Clark Judge: Bengals Won't Deal Palmer
Not that it matters right now because of the lockout and lack of a Collective Bargaining Agreement, but CBS Sports' Clark Judge believes that the Bengals won't deal disgruntled quarterback Carson Palmer, regardless of what they're offered. His reasoning: if Mike Brown folds to Palmer's request, it would open the door for other players to try to force Brown's hand.
He's probably right. Only Carson Palmer isn't another disgruntled player. He's is the team leader, someone who didn't complain, conducted himself with class and did what he could to make the Bengals better. In the end, it wasn't enough, and Palmer gave up. Now, he is finished with the Bengals, and I've heard it from too many people not to believe it. So has our GM.
Unfortunately, it seems that pride is the issue.
What would be best for the Bengals in the immediate future, would obviously be to trade Palmer to another team, possibly from the NFC West, in exchange for draft picks or players. That would give Cincinnati the best chance to be competitive in the immediate future. I know that, you know that, basically everybody knows that, including Marvin Lewis.
That's whose job it is to make sure that Mike Brown knows it too.
Essentially, the question is this: Can he convince Brown to deal Palmer for draft picks, players or both to get something of value this season? Most people believe he cannot, and that was reiterated by our GM who said he's certain Cincinnati won't budge on Palmer because of what it would mean for others.
Just think of all the teams that could use Palmer. Arizona went from Super Bowl contender with Kurt Warner to dud with Derek Anderson. Palmer could put them back on top of their division. Where they could use their No. 5 overall pick to grab Cam Newton or Blaine Gabbert, they could deal it to Cincinnati for Palmer and have a quarterback with more experience and a better chance to take them back to the playoffs.
Then you have the San Francisco 49ers. They're in the same position, just a good quarterback away from being a playoff caliber team, especially in their weaker than weak division. And then the same goes for the Seattle Seahawks. Basically, the entire west coast minus the San Diego Chargers wouldn't mind getting their hands on Palmer.
NFL analyst Marshall Faulk agrees:
Carson Palmer, in the NFC West, with his old coach, Pete Carroll: what merger between these two guys. Listen, if you saw what he did with Mike Williams and how Mike Williams played for Pete Carroll, just imagine what a guy who won the Heisman under Pete Carroll would do there.
and the argument for Arizona:
If he does get traded, I think Arizona is a great fit for Carson Palmer. I think he goes out there, he has Larry Fitzgerald to throw the ball to. Arizona needs to find a way to keep Steve Breaston. Tim Hightower is a free agent, if they can keep him, they're going to have weapons. And it will allow John Skelton to develop. He played decent at times last year. He got two out of their five wins at the end of the season there. I think if he is allowed time to develop behind a veteran quarterback, which Arizona knows they can go out and get a veteran quarterback a la Kurt Warner, and have success by plugging him in, I think they'll do a great job by doing that.
Unfortunately, all of this is just grouped into one massive pipe dream because the chances of Mike Brown doing what is right for the Bengals in 2011 are slim to none.
And of course, there's this: one thing that we haven't really thought about that Judge brings to our attention is could sitting out for a year, refusing to play because he wasn't traded, actually boost Carson Palmer's value in 2011?
But he also said that if Palmer is true to his word and retires it might increase his value for 2012, with teams believing that if he has that much of a conviction, is that disciplined, is that true to himself, then he's exactly the sort of quarterback they'd like as a leader.
If Brown decides he doesn't want to trade Palmer before the 2011 season, could that actually boost Palmer's demand in 2012 and put the Bengals in a prime spot to grab, say... Andrew Luck in the 2012 draft? Possibly.
And then, if that actually worked out, by 2020, Luck will be probably pulling the same move because he's tired of the Bengals too.
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I'm starting to think that Carson KNEW he couldn't play at the level he wants to.
So he demanded a trade when he KNEW we couldn’t trade him. Forcing an early retirement, with the ability to push blame on someone else, saving face to his fellow players.
This is the best I've heard...and agree
But how about this for an alternative. MB is staying silent, has sworn his top leaders to secrecy……… because a trade has already been put in motion pending a final signing immediately after the CBA deal is done and signed. MB is to shrewd to let CP9 retire. No one makes anywhere close to what CP9 makes and if they pull the same trade me tactic, MB tells them to stuff it, get back to work. I think CP9 has already been dealt elsewhere and even he doesn’t know it. Sound plausible?
Andrew Luck sweepstakes
Honestly, I’ll feel bad for Andrew Luck if he comes to the Bengals.
