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Biggest Need This Offseason: Bengals Have To Stock The Roster With Safeties

With the Bengals having questions of free agency, stalled by the looming Collective Bargaining Agreement, the Bengals may have to decide on what to do with safeties Roy Williams and Chinedum Ndukwe, both of whom will be free agents on March 4. Williams will be an unrestricted free agent while Ndukwe will be restricted.

With the injuries suffered by this unit, and expiring contracts, the Bengals have to rebuild and stock the position as much as possible. It is, as we'll call it this offseason, the team's biggest need.

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The season started awful for our safeties. Gibril Wilson, signed by the Bengals on May 10, suffered a torn ACL against the Philadelphia Eagles, placed on season-ending IR several days later. Wilson will be a free agent. Roy Williams, who only played four games with the Bengals in 2009 due to injuries, missed four games this year with a knee injury and concussion. Chinedum Ndukwe suffered a major knee injury at Pittsburgh in mid-December, placed on Injured Reserve the following day. Both will be free agents. Tom Nelson, who spent the first five games on PUP after suffering a knee injury against the Jets in the regular season finale in 2009, had his season come to an end on December 14 after he was placed on the Reserve/Non-Football list. Nelson will be an Exclusive-Rights free agent.

Chris Crocker, a versatile defensive back that signed with the Bengals midway through the 2008 season, will turn 31 this offseason. His season came to an end when he suffered an MCL injury against the Buffalo Bills. In three seasons with the Bengals, Crocker has three interceptions and 3.5 quarterback sacks with the Bengals, playing 30 of a possible 40 games. Crocker is signed through 2012.

Reggie Nelson, traded for David Jones with Jacksonville, played every game in 2010, including six starts was the only Bengals safety to finish the season playing all 16 games. As the season went on, his contributions and production dramatically increased. He finished the year with 51 tackles, seven passes defensed, two interceptions and two forced fumbles. He also finished the season ranked fifth with six special teams tackles. Nelson is entering the final year under contract.

While Marvin White will be a free agent, Jeromy Miles and Rico Murray are signed through 2011.

There's little doubt that the Bengals biggest need this offseason is safety.

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Sign a young guy.

Bring back Doom, give Reggie an extension, keep Crocker for a year. I’d be okay with that safety tandem, Reggie earned a starting position and we need some youth at the SS position. Ndukwe’s good but no stellar and having another great player like Deandre McDaniel would be great.

by Doc Scratch on Feb 12, 2011 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

Safety is the only major concern

on defense besides resigning J Jo. Put a household name at the Safety spot and this D has the potential to be SB quality.

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by hachigo! on Feb 12, 2011 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

The only major concern?

Until the Bengals can consistently stop the other’s team run offense, we’ll need better tackles. I’d go for a tackle, Farley if available, before I’d worry about taking a safety.

by no kidding on Feb 12, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like I'll need to do a post on this years Safety class soon.

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 12, 2011 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

I'd love a post about that!

I’m holding out hope that Rahim Moore will be available in round 2. While I can’t claim to be an expert on the guy I saw UCLA play a couple times this year and his athleticism really stood out. I also like that hes more of a free safety because i’ve always felt the majority of our in-house guys (crocker, williams, ndukwe) are true strong safeties that we’ve been playing out of position at times (especially crocker!).

by CincyMike56 on Feb 12, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Rahim Moore is like a Jairus Byrd from Buffalo

Good FS. More of an athletic deep coverage guy than he is a in the box type safety. But thats ok because we need that. He has alot of room to improve technique wise. Takes bad angles to the ball carrier, bites of fake, back peddle can be high which hurts him when he has to turn and run. But he very athletic, has great ball skills, good size, great anticipation. I say he goes from picks 28-40 and is a day 1 starter.

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 12, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

How does that jive with Reggie Nelson though?

I know that he was listed at SS last year, but it seemed like he played a lot of FS too.

Fight Bengals Fatalism!

by Paul Cannon on Feb 12, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I keep forgetting

was Nelson a FS in college and J’ville converted him to SS, where he struggled? Or was it the other way round? Whatever position he was playing towards the end of this season is where he belongs.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Feb 12, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

He was playing FS towards the end

That’s where he should be.

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 12, 2011 5:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He was a FS in college

and his 1st year with Jax. They tried to convert him to SS and it didn’t work. Yeah he did play some SS here last year, but was used as a FS most the time.

by WHYUS!! on Feb 12, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

we cant worry about the vets on the roster

None of them are great. You either have a good safety or you don’t. Its cut and dry at this point. And right now, we don’t have one that’s worth anything. So we draft the best one available no matter FS or SS.

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 12, 2011 5:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

What are your thoughts on Reggie?

Can he be a good to elite safety for us? Also, if you do a write up, would love it if you compared his skills to the guys we are drafting.

by The Dealio on Feb 12, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

good idea

Ill put something about Reggie in.

My thoughts: Nelson graded last year in the “average” category by Profootballfocus. (Take that for what its worth.) I know he’s an athlete back there. Good ball skills. I was suprised by the way he was willing to come up and tackle or lay a big hit. I thought he played good the final 4 weeks. You know how Zimmer and even Marvin have been able to take average athletes at Safety, and get good production out of them. They have to be smart. With the talent level at CB, our safeties don’t have to help cover or almost ever go 1 on 1 with a WR. So maybe the light just clicked for Nelson over the past 3-4 games. Maybe he understands the system now?

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 13, 2011 10:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He's 1st round talent

So I’m assuming that he’s a better than average athlete. I put him in a class above Crocker, Williams, NDukwe, and whoever else we had back there.

