Schefter: Bengals Trade Undisclosed Pick to 49ers for Taylor Mays
by Jason Garrison on Aug 22, 2011 8:23 PM EDT
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According to a Tweet from ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Bengals have traded an undisclosed draft pick for safety Taylor Mays.
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Mays will likely fight Chris Crocker and Reggie Nelson for a starting safety job and will join Gibril Wilson, Tom Nelson, Jeromy Miles and Robert Sands on the depth chart.
This move came right after the Bengals lost Donte Whitner to the 49ers after it was already announced that he signed with the Bengals.
Mays played in all 16 games in 2010 for the 49ers, making 38 tackles and two passes defensed.
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straight from stripe hype
Rumored Undisclosed pick is valued at being a 4th round 2012 Draft pick. It could conditionally be bumped up unto being a 3rd round pick if Mays were to play 80% of the defensive snaps this season
by joeb69 on Aug 22, 2011 8:59 PM PDT reply actions
taking his contract and a 7th round pick
would have been doing the 49ers a favor. if its a 4th round pick, the bengals got fleeced.
" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe
We had a choice?
Sadly this is what happens when they cheaped out and didn’t throw another couple million on the fire, that would have allowed us to secure May’s replacement. You remember him. The guy who was a Bengal via Twitter.
Sure. Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Re:
The Bengals got the player they wanted by giving up a pick that is allegedly two rounds lower than where they were going to draft him a year ago. Additionally, Mays now has a year of NFL experience under his belt.
If anyone got “fleeced”, it’s the 49ers. Basically trading a second round pick for a fourth round pick.
by Anthony Cosenza on Aug 23, 2011 10:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
half-full half-empty
me, i don’t respect brown’s acumen as saving a 2nd round pick in a trade for a 4th. i see a player that nobody would have traded for and we could have got off the wire for free.
" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe
It was rumored that the bears were going to give them a 3rd round pick.
However they backed out a few days ago. Their plan was to move him to LB. So we got him for cheaper than what another club was going to offer.
im ok with it
If anyone can use him to his strengths its zimmer. I don’t think he will ever be a superstar, to stiff in coverage, but hopefully he rocks a few receivers and I’ll be happy.
by JCompton41 on Aug 22, 2011 8:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If he ends Hines Ward's career I would be ok with that.
by TCfromDubVee on Aug 22, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i wish we had hines ward
I love watching him play! I just wish it wasn’t for the Steelers.
by JCompton41 on Aug 22, 2011 8:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hines Ward is not even the best WR on his own team
Kenneth Lewis Moore
by lightskin350 on Aug 22, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe not best receiver
But best I’d say best football player on his offense.
by JCompton41 on Aug 22, 2011 10:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if hes not the best reciever
than he cant be the best player on offence. the better receiver would be. I.E. mike wallace
But Ward is the better football player.
Better blocker, better knowledge of the scheme and defense.. he is a great football player.
i dont consider ward dirty at all.
by JCompton41 on Aug 23, 2011 12:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he plays receiver like a linebacker
I don’t see that as dirty. A crack back block on linebacker is not dirty its a hell of a block.
by JCompton41 on Aug 23, 2011 12:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The play on rivers was clean
not very nice but it was a clean shot. however he is still known around the league as a dirty player who tries to intentionally hurt other teams players
but he caught him in the front
i hate ward but technically it was legal rivers should have been paying better attention
agree
That’s on rivers though. If I were him I would be waiting for ward to come over the middle, and he would catch a James Harrison style tackle.
by JCompton41 on Aug 23, 2011 1:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i dont see him taking out knees
Or anything like that, most his blocks are clean but just brutal. I love his style of play and wish more receivers were like that. Just my opinion, I like the old school mentality of people like him.
by JCompton41 on Aug 23, 2011 1:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i agree
his style is a better style back when the NFL was a full contact league but i just cant bring myself to defend a steeler even if he deserves it
him and james harrison i can
Although Harrison has some plays you can’t help but call dirty.
