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NFL Draft: Dream Scenario Unfolding for the Bengals?

Conventional wisdom would say when you have the fourth overall pick, you can expect to pick the fourth best player in the draft. Right? But what if the Bengals still had their top three players on the board when they're on the clock? That would be crazy because nothing good like that ever happens to this team. Well recent events around the league may have made this dream scenario possible.

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Since the national championship game, the common thought was defensive tackle, Nick Fairley (Auburn) would be the first overall pick in the 2011 NFL Draft. The Panthers have a need at defensive tackle and Fairley is one of the top rated players. Until Wednesday, this was pretty much still the consensus around the league. Yesterday, the Carolina Panthers decided to use the Franchise tag on center Ryan Kalil instead of stud defensive end Charles Johnson. Also, highly respected draft guru Gil Brandt said, "I would be shocked if Cam Newton wasn't the first pick." Where does this leave the Panthers with the first pick? I think it opens their options up to three players, Cam Newton (QB, Auburn), DaQuan Bowers (DE, Clemson) and the previous favorite, Nick Fairley. If Cam Newton is the pick, this could possibly push down a player for the Bengals.

The Denver Broncos re-signed future Hall of Fame cornerback Champ Bailey to a four-year d eal worth $43 million. The thought was Denver possibly didn't value Bailey enough to pay him this type of money at his age. Draft analysts have been pegging LSU CB Patrick Peterson to the Broncos with the 2nd pick in the draft. This is still a possible match because Denver needs more help in the secondary, including at safety where Peterson can play also. But the biggest change in Denver's draft philosophy is the transition from a 3-4 base defense to a more traditional 4-3 defense that new head coach John Fox ran for the past 8 years while with the Carolina Panthers. So now Denver must focus on their defensive line. They could use help across the entire line. This is where we could see the aforementioned Bowers or Fairley taken if they haven't been already. Alabama's Marcell Dareus and North Carolina's Robert Quinn also figure to be in the mix. I'm inclined to say they go defensive end with DaQuan Bowers being atop many draft boards and Robert Quinn is ready to blow up the combine. (Not really. That would be bad.)

Where does this leave the Bills? Let's say Cam Newton makes it past the Panthers. He could go first overall, or at the very least to Buffalo with the 3rd pick. For the sake of this argument, we're going to say Newton goes first overall. Then Denver goes defensive end. With Buffalo picking 3rd, they're as big of a wild card as you can get. I wish they weren't picking right in front of the Bengals. The Bills seem to go best player available, and with the biggest upside. They've thrown character out with picks like Travis Henry, Willis McGahee, Marshawn Lynch, Aaron Maybin, J.P. Losman... the list really goes on. That's why I truly believe they would jump on Cam Newton if he were available. If he isn't, they go biggest defensive front-seven play maker available. (Say that five times fast.) Players who fit this are Bowers, Fairley, Quinn, Dareus, and Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller.  I don't think they go Patrick Peterson. They might be the front-runners to land free agent safety Bob Sanders, and that could be their way of solidifying the secondary so they can focus draft needs on the front seven.

So let me lay this scenario out for you. The Carolina Panthers get a shot in the arm and a new face of the franchise in quarterback Cam Newton. The Denver Broncos help make the transition back to a 4-3 base defense with defensive end DaQuan Bowers with the second pick. Bowers can play strong side, while former Pro Bowler Elvis Dumerville goes back to right defensive end. The Buffalo Bills with the 3rd pick get a guy that can fit their hybrid defense. Robert Quinn can play DE in a 4-3 or OLB in a 3-4. Either way, Quinn severely upgrades Buffalo's ability to rush the passer.

This is where the Bengals have a decision to make. It's possible that the top three players on their big board are available at the fourth pick. A.J. Green (WR, Georgia), Patrick Peterson, and Nick Fairley. All three are immediate impact players, with elite potential, and starters on the first day of training camp. So whom do you take?

