How About Giving JaMarcus Russell a second chance...as a Bengal?
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 4, 2011 11:39 PM EST
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PrintOk I'm new here and haven't posted before, and I can already hear the uproar at the very mention of a certain ex-raider.
YES he has had work ethic problems.
YES he has had weight problems.
YES he has probably squandered millions.
HOWEVER. He is also one of the most physically talented QBs in history, and unquestionably one of the top arms in recent memory. He has taken alot of heat from the press, especially in Oakland, and justifiably so, he let them all down in Oakland big time. But so did Michael Vick in Atlanta. And almost everyone said he shouldn't be allowed into the NFL ever again, period. But the combination of a clean slate and a new (quality) coach has him playing at a MVP level. Now alot of that is mental, and you can't coach that. Vick matured mentally after his prison time, and came back a man not a punk. But If someone can motivate JaMarcus, believe in him and get him to believe in himself again, like back in the LSU days, I think he can still be a GREAT player. I personally say why look to get a QB in the first round when there's a number 1 overall selection to be had for cheap right now? Call me crazy but if I was Brown and Lewis, I would bring this guy in in a second. I mean, what is there to lose? your not going to have to pay him much more than minimum wage anyway. He can always serve as a backup if it doesn't work out. Give the man another chance in stripes, I say!
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Just when I thought..........
things couldn’t get any worse. This scenario might be one of the few things that could make that possible………….please……god……no.
by The Van Buren Boys on Mar 4, 2011 11:48 PM EST reply actions
You should at least watch some of his tape.
When he was focused and motivated he had some really decent games…games that the Raiders won. As a matter of fact his season in ’08 was promising, and the Raiders finished on like a 5 game winning streak…..but then he fell apart in ’09.
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 5, 2011 12:33 AM EST reply actions
Btw that case was thrown out he was never convicted of anything
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 9, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
I'll re-iterate....
…what is there to lose? Is he a worse backup than Jordan Palmer?
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 5, 2011 12:37 AM EST reply actions
The 2011 season.
What is there to gain? A very, very long shot at a potentially decent starting QB with a history of weight issues, lack of motivation, and addiction to whatever drug he was on.
I'd prefer to do that without the embarrassment of signing one of the bigger busts in the league.
We can ask Palmer Lite and LeFevour to do that if we want to.
not sure Russell is a bust
To me a bust is someone who was a consensus high pick.
31 other teams would not have drafted him number one and except for a couple he wouldn’t have been a top ten.
There’s a difference between a bust and a stupid draft pick.
"Pawtucket Patriot Beer. If you drink it, hot women will have sex in your backyard."
Thats not true
32 teams wouldn’t have drafted him in retrospect… but he was the consensus number 1 pick post combine. He was an ENORMOUS bust
+1
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
"I promise to throw interceptions for touchdowns just as good as he did" -Jordan Palmer
by TennBengalfan on Mar 6, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, I misremembered
Must have been drunk that year.
"Pawtucket Patriot Beer. If you drink it, hot women will have sex in your backyard."
People were calling Carlos Dunlap a bust two games into the season.
He was passed by all 32 teams in the first round and then at least twenty of them passed on him again. If Carlos Dunlap is a bust because he’s not starting a few games into his rookie season when he was drafted in the second round, JaMarcus Russell, a first round draft pick that was out of the league in three years, is indeed a bust.
he's the #1 bust of all time
and he also happens to sucks butthole at football…. If you’re Mike Brown putting out feelers, then just f*ck off….
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Hell yeah!
Sign up JaMarcus! We need a road-grader on the offensive line!
by IgnatiusJReilly on Mar 5, 2011 12:48 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
You can be sarcastic if you want....
…but taking a chance on a second chance has payed off more than once. See Randy Moss (ok that was like his third chance lol)
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 5, 2011 1:02 AM EST reply actions
Wrong.
