2011 Cincy Jungle Mock Draft - Round 2 - The Cincinnati Bengals Select...
For the thirty-fifth pick in the second-annual Cincy Jungle Mock Draft, our own Jason Garrison selected is for the Cincinnati Bengals, who have the standard three picks available. In addition, the rest of the draft team put in their two cents afterward as well. First, however, here is the "official" pick...
With the thirty-fifth pick in the 2011 Cincy Jungle Mock Draft, the Cincinnati Bengals select...
Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State
The Bengals need a new quarterback, everybody knows that. In the first round, though, I chose to go the wide receiver route because the top-two quarterbacks in the draft, Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert, weren’t safe picks at No. 4. Now, with A.J. Green on the roster, the Bengals need somebody to throw the ball to him. Enter Florida State’s Christian Ponder.
No, Ponder doesn’t have the physical talent that Cam Newton or Jake Locker possess and he may not have the arm strength that Gabbert has. But, what he does have is intelligence, leadership, a solid arm and accuracy, all of which add up together to form a near perfect west coast offense leading quarterback and possibly the perfect young quarterback to lead the Bengals.
New Bengals offensive coordinator Jay Gruden has been high on Ponder, who has been rising up through the quarterback rankings since his great Combine and Senior Bowl performances, saying he’s "an interesting guy and a great prospect" and that he brings all the intangibles to the table including leadership.
In the end, the Bengals have changed from a down-field offense, led by Bob Bratkowski, to a west coast offense, led by Gruden, and don’t need a quarterback with Palmer’s howitzer arm to run it. Now that Palmer wants out of Cincinnati, Ponder could easily step into a new system, with talent around him, like Green, Jordan Shipley, Jermaine Gresham and Jerome Simpson, and help Bengals fans forget about the whole Carson Palmer saga.
Get ready to say goodbye to one CP and welcome in another.
Christian Ponder Highlights:
Alternate take #1:
Joe Goodberry also put his two cents in on the matter, with an alternate pick. He selected...
Torrey Smith, WR, Maryland
My draft plan is similar to Jason's (WR & QB). Except I took the franchise quarterback first in Blaine Gabbert. Now I'll go with my third rated wide receiver in this year's draft; Maryland's Torrey Smith.
Smith and the Bengals have already shared interest through Maryland's pro day and an upcoming visit. So this mock could be an actual scenario in case a franchise QB presents itself in the first round. I compared my selection if Blaine Gabbert to the Falcons drafting Matt Ryan. It might be funny to only me that Torrey Smith has been compared to Roddy White. Here we go!
With Torrey Smith, the Bengals have a legitimate outside WR that can stretch the field. Torrey Smith isn't just a deep threat. He offers great run after the catch ability. Unlike most college speed guys, Smith can stop and start just as fast. He's quick in and out of his breaks and has the body control to be a number one WR. Smith must work on the little things to reach his potential but should be an asset in the Bengals new west coast offense.
Alternate take #2:
Friar Bob also put in his two cents on the matter, with an alternate pick. He selected...
Marcus Cannon, OT/OG, TCU
I'm sure I'm going to be about as popular as the plague, but I'm going to have to rain on everybody's parade here. How many times has a team drafted a QB (especially in the second or later round), started him his first game as a rookie, put him behind an absolute sieve of an offensive line, and the player ever succeeded? Anybody?
*chirp* *chirp*
Well maybe there was somebody. But if there was, I don't know who he was, and the odds are VERY poor that we can recreate him even if he ever existed in the first place. And even though I'm willing to admit we DO need to find a resolution to the Carson Palmer situation, I'm not convinced that drafting any QB in this year is the way to go. And even if it is, without an offensive line capable of protecting him, NO quarterback (save maybe Roethlisberger) can possibly succeed. Ponder has been compared to many other successful quarterbacks, but Big Ben isn't one of them.
But this year is, unfortunately, a fairly weak year for offensive line talent, and with our scout I just simply don't have any faith that we will be able to find the small-school gems that we'd need to find in order to be able to wait until the 4th or 5th round to draft these guys. Worse yet, we need somebody who can play today (and arguably we need two or even three guys who can play today), not in three years. With that in mind, I feel that I simply had no choice but to draft somebody now to start trying to fill in the massive holes in the line.