AJ Green- A Calvin Johnson-Larry Fitzgerald type of wide out that starts right away and forces defenses to double him from the get-go. Add Green to a lineup with second-year studs Jermaine Gresham and Jordan Shipley. There will be a new QB at some point for the Bengals. If you're trying to attract a free agent or you need to put talent around a young draft pick. What QB could fail with that group of raw and upcoming talent?

Patrick Peterson- The Broncos may have also hurt the chances of the Bengals re-signing free agent to be Jonathan Joseph. I don't think the deal that Champ Bailey got was crazy, and I would be willing to give the same deal to Joseph, but Bengals management probably won't go there. So there's a need for a starting corner back and starting safety on the Bengals. Peterson can fill both while adding punt return abilities that can change the game. Mike Zimmer's defense was at its best when it had two good and healthy corners. If we want to get back to that, Peterson needs to be heavily considered.

Nick Fairley- Would it be a stretch to call him a fan favorite around here? Some teams classify his rough playing style as dirty, but I think the majority of Bengals fans just call it nasty, and I mean that in a good way. He's big man that can also create pressure up the middle while also bringing attitude to a defense? Sounds good to me. Defensive tackle might not be a big need, but Nick Fairley would make some veterans expendable. Is it possible Tank Johnson or even Domata Peko could be out if Nick Fairley were drafted? Maybe, but Fairley, Pat Sims and Geno Atkins sound like a good, young rotation that can give opposing offensive lines fits for years.

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In this scenario. Who do you take?
A.J. Green - WR - Georgia
335 votes
Patrick Peterson - CB/S - LSU
211 votes
Nick Fairley - DT - Auburn
527 votes

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I've been conflicted lately about Fairley..

I love his mean streak. But I’ve been very hard on Bowers as a one year wonder, and unfairly forgetful of the fact that most of Fairley’s production came this past year as well. The top draft minds are calling Marcell Dareus the “safe pick at DT” and with our history of first round draft picks perhaps I’d prefer the safe pick. He’s had 3 years of solid production in a complicated Saban defense with no drama surrounding his name. If the coaches think he fits the Zimmer 4-3 I’m almost beginning to think it’s the right choice. Plus, he will likely be there even if a dream scenario doesn’t play out.

by Cry on Feb 27, 2011 6:21 PM EST reply actions  

Keith Rivers was also a 'safe' pick

And 3 years later, we’re all complaining about how we need a playmaker on defense.

Here’s the thing: our defense is overall pretty solid, which allows the team some flexibility if they are going defense. It’s also lacking an elite guy (or two), so given those two factors, I’d take the riskier, but higher ceiling in Fairley.

Fight Bengals Fatalism!

by Paul Cannon on Feb 27, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

There is no true safe pick in the draft. I’d rather have the upside.

by emeybee on Feb 27, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

amen

" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe

by palewook on Feb 28, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

You're logic is impeccable, Cry.

And Dareus would be the safest pick- at least of the defensive players(AJ Green probably being the closest thing to a sure thing this year). But I see Nick Fairley as a sort of Ray Lewis on the defensive line. Aggressive and mean but without, apparently, that translating into off the field drama. In interviews, he seems like a soft-spoken enthusiastic sort of guy. I want mean. I want our defense to instill fear in the hearts of our opponents. I want to get in to QBs’ heads before they ever step foot on the field against us. And I’ll take a couple unnecessary roughness calls here and there to get it if need be. I want our defense- our whole team really, to have some swagger, swagger that they back up every Sunday and, to me, Fairley is most likely to bring that with him.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Feb 27, 2011 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

That's what I've been saying.

He’s really quiet and not an idiot off the field. He’s just super aggressive on the field, which is exactly what I want out of a D-lineman.

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Feb 27, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

also please note that Fairley showed up at the Combine...

At 6’3" 291 lbs

2 inches and 14 lbs lighter than we thought

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 27, 2011 6:37 PM EST reply actions  

I thought he was that height

and he probably lost a bit training like a demon for the Combine. I think he’ll play at 310-315.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Feb 27, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

i thought he was at least 6'4". thats why he played with such leverage issues.

