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First off I would like to say that a lot of us at RotB liked A.J. Green (some people even wanted us to draft him, I had a mancrush on Von Miller but I would have loved to see Green with Fitz) and Andy Dalton before the draft and it is nice to see them doing well. When I have seen Green play he reminds me so much of Fitz in the way he plays the game. Its a shame this game will be blacked out in Cincy too because you guys look like you have a great young team growing right now.
On to some basic notes.
There is a QB controversy on our blog. After injuries to Kevin Kolb, John Skelton has come in and although he isn't putting up great numbers he just finds ways to win games in the fourth quarter like Tebow does. Right now, I haven't seen enough consistency from either guy for them to be the outright starter, but I have seen good things from both. I think when he is healthy Kolb should be the starter, I think he will benefit a lot from a full offseason to learn the offense and build chemistry with the team, and I also would not mind seeing both of them compete for the job in training camp.You guys get to see some great defense in the AFC North, and former Bengals Cornerback Ray Horton has done a great job in his first year with the defense. Ever since the brutal second half collapse in Baltimore, the Defense has been lights out and more than anything they deserve the credit for getting this team from 1-6 to 7-7 with a slim chance of making the playoffs.
Patrick Peterson hasn't come in and been elite at his position like Green has for you guys, but he is developing well, you see improvement in coverage every week, and he has been outstanding at punt returns. The rest of our draft class has been solid this season too. Especially Sam Acho, Anthony Sherman, and David Carter.
Two players you guys should watch out for that don't get a lot of recognition for their play. Defensive end Calais Campbell and Linebacker Daryl Washington. Campbell has been among the elite 3-4 DEs in the NFL this year (according to PFF) and he makes tons of impact plays that you don't normally see 3-4 DEs making. Washington is also lightning fast, he is normally good in coverage, he also makes a ton of plays in the backfield in the run game.
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Besides Peterson, how is the rest of your secondary?
AJ and our TE are the only real consistent threats catching the ball. Besides those two, everyone else is iffy. Can your LBers drop back in coverage against large TE’s effectively?
Very solid at Safety with Adrian Wilson who is having a great season, Kerry Rhodes is coming back from a broken foot and he played well in his return to the lineup agaisnt the Browns.
Rashad Johnson has also been good as the third safety.
Richard Marshall is currently the second corner he has also moved to safety in some packages while Rhodes was injured. He hasn’t done anything spectacular but he is playing well. Had a good game on Sunday too.
A.J. Jefferson is the other corner who was the starter alongside Peterson to start the season. Undrafted rookie from last season but he has very long arms and he is good at batting passes away.
Some guys in the secondary have also dropped a lot of Interceptions. They get plenty of chances to pick off passes but they keep dropping them.
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Kerry Rhodes is coming back from a broken foot and he played well in his return to the lineup agaisnt the Browns.
I’m fairly certain that Albert Haynseworth could hold up pretty well in coverage against the Browns.
by Animal_Like_Football on Dec 21, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Daryl Washington is probably our best option in coverage for the linebackers too.
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So who's going to be humiliating our OGs (especially RG, which will be held down by Mike McGlynn) this weekend?
Also, Beanie Wells. I’m a huge OSU fan and I love to see that he’s doing pretty well. What’s the popular opinion about him among Cardinals fans? I could understand you guys considering him a bust because he was a first rounder who spends a lot of time injured, but it seems like he’s done fairly well when he’s been on the field.
He is injured a lot, but he has proven his toughness by playing through all of the little nagging injuries this year
Breaking the franchise rushing record earlier this year also helps endear him to us.
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Agreed
I really like how he has played through his injuries this season. This year was for me, and probably many other fans, the make-or-break season for Beanie in regards to being called a bust or not. He was given the reigns to the #1 RB spot after Williams went down and Hightowers was traded, and has done a great job. He is currently 6 yards away from his first 1000 yard season.
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Knowing what you know now,
if you could go back in time to last years draft, and if AJ green happend to fall down to your selection, would you still pick peterson or would you go after AJ?
Granted you guys have Fitzgeralt, but to have two dynamic WR on your team, is just plain scary!
I was one of the people screaming shouting for Peterson, but knowing what I know now, I wouldn’t change picking AJ for the world. Just wanted to see cardinal fans point of view.
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This is an interesting question to ponder, but it's splitting hairs.
