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Bengals Draft: Filling Holes On The Offensive Line

The offensive line is a hard unit to evaluate. They play together and are usually graded as a whole. Offensive line problems can be hidden when a team is winning, but those same issues will stand out when the team is losing. Very much like the Bengals of the past two seasons. In 2009, the offensive line went from being the biggest weakness, to the most improved unit on the team. That same offensive line (exact same!) became a weakness again in 2010. Hopefully this can easily be fixed before 2011, but some issues the Bengals are facing can be fixed through the draft. Andre Smith is rehabbing his broken foot (Again) and Marvin Lewis said he's not moving Smith to guard. Marvin also doesn't seem any closer to giving Anthony Collins the chance, even though he is visibly better than Smith at this point. With free agency eventually starting, the Bengals could lose rotating guards Nate Livings and Evan Mathis. Starting right guard, Bobbie Williams is heading into his final year with the team. Starting center Kyle Cook has been solid, but is upgradeable. With that said, the interior offensive line needs some upgrades, starters, and future contributors. The NFL Draft is the perfect way to re-tool your interior line. Starting guards and centers can been found throughout the draft. You don't have to draft one high to find a starter, which is perfect for the Bengals because they can use their first couple picks on premiere positions of need and focus on the offensive line later.

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To accurately target whom the Bengals could draft in April. We first need to look at the draft history in the Marvin Lewis era. Since 2003, the Bengals have drafted 12 offensive linemen. Of those, only four were limited to one position. The other eight doubled their value by having the ability to play other offensive line positions. Only three were taken in the first three rounds. Not one offensive lineman has been picked in the third and sixth rounds. They have used the fourth, fifth and seventh rounds to picks half of their total selected offensive linemen.

Eric Steinbach (2003, G/T/C, 2nd round), Scott Kooistra (2003, T/G, 7th), Stacey Andrews (2004, T/G, 4th), Eric Ghiaciuc (2005, C, 4th), Adam Keift (2005, T, 5th), Andrew Whitworth (2006, T/G, 2nd), Dan Santucci (2007, G/C, 7th), Anthony Collins (2008, T, 4th), Jonathan Luigs (2009, C, 5th), Andre Smith (2009, T/G, 1st), Otis Hudson (2010, T/G, 5th), Reggie Stephens (2010, G/C, 7th)

Of course stats can be misleading, but there are a few keys to look for when looking at these stats.

  • The Bengals like versatility in their offensive lineman.
  • They have selected 4 college offensive tackles and moved them to guard in the NFL.
  • They don't usually take an offensive lineman in the first two rounds unless a player is by far the best player available.
  • They have selected at least one lineman in each draft during the Marvin Lewis era.

With the guidelines laid out, let's take a look at some players who could be wearing Bengal stripes next season.

2nd Round Possibilities

Mike Pouncey- G/C - Florida - 6'4" 310 lbs

You probably already know the name. Mike is the twin brother of Steelers standout rookie Maurkice Pouncey. File him under: Players that could fall into 2nd round and become BPA (best player available) when the Bengals pick. Mike isn't the same prospect that his brother was, but that doesn't mean he's not good. Mike could be over drafted because a team hopes he becomes his brother at the next level. Instead, he should be selected somewhere between picks 28-44. His value will be lower because even though he played center last year for the Gators, Mike played guard before that. He wasn't as good last year at center, but he did show he could be serviceable. Mike Pouncey has a great football I.Q., great instincts and awareness, good agility and balance, and is strong at the point of attack. All of the qualities of your typical starting NFL guard or center. He would comes in as a starter at left guard for the Bengals and in the future could play right guard or center if needed.

Ben Ijalana - T/G - Villanova - 6'4" 320 lbs 

Ijalana is gaining steam after being hidden in a small school for his career. Most by now have him rated as their No. 5 tackle or in their top three guards. Ijalana has early second-round pick written all over him. He played offensive tackle in college, but he has the perfect look for a starting guard in the NFL. He has great bulk, huge powerful hands, strong at the point of attack and can anchor in the passing game. He's still raw and didn't face top competition at Villanova. That's not a problem for me. The only thing I don't like about Ijalana is his lack of killer instinct. You just don't see him crushing a guy and keeping him on the ground. I'd like my interior linemen to be a little nastier, but maybe he didn't have to be at Villanova because he was always the best player on the field. The Bengals would have to use their 2nd round pick on him, but I think he comes in as a starter at left guard while providing depth at tackle if needed.