Of course, figuring out who to draft on the line isn't easy. For example, Orlando Franklin, who has for all but one game in college played as a guard, is listed by CBSSports.com as the 7th best OT available, while National Football Post puts him at 16th... ooookaaay. But some things are a bit easier. The best remaining player (#6) on CBS's list at OT is Marcus Cannon, and although NFP lists him a bit lower, they also rate him as a developmental prospect who has "NO weakness in any critical factors, but will need time and development in order to fulfill his potential". Cannon, who has played right tackle for two years and left tackle for another in college, and looks like a very good right tackle and possibly even an elite guard if he transitions (and stays) there, caught my eye and I just couldn't get off him. He could probably start at RT immediately if we want, or play him at either guard position as well and he'd probably help out a lot. And even if we start him at guard initially, it's not like this team doesn't have a history of training its eventual tackles as guards first...
Regardless of whether he plays OT or OG, however, we simply need help on the offensive line way too badly to wait any longer to start patching the holes in the line. So I selected Marcus Cannon... now I wait for the boos to roll in like thunder of cannons.
Draft Overview:
| # | Team | Picked By | Name/Positon of Pick |
| 1 | Carolina | James Shively | Nick Fairley / DT |
| 2 | Denver | sexsalad | Patrick Peterson / CB |
| 3 | Buffalo | Elguapo09 | Von Miller / OLB |
| 4 | Cincinnati | Jason Garrison +2 | A.J. Green / WR |
| 5 | Arizona | Broski | Da'Quan Bowers / DE |
| 6 | Cleveland | Joe Goodberry | Marcell Dareus / DL |
| 7 | San Francisco | Heybrown | Prince Amukamara / CB |
| 8 | Tennessee | Oxalis | Cam Newton / QB |
| 9 | Dallas | Jim0ijk | Robert Quinn / DE |
| 10 | Washington | Pardon_My_French | Blaine Gabbert / QB |
| 11 | Houston | Joe27 | Julio Jones / WR |
| 12 | Minnesota | CarsonOrBust | Tyron Smith / OL |
| 13 | Detroit | The_Black_Stripes | Cameron Jordan / DL |
| 14 | St. Louis | Jaegner | Aldon Smith / DE |
| 15 | Miami | JaredM | Mark Ingram / RB |
| 16 | Jacksonville | Whodatchemsit | JJ Watt / DE |
| 17 | New England (from Oakland / Seymour) | UpStateMike | Anthony Castonzo / OT |
| 18 | San Diego | Quickslant | Mike Pouncey / OG |
| 19 | New York Giants | TheDealio | Akeem Ayers / OLB |
| 20 | Tampa Bay | Doc Scratch | Ryan Kerrigan / DE |
| 21 | Kansas City | Indesignkat | Corey Liuget / DT |
| 22 | Indianapolis | Ddbumpus | Nate Solder / OT |
| 23 | Philadelphia | Buckeyenut12 | Gabe Carimi / OT |
| 24 | New Orleans | FriarBob | Cameron Heyward / DE |
| 25 | Seattle | IgnatiusJReilly | Jake Locker / QB |
| 26 | Baltimore | FriarBob | Adrian Clayborn / DE |
| 27 | Atlanta | TruWhoDey | Justin Houston / DE/OLB |
| 28 | New England | UpStateMike | Muhammad Wilkerson / DL |
| 29 | Chicago | Bsmith4256 | Derek Sherrod / OL |
| 30 | New York Jets | Polo_614 | Phil Taylor / DT |
| 31 | Pittsburgh | Jason Garrison | Jimmy Smith / CB |
| 32 | Green Bay | Sean Weaver | Stephen Paea / DL |
| 33 | New England (from Carolina / Armanti Edwards) | UpStateMike | Brooks Reed / OLB |
| 34 | Buffalo | Elguapo09 | Allen Bailey / DE |