JaMarcus was a star at LSU, and had a good season in 08. He had some terrible games in ‘09 its true, and that’s all anyone seems to remember, but I look at his career as a whole. Not to say he was as good as Moss at any point, but the analogy was on giving a guy a another shot not relative skill. Read slower next time.
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 6, 2011 3:30 AM EST up reply actions
It still is a really bad comparison.
Randy Moss is one of the top three wide receivers to play the game. JaMarcus Russell is one of the top three busts to play the game.
Ok compare him to Tommy Maddox then if you want
The point is there have been players, even QB’s, that everyone has rushed to call total draft busts, but given a few years and another team, they have been successful, even good.
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 6, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yep.
They’re called busts for a reason and rarely do they work out if the player involved has no semblance of a work ethic or motivation.
you can't be serious
I’d rather give Ryan Leaf another shot than JaMarcus….hell Akili Smith would be a better fit. Oh and Tommy Maddox, yeah that’s the type of guy we need hahahahahahahahaha
The Curse of Bo Jackson: Jan 13th,1991- present day
No I'm serious, are you?
“Tommy Maddox, yeah that’s the type of guy we need hahahahahahahahaha”
In case you forgot, Tommy Maddox did more for the Steelers than Carson Palmer has done or ever will do for Cincy. Won a playoff game. Yeah. Nuff said.
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 8, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Y'know
You can just hit that reply button to reply to specific people.
I find Russell a waste of our time that we can spend searching for actual solutions instead of a long shot reclamation project. We’ve had enough of those.
There was an article on Yahoo
about how JaMarcus’s house is about to be foreclosed on. My husband and I were talking that this is about the time Mike Brown will swoop in and “rescue” him with a lowball contract.
Bengals Next Step (BNS)
Minimum wage is too much to pay for Jamarcus Russel
There is literally no legal way to low-ball him.
Fight Bengals Fatalism!
by Paul Cannon on Mar 5, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
He will take anything!!
He is broke!! He blew 60 million dollars in only a couple years!!
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
"I promise to throw interceptions for touchdowns just as good as he did" -Jordan Palmer
by TennBengalfan on Mar 6, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
I've read this comment on three separate occasions,
and it always makes me laugh. This is awesome.
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by Pardon_My_French on Mar 7, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
He could room with Andre Smith
They could have their own show on VS.
“In the Kitchen” with JaM an’ Dre"
First show: “How to eat Cheezy Poofs during practice and not get caught”
"Pawtucket Patriot Beer. If you drink it, hot women will have sex in your backyard."
Typical Bengal mentality.
Yeah, let’s sign the BIGGEST BUST in NFL history to a team that is inches away from becoming a really good team.
What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.
You sure about that?
We’re INCHES away? By my count we were about SEVEN games away. And he hasn’t retired yet so technically his career is not over so I don’t see that you can call him an overall bust yet.
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 6, 2011 3:34 AM EST up reply actions
We were seven close games away.
Almost doesn’t count in the standings, but it counts when trying to make predictions about teams. We’re close, but we have to do this right. Signing JaMarcus Russell would be such a colossal mistake, I don’t even know how to describe it.
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by Pardon_My_French on Mar 6, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Ok.
But he’s suggesting signing JaMarcus Russell. If the problem is that we don’t have a quarterback, then we should look into signing or drafting a quarterback, not JaMarcus Russell.
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by Pardon_My_French on Mar 7, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
A close game doesn't show up at all
W or L. That’s all there is. And yeah you can break it down and say if not for this or because of that we lost the game. Doesn’t matter. Plrenty of teams can say that. Bottom line, the Bengals SUCKED in 2010
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 7, 2011 3:17 AM EST up reply actions
No.
Really, he’s right, close games are always close. The Bengals had a 6-7 game streak where they lost by a touchdown or less. That is close, that is a sign that the team is almost there as most of those teams were very good teams (Squeelers, Saints, Indy, Falcons were all in that stretch). The only thing we couldn’t do was get out of our own way. The talent’s there, we just missed the lucky breaks we had last season as well as the ability to fully dominate.