I don’t think we have the right personnel to groom a QB. We’ve seen what happened to Carson; I don’t wish it on Luck or the Bengals to go through it again.
by sgiridharan1982 on Mar 16, 2011 4:30 PM EDT reply actions
Don't take it as I'm bashing the Bengals
But I’d like to see what Jay Gruden does with our QB now to see if he would be able to groom Luck into a great QB.
by sgiridharan1982 on Mar 16, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Look this season
Began with everyone talking Super Bowl for the Bengals. I’m sure the players thought so too. Then New England game and it was obvious the Bengals were embarrassed by being totaled out coached. Then it got worse. What competitive player wouldn’t want out?
With the labor strife and long work stoppage he wasn’t going to get paid anyway, so why not take his chances now with a trade me demand?
Stupid is as stupid does
Hey Mike, how about committing to winning so that players WANT to stay? How about hiring a GM who knows what he’s doing? How about hiring the best coaches and scouts available? How about building the infrastructure that keeps your team competitive with other teams?
But no, you choose to exercise total control over your little fiefdom, making players resent you even more than they do. PLAYERS WANT OUT BECAUSE YOUR ORGANIZATION IS TOTALLY DYSFUNCTIONAL AND CANNOT SUSTAIN SUCCESS BECAUSE OF THE WAY YOU RUN IT!!!!
You, sir, are a blithering idiot, and you deserve every bit of the lack of success you’ve earned.
"The only thing we have to fear is, Mike Brown himself."
Hey Bain Dramage
What if MB has already made a deal to trade CP9 contingent upon the finalization of the new CBA? Lawyers are sneeky fu_kers and I wouldn’t put it past MB to have already set this up. He deflects emphasis on the trade issue til the timing is right and answers the public crits as “I changed my mind for the good of the team”. Sound reasonable?
Hope you're right!
But that does sound very un-MB like. I hope he takes Carson seriously and moves him. I’d even settle for Arizona’s 2nd round pick and maybe a 5th round if Seattle doesn’t bite with their 1st round pick.
Either way its good
have ya’ll noticed how low key MB & ML are when discussing CP9? Their body language tells me they have something in the works already. I mean, if your top franchize player drops a bomb on a team like CP9 did, I would be a lot more vocal and demonstrative than they have been. Same deal with Chad Johnson. Bengals very low key with him as well. Something’s going down there too.
I'd love that
Unfortunately, I don’t believe that Mike Brown is that smart or that slick.
"The only thing we have to fear is, Mike Brown himself."
You know
He has been one of a select few owners to sit at the table during the current CBA meetings. That tells me owners think he’s pretty shrewd(slick) in playing his hand with billions at stake.
by sofakingood on Mar 16, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Palmer and Alex Smith have very similar numbers the last two seasons
Comp Pct
Palmer 61.2% Smith 60.1%
TD Pct
Palmer 4.5% Smith 4.5%
Int Pct
Palmer 3.1% Smith 3.1%
Yards per attempt
Palmer 6.7 Smith 6.6
Passer Rating
Palmer 82.9 Smith 81.8
"Pawtucket Patriot Beer. If you drink it, hot women will have sex in your backyard."
A scrap-heap free agent QB might be an upgrade for the Bengals
Also, why would any team give the Bengals anything better than a future conditional draft pick?
If I were another GM I would be concerned about making a trade for Palmer and having him quit on me too!
"Pawtucket Patriot Beer. If you drink it, hot women will have sex in your backyard."
Um, what would it matter
if Carson’s trade value in 2012 shot up if he sat out this year? He’d still be under contract to the Bengals and the mule-headed Mike Brown still wouldn’t trade him. I’ve got to think- because otherwise I’d have to hit myself in the head with a hammer every Sunday next fall, that before Carson gets a chance to sit this one out, Mike’s love affair with the almighty dollar will bludgeon his dumbstruck mule of a head into submission and he’ll make the trade. It will just be a matter of when the CBA gets done as to if the picks we get will be this year’s or next.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Mar 16, 2011 6:31 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, Mike has no reason to trade Palmer now. But MB isn't a complete moron.
Had Chad gone and sat out rather than played, I’d imagine we see him traded. MB wants to wait it out, see who blinks first, which is why I find this to be still somewhat interesting. We really are going to see just how much CP doesn’t want to play for the Bengals.
Change gone come mane! Trust me! Cause i Bleed tigerblood!--Jerome Simpson
Carson
Faced the #1 Pass Defense any QB had to face in the NFL in 2010.
Consider his numbers with a very poor OC even poorer quality Head Coach and the
- running game in the NFL. When you factor those in Carson is somebody you do not want to deal to another team.
Release Cedric Benson for the magic to begin.
1. should be #32 or worst running game in the NFL
Release Cedric Benson for the magic to begin.
by bengals life on Mar 16, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesnt Matter
We will be in the sweepstakes for Luck, providing there is football. We wont win more than 5 games next year.
by James Schmid the great on Mar 17, 2011 12:17 AM EDT reply actions

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