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 27, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Please elaborate.

Do you mean that we should be hesitant on big fatties because of Moobs? I think that’s a valid point; it would be nice to have somewhat who works hard enough to be under his expected weight.

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Feb 27, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Defense in 1st...

I don’t see Green turning this offense around from day 1. I say go best available defender available. I’d hope Bowers or Quinn could be available at #4, but if not, Peterson would be the guy. Thanks to MB’s tight wallet, Joseph is as good as gone since his price tag got so steep. Next year, Hall will be up for a pay day but I hope he stays.
I think Baldwin could still be around in the early 2nd if we still think we need a play-making WR (a lot can happen until draft day that could change that idea). Ponder should be considered in the 2nd as well, but Dalton, Stanzi and Kaepernick may last to the 3rd. Plus, Greg Little buried his own draft status at the Combine so he could even be a late round consideration (since character issues never caused Cincy to shy away from anyone).

by apgj on Feb 27, 2011 7:10 PM EST reply actions  

Learn from the past.

Why does everybody think a WR will help more than defense. Does nobody remember the last 15 years, when we did happen to have a good offense and no defense to go with it. I know our first round defensive picks have not all been stellar, but compared to the offensive picks, I say stick to the D.
Any of the top defensive picks would be more beneficial in the next 2-4 years than a WR with no proven QB to throw him the ball. And what happens when you draft Green, maybe get a QB that starts producing in the couple years, about the same time that Greens rookie contract runs out and he leaves town.
If CP does retire, the D needs to keep us in more games. And any defensive position has quality players with expiring contracts in the next 2 years that need replaced.

by nyeguy on Feb 27, 2011 7:44 PM EST reply actions  

I agree.

If we’re going into next year without a good QB, we need a great defense to even be competitive.

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by sexsalad on Feb 27, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

#3 agree

If they can put someone opposite Dunlap, Odom can be let go to sign J. Joe.

by apgj on Feb 27, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

how does anyone think a new WR will help this team?

by indesignkat on Feb 27, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody is saying that.....

At least, I’m not.

You don’t draft for need with the 4th pick, when your team won 4 games the year before. You draft the best player available, so long as they aren’t assured to be blocked by a better player. Example, if you have a young Tom Brady as your QB, you don’t draft a QB with the 4th pick, even if that is the best available player.

If we draft a DE that high, there is a chance they don’t even start next year. I know everybody wants to upgrade the defense, and DL, but I don’t see either as a HUGE problem. I think the offense is the side of the ball that needs an infusion of youth/talent.

Green could be a one in a generation type receiver. In 2-3 years, he might be a top 5 WR in the NFL. I don’t think anybody can say the same about any of the DE’s in the draft, and not about Fairley either.

We aren’t picking a player at #4 that immediately makes us better. We’re picking the best player, or the guy that might be the best in a couple of years. Talent. Pure, talent. That is what Cincy needs.

by Stanley1 on Feb 27, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Green has no one to throw to him!

A WR is pretty much the most difficult position to evaluate talent, particularly when your QB position is lacking. See: Detroit Lions

AJ Green might be great, and he might be a flop. But even if he is great— how much impact did Fitzgerald have this year with a subpar QB? I would rather take a risky QB who, if he pans out, could have a huge impact on the team, than a a WR who even in the best case scenario might help us in a couple years when we get a reliable QB under center.

I really don’t understand all the pro-WR talk.

by emeybee on Feb 27, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Who cares?

Just b/c we might not have a great QB next year, doesn’t mean we won’t have one the following year, or the year after that.

With no QB, it doesn’t matter how good our defense is, we aren’t going to win many games.

by Stanley1 on Feb 28, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd give my left nut to get Fairley.

I’m just hoping that weighing in a little light drops his stock just enough for him to fall to us.

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by sexsalad on Feb 27, 2011 7:55 PM EST reply actions  

bowers

i’ll take bowers, i hope he is available

by nadfflictar on Feb 27, 2011 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

I'm standing by my prediction

That AJ Green will be their pick at #4. I’d be happy with him or any others of “The Big 4” in the draft.

