If Andy Dalton Isn't Ready, Should Jordan Palmer Start at QB?
by BeerRun on Jul 24, 2011 6:00 PM EDT
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PrintCincinnati Bengals offensive coordinator Jay Gruden continues to bang the drum for rookie Andy Dalton to start. With the caveat that head coach Marvin Lewis will have the final say, Gruden says that were it up to him, the preseason depth chart at QB would be set.
"I think we'll see when it opens up if we get with another veteran or if it's the three we have," Gruden said. "... If I had to say right now - but Coach Lewis will have more say than I will - we have to get Andy ready. If he can't handle it, we have to get Jordan ready. If Jordan can't handle it, then we have to get Dan ready."
There's nothing new about Gruden's enthusiasm for Dalton, but what caught my attention was the idea that if The Great Red Hope isn't ready, plan B is Jordan Palmer.
Despite not being under contract, the junior Palmer has been deeply involved in getting players together for offseason workouts during the lockout, earning both praise and scorn. However, everything emanating from PBS has either pointed toward Dalton or to the Bengals signing a veteran free agent Like Bruce Gradkowski -- or both. Mentions of Jordan Palmer have not been common, to say the least.
And maybe this was just a throwaway line by Gruden. But for the sake of argument, let's assume that it isn't. Further, let's also assume that Andy Dalton isn't judged ready to line up behind center, and the opening day honors fall to Jordan Palmer. I wonder what the reaction would be.
In a way, Jordan Palmer claiming the starter's job his older brother just walked away from could be seen as a victory for clan Palmer. On the other hand, if the Bengals braintrust believes he offers the team the best chance to win -- and he is the only veteran QB with knowledge of the new playbook -- then by all rights it ought to be his job to lose. Which in turn makes me also wonder how Gruden's heavy breathing over Andy has played in the Jordan Palmer household, and exactly if and how that would come out in camp, assuming the Bengals give him a new deal.
So, what does everyone think? Yay or nay to l'il Palmer if Andy Dalton isn't ready?
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How in the world do you know
If Lil’ Palmer isn’t good enough to make it happen? He was stuck
1. behind his brother
2. was in Brats system
3. had to throw to the 2nd, 3rd and practice squad players in practice and only practice
4. has to put up with this organization and MB
With most of these things behind him, except for 4, give him a shot at the very least. He did put up good numbers in college in a similar system that Gruden is using now.
I agree to mostly everything you say.
Other than the good numbers… He played at UTEP.. They are terrible,.. And he threw 20 picks a year… But i think the experience he’s got behind carson and practice and behind an ok o line he’ll do well
He had the record for the most yards thrown at UTEP didn't he?
During his freshman year, Palmer threw 7 touchdowns and 13 interceptions while completing 49.5% of his passes for 1,168 yards. During his sophomore year he threw for 26 touchdowns and 18 interceptions while completing 58.2% of his passes for 2,618 yards. In his junior year in 2005, he led UTEP to the 2006 GMAC Bowl against Toledo. He threw for a career-high 29 touchdowns and 19 interceptions while completing 59.4% of his passes for 3,503 yards. In his senior season, Palmer threw for 26 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. He completed 65.7% of his passes while his team went 5-7 and did not qualify for post-season play.
Check these stats out, they are not bad..
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jordan-palmer-1.html
JP is not the answer
A good QB would have shown us something even in that situation. He was only a Bengal because of his brother. Without Carson, Jordan would not even be in the NFL.
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by BonnieBengal on Jul 24, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I know Jordan is not the answer
but Andy needs time to develop and rather see him get a shot at least with this lockout and everything going on.
But there are reports Palmer Lite is the best Quarterback in the fold right now.
No matter how bad he is, we can’t exactly cut bait right now. LeFevour’s the only one that should go (we don’t have room on the roster for two developmental QBs).
by Doc Scratch on Jul 25, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think LeFevour is a better option
as far as developmental QBs go. I believe he has more upside.
We'll find out wont we,..
The team respects JP. I respect him, i say give him a chance just from the NFL practice and snaps he’s had,.. If he’s not ready,.. which coaches should know within a week or two, then start andy and have a run first O.. lol we should have a run first O anyways… But yeah lets really see what he can do
I still like the idea of getting a vet
for Dalton to learn under for a year, just as Carson did with Kitna.
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by BonnieBengal on Jul 24, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Dalton, for all of his intelligence
won’t be ready to start, and Jordan Palmer won’t be ready simply because he’s… well.. Jordan Palmer. Someone must be acquired in the short term via free agency. Remember, it’s all in the short term.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Jul 24, 2011 7:04 PM EDT reply actions
No Jordan
There is a reason why he was drafted in the 7th, and dropped before the start of the season and there is a reason he was with the bengals and thats Carson. They never would have picked him up if not for Carson, he doesnt have the skills plain and simple.
With all the crap Carson is causing
We can’t keep his little brother on the team.
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Whoever has the best camp needs to start
Dalton isn’t a top 5 pick that we are financially bound to get on the field at some point.
He’s shorter than Jordan
Has a significantly weaker arm than Jordan
Roughly as athletic
Has 0 experience with anyone on the team
Jordan has been throwing to Caldwell and Simpson for a couple years now.