Fight Bengals Fatalism!

by Paul Cannon on Feb 13, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

athletically, Yes

R Nelson rivals J.Joe in pure athleticism

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 13, 2011 4:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think Peterson is looking like an obvious choice for us if he's available

and willing to play safety… Plus with Cam Newton creeping up on people’s radars there is a better chance that he slips

by The Dealio on Feb 12, 2011 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

#4 is too high for a safety.....

Even one as good as Peterson. Safeties just don’t go that high.

Plenty of safety options in rounds 2 and 3. Not to mention, this may be a good position to fill via FA. Can’t draft help at every position of need.

by Stanley1 on Feb 12, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry, but this makes no sense.

Of course you would take someone with Ed Reed / Ronnie Lott potential. If you think he’s going to be a perennial pro-bowler, you snatch him up at any spot. The question is, does Peterson have that type of potential as either a FS or a CB?

With the number 4, we have to take our best guess at who will be a dominant player at whatever position he plays. We need a playmaker on the field… at literally any position.

by Boomer Lion on Feb 12, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

On top of that, safetey is a big unknown.

Nelson might turn out to be a great pick-up. I would not mind seeing Peterson and McDaniel.

by Boomer Lion on Feb 12, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Elite players are elite players

Eric Berry went 5th overall last year… Roy Williams was the 8th pick… I say if he’s elite we should grab him.

by The Dealio on Feb 12, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

it dosent matter the postion

If the guys a game changer you take him. Safteys can be the biggest playmaker on defense. If a team had a chance to take ed reed or troy p at first overall I’m sure they would.

by JCompton41 on Feb 12, 2011 4:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Safety prospects

The Bengals certainly need a playmaking/difference-maker/enforcer at the safety position.

I like DeAndre McDaniel in the third round (his character concerns might cause him to drop that far). The kid has first round talent and is not afraid to mix it up. He also has tremendous ball skills, even though his pass coverage skills seemed to have dropped from the previous season.

If we look for more of an enforcer-type, I like Jeron Johnson as a possible mid-round pick. This guy is a big time hitter, a four year starter ( so he has played in some big games for Boise State), and a very aggressive and willing tackler ( classic ‘in the box’ safety). He is a little undersized, does not have blazing speed, and has had off the field issues, but overall I think JJ will be a more than productive NFL safety for a long time.

by The_Black_Stripes on Feb 12, 2011 5:39 PM EST reply actions  

Another enforcer type

who’s ranked pretty low, mainly because of his size(5’-9", 185) is Ahmad Black. He plays much bigger, hits like a truck, and has a real nose for the ball. I think of him as a slightly bigger Bob Sanders.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Feb 12, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Ndukwe

Should NOT be tendered an offer by the Bengals. By all accounts, Chinidum is a nice guy and very involved in the community, but the guy is a true liability (both in coverage and against the run) on defense. Specifically, I will make the argument that Ndukwe single handedly lost the game against Saints this year. I am generally against the notion that a single player can cost a team a win, but in this case ( game against the Saints) the film simply doesn’t lie. As an aside, I live outside of the 75-mile blackout radius ( and also have DirecTV’s NFL Sunday Ticket ), so I was able to watch the game (dvr-ed it as I do all Bengals games, so I can go back and watch).

The biggest issues after the Saints game was Pat Sims being drawn offside on the Saints game winning TD drive, as well as the whole clock mismanagement issue on the Bengals last drive. However, for people who were able to watch the game (and re-watch it, as I do), it was abundantly clear just how bad of a safety Ndukewe really is. For example, the Chris Ivory long TD run was a direct result of a comically bad angle Ndukwe took to make the play. if Ndukewe had been in the right place by not taking the absurdly wrong angle, the run would have been for 8 yards, instead of a 50- yard plus TD run. Then, in pass coverage, he took another horrendously bad angle to try to make a play on the ball, and the ball went over his hand, and was caught for a first down on a critical 3rd down play in the third quarter. The saints went on to score a TD on the same drive. If chinny takes a more reasonable angle on the third down pass play, he more than likely breaks up the pass, and the Saints are forced to punt.

I encourage all Bengals fans to google the Chris ivory TD run against the bengals and watch the angle Ndukwe takes. As I watched live on the day of that game, I literally jumped off my couch and had a few choice words for chinny.

Lastly, I have never took a liking to his ‘celebratory’ gesture he does when he makes a “big” play ( which, in his mind, is a routine tackle after a rb gains good yardage). We all know his gesture – the annoying one in which he uses his two thumbs to point to his last name on the back of his jersey. Hey Chinny, it’s NOT the name on the back of the jersey that matters, pal. I have always been extremely annoyed by this. Simply put, Ndukwe should NOT be re-signed.

by The_Black_Stripes on Feb 12, 2011 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not real big on Ndukwe as a player either

If I remember correctly, Eric Thomas made the same comment about the angle Ndukwe took on Ivory’s run that same night on the “Sports Rock” panel.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Feb 12, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Reggie Nelson could be our starting FS.

Nelson did really well as a FS. Brandon Ghee should be converted to safety as the backup FS/SS.

by ddbumpus on Feb 12, 2011 10:30 PM EST reply actions  

lets not forget

Ghee was a 3rd round pick. He still has starting ability. He does have the size to play FS and he’s a willing tackler.

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 13, 2011 10:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Jay Valai

with the way zimmer uses our safeties…I’d gobble him up in the 4th…next bob sanders imho

by joeb69 on Feb 13, 2011 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

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