| 35 | Cincinnati | Jason Garrison +2 | Christian Ponder / QB |
| 36 | Denver | sexsalad | |
| 37 | Cleveland | Jason Garrison | |
| 38 | Arizona | Broski | |
| 39 | Tennessee | Oxalis | |
| 40 | Dallas | Jim0ijk | |
| 41 | Washington | Pardon_My_French | |
| 42 | Houston | Joe27 | |
| 43 | Minnesota | CarsonOrBust | |
| 44 | Detroit | The_Black_Stripes | |
| 45 | San Francisco | Heybrown | |
| 46 | Denver (from Miami / Brandon Marshall) | sexsalad | |
| 47 | St. Louis | Jaegner | |
| 48 | Oakland | NoodleXV | |
| 49 | Jacksonville | Whodatchemsit | |
| 50 | San Diego | Quickslant | |
| 51 | Tampa Bay | Doc Scratch | |
| 52 | New York Giants | TheDealio | |
| 53 | Indianapolis | Ddbumpus | |
| 54 | Philadelphia | Buckeyenut12 | |
| 55 | Kansas City | Indesignkat | |
| 56 | New Orleans | FriarBob | |
| 57 | Seattle | IgnatiusJReilly | |
| 58 | Baltimore | Joe Goodberry | |
| 59 | Atlanta | TruWhoDey | |
| 60 | New England | UpStateMike | |
| 61 | San Diego (from NYJets / Antonio Cromartie) | Quickslant | |
| 62 | Chicago | Bsmith4256 | |
| 63 | Pittsburgh | FriarBob | |
| 64 | Green Bay | Sean Weaver | |
| 65 | Carolina | James Shively | |
| 66 | Cincinnati | Jason Garrison +2 | |
| 67 | Denver | sexsalad | |
| 68 | Buffalo | Elguapo09 | |
| 69 | Arizona | Broski | |
| 70 | Cleveland | FriarBob | |
| 71 | Dallas | Jim0ijk | |
| 72 | New Orleans (from Washington / Jammal Brown) | FriarBob | |
| 73 | Houston | Joe27 | |
| 74 | New England (from Minnesota / Randy Moss) | UpStateMike | |
| 75 | Detroit | The_Black_Stripes | |
| 76 | San Francisco | Heybrown | |
| 77 | Tennessee | Oxalis | |
| 78 | St. Louis | Jaegner | |
| 79 | Miami | JaredM | |
| 80 | Jacksonville | Whodatchemsit | |
| 81 | Oakland | NoodleXV | |
| 82 | San Diego | Quickslant | |
| 83 | New York Giants | TheDealio | |
| 84 | Tampa Bay | Doc Scratch | |
| 85 | Philadelphia | Buckeyenut12 | |
| 86 | Kansas City | Indesignkat | |
| 87 | Indianapolis | Ddbumpus | |
| 88 | New Orleans | FriarBob | |
| 89 | San Diego (from Seattle / Charlie Whitehurst) | Quickslant | |
| 90 | Baltimore | Jason Garrison | |
| 91 | Atlanta | TruWhoDey | |
| 92 | New England | UpStateMike | |
| 93 | Chicago | Bsmith4256 | |
| 94 | New York Jets | Polo_614 | |
| 95 | Pittsburgh | Joe Goodberry | |
| 96 | Green Bay | Sean Weaver | |
| 97 | (possible compensatory) | ||
| 98 | (possible compensatory) | ||
| 99 | (possible compensatory) | ||
| 100 | (possible compensatory) |
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Pretty underwhelming at FSU but..
If Gruden likes him and thinks he’s a good fit for his offense I dont have an issue with it. there’s alot to like about Ponder. Solid guy, apparently a strong leader, smart. In his defense the word is that he was throwing the ball much better at the combine/workouts than he was during his senior season at FSU. Makes more sense to me than the Green pick in the 1st but I’d rather see them go with Dareus or Bowers in the 1st and Torrey Smith here (even though I love Danny Watkins). Smith could be a monster in the WCO.
This is where I would go
Unless I was absolutely certain I could get Andy Dalton in round 3. Then I’d either go best OG or if Rahim Moore is there I take him. It could be like last year again when qbs just weren’t taken.
