Updated Draft Wishlist: Post-Beatdown Edition
Well, it's starting to be pretty clear where our weaknesses are. There have been plenty of conversations lately about who we might be losing in free agency. I see us retaining everyone on our defensive line except Robert Geathers, re-signing Reggie Nelson, Adam Jones, and Manny Lawson. On offense, I can't imagine Simpson coming back and Benson should also be done. So where does that leave us?
1st round -
Morris Claiborne, CB
People are going to argue with me here, but I think we need to package our two first round picks (and potentially one later round pick) and move up into the top 10 to get Claiborne. We need to walk away from this draft with a top CB. That narrows it down to Claiborne, Dre Kirkpatrick, or Janoris Jenkins. Claiborne and Kirkpatrick will likely both be gone in the top 15, ahead of our top pick. Jenkins is too much of a character risk (and let's be honest, we're still not 100% sold on Jones). So we would likely have to move up to get either Claiborne or Kirkpatrick. Might as well go for the best and shoot for a guy who could be a true shutdown corner. He has all the coverage skills of JJo with a lot more physicality. It would allow Leon to move back to his natural role as a #2 corner (which is a major improvement all on its own) and, with Mays hopefully getting a chance to replace Crocker, you have a VASTLY improved secondary. To me, including moving Leon, this could be like adding 3 first round picks to the secondary.
2nd round -
Cordy Glenn, OG
It might be wishful thinking to hope he's still around this far down, but if he is he would be a perfect successor to Bobbie Williams at RG. Assuming Clint Boling is able to step up and compete for the starting spot at LG next year, Glenn would be an amazing force in the run game next to Andre Smith and the upgrade at both interior spots would make for a dramatically improved offense all around. I like this route over keeping our other 1st round pick to use on DeCastro because DeCastro is a more natural pass blocking LG, and I'm hoping we already have that in Boling.
3rd round -
Kendall Wright, WR
Read projections for Wright and see what word appears the most often: "Burner." He doesn't have Chris Henry's height or jumping ability, but he's basically a sure-handed version of Jerome Simpson with more speed. He's only listed as a 4.43 forty, but he plays a LOT faster than that, routinely gets behind secondaries, and already shows great body control on the sidelines. Get Jordan Shipley back in the slot and that is a scary good YOUNG receiving corp. I think we also keep Andre Caldwell on a league minimum 2-year contract as depth and to help ease Wright into the starting lineup. Send AJ and Wright on deep crossing patterns and watch safeties spin out of their cleats.
3rd round (compensatory) -
Derek Wolfe, DT
Oh boy...If Wolfe is somehow still around at the end of the 3rd round then he could end up being the steal of the draft. I think you could draft this guy in the 2nd and it would still be a value pick. He's that good. If he played for a bigger school he'd easily be a first round pick. He's just unstoppable. He's like a nastier Justin Smith who routinely sheds double-teams. He leads the Big East in tackles for a loss and leads the BCS in sacks from a defensive tackle. I can't say enough about him. If we find a way to land him this late, I'll be ecstatic. Dunlap/Atkins/Wolfe/MJ could absolutely shred offensive lines for years.
4th round -
Isaiah Pead, RB
Two Bearcats in a row? There might be a hint of homerism here, but only in the sense that I'm comfortable waiting until the 4th round for Pead instead of going after a Monte Ball or a LaMichael James in the 3rd and I think Pead has slipped on draft boards after slowing down a bit towards the end of the season. Pead is not going to be a feature back most likely. But I do think he could be a great complement to Bernard Scott, splitting the runs almost 40/40 with the rest going to Brian Leonard. He has tremendous hands out of the backfield and can split out into the slot. Shows great patience on waiting for screens and delays to develop, and has a burst when he sees a hole. He's a great fit for Gruden's offense that will hopefully be relying on Scott to be more of the homerun threat next year while allowing Pead to become more of a prototypical WCO back. Worst case scenario, he's a 4th round pick and with our extra picks in 2013 you look for a true feature back in the top rounds (I'm still looking at you, Trent Richardson...)
