Calling out all CJ members: I think its time! WDR (WHO DEYTA RATING)
by AMAS85 on Dec 22, 2011 7:36 PM EST
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There has been much debate about certain players on this team. I think its time we settle this once and for all. And I would like to get input from as many people on here as possible.
I would like to create our measuring system on how we judge bengals players. I know it will take time, but I would be willing to take the grunt of the work. Much like ESPN has the Total QBR, well I think its time we create a measuring tool for only bengals players or players we want measure to see if they would be a good fit for our team.
I want to take account for tangible and non-tangle aspects. If you wouldn't mind taking a minute or to let me know what you think is important to measure for a position. I would love to hear it! And once we develop a sound measuring system, I will post it for all to see, so it will be transparent on how players are being measured.
I believe we have fine group of people on this board with great points of view. So as I get my credit card out and ready to purchase NFL rewind. Please take a moment to respond.
WHYUS!!
If I missed your name, I'm truly sorry, I just noticed some of these names more often on these boards and know they have a lot of good ideas. But again, I want to hear from everyone that has an idea.
And first line of business, we need a cool name for this measurement. Something that is relative to Cincyjungle.
Thanks!
AMAS
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors.
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i like that idea
being in the league each year should account for something, but doesn’t necessarly mean that supper star, but it has a lot to do with professionalism
AMAS
i think the hardest part will be creating a wieghted matrix
there will be obvious stats like YAC or yard per catch etc…. but say your a running back, some time speed doesn’t mean that much if your a so called “bruiser”
AMAS
for running backs you'd almost have to have multiple categories
1. AFC North prototype “bruiser”
Ie: ced
2. Change of pace back
Ie: nard dog
3rd down specialist
The assassin Leonard
The Curse of Bo Jackson: Jan 13th,1991- present day
by TruWhoDey on Jan 3, 2012 12:54 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Andy Dalton
Experience: 1 year
Stats: 3,012 yards 18 TD
Pros: good pocket presence, remarkable poise, good leadership, good accuracy, is not afraid to scramble for a first down
Cons: arm strength can be an issue with long passes, accuracy can be inconsistent at times
Grade: A
Obvious keeper
by Tampa_Bengal on Dec 22, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'd say his accuracy is mediocre
it’s definitely his weak spot, it’s good enough to work as long as we have dedicated receivers. I’d also add to the pros list the fact that he very rarely makes mistakes. It’s almost a con because he’s perfectly willing to end the drive with a too-short pass on third down rather than taking a risky shot downfield when he isn’t sure it’s there.
I'd take Huber's regular punts over Dalton's arm punts anyway.
They generally go longer.
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
IMO accuracy is the one QB trait
that can dramatically increased in one offseason…It’s something that can definitely be worked on and generally gets better with the age of the QB if they are starting caliber, which Dalton is.
AJ Green = Optimus Prime
I'd probably edit that to say "his downfield accuracy is mediocre"
I think his short and midrange accuracy his well above average. I’d add that I think his short range accuracy is top notch.
by C1ncy4Life on Dec 24, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed with this edit.
I think he needs to learn a little bit of touch on the short routes…
that said, the 8 yard dump to Benson was shiite… hit him in the feet
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
Also this has nothing to do with accuracy
But I think if he can develop a really good pump fake a lot of the passes that are getting tipped at the line of scrimmage would not happen. I know that was random but it just came into my mind
AJ Green = Optimus Prime
I have thought the same many times watching these games
He doesn’t pump fake often and that could definitely help.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Dec 25, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
i think he will develop that over time
that was one of his knocks coming out of college, would he be able to hold the ball a little longer to let the play develop, because he had such a quick release in his TCU system.