RIP Slim.
by brandone on Mar 25, 2011 8:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'd give Dalton a 90% chance of being there in the third.
Unless there’s a historic run on QBs, he should be around still. I think he would be another guy who will be successful in the WCO.
Fight Bengals Fatalism!
Thats why I like them.
The west coast requires precision and timing, not a huge arm. Dalton and ponder are both perfect for the system.
RIP Slim.
by brandone on Mar 25, 2011 11:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
@ Friar Bob
I like the Cannon pick, but I’m a build the lines and draft a QB next year 1st round kind of guy. Something else to consider, historically 2nd round/3rd round QB’s do not have a good track record. Over the past 20 years, you have 2 great QB’s taken round 2 (favre, Brees), 1 really good QB taken round 3 (Schaub) some guys that had their moments (Jake Plummer, Neil Odonnell, Kordell Stewart, Kolb) then about 50 guys like Charlie Frye and Dave Raggone. Basically the chances of hitting on a QB after round 1 are slim to none if you look at the past 20 years of best practicies in the NFL.
Love the pick
I think if Ponder can stay healthy, he will be a good QB in the NFL… Will he be great ? Maybe not, but I think the Bengals are headed to more of a run game and short throwing offense along with a good defense… Kind of like Baltimore…
We do still need to address the offensive and defensive line… Maybe in rounds 3 – 5 we can get some keepers for the lines.
I love the Ponder pick
I’m luke warm about Torrey Smith, mostly because I’ll admit that I don’t know a ton about him.
I love the Marcus Cannon Pick – The guy weighs like 350 lbs and has the quickness of a tackle. At worst, I think he’ll be an all-star guard in this league.
There’s a lot of different directions we could go this year. It should be a fun draft.
Fight Bengals Fatalism!
The only reason I dont lov the Cannon pick is - Value
Cannon isn’t a consensus top OL prospect. He’s a mid 2nd – 4th round OT/G. We can wait to take one in the 3rd & 4th round and find a day 1 starter. Our 2nd round pick should be used on a 1st round talent that is still available 3picks into the 2nd round.
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"Sometimes you just have to pick Tomlinson over Justin Smith." - ???
I like Danny Watkins better than Cannon, but if they went that direction I’d be good with it. Cannon would be an excellent RG that can definitely maul in the run game (but that is also athletic enough to be good in pass protection). I’d have a hard time laying off smith here, but one of the top 3 picks needs to be an interior O-linemen. Especially if they’re going to be playing a rookie QB in the AFCN (an injury plagued rookie QB at that).
this is how I'm ranking my Guards
Mike Pouncey – Late 1st – mid 2nd
Ben Iljalana – High 2nd – High 3rd
Rodney Hudson – Mid 2nd – Mid 3rd
Danny Watkins – High 2nd – High 3rd
Will Rackley – Late 2nd – High 4th
Marcus Cannon – Mid 2nd – Mid 4th
Colin Biking – Late 2nd – High 4th
Jason Pinkston – High 3rd – Late 4th
John Moffitt – Late 3rd – High 5th
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"Sometimes you just have to pick Tomlinson over Justin Smith." - ???
by Joe Goodberry on Mar 25, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Biking = Boling
Those are guys I like for Bengals and where id feel comfortable drafting them.
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"Sometimes you just have to pick Tomlinson over Justin Smith." - ???
by Joe Goodberry on Mar 25, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
And, of course, the only reason I don’t agree is I have as much faith in “consensus” value for picks as I do in the ability of our scout… none for either.
But if Cannon is still there in the 4th, I’ll eat my hat. MAYBE he’s a 3rd rounder, but unless he gets injured in the next month or there’s just nothing but a run on DE after DE after DE there’s no way he lasts past that point. Not as the #6 rated tackle (CBSSports, 2nd round), the #7 (Y! sports, no round prediction), or the #2 guard (walterfootball, 2nd-3rd round, also by footballsfuture.com, no round prediction), or the #3 guard (draftcountdown.com, but behind Watkins who at 26 is NOT getting taken as early as they predict, not when you only get him for 6 years or so), or even if he’s really as bad as the #9 rated tackle (NFP, no round prediction), even at #9 on the tackle list he’s still a potential 2nd round pick. Especially so when there are something like 10 teams that badly need OL help. And especially not when he looks like a potential all-star guard who ALSO has the potential to eventually become a very good R-OT.