We had a sucky record. But we didn’t suck at Buffalo or Cleveland’s level for a majority of the season.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
The 4-12 record doesn’t tell you much about our overall quality other than the fact that we need some work. Doesn’t tell you how MUCH work we need exactly. Some of those close games were the result of backdoor scores, after the opposing team appeared to lay down on defense. This resulted in a lot of debate over how heavily we should weigh Palmer’s good numbers.
Other games, however, were close because the Bengals made it close. They were almost as good as the other team on that given day.
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by Pardon_My_French on Mar 7, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Lol
“We had a sucky record. But we didn’t suck at Buffalo or Cleveland’s level for a majority of the season.”
ROTFL you do realize we lost to both those teams in 2010 right? And if I recall we were up like 31-10 on Buffalo at half if that’s not a bad team what is? (Come to think of it though how the hell does Buffalo pick b4 us when they should have the tiebreaker? Stupid.)
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 8, 2011 3:27 AM EST up reply actions
RE:Plrenty of teams can say that. Bottom line, the Bengals SUCKED in 2010
Bottom line JaMarcus Russell SUCKED HIS WHOLE CAREER, and IS A COMPLETE HEADCASE…..so what he had a few good years at LSU, please don’t make me list the stud College Qb’s who sucked ass in the Pro’s, or even the Bengal QB’s that fit that mold….come on man
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when the 1st overall pick of a draft is cut 3 years in
He’s a bust
by JCompton41 on Mar 6, 2011 3:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The las thing we need
We don’t need another player who can’t get their act together. The way he’s played I’m surprised he got a 24 on the wonderlic test.
I wouldn't object to it.
But I don’t see how his style of play would fit in a WCO. He can heave the ball, but from what I’ve read, he’s downright awful on short and middle routes. If we were still playing Bratfense, it would make more sense from a physical tool standpoint. From a mental standpoint though, if Gruden really is a Quarterback Whisperer, then he may be able to reinvent the guy.
I object...
To worthless posts that clutter up my thread
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 6, 2011 3:47 AM EST up reply actions
You can object all you want.
If you don’t like the idea, offer a valid argument other than “worthless idea” or don’t post at all its immature and stupid.
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 6, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Ok fine.
JaMarcus Russell Buh-LOWS.
I don’t care how “physically talented” he is if he sucks at playing quarterback. He can throw the ball 70 yards from his knees, but who gives a f*** if he doesn’t have a clue what’s going on around him.
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by Pardon_My_French on Mar 6, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
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"I promise to throw interceptions for touchdowns just as good as he did" -Jordan Palmer
by TennBengalfan on Mar 6, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I take you don't like him.
Your entitled to your opinion like everyone else, but most of you are just repeating the words of the media and not taking an unbiased look at the player. In the end it doesn’t matter what any of us think, Mike Brown will have his way as always and we will keep losing as always.
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 7, 2011 3:29 AM EST up reply actions
Um, excuse me
but do you know Jamarcus, personally? Because, otherwise, none of us- you included, know anything about him but what we’ve heard from the media. And the only objective method we have of evaluating him is by his body of work on the football field and that’s pretty obviously lackluster at best, dismal at worst. Considering the gifts he had to work with going in, his flame-out was all the more spectacular and pathetic. Russell would have to completely change his life, completely re-tool his thought processes, and essentially build a work ethic from scratch before he would be worth anyone’s time or money in the NFL. If you’ve got some supernatural view into his heart and soul, well, you’ll make more money with a booth at the circus sideshow.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Mar 7, 2011 4:24 AM EST up reply actions
Are you gonna blow a headgasket?