by JCompton41 on Aug 23, 2011 1:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah but i love watching harrison play
thats just good old fashioned smack you in the mouth football
good fun to watch
and hurts the steelers i see no down side
for sure
Why can’t we have just one defender people are scared of? Someone needs to play with a mean streak.
by JCompton41 on Aug 23, 2011 1:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hopefully rey will now
that hes in the middle
hopefully
But nobody ever says, you cant run the ball at maualuga, or don’t catch a ball when maualuga is lurking. Hopefully he can be that. Or if Mays can be the hard hitting saftey he was at Usc and make receivers fear going over the middle.
by JCompton41 on Aug 23, 2011 1:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
possible pro bowl
if hes not snubbed for being a bengal like whitworth keeps getting
he looks more comfortable there
it fits him so much better
i do to
But that don’t mean he will be feared. I don’t care if he makes the probowl or anything, I just want him to be a mean, intimidating presence! He does seem to have a mean streak, unlike rivers and dahni who just seem way to nice.
by JCompton41 on Aug 23, 2011 1:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
agreed
i ran into him at a bar last summer not much bigger than me but just his demeanor seemed like a scary ass man
think great defenses they got that mean player
Ray Lewis, bart Scott, James Harrison, Brian urlacher, Rodney Harrison.
by JCompton41 on Aug 23, 2011 1:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
think if it was chad making the block on a lb instead of ward making it on rivers
It would be all praise.
by JCompton41 on Aug 23, 2011 12:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
1st of all
that would never happen, ask belicheat and second your right if ward was on my team…nothing but love, but he’s not, so he’s dirty
recievers and qbs both.
Imagine him and Moch both on a blitz package….
by Phil Francis on Aug 22, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Woo!!!!
It’s not that I think Mays is going to be a world beater, but I’m just happy that they are continuing to bring in talent at safety. At worst it adds depth to a really weak position.
wouldnt call him talent
he’s yet to show any instinct at S in an NFL game. college yes, nfl, no.
" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe
Love it. I wanted this kid out of the draft. Glad we got him on the cheap (hopefully)
Zimmer will put this kid to work. He’ll shine under Zim unlike his time in San Fran
Another new toy to play with on defense =)!
Say what you want about the organization, but each year they go after what they need to get! The defense got better today!!!
"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."
i dont know if they go better
It’s not like Mays is good. He might be under zimmer, but right now we have no reason to assume he’s going to be good. Remember harbaugh played agaisnt him while at Stanford, and still didn’t want him.
by JCompton41 on Aug 22, 2011 8:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Zim turned Roy Williams into a Pro Bowler
And I see Mays as a similar type player. Pure physical guy with limitations in coverage. I think he’s a good fit here.
i agree 100%
But I’m just not ready to say he made us better until he shows us something. I do think he’s a great fit, and if anyone can make.him good its zim. He’s better than tom nelson, so I’ll say he has improved our depth but that’s as far as I’ll go for now.
by JCompton41 on Aug 22, 2011 8:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hmm ... I prefer irrational optimism to patient, logical reasoning.
So I’m going to go ahead and pencil in Mays for the Hall of Fame right now. :D
haha i wish i were able to do that
I would be much happier person.
by JCompton41 on Aug 22, 2011 8:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
its rational optimism
I know the bengals suck, but I know one day they have to be better, they just have to.
by JCompton41 on Aug 22, 2011 9:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I mildly disagree with this statement.
There’s room—oh hell yes there’s room—but I think you’re overselling it a bit.
i disagree...
Safety has been an area of need for some years now and they keep getting guys off the street or low level draft picks to stop gap it. same with the o line. too many WRs drafted recently.
if only we were s smart as pickens, dillon, ambrose , ochocinco and palmer...
by jjvolt on Aug 22, 2011 9:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
R Nelson is looking like a very solid pick up.
We’ll see how he does so far, but he is worlds better here than he was in jax.
we have the best 49ers defense out there! now if we could only get Patrick Willis to come over here….
by ddbumpus on Aug 22, 2011 8:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well, shit happens when you play for the 21st century Bengals and Niners.
Miguel Cairo is so last week.
don't forget the Bills.
He went to the right teams in the wrong decade.