I'll stop there since it's likely BPA from that point on. I still think we should address depth at LB, OT, probably another CB or a S, and you can never have too many pass rushers, so if there's a project DE in there somewhere I'll never complain about that. Anyway, feel free to discuss. Anything but dissecting that nightmare of a "game" last Sunday...
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors.
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I think you mean Janoris Jenkins in first point....
by The Van Buren Boys on Dec 6, 2011 12:16 PM EST reply actions
lets see how Oakland fares
we may not need to package anything to get into the top 12-15.
I say keep every pick and make it count. defensive backs and O-line would be my preference. Look for linebackers and WRs in free agency if any are available
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And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
Agree.......
it’s all about secondary and O-line for me. I think we can find a RB and WR in free agency, I would hate to draft a WR that would take time to develop (they typically do) when this team is close to being a serious contender already. Let’s address our main two areas of need and fill in the rest through FA.
by The Van Buren Boys on Dec 6, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
If there was a safety worth taking in the first 3 rounds, I'd be all for it
But I really believe that Mays could be a force once ZImmer has an entire offseason to work with him.
Safety Mark Barron from Alabama
They are projecting he is a mid to late first round pick, why not use our first rounder on him? and Oakland’s on a CB?
He's a SS, not much in coverage
I mean we could definitely use an upgrade over Crocker at SS, but I think what most of us really want in a high round safety pick is a ball hawk coverage safety. I really think we already have Crocker’s replacement in Mays.
im kind of a fan of markelle martin
and we could possibly get him in the 2-3 range… hes more of a ball hawking safety… just throwing a name out there
my biggest dream though
would be to go after laron landry in free agency
Absolutely not
Claiborne is no Revis. We’d be better off taking Jenkins or Minnifield with one of our 1st picks. I also don’t think Glenn will be available in the 2nd round. We might want to grab Decastro (if he falls to us) with our 1st overall pick. In the 2nd we need to grab either David Wilson (RB) or best available safety. Why would you want another WR with our 3rd pick? I’d grab another CB in the 3rd round and a DT in the 4th.
What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.
Why would I want another WR?
Is that a serious question? Either we’re going to need to draft a receiver high or we’re going to have to go after a top FA. We clearly need another outside threat and I can’t imagine anyone thinks that’s going to be Simpson or Caldwell next year. If we can sign Marques Colston or Anthony Gonzalez before the draft then that will change things a lot, but we’re not even sure who’s going to be available. I think a third round WR is a good value. We’re going to need more bodies at the position, anyway. And I’ll keep saying it over and over again – if there was a safety worth taking, I’d take him. But this is a REALLY thin draft for safeties. There certainly aren’t any in the first round.
We don't need another receiver
Green and Simpson is more than enough, then you got Shipley and Hawkins in the slot……why would you waste a 3rd rounder on a position we don’t need?
What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.
“Green and Simpson is more than enough”
Jerome Simpson isn’t signed for next year and I haven’t seen him do a thing that would suggest the Cincinnati Bengals should pick him up as a free agent after this season. Nothing about this statement makes any sense, except that it refers to AJ Green being a good football player. That part I’m on board with.
If you can't take criticism don't post a fan post.
IMO, Simpson is more than enough as a 2nd receiver. If you want a receiver take him in the 6th or 7th. We have many more pressing needs.
What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.
I think I'm taking it just fine
I just think your argument is very flawed. First of all, it assumes we’ll have a player next year that we don’t have under contract. Second, you’re saying that we should sign a player as a free agent that hasn’t shown to be particularly good at playing football. And third, we’ve seen what a 1/2 combo of Green and Simpson is like and it can CLEARLY be upgraded either through the draft or free agency. I’m just talking here, but I don’t buy your logic for those reasons.