Others 2nd round possibilities:

Danny Watkins - G/C - Baylor - 6'4" 310 lbs

He's only played football for four seasons so he's raw, but at the same time, he will be 27 years old when the season starts. On the plus side, he's tough, nasty, and still hasn't come close to his potential. I wouldn't take him until the 3rd round, but I bet a team takes him mid second.

Stefen Wisniewski- C/G - Penn St - 6'3" 310 lbs

This is the best center in the draft. Wisniekski is smart, instinctual, has good awareness, and is a great technician. His uncle is the offensive line coach for the Oakland Raiders, so you could see that as a potential landing spot for him in the second round.

3rd Round Possibilities

Jason Pinkston - T/G - Pitt - 6'4" 315 lbs

Pinkston is another college tackle that may be better at guard in the NFL. He has a ton of experience vs. top collegiate talent and he has the look of an NFL guard. His awareness and football IQ may drop him into the third round.

Rodney Hudson - G/C - Florida St. - 6'2" 299 lbs

If Hudson were prototypical size, he would easily be a late first-round to mid second-round pick. He has great technique and hand placement, to go along with great agility and quickness for an offensive lineman. Where he struggles is with big nose tackle types. Power rushers can blow him off the ball sometimes. Playing mostly guard at Florida St., Hudson is also getting looks at center. I think this could be Hudson’s best shot at the NFL. With Kyle Cook heading towards restricted free agency, the Bengals may want to look for a future replacement with some versatility to play guard.

Demarcus Love - T/G - Arkansas - 6'5" 315 lbs

Another tackle to be converted to guard because he doesn't play well in space. I wouldn't take him as a starting OT in this draft but I think Love could be a starting guard in the NFL with the ability to backup left and right tackle. He has a wide base that allows him to sit and anchor in pass protection, and enough agility for a guard to get to the second level in run blocking.

Marcus Cannon - T/G - TCU - 6'6" 350 lbs

Cannon played left tackle for TCU, but looks to be a right tackle or right guard in the NFL. He doesn't play with great leverage or hand usage. His weight might be a concern, but it also creates power for Cannon in the run game. I would take him for the Bengals in the 3rd round because he has starting right guard or tackle size and power. Which the Bengals need in case they lose Bobbie Williams next year or Andre Smith doesn't pan out.

 

4th Round Possibilities

John Moffitt - G/C - Wisconsin - 6'5" 320 lbs

I love John Moffitt as a prospect. Not only is he tough, strong and smart, he's athletic enough to be a pulling guard. Moffitt was getting reps at guard and center in the Senior Bowl, but I see him as a perfect left guard for Cincinnati. Sure he can play center in a pinch, that only adds to his value. During the Senior Bowl practices, Moffitt looked to be the toughest guard for opposing defensive tackles to beat in one on ones. Moffitt shows a great ability to get to the second level and wall off linebackers. Moffitt plays with an unmatched intensity and bring a blue-collar attitude with him everyday. I don't like that he will be 25 years old at the start of the season, but does it really matter?

Will Rackley - T/G/C - Lehigh - 6'4" 310 lbs

Rackley was a four-year starter at Lehigh, playing mostly left tackle. He was also an offensive captain. I haven't had the opportunity to watch him play because of the small school. So I had to see what Josh Buchanan (the leader on all small school prospects from JBscouting.com) had to say about Rackley.

"He has the massive thighs and is strong enough to slide inside to handle those bigger tackles.  He also struggles some with speed off the edge making a switch to guard more attractive him."

It has been said that the Bengals interviewed Rackley at the combine. How much stock can you put into that? Not much, but it does show that he's on their radar.

Other Late Round (4-7) Possibilities

Brandon Fusco - C/G - Slippery Rock - 6'4" 305 lbs

Another small school guy that could use more strength and leverage techniques. He does have good feet and agility. Needs to get acclimated to the higher level of competition, but could be a starter in a year or two.

Ryan Bartholomew - C/G - Syracuse - 6'2" 300 lbs

Bartholomew had a very good workout at the combine and may be over-drafted. He's shorter than you would like for a guard, but he has long arms to help make up for it. He needs work at center after only playing 16 games in the middle. They say he's a hard worker and is well liked by teammates and coaches, so he just might need a good line coach to maximize his potential. 

Andrew Jackson - G - Fresno St - 6'6" 295 lbs

This is my poor man's Eric Steinbach. Jackson struggles with leverage and strength but of course that comes with being tall and thin like Steinbach is. Jackson plays with intelligence and technique to his advantage. Some say he could be drafted in rounds 3-4, but I say it's more like rounds 4-6.