I may have reached, but I didn’t reach THAT much. There is now way in hell Cannon is there in the 4th.
Note that I still have no faith in the “consensus” of his value from all those sites I just mentioned… even though they happen to (mostly) support me… but I still trust only my eyes and the description of him as a player, not their rankings.
To me, his flexibility to play LT or RT plus his potential as a guard was important… and I think our OL coach sees things the same way. He really values — nay outright requires — flexibility by his offensive linemen.
And I agree. Versatility is huge when projecting Bengals OL picks. While Cannon offers that, he’s not starting for the Bengals in 2011 because of fit. My opinion: Id hate to have him at LG.
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"Sometimes you just have to pick Tomlinson over Justin Smith." - ???
by Joe Goodberry on Mar 25, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Its not that you reached
Its the value that concerned me. Like I said, we can find a starting Guard in rounds 3 & 4. Cannon’s grade doesn’t put him a notch above any of the guys going within the next 40 picks.
Look above a few comments where I graded and rated my Guards. You’ll seemy point. As a guard, his value is much lower. He played OT in college & projects as a RG/RT on the Bengals.
So when I say 2-4 round. I mean as the Bengals picking. His value is lower to us. I should have been more in-depth. My apologies Bob.
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"Sometimes you just have to pick Tomlinson over Justin Smith." - ???
by Joe Goodberry on Mar 25, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
OK… yeah, I guess maybe his value might be a bit lower… except we still need BOTH guards and we still have an enormous (in just about every sense of the word) question mark at RT.
I’d agree more that his value would be lower to other teams… but higher to ours just because of how badly we need the help. But I suppose I could have that backwards.
Reminds me of Ken Anderson
Like Anderson Ponder has a good, not great arm. He looks to be very accurate and has enough athleticism to move the chains with his feet like Anderson could. I’m not saying Ponder will have the same kind of career that Anderson had, but he definitely has a very similar skill set.
Dalton is my Ken Anderson
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"Sometimes you just have to pick Tomlinson over Justin Smith." - ???
by Joe Goodberry on Mar 25, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Ponder??Why??
Are you kidding me?
“The biggest concern at this point might be his struggles remaining on the field. While Ponder has been impressive when healthy, he was unable to finish either of the past two seasons due to multiple injuries to his throwing arm.” (CBS Sports)
So we are losing 1 damaged QB for another. We can’t protect Carson (Remember being bloodied in a pre-season game a couple years ago) then how is this guy going to end up. Why take the risk with an injury prone player in Rd 2. He won’t make it through a 16 game NFL season and furthermore he hasn’t even played well in a big game. The guy isn’t consistent with his play or getting on the field. Why would you want your Leader of the Offense have those Characteristics.
No Way...
I just clicked over here from James Walkers blog. Maybe he does get to read how badly you guys rip him! That’s awesome!
Torrey Smith ??Why??
Common Joe. This is dissapointing. A WR would be nice but once again their are to many other better players around. Smith may be able to produce All Purpouse Yards in College but this guy is going to take time to devolop, not a definite starter which you’d expect with your 2nd Rd pick. If you want to get a reciever to develop or who has potential why not Greg Little from UNC or Edmond Gates from Abalene Christian in the 3rd or 4th Rd. If you want speed go for Gates if you want a big #1 WR like Marshall in Miami then get Little. Both will need similar work as Smith but you get continue to develop your major needs like protecting the #1 QB you Drafted. Maryland may have athletes but they don’t immediately do well in the NFL… Bad Pick. Hey how’s that Heyward Bay guy doing in Oakland… oh right
If you knew more. You wouldnt be saying this.
First off. Torrey Smith & DHB are nothing alike. Ask any draftnick. I’m not going to waste my time with that.
Secondly, Smith is my 27th overall player on my board. He was the BEST player available.
