Commentary: Palmer Never Had the Chance to Succeed
by Ryan Harper on Apr 5, 2011 9:00 PM EDT
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PrintCarson Palmer wants out of Cincinnati and has stated that if his demands aren't met, he'll retire. We all know that by now. Who can blame him? He was never given the opportunity to truly succeed here on a consistent basis anyways.
I don't blame Palmer for the Bengals performance during his tenure in the Queen City. To place all of the blame on Palmer for the Bengals failures would be preposterous. It takes an entire group of players for a team to succeed, not one athlete alone. One can look at all of the teams who constantly return to the playoffs and one thing to note is that those teams have a strong cast on both sides of the ball, unlike the Bengals.
Palmer was never surrounded with an adequate supporting cast to help him lead the Bengals to the playoffs consistently. During his seven years of starting he led the orange and black to he playoffs twice. Two out of seven isn't bad, but at the same time it's far from being of an elite status.
Yes, the quarterback is the head of the offense and elite quarterbacks like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning can make mediocre players Pro-Bowlers, but Palmer was never elite. He was a great quarterback who lacked the proper crew to allow him to reach the next step in the direction of being an elite quarterback.
Mike Brown made numerous questionable moves and others that have really benefited the team. With poor draft picks, free agent signings, and trades the Bengals have been unable to construct a formidable team that Palmer could lead to the playoffs.
Some of the moves that have back fired include drafting Chris Perry, signing wide receiver Antonio Bryant only to release him before he could even suit up for the Bengals, signing Laveranues Coles only to let him go after one season, and never finding a viable replacement for T.J. Houshmandzadeh. Perry only had one respectable season and that was as a third down back, and I'm pretty sure the Bengals didn't make him a first round choice to be a third down back.
As for wide receivers Chad Ochocinco has been on the decline for the past three seasons and no longer looks like the receiver he once was. And after that it's slim pickings as to who would be considered the number two. Terrell Owens was brought into the shuffle, but he seemed more like a distraction instead of a mentor and leader, who didn't see that coming. Lacking a proper group of receivers who are going to stay in Cincinnati has factored in the lack of success that Palmer and the Bengals have seen.
Ever since 2005 the Bengals haven't had a viable group of offensive linemen to protect Palmer from enormous defensive opponents. When a quarterback doesn't have the proper protection or wide receiver group then he is only being set up for failure.
It is widely speculated that the Bengals will draft a quarterback in the upcoming draft, but one problem is that the newcomer won't have a veteran quarterback to help break him in and teach him the ropes of being a professional athlete. When Palmer was drafted, he had Jon Kitna there to help along the away until it was time for Kitna to pass the torch to Plamer.
One scenario that would be a Hail Mary for both parties and probably won't occur is convincing and promising Palmer to remain in the jungle for one more season to be a mentor for the rookie and then in the following offseason trade him to a West coast team, since he lives on that side on the country.
But it would seem as if that scenario is unlikely and that Palmer will depart from Cincinnati leaving the Bengals high and dry at quarterback. It might seem like abandonment, but at the same time it can be viewed upon as simply as throwing in the towel on a team that has never been set up for continuing success. In the end I can't really blame Palmer for wanting out and having an opportunity elsewhere.
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the only person in the organization that has a chance to succeed
Is mike brown. The past 20 years of losing and bad choices have made it impossible to succeed. Untill brown is gone nobody has a chance to succeed.
by JCompton41 on Apr 5, 2011 10:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Palmer never had a Chance???
