Commentary: Forget the Veteran Quarterback Option
Noodling on the Cincinnati Bengals' potential roster on offense, The Enquirer's Joe Reedy writes:
With all indications of a Carson Palmer retirement forthcoming, the Bengals still need another veteran quarterback. Possible names to watch would be Bruce Gradkowski, Billy Volek and Jim Sorgi. As Jason LaCanfora pointed out on the connect the dots between Gradkowski and the Bengals, Gradkowski has experience in Jay Gruden’s system, spending three seasons in Tampa Bay. He has been injured though the last two seasons.
Let me say just one word seven times: NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.
Veteran quarterback? Do not want.
Let me be blunt: the Bengals are not going to the playoffs in 2011. A .500 record would be a victory. A winning record would be a miracle and should result in getting Marvin Lewis Coach of the Year honors. But the Steelers and the Ravens have the same "easy" schedule we do and will be hard-pressed to lose more than four or five games each. Bengals wins in 2011 will not be measured in the teens, I guarantee you. My personal over/under on wins is six.
Given the poll results here, I may be in the minority, but I see this as a rebuilding year. Bringing in some retread like Gradkowski, never-was like Sorgi or fading vet like McNabb will only delay the process. They tried this in the Nineties with a string of retread/vet/who? QBs (Paul Justin, anyone? Gus Frerotte? Neil freakin' O'Donnell?) and it didn't work. I say: let's find out what we have.
Is Jordan Palmer the answer? I doubt it -- but let's find out. Does Andy Dalton have the chops for the NFL game? Let's find out.
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I'm a win now kind of guy. I think every year you have to put the best team you can out there.
Andy Dalton doesn’t give us the best chance at winning now. I’m not one that thinks you have to spend years upon years like Cleveland trying to put together a playoff team. Let him develop under a veteran for one year. You don’t throw a shortened off season, a brand new playbook, and a team learning a new system at a rookie QB that no one said was pro ready to begin with.
This year is practice for next year.
Not starting Andy is just giving him less time to get ready for 2012. Bring in a Vet maybe, but as a sideline mentor.
Amen.
NFL players have short shelf lives and short contracts. It not like baseball where you have guys in the minors and you build up to something down the road. There are too many injuries and such that can drastically change your roster from year to year. In the NFL, next year is now. You have to try to win today in the NFL. The Browns have been "building for next year" for a decade…which is just a nice way of saying your team stinks.
It's not planning to fail
It’s putting ourselves in the best position to win for the future. The Redskins have been trying to win “this year” forever… it hasn’t worked. The teams that are successful are the ones that are built to last.
We can either plan for the following year
Or try to be mediocre this year.
Volek!
I’m glad you mentioned Volek, a name that isn’t being tossed around much. Without bothering to look at any of his numbers, I’m going to say I like the guy, and that’s largely just because he was such a hot commodity about 6 years ago when teams were clamoring to get him as their starter. He’s that Steve Beuerlein mirage I’d definitely go after if I were GM. I still think Dalton needs someone to lean on, and as much as I wanna believe JPalm can do that, I simply can’t see it.
I like McNabb for a year. He’s a solid vet who is familiar with the WCO & is also familiar with Urban. I think he would be a good mentor for Dalton as well. Like him or not…he’s won a lot of games in the league, is a class guy, and has played in plenty of big games. He would be my guy for 2011.
by Bdub14 on Jun 23, 2011 8:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Off topiv
The rumor from negotiations today is that they’ll go back to players being unrestricted FAs after FOUR years… Doesn’t this mean JJoe AND Leon will be free agents when the lockout is over?! I hope to god there’s some angle I’m not thinking of and this isn’t true…
by emeybee on Jun 23, 2011 9:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Hall is under contract. This would not nullify that.
It means if he’s not renewed next year he would be unrestricted, I believe.
by Boomer Lion on Jun 23, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay thanks
I, admittedly, don’t pay much attention to player contracts so issues like these tend to go over my head
But he will be unrestricted at the end of 2011 season
It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob. ~ The Brain
As mentioned before, Hall is under contract.
The deal with FA is a distinction between restricted and unrestricted free agents. All players under contract aren’t free agents of any type.
Under the uncapped 2010 season rules, free agents who haven’t had more than 6 accrued seasons were restricted free agents, which meant that teams could give them tenders, and if another team tried to sign them, the original team would have a chance to match the offer and keep the player. In addition, if the original team refused to match the offer, the offering team could be required to offer compensation (in draft picks), depending on the level of the original tender. This would apply to JJo if the same rules were applied.