I’m pretty sure both teams will be happy with their selections.
i hate playing the knowing what you know game
watch, as a long time bengals fan, knowing what you know now about mike brown, would you have jumped once paul passed or stayed for this whole horror show of 21 years?
(always painful to play the what if game in cincy, would you take chris perry or steven jackson..etc)
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Peterson has won games for us with his punt returns, we love him in AZ
I said in the post that I was begging for Von Miller to wind up here, and he is the only guy from this draft I would trade Peterson for because of how much of a difference maker that guy is defensively.
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i think this years daft, especially the top ten picks
may have been one of the better drafts ever.
Look at the these players and the impact they had with their team already. Just incredible.
Cam Newton and Carolina
Von Miller and Denver
A.J. Green and Cincy
Patrick Peterson and Arizona
Julio Jones and Atlanta
Aldon Smith and San Fran
Tyron Smith and Cowboys
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always hard to know paper tigers from field generals
von miller was know by scouts to be a great pass rusher yet most scouts were concerned that miller’s coverage skills were in the " weak to needs work " range for nfl standards.
most bengals fan would accept drafting a LB with a top ten pick isn’t always a homerun (hi, mr. rivers.)
von miller in hindsight, most teams in this past draft would have happily taken miller over who they got in the draft. denver took him early, so it’s not like 15 gms should be fired for passing over von miller.
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If you say Peterson you haven't been watching Green.
That catch out of bounds last week? The one where he literally vertically balanced the ball on his hand to catch it? Probably the best catch I’ve ever seen. I’ve never seen that before.
Also, I think since the Seattle game he has like one drop, which came last week on a ball that was batted from his hands (so not really a drop). When he has his hands on it, he catches it.
I’m not sure we appreciate just how great he is.
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To act like it's that obvious doesn't show respect to Peterson.
I think Green is amazing and wouldn’t trade him for Peterson personally, but Peterson is also unreal. Like JoeCB said, he can win his team games on punt returning. That 99-yard return in OT was as amazing as that catch (well, non-catch) and he’s a great CB in addition to all that.
Again, each team will say their own guy, but I’d be ecstatic to have either on my team. I don’t think you should be so quick to write off Peterson.
by sexsalad on Dec 20, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know if you trust football outsiders (I'm clearly on a FO pitch this week)
they have AJ rated as the 6th best WR in the game this year. His rookie year.
I know it’s cool that Peterson returns punts and all, but I’d rather have a top 10 in the league shutdown corner than an elite punt returner, and I’d rather have a top 10 in the league WR than an elite punt returner.
Am I really alone on this? I don’t know if Peterson is a top notch corner, I realize he is an elite punt returner. Teams will eventually learn to negate a punt returners effect on the game, a la Hester. How valuable is he if they stop punting to him?
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CB is widely regarded as the 2nd hardest position to adjust to from college to pro
He’s been progressing quite nicely this season, especially considering he is going against the best WR almost every snap, a huge adjustment from college when he would face a talent like that maybe one game all season. I truly believe he will be a top 5 corner in the NFL very soon. Regarding punts, teams have already stopped kicking it to him when they have the choice, but when they have to kick it to him because of field position, such as OT against the Browns last week, he returns it for significant yards.
That being said, AJ Green is a phenomenal WR and you can’t really go wrong with either guy. I’ll just be happy that we got Peterson
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tell it like it is
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AJ Green 1 year 1 probowl... and never looks back
lets hope he retires a bengal Cause no matter what happens we have a shot with him on the field
by Bengalsfan024 on Dec 22, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
You have to remember we see Fitz make a circus catch almost every week over and over
Over 1000 yards every season in the league. When Green has a 30 minute long highlight reel of catches like that we can talk. Green does look like the real deal, but we did not really need another elite WR so my guess is other teams would be more impressed with him than the Cardinals’ fans will be.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Dec 23, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Oh he'll have a 30 minute reel in no time
Here is just 13 games…
by Oregonbengalsfan on Dec 23, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
I watched it - he's good and will probably be great
There are really only about 5 catches in it shown over and over. Still no comparison to Fitz’s highlight reals – but has potential
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Dec 23, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Check out this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEMTBue94Qs
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Plenty of ordinary catches in there
But scattered throughout there are some of the plays that show why we think he is the best in the NFL
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Yeah that's an awesome video
I’m biased :-) but I think AJ is going to rival Fitz. Not taking anything away from Fitz. The man is an amazing player.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Dec 23, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
I have said a few times in here that Green reminds me of Fitz a lot already
If he keeps playing the way he has this year and stays healthy (something Fitz has done well), he probably will rival Fitz.