I find it funny YOUR already getting personal and this is my first thread. No I don’t know Russell personally. But apparently you do if you know his “thought processes”…..whatever that means. And when I say the words of the media, I’m talking about how they love to use the word bust at the first excuse. And the personal attacks he’s had leveled at him for his previous use of codeine. How many starting players get busted every year for some illegal substance? Yeah the guy blew it in Oakland. Does that mean he doesn’t deserve the chance to compete ever again? I think not.
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 8, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
>not taking an unbiased look at the player
>QB comes to camp around 300 lbs.
>has an issue with “Purple Drank”
>sucked for a majority of his career and the stats prove it.
>needs to be motivated to do well, but weight issues suggest a lack of drive
d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-derp
also, stop playing the “mike brown will have his way” card, he’s not even looking at him at the moment.
hmmmm
“also, stop playing the "mike brown will have his way" card, he’s not even looking at him at the moment.”
Are you employed by Mike Brown? Does he tell you who he’s looking at? I’m curious because you seem to know.
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 8, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Either your Mike Brown or
your employed by him..
That’s what it sounds like to me.
Everyone on this thread is wrong and your the only one that’s right. Hmmmm, and something is not wrong with this picture? Face it Russell is a bust no matter what you think..
I_Hate_the_Owner----I DON'T BELIEVE YOUR Screen Name
B/C your litereally the ONLY PERSON ON EARTH who wants to sign JaMarcus Russell and the argument you’re giving is EXACTLY a Mike Brown move….if you hate him, why are you pretending you’re not him…..
The Curse of Bo Jackson: Jan 13th,1991- present day
stats
3 seasons
52% completion percentage
22 fumbles!
18 touchdowns
23 picks
… sorry to blow up, but the guy is just not an NFL QB. If its time to move in another direction, I hope its not towards Jamarcus
Exactly.
If this is what you call
just repeating the words of the media and not taking an unbiased look at the playerthen I just don’t know what to say to you. Maybe you’re capable of looking past his terrible, terrible play and seeing something nobody else sees, but I guess we’re not.
I guess not.
I hope we do sign him though, and he proves everyone wrong. I would bring back this thread and have some fun….
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 8, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
And what if he does
play again? Then turns out that everyone was right and you were wrong. Would you bring this thread up and have some fun?
No
I’m not guaranteeing he plays well if he gets another shot. But I still think he should get one. The money we would be out signing him is small (NFL wise)potatoes…nothing compared to what the Raiders spent.
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 8, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
You have a point.
Jay will run the WCO, and JaMarcus has struggled with short throws and touch. But there was another cannon arm QB who liked to go deep alot that did very well in the WCO. He wore #4 and played for the Packers. I think any offense can be adapted to the strengths of its players if the OC knows what he’s doing.
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 6, 2011 3:38 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but Favre was arguably one of the most driven and competitive quarterbacks to ever play the game
Russell has so far shown to be the antithesis of that.
For "hating the owner"
You sure think a lot like him. I’d only be ok with Russell if he’s coming in as a backup.
by Anthony Cosenza on Mar 5, 2011 11:54 AM EST reply actions
If Mike Brown made this move I would change my username
No, you see Mike Brown is like most of you. He doesn’t do any of his own research. He doesn’t watch any tape. He doesn’t think outside the box. He’s does what’s safe and what’s cheap. Thus this will never happen. Too bad.
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 6, 2011 3:42 AM EST up reply actions
This would be a classic Mike Brown move actually
signed a troubled player for cheap.
Bengals Next Step (BNS)
I hope someone else signs Russell
just so you can see precisely what would happen. It would be a disaster. Because JaMarcus Russell sucks.
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by Pardon_My_French on Mar 6, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
mike brown takes risks on troubled players every year
Pacman, matt jones, tank johnson, carlos dunlap. And what research, look at his stats the dude sucks. He showed up for training camp over 300 lbs. He’s unmotivated and dosent care about football. Sure he has a huge arm but people say carsons decision makeing was bad, jamarcus would make him look like peyton manning. The guys not smart enough to be a qb.
by JCompton41 on Mar 6, 2011 3:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Carson has more football smarts than he does athleticism.