AMAS
thats Ben's best attribute IMO
he pump fakes better and more frequently than any other QB…fits his “backyard football” style perfectly, and in todays NFL, anticipation is everything so a great pump fake can really pull defenses off their feet, buy you time and open up passing lanes
The Curse of Bo Jackson: Jan 13th,1991- present day
Dalton should be able to (with good coaching probably from Gruden) develop into the ideal WCO QB
he shows everything that you could want to see from a WCO QB, granted it’s not always in the same game but we know he is accurate and has the poise to sit in the pocket and let plays develop. He is only going to get better with experience as he becomes more comfortable with the people around him. The most you can ask from a rookie starting QB is to not give the game away and minimalize mistakes, and he has done that. Next year, and maybe in the playoffs this year, we should see him allowed to air it out more often and not just get a lead and sit on it. He just does not have to downfield accuracy that we are used to seeing, but watching some of his college highlights leads me to believe that he will develop his touch in the offseason with more practice. Dalton shows enough promise to be a future franchise QB with tremendous leadership skills.
"When you see it open up and all you can see is the end zone, it’s hard to describe how relieving it feels." -Ced Benson
by ItsAlwaysSunnyInDayton on Dec 28, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Cedric Benson
Experience: 7 years
Stats: 244 ATT, 959 yrds, 6 TD, 3 fumbles, LNG (longest run) 42 yrds, 13 GP
Pros: explodes through holes, able to get loose when he has momentum
Cons: Has trouble getting that extra yard, havn’t seem much elusiveness or bruising ability this year
Grade: C
On the hot seat
by Tampa_Bengal on Dec 22, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
definitely replaceable
C is pretty fair. I’d like to see him bust through as he doesn’t have the kind of moves to dart around the line if the play isn’t working that way. Dependant on good line play. better than others, when the line works. Worse than others when the line doesn’t.
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
by supergrover on Dec 23, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree completely on the pros
and the cons aren’t just this year, they’re for his whole career. Aside from the rare spurts where he suddenly seems to care, he’s never been elusive or a bruiser. He gets exactly what the line opens up for him, when he doesn’t fall down trying to make a cut.
If the grades are representative of what you want out of good students, I’d say C is fair. If C is average, he’s D- at best.
Generally, with our linemen, we like bigger guys.
All of our linemen are 300 lbs., generally over by a good ten or so lbs. (lightest is Boling at 308), and the starters are averaging about 320-325. Of our linemen, Cook is the shortest at 6’3", while the rest are about 6’5" (fun fact, Roland is our tallest lineman at 6’9"). I think Marvin values run-blocking over pass-blocking and, by the numbers, you’d expect us to have a dominant run-blocking line. That’s not the case though, as our group of maulers have some good pass-blockers but struggle in the run game.
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
by Doc Scratch on Dec 22, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Most OL have to be above 300 lbs to compete with the 300+ lb DLinemen
The reason why a lot of them might be better pass blockers is because in college with the spread offenses, you need to keep your QB clean for a longer time so he can pass. With this thinking, linemen from college spread offenses technically should be very good pass blockers.
Jermaine Gresham
Experience: 2 years
Stats: 46 rec, 468 yards, 5 TD, AVG 10.2, 24 FD, 26 LNG
Pros: VERY reliable, has soft hands, a big body in the redzone, good ability to break away from defenders
Cons: Trouble getting open whether it be due to blocking/playcalling, has had troubles with jumping offsides
Grade: A
Obvious keeper
by Tampa_Bengal on Dec 22, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently this team prefers blockers to receivers.
So I have no idea why Gresham’s still on the team. Gruden really needs to utilize a guy who is such a mismatch like Gresham rather than leaving him back to block. That’s not his forte.