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That you have.
Here’s to watching 2 great receivers, one a legend and the other a rookie, and an injury free game!
by Oregonbengalsfan on Dec 24, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
fitz is awesome
he’s so good at what he does, it hardly matters who is throwing him the ball. think there are 5 qbs in that video tossing the ball at him, and fitz makes every qb in that video look like a pro bowl qb.
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I have actually been more impressed by him this year than I was in 08 too because he is doing so much with less than he had in 08
No Warner, no consistent number two receiver. Some of his most insane catches have come from this season.
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You guys will get to see Peterson return a few this week.
Our punter, Kyle Huber, is horribly inconsistent. Maybe 3-4 times a year he is ridiculously good for an entire game and does everything right.
The other games? About 5 or 6 average games, and it seems like about 6 awful games where you are left wondering “what if our punter could directionally punt or hit the ball more than 30 yards downfield?”
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However our coverage team usually minimizes those returns
by Oregonbengalsfan on Dec 20, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Very true. Other than the Antonio Brown play where the announcers called block in the back but the refs didn't,
doesn’t seem like anyone has any big returns on that punt return team.
Props to them. I hadn’t really thought about it.
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Can your D stop the guy that football outsiders ranks as the 35th best RB in the league, out of 41 qualifying players?
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb
Obviously this is a rhetorical question. The only person that can’t stop Cedric Benson is his grandma. She loves him too much.
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Depends on which version of the D shows up
Did a great job on DeMarco Murray, but got gashed by Peyton Hillis on a few runs.
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wow they got Benson ahead of Turner & Gore
i didn’t think Benson would be ahead of anybody except maybe Chris Perry
that list is odd
i’d trade benson for gore in a minute. hell, i’d help benson pack.
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Calais Campbell leads the team with seven sacks
That should say it all for the pass rush (There are a lot of different players getting sacks too, it isn’t just one or two guys with a bunch of them and everyone else only has one or none). They do a decent job on the run too, but it seems like their job is normally to hold up blockers so Lenon or Washington can make the tackle.
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I knew about him
I have him on one or two of my fantasy leagues :)
by Oregonbengalsfan on Dec 21, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Our two young OLBs can be inconsistent at times
but when they have it going Sam Acho and O’Brien Schofield are great. Schofield practically tied the game himself last week. 2 straight sacks (the 2nd being a sack/forced fumble) putting us at the 5 yard line. Which our offense promptly decided to move backwards 10 yards and then kick the tying FG
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Congrats on being involved in the most exciting superbowl ever.
I used to rank the two Bengal SB 1 and 2 (without bias), but now they are 3 and 4. 1 is the Steeler Cardinal SB and 2 is the Giants Patriots SB.
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
Yeah, at least we can say that it was a great game even though we lost
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Well, we lost both of our apperances to Joe F-ing Montana
but they were exciting games
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by ItsAlwaysSunnyInDayton on Dec 21, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
i think in hind sight, Fitzgerlad should have fell on the one yard line to take away more time off the clock
but thats always easy to say when looking back!
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I was thinking that too
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So what are the general toughts on K Kolb after 1/2 a season?
I never understood the national media’s love for Kolb, who had been a mediocre backup in Philly at best (career qb rating in the mid 70’s). They played him up this pastoffseason as if he was actually a good QB.
What was the general feel when Arizona traded a 2nd rounder (and a high 2nd rounder being that it came from Arizona) and a CB for the guy?
What are their thoughts now after his 9 games this season? Is he the QB of the future for Arizona?
Some people think he has shown signs that he can be good here, and some think he is a complete bust after one year and should be cut
I think that we should give him at least one more year before deciding if this trade worked or not.
A lot of people were mad about how much we gave up for him. I did hear that at one point Philly was asking for a 1st round pick and Daryl Washington, and that would have been as much of a hell no deal as you can get.
I was actually someone who wanted Orton during the offseason because he was cheaper too, I also liked Carson Palmer (at least Mike Brown was able to get a deal that even he couldn’t refuse for Palmer eh?)