People who say he has bad decision making are fools.
hes had some questionable throws to say the least
I think its more because he tryed forcing to t.o and chad.
by JCompton41 on Mar 7, 2011 2:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
MB never takes a real chance.
He picks up free agents that the rest of the League won’t touch for dirt cheap. There’s no great amount of money (relativly speaking) involved. Thus no real risk. As it would be with JaMarcus. Someone pointed out Matt Jones. If you can give an ex coke head another shot you can give Russell another one.
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 7, 2011 3:37 AM EST up reply actions
he can give him another shot
And I wouldn’t be suprised if he did. But god I hope not. The guy is useless. Please tell me why you think any team has any chance of making this guy a half way decent player. You have to want to be great to be in the nfl, he just wanted to get paid and coast by.
by JCompton41 on Mar 7, 2011 8:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
False again
Mike Brown does what stupid/risky/completely unconventional and cheap….your line of thinking behing this JaMarcus crap is EXACTLY the way MB would think about it….lay off the Purp buddy
The Curse of Bo Jackson: Jan 13th,1991- present day
on second thought....
I would gladly take Russell now and suffer through next season only if it meant we could draft Andrew Luck during the next draft.
wow
I would rather give jordan palmer a shot then get jamarcus russel. And compairing him to mike vick is insane. Vick was always a playmaker, jamarcus never was. Anyone al davis would give up on, is somebody I don’t want on my team.
by JCompton41 on Mar 5, 2011 1:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Sounds like a bengal move
I mean we gave Matt Jones a Try I could see us signing Jamarcus as the “stop gap” QB.
Sure we may not like it. But it’s a realistic option the Bengals may look into.
1st round draft wishes.
Bengals: Blaine Gabbert, Nick Fairley or AJ Green!
Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving and Harrison Barnes!
i don't think its fair to compare Vick to Russel
Vick actually had talent, and had a good career before he became a dogfighter.
Russel has been terrible since he was drafted.
Uh.. vick was a dogfighter since he was little
but yea
1st round draft wishes.
Bengals: Blaine Gabbert, Nick Fairley or AJ Green!
Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving and Harrison Barnes!
Yeah a direct comparison is probably not fair to Vick, my bad
No sarcasm, I think Vick is the best QB in the league right now
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 8, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Vick was fighting dogs before he was in the NFL
However he began running fights when he had starting NFL QB $$$$ rolling in.
I’d hire Russell to be JP5’s roommate during the practice season, and mic them both up 24-7. That would rock.
Sure. Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Greenup street bound!!
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
"I promise to throw interceptions for touchdowns just as good as he did" -Jordan Palmer
by TennBengalfan on Mar 6, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
?
I don’t understand the statement…
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 6, 2011 3:44 AM EST up reply actions
He is saying you should be ashamed to even suggest this
then try and back it up!!!
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
"I promise to throw interceptions for touchdowns just as good as he did" -Jordan Palmer
by TennBengalfan on Mar 6, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
If we sign Russell
Then I have no reason not to believe MFB is drinking the Purple Drank.
2011 and beyond. Only one thing came true on the last wishlist.
This year's wishlist
1. Bengals win Super Bowl (Something I hope for every year)
2. Reds win the World Series(or at least a playoff game)
3. Ohio State Wins a Big 10 title
4. Cavaliers actually finish with a winning record
5. Wings win the Cup
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Mar 6, 2011 12:45 AM EST reply actions
You say "purple drank" like it's a bad thing? ; )
by IgnatiusJReilly on Mar 6, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
It is
If you’re getting paid millions to quarterback an NFL team.
2011 and beyond. Only one thing came true on the last wishlist.