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
by Doc Scratch on Dec 22, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
AJ Green
Experience: 1 year
Stats: 61 rec, 1,006 yrds, 7 TD, 16.5 AVG, 58 LNG, 40 FD, 231 YAC
Pros: Unbelievable play making ability, able to make catch while double covered, crisp routes, very reliable hands, blazing speed
cons: has trouble disrupting defender to avoid int, had a costly false start against PITT
Grade: A+
Obvious keeper
by Tampa_Bengal on Dec 22, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Jerome Simpson
Experience: 4 years
Stats:40 rec, 88 targets, 629 yards, 15.7 AVG, 3 TDs, 84 long, 200 YAC, 29 FD
Pros: shows spurts of good play making ability, can step into the #1 role if needed, shows he is a freakish athlete at times, hands are decent
Cons: INCONSISTENT, drops balls on occasion, routs have been proven to be some of the worst in the league, is an adequate #2 receiver, but not a great one, has had run ins with the law
Grade: C
On the hot seat
by Tampa_Bengal on Dec 22, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
targets v catches does not tell the whole story
I once saw jerome leap at a ball that was obviously going out of bounds, to help AD avoid intentional grounding. catches v drops paints a more accurate picture, If the drop was in double coverage it should be noted as well because often the receiver has to play db in that situation..
able to leap (and flip over) defenders in a single bound lol
his character is a big concern to me just as much as his drops. He doesn’t always seem to have his heart in the game as much as the rest of the team does. Maybe I’m wrong but it just seems that way, and I feel like he just doesn’t fit well on this team. I really wanted him to do well this year too. If he’s gone… Thanks for the memories Jerome.
"When you see it open up and all you can see is the end zone, it’s hard to describe how relieving it feels." -Ced Benson
by ItsAlwaysSunnyInDayton on Dec 28, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Andre Caldwell
Experience: 4 years
Stats: 37 rec, 67 targets, 317 yards, 8.6 AVG, 3 TD, 49 long, 108 YAC, 15 FD
Pros: Has reliable hands, a good red zone presence
Cons: seems balls thrown his way result in turnovers, stops on routs, drops ball on occasion
Grade: C+
Although a Tampa native and UF grad, he is definitely on the hot seat
by Tampa_Bengal on Dec 22, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
I think Shipley's exactly 6'.
If so, 6’-6’1" is our general height for receivers (Hawkins is the shortest at 5’7", Green’s the tallest at 6’4"). I’m not really sure how to judge the style of receiver we take. We tend to take practically any type, as we tend to use players in specific ways rather than draft talented guys capable of filling a couple of roles. Green’s your #1, do-it-all type of guy, and Simpson has enough talent to be a #1a type of guy, but the rest of them have obvious niches they fill. Caldwell has the obvious straight line speed for a deep threat but Dalton practically needs taller guys capable of outreaching the CB given his deep ball accuracy, so he doesn’t really fit here. Hawkins fills your good #4 guy who’s capable of being clutch and sneaking around between the hashes, Shipley and Whalen are obvious slot guys.
After this season, look for a guy with Caldwell’s skill set in Simpson’s body, but has better hands. That’ll definitely be a guy we’re targeting.
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
by Doc Scratch on Dec 22, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
We like them.
They have to be big and good at blocking. Pass-catching is not a necessity unless your name is Brian Leonard. That’s all I really know about our FB tendencies.
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
by Doc Scratch on Dec 22, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Chris Pressley is a good big hit guy, I think his run-blocking will improve to very good with a few years in the league. Remember, this is either his 1st or 2nd full year as the starter.
He did catch a few passes out of the backfield this year.
A little both
For example the stats will be comparable to the rest of the league, but at the same time what type of player that will excell in zim’s scheme… I guess it kind of goes hand and hand
AMAS
Say for example Antwan Odom
When we signed Odom, his sack numbers were inflated because he was on the Titans when Albert Haynesworth was in his prime. Odom’s sack numbers were inflated, and caused us to sign him to big money, not realizing that it was mostly because of Haynesworth that he got those numbers.
A Bengals example for DL is Robert Geathers in his 10 sack season. He had that many sacks because he only came in on 3rd downs and was in a rotation with other DL. This caused the Bengals to extend him for big money.