So what if he's a free agent?
You think Simpson will be hard to sign? I’m not saying he’s a beast, I’m saying he is a servicable #2 wideout. I don’t think signing him will be a problem. My problem with your logic is that taking a WR in the 3rd is extremely high for a team that has at least 5 other needs. CB (possible 2 before the 3rd), OG (possibly 2 before the 3rd round), FS, RB………..if you don’t think those positions are of greater need than a WR then I don’t know what games you’ve been watching.
What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.
Signign him won't be a problem, no
But why would we WANT to? That’s what I’m saying. I’m all for addressing the WR issue (and it IS an issue, regardless of what you seem to think) through free agency instead of the draft. But it’s going to have to be someone a lot better than Jerome Simpson. We’ve given him enough time, now we move on. Meachum, Colston, Gonzalez, Nicks all could be on the market. They’d be more expensive than Simpson, but any of them would be a major upgrade. There’s no reason to stick with Simpson anymore. If you want to go the cheap route, you draft a rookie at this point. I dont’ think suggesting a 3rd round WR pick is that extreme of a solution. And I happen to think Wright is a steal in the 3rd.
Those are all positions of need, but so is a legitimate #2 receiver in my opinion (and a lot of other people’s too, I might add). Greater? Maybe. But I already am suggesting draftin ga top CB and OG before mentioning a receiver, and I don’t see a FS worth picking that high. I also think that Reggie Nelson has played pretty damn well and that Taylor Mays can be the upgrade we need at SS, so I don’t want to reach for a guy there.
FS
Trenton Robinson from MSU and Whitley from Virginia Tech would all be decent picks in the 3rd.
I would try to sign one of those receivers in FA but I wouldn’t waste a high pick in the draft for a WR.
What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.
I am assuming that
And I could be wrong, but I think the more important point is that I dont’ see any elite backs in this draft now that Richardson is out of the mix. They’ll all get bumped up a BIT, but I don’t see someone reaching for Miller or Ball or Polk in the top 15 when most of those guys are being projected as 2nd rounders at best. You’re right, though. The combine could change a lot of things. Bowl games, too. Scouts love them some bowl games. Just look at Nick Fairley last year. People liked him, but all of a sudden after the BCS title game people were talking about him going #1.
Pead
I haven’t watched Pead much, but if we wait that long to take a RB, I would rather have Boom Herron than Pead. To me, Herron is more powerful. I would love to grab both Pead and Herron to replace Benson and Scott.
That said, I would rather use our two first round picks on a corner and Montee Ball. We have a luxury in that the corne we take can take a year to develop while our last two had to be thrown into the fire.
It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob. ~ The Brain
ball scares me
He has such a good line, so how good is he really?
by JCompton41 on Dec 6, 2011 1:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Are you kidding me?
Ball is the prototypical back. He is shifty, strong, fast, great vision…he’s the perfect back.
What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.
I wouldn't be against drafting Ball
But not in the first round. MAYBE in the 2nd if we go DeCastro/Jenkins in the first.
No way Ball falls to the 2nd round.
What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.
Maybe not DEEP in the 2nd
But Ingram was the first RB off the board last year in the 20’s. If Richardson stays at Alabama then Miller will be the first back off the board this year, probably about the same place. I could see Ball going early-mid 2nd. ALso, if you like Monte Ball, what about Chris Polk? Basically the same size. Pol’s a little quicker. Haven’t watched as much film on him, and he doesn’t have the TD numbers that Ball has, but they seem similar.
You don't know if Miller is the 1st back off the board.
You’ve got Polk, Ball, and James…IMO, depending on their performance in the scouting combine could all go before Miller. I see a team easily jumping the gun around the teens for any of those backs. Richardson is going to stay in college I think which will make it a lot harder for us to get a top back in the 2nd round.
What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.