This year's wishlist
1. Bengals win Super Bowl (Something I hope for every year)
2. Reds win the World Series(or at least a playoff game)
3. Ohio State Wins a Big 10 title
4. Cavaliers actually finish with a winning record
5. Wings win the Cup
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Mar 6, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
Well the REAL drank is yellow
and it is a great thing
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
"I promise to throw interceptions for touchdowns just as good as he did" -Jordan Palmer
by TennBengalfan on Mar 6, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
I watched the Fat Fuck for three years.
If Mike Brown signs him, I truly feel sorry for you guys.
He can throw the ball deep and that’s about it. He’s slow, struggles with short and mid range accuracy, doesn’t learn the playbook, has less brain capacity than a single cell amoeba, has no motivation to improve, has terrible workout habits…would you like me to continue?
No one likes us,
No one likes us,
We're the Raiders and we don't care...
"Darth Vader is a punk compared to Al Davis." - Hunter S Thompson
I use his jersey to clean up after my dogs.
No one likes us,
No one likes us,
We're the Raiders and we don't care...
"Darth Vader is a punk compared to Al Davis." - Hunter S Thompson
I like you guys too.
As long as Mike Brown is around, at least I know that no matter how frustrating big Al’s moves may be, it could be much, much worse.
No one likes us,
No one likes us,
We're the Raiders and we don't care...
"Darth Vader is a punk compared to Al Davis." - Hunter S Thompson
when the going gets weird
the weird turn pro!
by IgnatiusJReilly on Mar 7, 2011 4:27 AM EST up reply actions
wait, when did we reach the conclusion that mike brown is worse than al davis.
oh wait, davis has super bowl rings, never mind.
As crazy as the old man is, without him the NFL as it is today wouldn't exist.
No one likes us,
No one likes us,
We're the Raiders and we don't care...
"Darth Vader is a punk compared to Al Davis." - Hunter S Thompson
As crazy as the old man is, without him the NFL as it is today wouldn’t exist.
Change the word “crazy” to the word “dead” and you could be talking about Mike’s dad, Paul.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Mar 7, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'm aware of Paul Brown's work as well.
The apple fell a long, long way from the tree.
No one likes us,
No one likes us,
We're the Raiders and we don't care...
"Darth Vader is a punk compared to Al Davis." - Hunter S Thompson
i think mrs brown cheated on paul brown
With manbearpig, and out popped mike brown.
by JCompton41 on Mar 7, 2011 8:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Your a Raider fan I can understand your hate
But in all fairness your organization is more f**ked in the head than Hannibal Lector, and I don’t know that any Qb is going to succeed there
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 7, 2011 3:50 AM EST up reply actions
We have a terrible history with drafting QBs even when Al had his marbles.
Kenny the Snake was our only good one – the rest of our great QBs were through trades. Jason Campbell got it going in the second half of the season once the team showed some faith in him and our receivers remembered that they’re meant to catch the ball occasionally.
“your organization is more f**ked in the head than Hannibal Lector” – Glass houses, stones.
No one likes us,
No one likes us,
We're the Raiders and we don't care...
"Darth Vader is a punk compared to Al Davis." - Hunter S Thompson
Maybe we could convince Al and Mike to kill each other?
Or maybe some kind of “Strangers On A Train” pact? I mean, nobody would expect me, an annually tortured Bengals’ fan, of spiking Al’s virgin blood cocktail with thalidomide, would they?
by IgnatiusJReilly on Mar 7, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
So let's bring JaMarcus to a great environment like the Bengals!
Oh wait..
by Jaegner on Mar 7, 2011 6:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if he doesn't work as a lineman
we could always try him at fullback. we lost our token non-lineman fat guy when jeremi johnson called it quits.
Lol, that the first really good point anyone has made
But I would still want to see it tried out
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 8, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
This thread is like a Monty Python skit
Well, the cyber version anyway. Welcome to the Ministry of Silly Posts!
Touche
“So let’s bring JaMarcus to a great environment like the Bengals!”