Odom was on a sacking spree
before he got hurt his first season here though.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Dec 23, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
That's right
2nd season here… and ok so not a spree but he was doing very well.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Dec 23, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
We like big, space-eaters as our DTs.
I think Geno’s our smallest one, Peko and Sims are both massive.
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
by Doc Scratch on Dec 22, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
I like how Peko has gotten better...
at getting to the QB in recent weeks as that has been something that has never been his strong suit. Atkins has been our most disruptive D-lineman this year hands down, even though Dunlap gets the most attention but our D-line is fifth in the NFL in sacks I believe and a good portion of that has been because of guys like Peko and Geathers who have never been great at getting to the QB turning it on down the stretch this season. Dunlap has had a quiet season statistically, which only showcases how strong our D-line is. Now we just need to upgrade our back end.
That being said...
you can never be too greedy in football I think and I do wish Geathers was the one playing for SF right now and Justin Smith was still playing for us. Then we would probably have the best D-line in football, hands down. Can you imagine Smith still playing DE for us with Dunlap and MJ, not to mention rotational talents like Fanene and Rucker who are effective whenever they get in the game? Talk about an O-line’s nightmare.
I'm happy with what Howard and Lawson are doing this year...
coming into a new system and becoming resourceful run-stoppers. I’m still looking for more production out of Rey in the middle as he hasn’t looked as aggressive as I thought he would be this season running the defense from the middle. Brandon Johnson is as reliable as ever and Skuta is a serviceable backup to Rey but I’m still a little irritated that Dontay Moch hasn’t seen the field yet. Contrary to popular opinion around here it seems, I do hope to see Rivers back in the lineup next year as I do think Rey tends to play better when Rivers is on the field and Rivers is a better coverage linebacker than Lawson. I’m also hoping we get a full season and a significant amount of snaps from Roddrick Muckelroy next season playing behind Rey in the middle. All in all, this is probably one of the strongest positions on the team, we just need more production out of guys like Moch, Rivers, Rey Rey, and Muckelroy.
all defensive players
passes defensed, tackles, tackles for loss, picks and fumbles forced/recovered.
Tate gets a B- for his performance this season.
He drew my ire in the Pittsburgh game with that fumbled kickoff but he redeemed himself in the St. Louis game as he was a big reason we won there and he does have one return TD this season.
I will help as much as possible AMAS
Seems like a great idea………As for a name maybe CJ PRS (player rating system)…not very original i know
AJ Green = Optimus Prime
hey its start... but yea doesn't have to be over the top
what about WDR <—— stands for WHO DATA RATING … lol play on words
AMAS
by AMAS85 on Dec 22, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If we do that it should be
WHO DEYTA RATING… the other way is too close to Who Dat…
by Oregonbengalsfan on Dec 23, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yea go with DEYTA
Cause we’ll have saints fans complaining but I like it
AJ Green = Optimus Prime
by Helmsy on Dec 23, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Happy to help....
love the idea….Ill start posting more ideas once xmas is over and my work slows down a little more..
AD to AJ = TD!!
by Toasted_Orange_Monster on Dec 23, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
player arrest's,suspensions,fine's,sportsmanship
wish there was someway to figure these aspects
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
actually we can lol
if we know the player is going to have to be resigned to a big contract, it can negatively work against the bengals player rating because we know they are less likely to sign… JJO would be a perfect example.
AMAS
to be honest
I suspect that if JJO felt he could help this team get back to the playoffs this year, he would have stayed. I think he foresaw a 5 win season. Shame. Were he here, I think we’d be looking at 11-5 or better.
If Palmer had kept his piehole shut and kept it out of the media, JJO might have stayed.
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
by supergrover on Dec 23, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
well like I said we can use a weighted point system.
Like Ced for example, for every year he gets in trouble and the amount of games he is suppend will take away from his overall ranking because thats a game he cant help the team.
and non of the BS of like the Qb rating of over 100 points… I think we should make simple but at the same time tough to score good. so like the average play may rank around 30 or 40 but a great player will score around 70 and 80’s
AMAS
This could be an interesting idea.