Jake Kirkpatrick - C - TCU - 6'3" 305 lbs

Kirkpatrick needs technique refinement. He has the short area quickness and ability to get to the second level. He looks like he's trying to maul everybody, but doesn't look particularly strong doing it. With NFL strength and better leverage and hand placement, Kirkpatrick could be a serviceable center for somebody.   

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Rackley said in an interview he met ‘formally’ with the Bengals at the combine. So I mean I think Josh Buchanan is credible at least.(could be wrong on his credibility)

And I heard Bengals were out there at Fresno state.. “The Cincinnati Bengals were on hand to workout offensive lineman Andrew Jackson.” via Tony Pauline

1st round draft wishes.
Bengals: Blaine Gabbert, Nick Fairley or AJ Green!
Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving and Harrison Barnes!

by C Byers on Mar 9, 2011 7:06 PM EST reply actions  

JB is very credible

And interesting that they would work out Jackson. I think he’s a perfect fit.

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by Joe Goodberry on Mar 9, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't necessarily agree with it

but I suspect Pouncey is a late first-rounder and doesn’t get by Pittsburgh where he’d get to pair with his brother. Cannon is my favorite to eventually replace Bobbie Williams, same body type, surprising athleticism for a man that big and a guy who seems to like to work out as much as he likes to eat. Is it merely monetary value that makes Andrew Jackson- let’s call him “Twenty”, desirable because he seems to suffer the same lack of girth as Rodney Hudson without the excellent technique, hands, mobility, etc? Also, you seem to have left off one of my favorites, Clint Boling, another nasty SEC guard?

by IgnatiusJReilly on Mar 9, 2011 8:04 PM EST reply actions  

Rodney Hudson is a dwarf

And personally am not sure about his mobility after his weight gain.
Jackson is a smart player with a mean streak as well.
And I concur Clint Boling is note worthy.. but Joe made a good list.

BTW IJR on a related note.

Bengals ‘formally met’ with Taiwan Jones at the combine.

1st round draft wishes.
Bengals: Blaine Gabbert, Nick Fairley or AJ Green!
Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving and Harrison Barnes!

by C Byers on Mar 9, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

i left off Clint Boling when I had to shorten my article

He’s a 3rd round guy for us. Swing tackle… starting LG type for us.

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by Joe Goodberry on Mar 9, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I kind of have Boling, Watkins, and Moffitt

all lumped together as the Nasty Boys like Dibble, Myers, and Charlton. Maybe we can draft all three! ;)

by IgnatiusJReilly on Mar 9, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

me too, and Marcus Gilbert

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by Joe Goodberry on Mar 10, 2011 5:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Can someone please explain this to me?

If Anthony Collins is clearly the better RT at this point, why does Marvin insist that the job is still Smith’s? (Money, right?)

If Evan Mathis is clearly better than Nate Livings, why does Livings get tendered and Mathis gets diddley?

When it comes to the offensive line, the Bengals obviously do not see a need to play their best players. Flippin’ stupid.

"The only thing we have to fear is, Mike Brown himself."

by DrainBamage on Mar 9, 2011 11:14 PM EST reply actions  

*this is speculation, but...

At RT, Smith is like the heir to the throne. Its his job one day as long as he’s healthy. Anthony Collins has played good, but has an attitude problem. Marvin has talked about it before. Said he wants Collins to worry about himself and his job. Not to talk sh*t after a play to the opposition., celebrate, and act like a fool. I feel like they’re trying to humble him and let collins mature.

I feel they personally like Livings as a person at LG also. When Mathis was cut from the Panthers, he kind of bad mouthed them… here’s a few E.Mathis Quotes

“Things didn’t go very well in 2007 and 2008 with me not getting much playing time. I’ll elaborate more on my early years in the NFL later, perhaps in a book.”
“When I was drafted, Carolina moved me to the only position I had never played, RG. After not playing my rookie year, I started my 2nd year at RG, only the next year to be moved to tackle and not play a snap. They bounced me to third team center the next year only to cut me at the end of camp.”
“I never wanted to be the sixth man who could play all the spots well. I wanted to be a guy who could play one spot great. I haven’t played the same position for two years in a row since high school.”
“The Bengals had me practicing at every spot on the line every week for the rest of the season. After the season, I called Marvin Lewis and told him I wanted to play defensive end. He ultimately laughed at me and told me he thought I could compete for one of the inside spots.”