Say what you want, but he had a chance to be Elite. Blame the draft and the trades and the free agents but he has been throwing the ball. The T.O. pick up worked until they were 2-8 and he finally broke down. Unfotunate injuries happen to each team. Busts happen to each team. You get booed when you perform badly, that’s part of the game! I’m a Carson fan, I’m not sayin it’s all his fault but when the shhh hits the Fan someone has to rise to the occassion. He is choosing to leave. In “09” Carson rose to the occassion leading multiple game winning drives with the free agents, trades, draft picks! He did it in “05” too! “10” Out of the first 6 games, the Bengals should have been 4-2 instead we were 2-4 cus of Carson toward the end of the games. He doesn’t like that feeling, fix it! Don’t run… He is running, no other way to put it… And for those blaming Mike Brown, he hasn’t played a down of football for the Bengals. Some of the Luxuries other teams have, are that Luxeries! Only thing I have seen questionable are the high free agent pick ups Odom, Coles, Bryant… Pacmans, Tank Johnson, Cedric Benson, Roy Williams, Chis Crockers, Dhani Jones, in recent years have all been servicable. The drafts have been good the past 5-6 years. Injuries and knuckle heads mess that up!!! Palmer had as much of a chance as any QB in the League!
by Dwight Carter on Apr 5, 2011 10:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd argue that from 2004-2007 he was given all the tools to succeed
and did rather well during that time. 2008-2011 on the other hand he was most definitely not. What I don’t get is why jump ship when it looked so good at the end. I doubt we’ll ever know.
by Throw the ball on Apr 6, 2011 12:01 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Colt’s week.
1st round draft wishes.
Bengals: Blaine Gabbert, Marcell Dareus or AJ Green!
Cavaliers: ANY PG AND SF DUO.
www.FearTheSword.com.
And here come the haters.
Mention the word “Carson Palmer” and you have a group of people vindicated by a man who has done relatively nothing to them. o:
Paul Cannon hits it on the head and y’all can’t get past your tunnel vision to see it.
Palmer had a chance.
This story is taking it to far to say that.
Your welcome to your own opinion, but i don’t think the majority would say “Palmer never had a chance”/
1st round draft wishes.
Bengals: Blaine Gabbert, Marcell Dareus or AJ Green!
Cavaliers: ANY PG AND SF DUO.
www.FearTheSword.com.
alas
Palmer was never surrounded with an adequate supporting cast to help him lead the Bengals to the playoffs consistently
we come to the argument that’s been beaten like a dead horse. Palmer and the Bengals were set up to fail because this organization/franchise is poorly run from the top down. he was never surrounded with an adequate supporting cast because the ownership and management are the worst in sports, only behind the Clippers.
put Peyton Manning or Tom Brady in a Bengals uniform and i guarantee you Cincy would STILL not have a Super Bowl to show for it. it takes more than a QB and one player to succeed and win a Super Bowl.
on the flipside, if you put Palmer on any of the Super Bowl winning Patriot or Steeler teams, i’m sure they still would have won it.
by 8sp0rts8 on Apr 6, 2011 2:31 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Screw you Carson!!
I’m sorry I really don’t feel bad for Carson Palmer please the guy has more money than I will ever see in a lifetime, he has a great job for a questionable team. I sorta agree with the article but come on the last few seasons Carsons made bad throwing decisions, the playoff game against the jets he overthrew everyone, not to mention his six interceptions that were returned for touchdowns damn 42 points!! Whatever once I was so proud to have Carson as our quarterback but not anymore screw him let him retire, get fat and lazy maybe he can clean lawns for a season picking up fan trash.. He’s such an asshole!!
Then why did he sign the extension?
That’s my beef with Carson… if it was so terrible in Cincy why not leave the first chance he got? Instead he takes the millions and millions of dollars Mikey actually shelled out for once, lets his play severely decline, waits until we’re in the absolute worst position to get a new QB, and THEN Demands a trade? That’s a bitch move.
In 2005, didnt we all think the team finally changed for the better?
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by Joe Goodberry on Apr 6, 2011 7:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I think we thought
that we finally had an assemblage of players that even the management and coaching hadn’t managed to screw up. Except, then they did.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Apr 6, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought that for 2010 also.
Man was I let down.