I’m thoroughly intrigued to see where it goes, but I’m not sure how we try to judge individual performance in a team game. I’ll give it a shot though.
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
a lot of brain storming
but I was think about a 10 by 10 matrix,,, meaning each position will very in a categories up to 10 and the most points a player can be awarded is 10. With a 100 being the best score and 0 being the worst.
Each category will be relavent to the posistion: I.E. Speed is relavant for a RB and WR but not necessarly for a OL. Or Vision maybe more import to a RB or QB but not so much for a kicker… ETC… ETC
AMAS
This sounds like fun
I will do my best to try and help as much as I can. Good idea
"When you see it open up and all you can see is the end zone, it’s hard to describe how relieving it feels." -Ced Benson
by ItsAlwaysSunnyInDayton on Dec 23, 2011 7:57 AM EST reply actions
Interesting idea.........
I think an important factor to measure would be a player’s productivity versus their pay in a given year. So basically, they may seem somewhat productive, but bumping them up against players in the same tax bracket might not make them look so productive after all. I would call it the “overpaid/underpaid factor.”
by The Van Buren Boys on Dec 23, 2011 9:35 AM EST reply actions
I think there should be a comparision of the player who were picked in the same rounds...
Like how the performance would match their upside…. So in our case with Simpson in comparison to Desean Jackson. Or like Keith Rivers and Jerod Mayo…. to see what our expectations should have been for that player.
Also I think I liked an idea I read up above, def want to know the players ability after the catch to break tackles, this could explain why they have the length in yards and why it was harder to get them.
AD to AJ = TD!!
by Toasted_Orange_Monster on Dec 23, 2011 10:17 AM EST reply actions
Can we make Ethan Albright 6 inches tall in real life?
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
I think there could be a clutch factor in here somewhere...
like obviously Leonard is off the charts on the clutch scale, and Hawkins and Green are way up there too. People like Shane Graham and Palmer would score pretty weak on the clutch scale.
Hey guys, don't forget to rec this.
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
by Doc Scratch on Dec 23, 2011 4:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm not rec this
b/c he forgot my name…. haha Until he edits this and puts my name on the list , this is the only comment I’ll make….
:-) Just Kidding!
cant wait!
Cant wait to get this goin
Who Dey aint tryin to see central bookins!
by NCWhoDey1987 on Dec 24, 2011 12:35 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
football stats only paint some of the picture
the more we quantify players, the less they’re players. We watch games for a reason. Let’s give the eyeball test its due. Not saying you shouldnt do it—knock yourself out—just sayin the game is more poetry than math.
B. Clifton Burke
Your right Mojo
but as a writer here or previous writer here, you know that stats are used all day and every day especially by the writers here. Not saying you did it, b/c I can’t really recall your articles being based on stats.
…..But everyday we sum up players with stats and I think it would be nice to use information created by our own fans to create our own bias opinions about players instead letting the national media kick us in the nuts all the time.
BTW, sometimes poetry can be created from math… Without stats, determination isn’t a factor for the players and therefore you wouldn’t have players trying to be the best.. Which creates poetry on the field….
I have an idea...
since we’ve all been frustrated with Jerome Simpson’s inconsistencies this year and have been calling for Caldwell’s head all season. Right now we’re all talking about letting them both leave via free agency and finding a more solid number 2 via free agency in the form of Robert Meachem, Pierre Garcon, or maybe even Stevie Johnson but I still have faith that Simpson can help us. Caldwell we need to move on from I completely agree with, especially since I think Baby Hawk and Whalen can be more effective players for us than Caldwell and we’ll have Shipley back next year but Simpson I still have hope for. My idea is why not bring in one of those guys via free agency or maybe even draft a guy we wouldn’t have to reach for like Kendall Wright or Reuben Randle if we don’t want to spend the money in free agency but at least keep Simpson on and give him another full season to prove himself. That’s a thought that hasn’t been thrown around too much.