That’s the first good point anyone has made lol
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 8, 2011 8:16 PM EST reply actions
other than posting his career stats
by JCompton41 on Mar 8, 2011 9:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
*sigh*
Ok first off I’m going to tell you something I really believe. There are three kinds of lies:
Lies. Damned Lies.
And Statistics.
BUT if you want to play that game and pretend stats are like some all-encompassing and defining picture of a player, lets just make a random comparison on QB stats in their first 3 seasons. The guy I’m comparing Russell to just happens to be a HOF and won 2 SBs.
John Elway:
1985: 16gs 327/605 Pct: 54.0 Yds: 3,891 TD: 22 INT: 23 Sck: 38 Rating: 70.2
1984: 15gs 214/380 Pct: 56.3 Yds: 2,598 TD: 18 INT: 15 Sck: 24 Rating: 76.8
1983: 11gs 123/259 Pct: 47.5 Yds: 1,663 TD 7 INT: 14 Sck: 28 Rating: 54.9
JaMarcus Russell:
2009: 9gs 120/246 Pct: 48.8 Yds: 1,287 TD: 3 INT: 11 Sck: 33 Rating: 50.0
2008: 15gs 198/368 Pct: 53.8 Yds: 2,423 TD: 13 INT: 8 Sck: 31 Rating: 77.1
2007: 4gs 36/66 Pct: 54.5 Yds: 373 TD: 2 INT: 4 Sck: 6 Rating: 55.9
With no prior knowledge, looking at just these numbers for the first three years of their career, you could easily say: Elway looks a LITTLE better than Russell, but definitely not a starting NFL quarterback with that completion percentage and all those Ints. Denver took him 1st overall OMG he must be a BUST!!!
Stats are like the Bible, you can make them say whatever you want them to say.
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 8, 2011 9:59 PM EST reply actions
when your talking about an nfl qb
With no work ethic or desire, stats tell a lot.
by JCompton41 on Mar 9, 2011 11:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Your comparing stats with Elway so
Look at them again. You will see Elway progressed as the years went and look at Russell, he regressed.. This is a sign showing that his work ethic or just something isn’t right with him.
You should have looked at this comparison first before posting this, b/c there are probably more things that will be pointed out to you by others. Bad comparison.
Perfectly valid comparison, and it proves my point nicely.
“*You will see Elway progressed as the years went *”
Really? Looks to me like from the second year to the third, his rating dropped six points, his TD/INT ratio went UP, but he had more yards. I think you need to look again.
BOTTOM LINE: Russell has only had one and a half season’s worth of games to prove himself. That is not enough to call any player, especially a QB, a bust.
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 9, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Russell has had
his opportunities especially with Al Davis who freakin had a man crush on him and he didn’t perform.
And as for Elway every stat went up except his rating, which like you said dropped 6 points, but that is due to his yards and more passes being thrown. 6 points is nothing in the ratings system. But when you regress as Russell has every year especially playing time there is something up, like maybe he sucks b/c of his work ethic and other things.
Your comparison is wrong b/c Elway has progressed and showed that he wanted to be a NFL QB, Russell has shown squat..
Take the blinders off your eyes!
what does is say about jamarcus
That jason campbell, who is by no means a superstar qb, took pretty much the same team and made them respectable?
by JCompton41 on Mar 9, 2011 4:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jason was in and out of the starting lineup all season.
I don’t think you can put their 2010 wins or losses on Campbell fairly. The same goes for JaMarcus in 09. He only started 9 games, so yeah, his stats were terrible.
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 9, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
russell was benched because he sucked
And jason in and out of the lineup means even the backups were better than russell.
by JCompton41 on Mar 10, 2011 10:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Campbell and Russell never played a season together.
Campbell coundn’t even hold on to the job versus Gradkowski
"We are keeping continuity in our organization this year."
-Mike Brown
by I_hate_the_owner on Mar 10, 2011 2:47 PM EST reply actions
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