You can find a starting OL in rounds 3-5 which I plan on doing.
You take a good player when you see one. Smith is better than Gates & Little. Maybe you get Gates (who i really like) in the 3rd and Little in the 4th, but its not guaranteed. So I took the BPA at a position of need.
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"Sometimes you just have to pick Tomlinson over Justin Smith." - ???
by Joe Goodberry on Mar 25, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Undervalue O-Line
This makes me think that you are undervaluing the importance of the O-Line. If the WR’s we had last year were doing well at the end of the season then why would that be a major problem or concern. Now After Cannon for OT there are not many other impressive OT’s in this draft Class and he is an amazing athlete shown in the combine. There are several OG’s that may be available in Rd’s 3-5 but not Tackles. Roland was horrible, Smith still hasn’t shown anything, and Collins hasn’t impressed the Coaches enough to be a starter.
As far as comparing Smith and DHB I was stating that WR’s from Maryland have struggled adjusting to the NFL system. It would appears that Smith only blew up against weaker opponents (24/67 Receptions, 474/1055 Yrds, 7/12 TDs from weaker opponents). I question his consistency and ability to transition into a NFL system.
If you need to get a 2nd Rd WR Leonard Hankerson from Mia is a more polished WR with more consistency against harder competition.
I still believe solid WR Talent would be available in the 3rd and 4th Rd. Not a guarantee yes, but nothing is a Guarantee in the Draft. I rather address more severe needs on the line. Heck look at the Jets: Develop an amazing O-Line and you can put almost any QB / RB Back there and win games. A WR will help your team with 5 plays a game while an O-Line/ RB/ ILB/ OG/ QB will help out every down.
Greg Little from UNC has the most potential QB/RB/ and finally developing into a WR his Jr Year, but his past is sketchy.
Jon Baldwin from Pitt has contributed to his team every year and made spectacular catches throughout his career.
Also these three WR’s are 6’2, 6’3, and 6’4 and size is something we’re lacking at WR, a sizeable, consistent, solid #1 WR if you need to pick.
Top Players on the Board
ILB Martez Wilson ILL / We still have a need for a big LB if Dhani is gone and Maualuga moves to ILB but you won’t have anyone else besides him.
OT Marcus Cannon TCU / Maybe a bit of a reach but he is an athletic kid and a bruiser on the line.
RB Mike Leshore ILL / If Benson isn’t back then we’ll need a bruising RB who can play all 4 downs.
OG Danny Watkins Baylor/ The second best G out there he played LT in College so he’d be versatile addition and if Smith wont move to G then we do need help desperately there.
QB Ryan Mallett (Ark)/ He is a big strong QB and if you must get one in the Second round I’d have more faith in this QB then one who can’t stay healthy or win the big games.
Leshoure would be my #1 of those guys.
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by Joe Goodberry on Mar 25, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I absolutely hate the Ponder pick
If a guy can’t finish a college season in one piece, then he sure as hell can’t manage it in the pros with a porous offensive line. He didn’t lead FSU to much of anything, his arm is average at best and it really doesn’t matter how smart he is if the body ain’t willing. Torrey Smith I like a lot but, if we’ve gone QB in the first in Joe’s hypothetical, then offensive line or safety needs to be addressed before even thinking about WR. I’d take DeAndre McDaniel or Marcus Cannon here. Regardless of where Cannon is ranked, he’s the right type of guard for us. Same goes for McDaniel and he’s the best SS in the draft bar none.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Mar 25, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions
My fear
I’m afraid that Buffalo will go defense in #1 and grab a QB right before we pick in #2, whether it’s Ponder or someone else. Gabbert and Newton should go early, someone might trade into the late first and start a run on QBs…
second round
i would rather get a linemen. which would suggest we get a qqb in the first third or fourth round or trade for one.
by bengalsfanforlife on Mar 25, 2011 2:07 PM EDT reply actions
I said it first and I’ll say it again… TAKE JAKE LOCKER OR ANDY DALTON! Ponder has less arm strength than Locker and isn’t even as mobile as both of them. Health issues are also a huge red flag
by camfowlerisaboss on Mar 25, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions

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