I could see that
It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob. ~ The Brain
Monte Ball, Chris Polk and Cyrus Gray
All remind of each other, they are all out of the Ray Rice mold. I don’t think I’d go RB until the 3rd round b/c these guys all have such similiar skill sets and I think you could easily get one of them in 3rd round with great value
Love Kendall Wright and love the idea of ading a speed guy but not sure if I’m going WR that early either, mostly because WR’s not named AJ Green generally take a few years to develop in the NFL I’d prefer to pick up a veteran WR in free agency as our #2 and let both Caldwell and Simpson walk. – Pierre Garcon or Robert Meechum.
Montee Ball is not a Ray Rice mold
I think Montee is more of a Marshall Lynch type.
What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.
he just never gets touched for 10 yards
So it makes me iffy on him.
by JCompton41 on Dec 6, 2011 3:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't see us trading two first round picks for one...
…that doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense to me.
A lot of it depends on who we re-sign but I’m hoping we are able to re-sign most of our free agents—particularly on defense. I agree on Benson—he won’t be back.
Personally, I think we go CB (Jenkins possibly), RB (Lamar Miller), and interior Offensive line. I could foresee us snagging a WR late but I don’t see it as a priority—if Simpson and or Caldwell don’t come back, there will be no shortage of journeyman WRs out there.
no way we trade both firsts for a corner
There are a lot of good corners in this draft. Minfield, gilmore, and more. Glenn won’t be around by the bengals second, be lucky to make it out of the first. And I’m almost positive we don’t get comp for jjoe because we’ve signed clements, Lawson and Howard.
by JCompton41 on Dec 6, 2011 1:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Hobson seemed to think we'd be getting a comp for JJo
I’ve heard it argued both ways. When would we know for sure?
They usually announce it in March...
…so we have some time to wait. I’m not sure if we will get anything because we may have signed more qualifying free agents than we lost. I know we lost Joseph and Mathis—who else? Dan Coats? Quan Cosby? Not sure if these guys qualify.
At most we would get a 7th rounder.
don't like the trade up
predictably. But my reasoning is this.. if the Bengals draft a top 10 CB, they’re not going to pay both him and Hall, so as soon as one of their contracts comes up they’re gone.
Also I’d prefer to take advantage of the two picks. The cost to move up is very rarely worth what you get, especially if it’s from 15 & 20-ish to the top 6 or 7, which may be necessary for the CB you’re aiming at.
I’d prefer to get the best O-lineman or DB available at each spot in the first round, then BPA. As long as a RB is taken in the 2nd or 3rd.
Hall's signed for 4 years
Whoever we draft will be signed for 4 years. That’s a pretty large window. And at that point, you’re probably not looking at Hall as a top CB anymore. I dont’ think he was when he got THIS contract, and now after the Achilles I think he’ll be pretty mediocre. Plenty of time to draft another CB over the next 2-3 seasons to groom as his replacement. Hopefully you hit a homerun with whoever we get first this year and you actually KEEP HIM AROUND.
Also, my main reasoning for justifying the trade...
I think Kirpatrick looks like Leon hall – a really good #2 corner. Jenkins could turn out to be a #1 guy, but because of all the character nonsense we haven’t seen him play against top competition, so it’s a gamble. Claiborne is going to be a #1 corner. He may not be Revis, but no one is Revis. I think he could easily be better than JJo, and we would all be happy to still have JJo. So, like I said in the original post, drafting a guy I believe will be a true #1 lets us move Leon back to #2. That improves both cornerback spots with one move, giving us first round talent at both again. Even before the injury, Leon wasn’t playing like a first round talent because he was out of his depth against #1 receivers.
Draft Kirkpatrick or Jenkins and you could still have to play Leon at 1, and you may have not improved anything over just keeping Adam Jones in the starting rotation. You may have just used a top draft pick for a nickel corner. Trade up to get Claiborne, then you have Leon and Jones competing for the #2 spot with the loser playing nickel.