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by Joe Goodberry on Mar 10, 2011 5:50 AM EST up reply actions  

my point about Mathis,

Maybe he’s like this in person? Maybe he calls it like it is and the Bengals don’t like it?

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by Joe Goodberry on Mar 10, 2011 5:55 AM EST up reply actions  

So Chad can run his mouth like a fool, but AC can't?

I’m not hammering getting after a guy. I’m all for it. I just don’t understand why one can get away with it and one can’t. (Actually, I suspect that Marvin can’t stand it from either one of them, but Chad is one of Mike’s favorites, so Marvin can’t do anything to him.)

If I were Mathis, I would probably feel the same way. I don’t think there is any question that he can outperform Livings. It’s like the Bengals are intentionally burying him and not giving him a chance to earn a starting spot. And I can’t understand it.

"The only thing we have to fear is, Mike Brown himself."

by DrainBamage on Mar 10, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Just like it sounds like the Panthers buried Mathis. Maybe its the player? I don’t know.

But you’re right. Chad makes them money so he can stay on the team and start.

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by Joe Goodberry on Mar 10, 2011 11:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

So they're not playing because of attitude problems?

That’s the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. This is the NFL, not Catholic Prep school. ML’s job is to get his best players out on the field.

Fight Bengals Fatalism!

by Paul Cannon on Mar 10, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

few things...

1) This is the Bengals… if it sounds dumb… doesn’t mean it’s not plausible.
2) I was just speculating since none of us have a real answer.
3) if you had 3 similarly skilled players. Player A makes $6m a year. B & C don’t make much. A is a high draft pick. B is a mid round. C is undrafted.
A is hurt so you have to choose between B & C.
C is a good team guy, smart, and works hard at his craft. Good run blocker.
B is raw talent. Can act like a clown when you ask him not to. Better pass blocker.

Who do you start? I think this happens all the time in the NFL.

Ask the good team player who feels he’s just as good as the knucklehead, who starts, how he feels? Probably not good. It can be decisive.
But again… I was just speculating. Nobody reall knows.

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by Joe Goodberry on Mar 10, 2011 11:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I wasn't questioning the plausibility of what you were saying, so sorry if that's how my comment came off.

I was just remarking on how ridiculous it is for a coach to play guys based on attitude. I had a great attitude when I played HS basketball, but that didn’t get me any more playing time. You have to put the guys out there that give you the best chance of winning, and everybody with a pair of eyes and a stat sheet could see that Collins was better than Roland and Mathis was better than Livings (particularly in a year where we had to pass a lot more than expected).

Fight Bengals Fatalism!

by Paul Cannon on Mar 10, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Stephen Schilling - T/G - Michigan - 6'5" 310 lbs

4 year starter and captain. Played RT and LG. Is said to have great intagibles – work ethic – leadership – intelligence & awareness – versatile…
But he’s not very strong, or athletic, had a couple nagging injuries, shorter arms than you’d like, doesn’t get a great push in run game, id like him to play nastier.

I could see him as a 6th-UDFA who can compete for a roster spot or swing spot.

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by Joe Goodberry on Mar 10, 2011 10:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I remember him getting mauled at senior bowl practice

Always sticks in my head

1st round draft wishes.
Bengals: Blaine Gabbert, Nick Fairley or AJ Green!
Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving and Harrison Barnes!

by C Byers on Mar 10, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

One more thing

Pretty much all off-season I’ve been hearing what a stud LSU tackle, Joseph Barksdale, is and, yet, I consistently see him mocked in the 5th and beyond. Any idea what gives?

by IgnatiusJReilly on Mar 10, 2011 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

Barkesdale - 6'5" 320 lbs - OT - LSU

Barkesdale was very highly regarded. That’s why you’ve heard his name so much. Coming to LSU, he was highly regarded and billed to be the next stud Tackle for LSU. He had and still has crazy potential. He just never reached it.

He has the look. Big, thick, long arms, good athlete. Plays good but not great. Solid in run & pass protection.
He’s not very sudden or explosive, doesn’t play with power or have a strong punch. Needs fundamental work. Lungs at rushers. Gets beat by speed. Ends up on the ground too much. Loses his balance. He doesnt look comfortable. Low awareness. questions with his intelligence.

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by Joe Goodberry on Mar 10, 2011 10:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks, Joe

for both answers and the piece in general. Much to consider…Ha! I say that like I’m the one that’s gonna make the pick…

by IgnatiusJReilly on Mar 10, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

You're not alone.

That’s how I think of it too.

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by Joe Goodberry on Mar 10, 2011 2:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

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