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Some reports said that people close to Brown had to beg him to make that trade
I’m convinced that somebody had to whack him over the back of the head with something heavy from his office and made the trade while he was out cold (probably the sack full of pennies that he’s pinched from the fans/players over the years).
by Animal_Like_Football on Dec 21, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Two first round picks almost wasn't enough to him?
That is insane….
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Well, we had a chance to draft Suggs a while back
Traded down and wound up with Calvin Pace and Bryant Johnson, two guys who never did much here and went on to play somewhere else.
Did I mention that Suggs went to school at Arizona State and wanted to be drafted by the Cardinals? Well, now you guys get to see him twice a year and he has become one of the best pass rushers in the NFL.
So its not like our ownership has been that bright either….
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Pace went onto the Jets and had a decent career.
Bryant Johnson? Pfftahahaaaahahah
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by Doc Scratch on Dec 22, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
brown.. insane..?
yeah.
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I never thought much of this deal and have really seen nothing to change my mind this far
Admittedly, Kolb could have used an offseason and full preseason and injuries have slowwed his progress, but I just haven’t seen much to make me say he is any better than an 20th rated qb in the league. Seems a little troubling that Skelton looks as good in most ways and better than kolb at shrugging off sacks and making things happen at the end of the game.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Dec 21, 2011 3:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Better at run blocking than pass blocking
Levi Brown is an awful Left Tackle and a lot of us are still mad he was taken over Adrian Peterson in 07. He is coming off of a couple good games though.
The interior of the line is also better than the tackles who would both be better suited at guard.
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ours is opposite of that this year
or our backs lack elusiveness and can’t break tackles..
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What player that we may not have herd of might have the biggest impact Saturday?
by Bigcatdaddy on Dec 21, 2011 5:12 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I've mentioned Daryl Washington already, and I'll stick with him
Great young player. People made a lot of us losing Dansby in 2010, but I think Daryl Washington is already better than him.
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Thats pretty high praise
I mean, Dansby is the self-proclaimed `best linebacker in football`, right?
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I'm just shocked he didn't say "best player in football"
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Rob Housler, TE
3rd round draft pick this year. Similar skill set to Aaron Hernandez in New England. Great speed for his size. Too fast to be covered by LBs, to big to be covered by CBs. He should have 3 TDs this year, all from being wide open on a seam route, but he`s been missed every time. He could be have a big impact on this game, but he could also be invisible. It all depends on Skelton or Kolb getting him the ball
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Covering TEs has been a problem for us
Owen Daniels had a field day a couple weeks ago. Thanks for the info I’ll keep an eye out.
by Bigcatdaddy on Dec 21, 2011 5:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
he should have a big game
our d tends to ignore TEs. give em a 5-10 yard buffer and see what happens approach..
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In pass coverage
I would try to exploit our OLBs. Acho and Schofield are too green to be good in pass coverage and Clark Haggans is too slow to be good in coverage. That being said, Ray Horton does a great job with his defensive scheme, and puts our players in the best position to be successful. Those three guys likely won`t be in man coverage a lot on Sunday.
Besides that, AJ Green just screams mismatch against any of our DBs not named Peterson, Wilson or Rhodes. If he`s one-on-one against Jefferson or Marshall, i would look to exploit that. But again, that situation won`t likely appear very often, so exploit it when you have the chance
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Who do you want at the helm Saturday?
Kolb or Skelton?
by Bigcatdaddy on Dec 21, 2011 6:01 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I'm fine with either guy being out there
But if Kolb is healthy, I want to see him just so we can evaluate him more. This would be a good test for him.
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Same here
the good thing is, is that we don’t need either guy to come out and win the game by themselves. With the way our defense and ST has been playing, all we need is a competent game manager who can take care of the ball.
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With both teams Season potentially on the Line.
I think this will be an excellent football game.
What are some of the Key injuries for the Cardinals (dont say kolb you have done better without him)
Bengals are missing the right side of the OL and Leon Hall our best CB and Pat SIms (arguably) our best run stuffer.
Our RT Brandon Keith might not play, so Jeremy Bridges might need to take his place
Beanies knee is still an issue. He will play, but it has limited what he can do on the field.
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Peterson in the Return Game VS
Mays / Peerman / Skuta / Miles / And Possibly Moch… this should be fun to watch…

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