Taylor Mays replacing Crocker?
Who’s brain did you switch him with? He has shown no ability to read offenses & cover effectively at any level in his life.
I'm giving Zimmer the benefit of the doubt
Marvin and Zimmer really wanted him in the draft, and they really wanted him when he went on the trading block. I have to assume those two guys know more about defensive football players than any of us do. When we traded for him, I never got the impression that the goal was to have him starting this year. Seemed to me like they wanted to mold him into their kind of player. With most of a regular season and an entire offseason, I’m going to trust Zimmer to be able to do that.
So do I...
I mean it’s not like we gave up much for him. A 7th round pick I think? But if he could finally live up to his potential he could be a game changer.
I'm actually pretty happy with Reggie Nelson at FS
So we’re talking about upgrading the SS position. I really do think we have to give Mays a shot at being that guy next year. Combine that with a weak talent pool at the position this year, and I’m inclined to pass on a safety. I think by drafting Claiborne (or Kirkpatrick or Jenkins) you do enough to solidify the secondary. And if it’s still a weakness next year, hopefully there’s some better safeties up top. But I think, regardless of what any of US wants, Marvin and Zimmer are going to lean towards giving Mays a shot to earn the job before they look to this year’s draft.
i like the Wright Pick, i had him too
IF the STEELERS AND RAVENS HAVE A BURNER WE NEED ONE TO PLAY WITH THEM TO
Free agency has to happen first
Too much depends on who gets signed or re-signed. I think there should be some help from outside the organization if there is someone out there worth getting. There are some quality corners like Porter and Webb that will get out into the open market, especially with both teams having higher priorities to franchise. MB has to start moving closer to that salary floor that he has to stick to next season (one would think) in order not to just get stuck with… You know, I still won’t try and use rational logic when talking about him.
Regardless, one or two free agents shape the needs of this team drastically. I think doing so will shape the draft. I would love to see DeCastro (or Glenn if Decastro gets taken as NO WAY Glenn slips to the 2nd round) and Lamarr Miller. Good guards are usually kept, and there is a fast learning curve if the talent is there. RBs wear out too quickly to address in free agency. Quality DBs last a long time barring injury.
Try not to take the above message too seriously.
Absolutely do not package our 1st round picks
We can get tremendous value with both picks possibly two DB’s or a DB and an OL or RB so no way.
Who will be the FA Cbs next year?
I’d rather have an experienced corner (you know someone like J. Joseph) than a rook. Unless he’s the second coming of D. Revis.
"At the very end, somebody took a dump right where I stood in the dugout every day." Dusty Baker
I don't think there are any top CB's set to hit the free agent market next year
Webb was mentioned. I don’t think he’s much better than Clements. CB’s are hard to come by. You pretty much have to draft them. It’s why it was such a colossal blunder to let JJo go. The idea that we’d just be able to “plug the hole” with some cheaper free agents is such backwards thinking.
at some point
the front office will have to accept the fact that DBs and linemen are vital and in todays NFL make big money.
No Compensatory Pick
Reedy said a while back that we will not be getting a compensatory pick for JJoe because of the free agents (Clements, Lawson and Howard) we signed in the offseason.
Yeah and then a couple weeks ago Hobson did a mock draft that included a 3rd round compensatory
At the very least I think it’s a little ambiguous right now. I wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t get one, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if we did.
If Ced is gone
I’d like to see us pick up Micheal Bush. Not much wear and tear on him yet, and is a good reciever. Can’t seem to verify if he is a unrestricted free agent though.
by wilky on Dec 8, 2011 9:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Everyone's been screaming for him for a couple seasons it seems
but I wonder how long he can stay productive with his style. Also I doubt the Raiders let him walk, but they do seem to have quite a stable of RBs now. Michael Turner aside, you generally don’t see the good backups going to another team. The Giants, Panthers, Cowboys, etc all hang on to all their playmaker RBs.

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