Under the previous CBA, free agents were only restricted if they hadn’t had more than 4 accrued seasons. Under this system, JJo wouldn’t be restricted, so any team could sign him without any concerns (besides the contract with the player).
I'm kind of split on this topic...
The only thing I’m 100% sure of is that Jordan Palmer IS NOT the answer. On one hand I want to see what Dalton is made of and how he fares against NFL competition so he knows where he needs to grow and improve to become a successful starting Quarterback for the future. But on the other hand I don’t want him to get thrown in the jungle without a clue of knowing what to do and ultimately hurting him physically or mentally from growing into a productive Cincinnati franchise QB. I may be over-reacting a little bit but I’m sure it would be tough for him and the fans to believe in him if he went out starting as a rookie and went 4-12 with twice as many picks as TD’s. In a perfect world, I would like to see them bring in a vet, have him start the first couple games for them until the WHOLE organization and team is comfortable with starting Dalton for the remainder of the year. We gotta keep in mind that this whole lockout thing is doing nothing but making the learning curve for any rookie 100x harder. Starting Dalton game 1 might be a mistake that could hurt Cincinnati in the long term.
If JP5 sux, then great people will be clammoring for Dalton.
If he doesn’t suck, then bonus.
by Boomer Lion on Jun 23, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand the logic of starting Palmer Jr
If we’re going to go with a rough player who needs time to develop, we may as well just go with the one with the most promising future from the outset. Why start Jordan for a year, just to have Dalton be raw next year? Start Dalton, don’t expect much this year, and let him learn on the job.
My only concern is that we scar a kid who was already a little less than NFL ready.
It’s a blown 2nd round pick if he doesn’t pan out because we killed his confidence.
I'd be ok with Gradkowski
Dude seems to win (especially against the Bengals), especially with subpar offensive talent. The Bengals would give him a lot of weapons that he hasn’t had before. I still would prefer McNabb or Hasselbeck though.
by Anthony Cosenza on Jun 23, 2011 11:33 PM EDT reply actions
Dude doesn't win
He just beat us. He is 2-1 with 4 Tds and 3 INT against the Bengals. He is 7-21 with 16 TDs and 20 INTs against teams not us. We don’t sack him, so he plays well aginst us. The rest of the league sacks him and he doesn’t do as well.
I don’t mind bringing in Gradkowski to compete with the expectation of him backing up Dalton, but you should not expect him to take us to victory.
It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob. ~ The Brain
Baptize by fire!
Put Dalton in and work through the rough spots. He will be better for it.
by Big A up in Clifton on Jun 24, 2011 4:45 AM EDT reply actions
funny poll options
since the 90s is when the bengals started a rookie qb and let him get sacked savagely to the point any chance of a NFL career ended before his third season started. being sacked 58 times for the 1st 2 years of a nfl career tends to make any young qb hear footsteps.
meet the 90s. meet david klingler.
" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe
this
Equating the signing of a veteran QB to reliving the 90s is silly. The Bengals have more talent and better coaches than they had at any point from 1992-2000. By a long shot.
I really don’t understand the aversion to a veteran QB. When has any team ever been successful when their entire stable of QBs had 0 NFL starting experience?
by indesignkat on Jun 24, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
here is a thread with some pretty good arguments
http://bengalsworld.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14168 it’s, basically, the same poll with different sides to the argument.
http://bengalsworld.com/forum/image.php?u=35&type=sigpic&dateline=1195110784
by Dr. Johnny Fever on Jun 24, 2011 7:56 AM EDT reply actions
You have to bring a veteran guy in
Jordan has done a great job, acting like a veteran QB, but if he is on the Gameday roster come the first game against Cleveland, I would be shocked!
Gradkowski would be a fine addition because he wins, he fits the system and he would be happy to be a mentor. Dalton will play this year and he will do OK. I wouldnt be averse to him starting Day 1 because of the recent successes of high draft picks!
They tried this in the Nineties with a string of retread/vet/who? QBs (Paul Justin, anyone? Gus Frerotte? Neil freakin’ O’Donnell?) and it didn’t work.
Bringing in mediocre vet QB’s in the 1990’s didn’t work not because of the QB’s, but because the team in general was just awful. Gus Frerotte & Neil O’Donnell were a lot better than Akili Smith and David Klinger.
how quickly ppl forget: jon kitna
or the worst season of payton mannings career? his rookie season when he started.
" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe

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