Lets not forget Reedy said JP5 was well ahead of the other QB’s at Nippert.
by Throw the ball on Jul 24, 2011 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
+1
I posted his college stats in a post above and you could see how he progressed from his freshmen year to his senior year. I think he needs a chance.. He’s been waiting for it. If he’s a wash then no harm, right?
by WHYUS!! on Jul 24, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We will find out what he can do with the 1st team in pre-season. You know they will give him some reps.
He is virtually a body clone of CP9 and he can run. Wouldn’t that be something if CP9’s little brother takes over and we make it to the playoffs? What if he actually won a playoff game? I would love to see the expression on CP9’s face if that happened. Think about it. The dude has been in his brother’s shadow his whole life, and now it’s his chance to be a star. He will probably give you everything he has got, because this is probably going to be the only chance he is ever going to get to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. Not that any of this is likely ever to happen, but stranger things have happened.
OH NO!!! WE SUCK AGAIN!!!
Career Stats Suck though
10 for 15 with a total career 59 yards, 2 interceptions and a 34.4 passer rating.
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by BonnieBengal on Jul 25, 2011 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions
All I'm saying is
Give him a chance like you were going to give Carson a chance with a new OC. You have always said that Brat was the problem, right? Before Carson quit? You were so ecstatic when Brat was gone. Now that we have a new OC whats the harm in giving Jordan a shot? We still have Andy Dalton..
I rather let Lil Palmer get beat up b/c this is what Carson kinda had planned. If he doesn’t pan out then he’ll fall flat on his face. If he does do good which I hope he does, it would be sweet revenge on Carson. Could you imagine lil bro taking the team to the playoffs and winning playoff games? In your face Carson. But that probably is not going to happen.
It's Not Really In Your Face
If Carson leaves and his brother gets to be a starter. It’s probably right in his plans. If he actually gets traded and Jordan gets to start, CP will be ecstatic. His plan will have worked. If he retires and Jordan gets to be a starter, I’m sure that was his backup plan.
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by BonnieBengal on Jul 25, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
He will have to realize
that if his little brother did it with this new OC, what in the hell could he have done. This is what would be in the back of his mind for the rest of his retirement days, b/c that is what he’s going to have to do. MB will not trade him.
Plus, the better for us if Lil bro does great. If he doesn’t, well, then Andy sits and learns for a few games. Which is what I think he needs anyways.. ’
I rather use the extra money that has to be spent on other FAs of much greater importance, like signing J Joe and extending Halls contract. Bringing a big name safety in too, like Weddle.
If you bring in a vet QB, they will also have to learn the play book and the offense just like Jordan. Which he has an upperhand on anyways. A vet QB will only have game experience and that’s all. Any one we get would be a backup QB for any other team.
I still say dump Jordan
And get a proven vet.
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by BonnieBengal on Jul 25, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm saying there are no proven vets
that will come here for just one year. The only ones that are out there are backup QBs at best. Which Jordan has an upperhand on anyways. Why waste the money when it can be spent elsewhere for better needs?
But obviously your stuck on the Palmer thing…and I guess thats OK. I understand.
A QBs best weapon
is between his ears. Advantage Dalton.
Camp
Like I said before, whoever wins the starting battle, earns the job. Whether it’s Jordan Palmer, Andy Dalton, or Dan Lefevour, I don’t care.
by johnson_cody_18 on Jul 25, 2011 12:22 AM EDT reply actions
We need a vet with experience
Jordan’s career stats: 10 for 15 for a total 59 yards with 2 interceptions and a 34.4 passer rating. We need someone like Gradkowski to come in so Andy can learn under him. Jordan threw three passes last year for a total 18 yards. He’s thrown for 59 yards in his entire NFL career. Andy needs to learn from someone with more experience.
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by BonnieBengal on Jul 25, 2011 6:52 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What has Gradkowski ever done
Except win against the Bengals??? Seriously the guy sucks
by Throw the ball on Jul 25, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
He'll look great in camp
He plays very well against us.
It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob. ~ The Brain
One big factor in Jordan's Favor
He most certainly has practiced more with our receivers than anyone.
JP may not be the best QB in the world, but he may be the best stopgap until Ginger is ready to play.
At the very least, he earned the right to try out for #1 during camp.
Sure. Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Here is a nice throw from the 2009 pre season
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81232ddc/Pre-WK-3-Jordan-Palmer-highlights
What I really like here is that he doesn’t get a chance to get his lower body into this throw at all and still gets plenty of zip on it. I have a feeling Dalton wouldn’t have been able to make the same throw.
the bottom line is... whoever is the most ready, STARTS.
If Jordan wins it, good for him!
If Andy wins it, good for him!
If Dan wins it, good for him!
If we sign a veteran FA and he wins, it good for him!
The Bengals drafted Dalton because they thought he could had potential to start day 1. And, whoever has the best shot at getting the win on week 1, will be starting week 1.
"You gotta look good. Look good, you play good. Play good, pay good. Pay good, live good. Live good, y'know, eat good. Die good." - Deion Sanders
I don't get why everyone vehemently hates Palmer Lite just because of his name.
It’s irrationally avoiding everything else about him because of his name. On a team with no established veteran presence on offense, a team that has been starved for leadership throughout the Palmer years, a team that has no true established QB for now, and a team that has no reasonable opportunity to make the playoffs anyway, why would you cut bait with the QB that’s playing the best of them? The team looks up to Palmer Lite. That alone should save him.
But, knowing Mike Brown, it probably won’t. If anything, he’ll cut him and demoralize the whole gogdamn offense again.
by Doc Scratch on Jul 25, 2011 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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