well, the NFL’s Chinatown is Cincinnati. The Bengals had a chance to maintain control of a playoff spot with a win over Houston, which continues to play the out-of-nowhere Yates. Not only did the Bengals lose, they did it with the help of a penalty in the end by Pacman Jones, of all people (of course it would be Pacman). Now, the Bengals not only have to basically run the table against St. Louis, Arizona and Baltimore, they need both the Jets and Tennessee to lose along the way. Sure, it’s all plausible, but you just have to wonder about the Bengals in these situations. Forget it, Jake – it’s Cincinnati.

Cole later added.

The non-call on a facemask penalty on the final play of the Detroit-Minnesota game wasn’t the only bad piece of officiating. The refs in the Houston-Cincinnati game missed the exact same call in the early part of the second half when Bengals running back Bernard Scott was yanked down by Houston defensive tackle Antonio Smith. Dudes, what were you looking at?

+ ESPN's AFC North blogger Jamison Hensley writes:

That's not to say they're eliminated from the postseason. That's not to say the Bengals will fail to reach the playoffs next season and the next five years after that. But today's 20-19 loss -- make that punch-in-the-gut collapse -- to the Houston Texans illustrates one point: The Bengals aren't ready.

+ Guys that have explaining to do from Clark Judge of CBSSports.com:

Cincinnati defensive back Adam "Pacman" Jones. It was his pass interference penalty vs. Jacoby Jones that set up Houston's game-winning TD. Stupid is as stupid does.

+ The Jerome Simpson touchdown dance following his second quarter touchdown.

+ Don Banks of Sports Illustrated writes:

Last week, it was the NFC wild-card contenders who didn't seem to want it, with Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta and the Giants all losing, as well as NFC East leading Dallas. But this week it was the AFC wild-card contenders who came up small. The Jets managed to win at home against punchless Kansas City, but the Bengals, Titans and Raiders all came up small, and the Broncos had to rally at home to beat the QB-challenged Bears.

+ Matt Bowen of National Football Post writes praising rookie T.J. Yates:

I will talk more about the Texans’ tomorrow (and their 10-3 record), but how big was it for rookie T.J. Yates to put that final game winning drive together with no timeouts to work with? Huge win for Houston and a situation we have all been waiting to see the rook produce in.

+ Gregg Doyel of CBSSports.com writes:

But unlike Dalton, whose best plays Sunday were up-for-grabs throws to the ridiculously talented A.J. Green, Yates has done it mostly without superstar receiver Andre Johnson, who was inactive Sunday after leaving the Falcons game last week because of a hamstring injury. For six of his eight quarters as starter, Yates' top targets have been tight end Owen Daniels, who is very good, and a cast of role players like Kevin Walter, Jacoby Jones and Joel Dreessen.

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The non-call on a facemask penalty on the final play of the Detroit-Minnesota game wasn’t the only bad piece of officiating. The refs in the Houston-Cincinnati game missed the exact same call in the early part of the second half when Bengals running back Bernard Scott was yanked down by Houston defensive tackle Antonio Smith. Dudes, what were you looking at?

I fully agree with that comment. How the hell are you watching the ball carrier, but not see a facemask. The officiating this year has been horrible!

by Unbeliever on Dec 12, 2011 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

Furthermore, I agree with Hensley, we are just not ready

for the playoffs this year. But this loss can make us stronger for the future. Hopefully, that is how the team will respond.

As for the rest of the pundits, let them spew their poisons….these are some of the same guys who thought we were going 0-16…screw them!

by Unbeliever on Dec 12, 2011 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

tough loss

Hard to watch them blow that game, esp when up by 9 in 4th quarter. This loss will sting for a while, esp if they dont make playoffs, not that anyone expected them to be there anyway. Team future looks bright, they just need to add more pieces to the puzzle, and please do not bring back Adam Jones next yr.

by jeffo79 on Dec 12, 2011 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

the secondary is paper thin

nelson is workable.

nate is too slow for cb, makes a better safety.

crocker makes a better LB than safety.

jennings is blind but fast.

jones is skilled but undisciplined.

ghee is a never was.

" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."

by palewook on Dec 12, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

We can't cover TEs

We do okay taking away the wideouts, but we get killed with underneath routes from TEs, Rbs and the slot. We aren’t deep enough with our coverage guys.

by goffchile on Dec 12, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

owen daniels is a solid TE too

texans coaching staff did their homework, exploited our seams well enough to get the job done. was more than a few times our LBs were 5 yards from making the play when the ball got to the receiver in mid-field.

" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."

by palewook on Dec 12, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Jones

Regardless of the penalty at the end which was touch and go by both wr and cb, Jones has been the Bengals best cb over the last 3-4 weeks. Better than Jennings and Clements in those games. He has been the most aggressive of the three. I’m willing to give him a pass on that penalty because they shouldn’t have been in that position in the first place. The playcalling on both sides of the ball was WAY TOO PASSIVE in the fourth quarter. They did not blitz Yates enough down the stretch. They did not sit on that fumble recovery and take the 3-7 pts. They should’ve went for it on 4th and 1 instead of trying to draw Houston offsides (I really do believe that McGlynn was drawn offsides by the D-End even if he was on the right side – Why didn’t Whitworth react??? That’s an easy neutral zone infraction if he does). Benson did not take the ball up the middle in the 2nd half. He consistently tried to bounce it outside which didn’t work all game.

I don’t think Jones had anything to do with this loss. It was a close call that went against him, but he hasn’t been the problem at all. I would welcome him back over Clements and Jennings next year to go along with Hall and hopefully a rookie CB or another veteran on the free agent market.

Plus, why did Mauluaga drop so far into the end zone on that last Houston TD???? There was practically double coverage on both TE and WR on the right side and Maualuga just drifted back. If he stays put and shadows the QB he would’ve been in position to make the tackle on Walter, either that or Brandon was too aggressive on the bump and run coverage of Daniels and didn’t come off to cover the middle. Just too soft of a play call. They were coming across the middle all game.

by bengal fan from new york on Dec 12, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Jones played well the whole game. When Bobby went down it changed the whole game plan and running to the right side never was not an option. The D is better in man. When Fitz had jj and hall they were better off! When they were in man this game they were better off! The zones D had so many holes it was ridiculous. I applaud yates more so. The Bengals played good focused football the whole game. Only 3 penalties in the game. Collins is pretty good at right tackle and I can honestly say he is better than Andre. Whit has been slipping. second time in 3 games Dalton is hit from his blindside and stripped… They came short, and now I can say I hope they make it to the playoffs. This was there most focused gamethis year against a pretty good team and they lost.

"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."

by Dwight Carter on Dec 12, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

If we go blame Jones then blame all the bone head plays before that. B Williams false start on the 1yr line at the begin of game. McGlynn false start on 4th and inches. Fighting each other for the fumble on the 2yr line that Houston recovred. The LBs couldnt cover the TEs the last two drives. But i dnt think it was Jones fault we lost cause any of the plays before go the bengals way and Jones wouldnt be in that situation.

by i am will on Dec 13, 2011 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

love how some of the national talking heads are talking about how poor yates was without a single player

the bengals were without: shipley, hall, williams, dunlap, etc.

and the refs were clearly betting on the texans.

who had more to overcome again>?

" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."

by palewook on Dec 12, 2011 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

Overcome?

IT WAS A 3RD STRING ROOKIE QB. How the hell do you let some 3rd string rookie qb drive 80 yards with 0 timeouts to win the game? Pathetic and sickening. Bengals needed to man the fuck up and went home with their tales between their legs. The bengals played like little girls in the 2nd half.

by Diesel2405 on Dec 12, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately TJ Yates was why North Carolina was in the lime light these past years!

Not Gregg Little, Robert Quinn, Duenta Williams, Bruce Carter or Marvin Austin. We need a better scouting deparment!

by ashunte23 on Dec 12, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

"The bengals played like little girls in the 2nd half."

making me think about a joke schedule some guys passed around at work about 10 years ago. had the bengals playing different girlscout troops all season.

" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."

by palewook on Dec 12, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Brady was a 6th round pick....

Sometimes, guys get overlooked. TJ Yates was a 4 year starter at NC, he must of done something right.

by Unbeliever on Dec 12, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

yes! thank you!

80 yards 0 timeouts! Teams have injurys every year, shut up about them, every team has them. The bengals played bad, end of story.

by JCompton41 on Dec 12, 2011 10:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Benson

11 carries 6 yards after Bobbie went down.

"Pawtucket Patriot Beer. If you drink it, hot women will have sex in your backyard."

by Evil Monkey on Dec 12, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

i know

our running game disappeared.

" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."

by palewook on Dec 12, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Entire offense struggled--

—we had some impressive runs in the first half, but you have to get touchdowns when you are in the red zone as much as we were.

by goffchile on Dec 12, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

the redzone o needs experience and work

1) iffy o-line. pass and run blocking.
2) iffy rb.
3) new offensive scheme, 1st year coord.
4) rookie qb.
5) rookie #1 wr.
6) inconsistent #2/3, ships out. its caldwell and simpson.
7) an offensive scheme that under-utilizes gresham and leonard in the red zone.

we’ll better in the red zone come 2012. some of this will change with 1 season of experience under their belts. 3-6 all should be fixed when next season begins. 1 & 2 hopefully is worked out in off season. as for #7, thats on gruden to figure out.

" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."

by palewook on Dec 12, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

agree

It’s a combination of lack of experience and scheme. I don’t know what is going to happen at RB next year, but if I had my choice, I would draft a pass catching RB and try to sign a FB, like Tolbert, who can be the red zone guy. Maybe Pressley can be that guy in the future, but I haven’t seen it yet. Benson is a “between the tackles back” but he isn’t the bruiser we need down close.

by goffchile on Dec 12, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Too bad we did not give Finley too much of a chance.....

However, getting a guy like Tolbert would be an interesting move…

by Unbeliever on Dec 12, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

if benson looked hungry every week

then between the tackles would work fine. he plods though. flatfooted, runs until he hits something, and then falls down. he’s got no heart, nor head. no second effort, no elusiveness.

" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."

by palewook on Dec 12, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

If he would just fall forward...

…that’s what he need sometimes—just build up a head of steam and fall forward for 2 yards. If it’s 3rd and 1 or 1st and goal, sometimes that’s all you need.

by goffchile on Dec 12, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Doesn't have anything to prove anymore,

like he did when he first arrived. My question is, if Peerman is already active for the game (playing on Special Teams), why don’t we give him some carries?

by Unbeliever on Dec 12, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

In the preseason

Peerman had 27 touches for 103 yards (avg. 3.8) and 1 TD. He showed elusiveness and good vision. I’d definitely give him a shot, but Benson would cry like a biatch if Peerman took his carries.

by GrooveLeg on Dec 12, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

its time to give peerman a 3 game tryout

in scotts spot. scott has played himself out of a job all season. let’s find out if peerman has a spot on the 2012 roster.

" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."

by palewook on Dec 12, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I would like to see that

although I think Peerman has earned his spot next season with his ST performances alone

"When you see it open up and all you can see is the end zone, it’s hard to describe how relieving it feels." -Ced Benson

by ItsAlwaysSunnyInDayton on Dec 12, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Palewook...

8) A new return man. Brandon Tate has been horrible down the stretch…he seems to be scared of the football and makes to many bad decisions…

by Unbeliever on Dec 12, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah

i stayed out of the hate tate circle as long as tate didn’t hurt the bengals. would agree at the least, we need to bring in 4-5 people to compete for the return job in pre-season

" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."

by palewook on Dec 12, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."

by Dwight Carter on Dec 12, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's What I'm Saying

Truly a heartbreaking loss, but we have to take the bad with the good and there has been a lot of good to come out of our season. We have franchise players in both Dalton and Green and we are a young team. Youth means growth, but with it comes growing pains and mistakes that we will hopefully learn from. Overcoming injuries has been a major problem and certainly indicates some depth issues. The real disappointment is that we caught a glimpse of our potential only to stumble. Brighter days lie ahead for us though when our potential comes to fruition.

by laibach on Dec 12, 2011 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

and mike brown is closer to leaving than staying!

21 years down and less than another 21 to go..

" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."

by palewook on Dec 12, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

This is the first game all year where I thought the playcalling was crap.

The whole second half felt like we were playing not to lose. I never got that feeling from Gruden until yesterday. Gresham needs to be a bigger part of the gameplan—as do Hawkins and Leonard. Gruden needs to get creative and think about using all of his toys.

I’m ready to get rid of Benson. Not because he’s a bad RB—he’s clearly not. He’s just not right for this system and I get the feeling that we are forcing the ball into his hands to quell his crybaby attitude.

by GrooveLeg on Dec 12, 2011 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

We definitely do not use

Gresham enough. He causes so many mismatches, but we don’t take advantage of that. As for Hawkins, he deserves more snaps than Caldwell. We need to get rid of Caldwell…Leonard would have been huge in this game, unfortunately, he was out with an injury…

by Unbeliever on Dec 12, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

WATCED THE GOAL LINE PLAYS LAST NIGHT MNF

NOT ONCE DID I SEE LESS THAN 6 GUYS RUSH THE QB. SEVEN PLAYS!!!!! EIGHT, IF U COUNT THE TD BY JACKSON. I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS THE DEFENSE WHO WERE SUPPOSED TO BRING MORE THAN U CAN BLOCK! CINCI DID IT ASS BACKWARDS TO MAKE SURE THAT FRIGGIN ROOKIE HAD ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD!!!!! WTF!!!!!!!

by DANN60 on Dec 13, 2011 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

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