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Reaction To NFL Mock Drafts From Mel Kiper And Todd McShay

Analyzing a mock draft isn't something I normally do for several reasons. I rarely know enough of the players coming into the draft; mostly because I haven't had the opportunity to watch game tape of every prospect. Nor have I seen every college's pro day, sat in during a team's private workout and I don't consider myself versed enough on every NFL team to make those judgments.

But I do know the Cincinnati Bengals. And I do know that Mel Kiper Jr. and Todd McShay addressed positions in their latest mock drafts that the Bengals will have to address at some point. I'm just not sure if they're the right ones.

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Let's get this out of the way with. Based on conjecture and the value of quarterbacks expected to be taken in the first round, I'd be surprised if the Bengals don't wait until the second round to draft a quarterback. Not only is it a need, but the Bengals have expressed interest in three quarterbacks expected to go in the second round in TCU's Andy Dalton, Arkansas' Ryan Mallett and Florida State University's Christian Ponder.

So a quarterback in the second round isn't really an issue here. Actually, I'd say it's the closest thing to an expectation we can assume.

However, we also find it hard to believe that the Bengals would select all offense in the first three rounds of the 2011 NFL Draft. And drafting a running back in the third round, as McShay and Kiper have done, is suspect at best.

We've made arguments for and against A.J. Green. We're fence-sitters on the issue, understanding enough that he could bring a lot to the table, though not persuaded enough not to make arguments for other positions. In both mock drafts, LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson reaches San Francisco's seventh overall selection.

We favor Peterson in Cincinnati for two reasons.

If the Bengals surprise the entire population of man by re-signing Johnathan Joseph, Peterson could be used as a safety -- another position that's in desperate need of being addressed. And then when the Bengals elect not to bring Leon Hall back next year (with the idea that the team can't re-sign both Hall and Joseph), Peterson could move back to cornerback next year. We feel Peterson addresses a need while also be considered the best player available -- the difference between he and Green in the BPA argument is inconsequential.

Additionally, the Bengals were strong on defense during both of their playoff runs in the past decade. In 2005, it was about turnovers. In 2009, it was about overall defense. If we allow our defense to slowly break apart as we could do -- such as letting players like Brandon Johnson, Jonathan Fanene, Johnathan Joseph, Chinedum Ndukwe leave for free agency -- then no amount of offensive talent is going to help them return to the playoffs.

There's no disputing Green's talent. However if Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell resume their production the way they ended 2010, Green could easily be listed as the fourth wide receiver on the depth chart. Normally, this is good, because the team won't need to put a rookie wide receiver into the starting lineup immediately, allowing him to adjust to the NFL at a position that's often thought to have the steepest learning curve.

This is all subjective thanks to the lack of free agency this offseason where the Bengals could have had a more definitive gameplan. Such as, did Johnathan Joseph sign with another team? Could the Bengals work at upgrading a position through free agency rather than using the draft to fill gaps? What about running backs? By now we'd know if Cedric Benson and Brian Leonard are returning. No free agency is the reason we're pointing at so many positions in which the Bengals could draft replacements and upgrades.

Regardless, predictions on the draft is more subjective than ever this year. And it's why, I have to admit, mock drafts are kind of fun.

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I respectfully disagree Josh

As of today, with no free agency on the horizon. Today the Bengals cannot field an offensive team. They would be fine on defense. But the offense doesnt have a QB, RB, WR, LG.

I could and would hope to see them fill those 4 spots within the first 5 picks.

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by Joe Goodberry on Apr 6, 2011 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Correct

Couple that with the fact that the Bengals used a pick each in Rounds 2-4 in last years draft, and this year’s crop has to be Offensive-loaded. I think an RB can wait until later and a Guard should be chosen in round 3, but the first two picks should be WR and QB.

If they end up going with Gabbert at #4, then Baldwin, Hankerson, Torrey Smith, or one of the Boise State WR’s should be considered in Round 2.

by Anthony Cosenza on Apr 6, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Austin Pettis - Boise - WR is more of a 4-6 rounder

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by Joe Goodberry on Apr 6, 2011 6:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Defense needs to be addressed

I don’t like the idea of ignoring the defensive side of the ball altogether in the first three rounds of a very talented defensive class. The D, was ok last year, but let’s not kid ourselves into thinking that they don’t need upgrades.

The offense is going to be bad next year no matter who they draft (New Offensive Coordinator + Rookie QB + Rookie WR + no off season to learn the playbook = growing pains). If the Bengals win any games at all, it’s going to be on the defensive side of the ball.

Fight Bengals Fatalism!

by Paul Cannon on Apr 6, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

My dream draft order.