+1
I’ve been of the mind that Simpson comes back next year, regardless of what some have said. I just honestly believe that we’ll be seeing him in Stripes next year (even before his flip TD). Bringing in a FA or drafting someone to compete for the #2 against Simpson, I think, will really make him buckle down, concentrate, and win the right to be the #2 on this team. Caldwell, I’ve been done with him for about the whole season.
AJ Green, Jerome Simpson, Jordan Shipley, Andrew Hawkins, Ryan Whalen – The question is, if we bring in a FA or draft a guy, who loses out? Or would they take 6 WRs going into the season? Then again, if we draft someone that can also return punts/kicks, it may be Tate that would lose out, or at the very least, have to compete for and win the job (so this would actually be 7 WRs if Tate were to win his job and we keep the FA/draftee). Someone that is going to compete for the #2 isn’t going to be someone we can stash on the practice squad.
I’m not saying we don’t draft a guy or bring in a FA, but it does present a dilemma, albeit a good one to be in.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Dec 26, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
It seems to me...
that the games where A.J. becomes a non-factor or can’t play are always the games in which Simpson tends to step up. I just want to see Simpson become more of a factor when we play tougher teams like Pittsburgh although he does always seem to play his best against Baltimore which is a good thing. Keep in mind on the argument against Simpson because of his inconsistencies, Gresham, who might be one of the most talented TEs in the NFL, tends to disappear a lot in games as well and has yet to break 70 yds. receiving this year but we’re not thinking about replacing him by any means because of what he gives us in the red zone and on third down. Simpson has a high ceiling and I think after a full year of starting he could really start to reach that ceiling next year.
Yes
even if we don’t bring in anyone else, I am really excited to see AJ Green, Jerome Simpson, Jordan Shipley, Andrew Hawkins, Ryan Whalen and Jermaine Gresham in years to come!
by Oregonbengalsfan on Dec 26, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure it has been mentioned
Didn’t read every post above.
I would think that a good measurement would be a player’s (taylor mays) potential, and how it would be hurt/helped by playing in the Bengals system, either under Gruden/Zimmer
Character issues must be addressed as part of this system
It’s time for the Bengals to take pass on guys who fail the character test. Guys who might be involved selling drugs, violence, or giving signed memorabilia to “dates”. If this means saying goodbye to Adam, Ced, and Jerome, so be it. We need guys able to focus on football and not distracted by legal issues. Guys able to make a conscious decision NOT to do something selfish in order to play football for ten or fifteen good years. at the same time, I do believe in second chances, If these 3 guys can put their trouble behind them before training camp fine. As for any new guys either FA’s or drafted players, its just time for some OTHER team to give them a second chance. As for ranking the I would probably use the most common stats for each position QB: completion pct., td /int ratio, Receiver: drops, yaCatch, Oline: sacks allowed, RB: ypc, yaContact, drops. Penalties should also factor for all players. et al. As to grading them or ranking them that is hard because they are all number one in our hearts. Even the troubled ones,—-Slim 15 Forever.
Agree
Nothing puts a bad taste in any fans mouth,more than a extremely overpaid athlete,we continually gets rewarded
and slapped on the hand.For things that a common man would lose his career over.
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
Ced yes, Not sure on Adam or Jerome
Cedric has continued his idiocy off the field and off season. Adam Jones really hasn’t been a terrible person.
Jerome, I would rather wait and see what actually happened there before I label him as a character problem. (Not arguing the merits of keeping him, just of labelling him)
... I still say it was a touchdown, got tammit.
Stuff happens and even good guys make bad choices but,
I just want the management to do everything they can to keep the possibility of a repeat of an ’05 season, where we had 8 players arrested for conduct off the field.
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