Sure. Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I'll say that.....
i look at it like this.For one ,management @ my workplace is poor.95% of my co-workers are lazy and could care less about anything.Like many of you,i go to work everyday and do what im paid(underpaid) to do and i work my ass off doing it.Like it or not,poor cast around me or not i do my best everyday and come home tired.Its me and the other 5% like me that keep that place going.Does this mean i should just lay down?Give up?No.I ll man up everyday and keep trying to make myself and others around me better.Is it so diffrent for Carson?
by Who-DeyWilloughby on Apr 6, 2011 3:27 AM EDT reply actions
exactly
We can put blame on management, bad quality supporting cast, Palmer’s play and anything else that has caused the Bengals to be unsuccesful but the bottom line is that Carson Palmer is a quitter. Nothing else needs to be said. He’s a loser.
"At the very end, somebody took a dump right where I stood in the dugout every day." Dusty Baker
Or,
you could say this place sucks and look for a better job. Now that wouldn’t be so different from Carson.
Carson has always had good WR’s
Chad & TJ
Chad & L Coles
Chad & TO
Yes, that’s not exactly Reggie Wayne & Andre Johnson, but very few NFL teams have had better WR tandems than what Carson was given his whole time here. Also, his O-Line has been above average in his time here, and he’s had a good running game while he was here too.
He’s been regressing since 2006, getting continually worse over the last 4 seasons and there is nobody to blame for that except Carson.
It’s no wonder the playoff year (2009) was the year we kept the ball out of Carson’s hands and ran it a lot….
by ephram on Apr 6, 2011 7:39 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And yet more than half of the Bengals wins that year
were the result of Palmers passing in the fourth quarter.
Pass protection!
And in the end of games,i think Carson’s hand led 6 or 7 game winning drives,your right in the aspect we should have been running the ball this year also,keep defense fresh,control the clock,some dumb ass thought we should pass 60 times a game
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
it was some his fault for this
sure we didnt get every player he wanted but we got him a good te and a post wr. it is his fault he was the one who threw so many pick sixes instead of throwing it away taking a sack. i can see where pressure can cause you to throw picks but he was telegraphing too much. if anyone is to blame its him or run twice pass predictible bratowski.
by bengalsfanforlife on Apr 6, 2011 8:22 AM EDT reply actions
I always supported him
Until this crap. Now, he’s on the other side. Might as well be a Steeler.
by quickslant on Apr 6, 2011 8:39 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
What the Bengals eventually get for him via a trade...
…will prove he hasn’t lived up to expectations, unfortunately.
A second round pick at best for a guy who was the first pick in the draft isn’t the best return on investment and I can understand why Mike Brown is a little annoyed.
Carson’s has had his chance; now it’s time for someone else to take the reins.
you want another Chad?
when Chad couldnt get out he quit on the team over last 3 seasons. Perhaps CP9 wants to avoid that by forcing a change. if owners can terminate a contract with no penalty why cant a player retire early?
In the end. getting rid of a disgruntled player is for the best. Even better if the player has not performed well over a few years.
by BENGALS69 on Apr 6, 2011 10:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
The Bengal's never had a Chance because>>>
The real reason the bengal’s didn’t have a chance didn’t have a d@m thing to do with Carson,the man who ran the play’s on his side of the ball was the problem. Add to that the two times Carson has been hurt his throwing isn’t worth a sh!t now,I went to pre-season practice 2/3 of the passes were high just like the season. Carson should retire but for good he too gun-shy on the pass rush.!
Loser's
After reading these posts,i now understand why the Bengals are consistant “losers”,its the city and the fans themselves,these are some very stupid remarks,and this is a site for “BENGALS FANS” i can understand being bitter becuse the only man to lead the team to the playoff’s in the last 20 years wants to leave.Lets get serious,Palmer gave us all "HOPE"before him,a free agent wouldnt even consider cincy,Marvin would not have a head coaching job,and Chad would have been released from any elite franchise,"STEELER"S,NE,"Mike Brown will not trade Carson,even if he is offered a first rounder,becuse we all know the kind of success he will have and that will expose the organization for what it is.
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
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