For those in the anti-AJ Green group, you have to look at the fact that WR is a position of need this year and by all accounts, he seems like a good kid and the surest thing in this draft. He’d be an immediate impact and though there are higher position needs, no other player brings the value that Green would at #4—especially if players like Bowers and Fairley are gone.

by Anthony Cosenza on Feb 27, 2011 11:33 PM EST reply actions  

There is no sure thing in the draft..

Remember the “surest thing” in the 2003 draft? Hint: it wasn’t Carson Palmer. It was WR Charles Rogers. Biletnikoff and Warfield award winner, consensus all american, considered an absolute lock to be one of the best WRs in the league for the next decade. There was talk about him being the safest first round pick not just in that draft class, but in anyone’s memory. How’d that turn out? In his career he had less than 40 catches, less than 500 yards. He can’t even make the cut in the CFL.

In fact, I think it’s particularly apt to say he was the “surest thing” in the media’s opinion since Tony Mandarich.

by indesignkat on Feb 28, 2011 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed...

For every “sure thing”, there is a Charles Rogers, Akili Smith or Lawrence Phillips. Green may be similar to Fitz, AJ and Megatron but a WR doesn’t win games or championships.

by apgj on Feb 28, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

recievers are almost like runningbacks,

Replaceable. Probably not as easily but still. You don’t need a great reciever to win, the proof is the rosters of teams that do win. Have a good line and good qb, and any reciever will put up numbers as long as they don’t run wrong routes or give up on the ball in the air. Anyone arguing the importance of the reciever, go look up who you think the best recievers are, look at their stats, and where the team ended up. Big wr stats dosent translate to wins.

by JCompton41 on Feb 28, 2011 12:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

you mean mediocre WRs like

Greg Jennings? or Hines M-Fing Ward? Yeah, they aren’t valuable to their teams.

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by UpStateMike on Feb 28, 2011 7:20 AM EST up reply actions  

they are valuable

But they are second tier recievers. Would you put them on the same talent level as andre johnson?

by JCompton41 on Feb 28, 2011 8:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Defense wins

Jennings and Ward are on 2 teams with top 5 defenses… Offense wins games; defense wins championships.

by apgj on Feb 28, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm happy winning games for now

That isn’t something we’ve done consistently in my lifetime.

by Stanley1 on Feb 28, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

you post shows that WR's aren't valuable

when the top level WR’s like L Fitz, A Johnson, Cal Johnson etc… are sitting at home while the 2nd tier WR’s like G Jennings and 3rd teir WR’s like H Ward are in the Super Bowl, then clearly there are positions more important than WR on the field.

by ephram on Feb 28, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

You can call Hines M-Fin Ward a Third Tier WR

But in every game I’ve watched him play in, he’s caught everything thrown remotely near him from a mediocre passing QB.

Without Hines M-Fin Ward, there’s not a chance that Pittsburgh would have gone to the SB. How many 3rd down conversions did he make in 2010? I don’t know but he has created 600 first downs in his career. His average catch is 12.8 yards in 2010. He’s got almost 12000 yards in his career.

I understand that Hines M-Fin Ward is not a deep threat WR, but like Wes Welker, he is KEY in winning games every sunday. Now stop forcing me to look at ward’s stats, it’s making me violently sick.

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by UpStateMike on Feb 28, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

Look at the best WRs in the league. Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald… the absolute best WRs are all on teams that usually suck.

by indesignkat on Feb 28, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

While a great quarterback can take mediocre receivers to championships- see Tom Brady in NE’s Super Bowl runs or what Manning has done with a host of late-round and small school products, the converse isn’t true.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Feb 28, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Uhh, Indy had Wayne and Harrison for years

Manning didn’t play well at all this year without his top WRs.

by Mexal on Feb 28, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

He didn't play well this year

b/c of his Oline was hurt. For a while he only had 1 starter playing. But their backups eventually did a good enough job. But not great as the starters would have done.

by WHYUS!! on Feb 28, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

True

However, I don’t think that really means anything.