Round 1: Marcell Dareus, Patrick Peterson, Nick Fairley, Julio Jones, AJ Green
Round 2: Danny Watkins, Benjamin Ijalana, Rodney Hudson, Torrey Smith, Leonard Hankerson
Round 3: Tandon Doss, Titus Young, Greg Little, Joseph Barksdale, Tyler Sash

After there draft BPA. Grab a guy like McElroy in the 6th and make him battle it out with LeFevour for 2nd & 3rd string. Sign any veteran FA QB as soon as the CBA is established and roll with him. Take a QB next year and watch him drool at the offensive line he’ll get the stand behind.

by Cry on Apr 6, 2011 6:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Watkins..

probably my favorite player in the draft and a guy that I think needs to be in stripes. Dareus and Watkins would be the ideal 1 and 2 for me…but I think Dareus is gone by 4. I like

1. Fairley
2. Watkins
3. WR (Jernigan, Young, Little) or Safety (McDaniel)

if we’re going to take a luxury pick (Green, Peterson) in the first I could live with this…

1. Peterson/Green
2. Watkins
3. Marvin Austin

by Crew Jones on Apr 7, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

The things that confuse me

1. As much as I believe in Dalton, why do the Bengals pass on Gabbert when they have full intention of drafting a QB?

2. Looking at Brown’s draft history I would have a hard time saying he goes 1 side of the ball 3 rounds in a row. And I have a harder time buying the RB pick considering we’re talking to so many late round backs. I would though, entirely believe a draft that would go O-O-D-O.

1st round draft wishes.
Bengals: Blaine Gabbert, Marcell Dareus or AJ Green!
Cavaliers: ANY PG AND SF DUO.
www.FearTheSword.com.

by C Byers on Apr 6, 2011 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

RE

1.) Agree. I think people are saying that the Bengals won’t draft Gabbert because he’s off of the board, not because they don’t like him—at least it seems that way for the most part. I think if both Gabbert and AJ Green are there at #4, they’ll grab Gabbert. I just don’t see him making it past Buffalo at #3.

2.) I also agree with you here. I think O-O-D-O is the best formula. Probably QB, WR, S, OL—in any order you want. Those four would be the best combo because those are the biggest needs right now.

by Anthony Cosenza on Apr 6, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it's O-O, it has to be O-O-O.

The interior of the offensive line is one of the most important areas of need. How can you let it slide to 4?

by Cry on Apr 6, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m being realistic, I don’t see them NOT throwing the defense a bone in the top 3 rounds.

I agree I’d like OL addressed earlier, but I don’t see us going O 3 rounds in a row at the top.
Especially when the draft by the Bengals goes one side of the ball then the other in the top 2 rounds. But if they were to ‘double dip’ on one side before going to D, I don’t see them going three rounds.

1st round draft wishes.
Bengals: Blaine Gabbert, Marcell Dareus or AJ Green!
Cavaliers: ANY PG AND SF DUO.
www.FearTheSword.com.

by C Byers on Apr 6, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on who is available...

It’s pretty obvious that we need a legitimate number 1 WR (not sure we have one or not) plus a QB. We also need a starting left guard, a defensive tackle and lots of help at the saftety position, along with a fallback at RB. I think it’s hard to predict pre-draft which needs to fill every area of need. I suspect you take whoever is most highly rated on your board given all of the areas of need.

I realize the Bengals are somewhat unpredictable in their war room but that’s the approach that I would take. Since the draft has more depth, especially at DT I’d be surprised if they didn’t take one in the first three rounds.

MrEdtheBengalFan

by mredinnova on Apr 6, 2011 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Get Two Weapons. Roll the Dice. AJ Green and Ryan Mallett.

by Chili Dog on Apr 6, 2011 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

My Thoughts...

Round 1: AJ Green
Round 2: Andy Dalton
Round 3: Quinton Carter
Round 4: Best Running back or O-line

Just what I see happening.

by ddbumpus on Apr 6, 2011 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

id be happy

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by Joe Goodberry on Apr 6, 2011 9:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't know that a stud wide out

like Jones or Green is a need as much as it is a luxury. If we’re dead set on a QB, he has to be taken in the first round. With the #4 pick, Newton or Gabbert has to be the pick if they’re available, unless we’re planning to wait til next year to go after a legitimate franchise QB- in which case, LeFevour is a perfectly serviceable stopgap. That’s the direction I would go, unless the CBA gets signed quickly and we can actually trade Carson for a pick this year. Equally, second round has to be an interior lineman- not a quarterback, not a receiver. If we have to, we can get by with Simpson, Caldwell, Shipley, Gresham, Coffman, and Bernard Scott but we can also pick up a decent wideout later to compete with Caldwell also. Third round is for safety, period.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Apr 6, 2011 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I doesn't have to be a first rounder...but we've had this debate before. lol

If Newton was there (which I don’t think he will be), I think I’d be happy with him, but I don’t like Gabbert #4 overall.

Fight Bengals Fatalism!

by Paul Cannon on Apr 7, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

If JJo's not signed

You’re going with Jones and Hall. Ghee and Trent at three and four.

I would have thought safety is worth a look in the third and then OL (they have to still at least consider moving Smith to LG as he’s not beating out anyone at RT).

But if the quitter is traded in the second, options certainly open up to address D.

by wiseking on Apr 7, 2011 1:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

...and trade Chad in the third?

You’re retooling all over the place. And that’s what’s needed.

Build around Shipley and Gresham on O and Fisher Price on D.

by wiseking on Apr 7, 2011 1:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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