Detroit was awful for years and CJ was the consensus best player available when they took him. He was the start of their rebuilding project and now their team is pretty competitive (even when their 1st pick QB is injured).

Arizona was in the Super Bowl a few years ago when they had a legit QB and AJ has never had a defense.

While the teams who have been successful lately haven’t had #1 tier WRs, you can’t say they don’t have good ones. Indy had Wayne and Harrison. Pitt had Holmes, Ward and Wallace. GB has Jennings, Jones and Nelson. Atlanta had White. Philly has Jackson and Maclin.

We’re not talking about bad receivers here. Everyone always uses Brady as an example but Brady doesn’t need them because of his scheme. Our coaching isn’t as good as NE’s.

by Mexal on Feb 28, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

qb is the main factor

And I agree none are bad wrs, but if you don’t have a good offense, a reciever won’t make you good. and look at most of where these recievers were drafted, not top 5. the recievers you listed are nowhere near the talent level as fitz calvin or moss, yet put up better numbers in some cases. If you have one reciever with 2000 yards, or 2 with 1000 yards, what’s the difference?

by JCompton41 on Feb 28, 2011 10:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well if Peterson can cover 2 spots on the defense it has to be him right?

…So there’s a need for a starting corner back and starting safety on the Bengals. Peterson can fill both…

He can play both corner and safety at the same time, he must be really fast.

by JoseOle on Feb 28, 2011 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

My ultimate dream scenario

would be to have Joseph signed before we go into the draft, and that we draft fairley because he will create havoc for any team that faces us.

If he’s not there, then I think the safest (*yes never 100% lock) move is get AJ Green because he has a ton of upside and could be spectacular.

Last year we had a qb scrambling around and when he did make the throw, Chad and Terrell dropped them. We didn’t make enough scores to win a lot of games. I’d like to have someone that makes up for their loss in 2011

Sure. Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson

by UpStateMike on Feb 28, 2011 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

Fairley is definitely the player that could really help..........

turn Dunlap, MJ and Atkins loose. Right now O-lines can send over help elsewhere to take these guys out of the play. With Fairley pushing up the middle it should really allow everyone else to step up their game. The other safest guy is Green (although Peterson at safety would be pretty awesome, he’s not cracked about playing there but that’s another argument altogether). Someone will jump and pick Newton/Gabbert or both, so we may end up with a chance at Fairley (albeit slim, Denver, Buffalo could certainly use as well)…..

by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 28, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Just watched Marvin Austin

who came in measuring 6’-2" and weighing 309lbs.- 20 pounds more than Fairley, run a 4.8 and do 38 reps at 225. Makes me wonder whether his sure to be rising draft stock would leave him available to us at #35 or if he’ll work his way up maybe as far as mid-first. Next to him, Fairley looked kind of like he’d never heard of a gym- and Fairley actually looked pretty good.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Feb 28, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

i hate that the combine for dline

It all depends on how they get off blocks on dline a 40 yard dash and even how many times they bench 225 is nothing.

by JCompton41 on Feb 28, 2011 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Fariley is a poor man's Suh.

He is going to be VERY GOOD in this league, possibly even Pro Bowl good. But AJ Green is the best receiver to come out of the draft since Calvin Johnson. That talent is too rare to pass up, especially when we NEED receivers. We dont’ really NEED interior D-linemen. We have a really strong rotation already and Atkins is only going to get better. I know people cringe at taking a receiver so high, but this isn’t just any receiver. He has the most potential of anyone mentioned here of being TRUELY elite. In fact he almost seems like a lock to do just that. I can’t say that about any of the others.

by eric nyc on Feb 28, 2011 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

A.J. Green is a high-risk pick...

But also very high reward. What if he IS the next Randy Moss? How will it feel if he’s burning defenses deep for the next couple years and we’re still hanging on to a 35 year old Chad? If we dont pick Green we better get Peterson so at least we know we can cover him.

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