I'm going to assume they gave up a 5th since they get one from NE.
Mays is a prototypical Zimmer guy. Hit Hard and do nothing else.
reggie nelson is a great cover safety and an average tackler. nate is terrible in coverage and a hard hitter. nelson at FS, mays at SS. I can live with that.
by ddbumpus on Aug 22, 2011 8:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I dunno
Nelson was lighting it up the other night… tackling, covering… he and Rey Rey looked like the two best players on this team
i loved him in pee wee football!
So beat that!
by JCompton41 on Aug 22, 2011 10:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i like Nelson in the draft when he came out of Florida
i was excited when we got R Nelson last year for Davey Jones locker, or whatever we dumped on Jacksonville…..whoever it was.
I would be surprised if it's not conditional....
they put him on the trading block three weeks ago and no takers. My guess is it could potentially be a 5th if he plays alot, if he ends up mainly on special teams which you got to figure is where he’s going to be until he understands the system I would say it will end up being a 6th or 7th. Didn’t he come out as a junior ? NFL Countdown had him ranked the 22nd best player coming out of the draft. Has his stock fallen that much ? He’s only 23. He’s younger than alot of this year’s rookies. This was MB’s plan all along. Trick the 49ers into thinking they were going to sign Whitner so they acquire Mays at garage sale price. He’s a genus.
he stayed for his senior year.
by JCompton41 on Aug 22, 2011 9:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he is the one we were going to get then san fran picked in front of us, and we drafted rey am i correct. was that the same draft.
by bengalinflorida on Aug 22, 2011 8:41 PM EDT reply actions
its hard to think its only mays 2nd year
For some reason it seems longer.
by JCompton41 on Aug 22, 2011 8:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They talked about him the year before
But he stayed in school. He was talked about as an early first rounder at that time but slipped his last year in school.
Hopefully Zimmer can put him in roles that play to his strengths. He definitely has highlight reel potential…. for both sides. He’s got to be better than Our current # 4&5 safeties. Maybe #3 as well. He’s not a franchise safety but he’s an upgrade.
He got mad at his former coach
when Seattle picked Thomas in round 1 instead of Mays.
his rookie season had 2 parts
first half he played, ppl talked about him. 2nd half of the season, he was benched, and ppl forgot about him. until this off season when the 49ers made a move at S during FA, then ppl talked about mays again. makes his 1 year career seem longer than it is/was
" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe
If it doesn't work out at S zimmer could always move him to LB
by wonderboy89 on Aug 22, 2011 8:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
2010 draft round 2...
2 49 SF Taylor Mays S
2 50 KC Javier Arenas CB
2 51 MIN Toby Gerhart RB
2 52 PIT Jason Worilds DE
2 53 NE Jermaine Cunningham DE (Florida)
2 54 CIN Carlos Dunlap DE (Florida)
we have talent at saftey now
Reggie nelson, Taylor Mays, and Robert Sands. The crocker and gibrel as the vets.
by JCompton41 on Aug 22, 2011 8:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Robert Sands is like Taylor Mays light
Not as big, not as strong, not as fast, neither covers exceptionally well…
Hopefully it doesn’t stunt Reggie Nelson’s growth. I guess you never know what you are getting with Mays. Should be interesting anyway.
"Next season will be better" circa 1990
Twitter @Rcklarue
shouldnt
Mays shouldn’t play over nelson.
by JCompton41 on Aug 22, 2011 8:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
strong safety for mays. they’ll play together.
by ddbumpus on Aug 22, 2011 8:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He won't.
This isn’t just directed at you, it’s for everyone…
REGGIE NELSON PLAYS FS.
People get that confused so often and I have no clue why. He sucked at SS. He is built for FS and that’s what he plays. That’s what he will continue to play. Mays plays SS.
Miguel Cairo is so last week.
Mays won't even take Crocker's position...
but he is a great guy to develop and have on special teams.
i would love to see him rock some people on kick coverage
If a kick ever gets returned
by JCompton41 on Aug 22, 2011 9:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they need the nets from the arena league
where you can catch the kickoff off the net and then return it
Well...having a former Arena League Coach and Player
as the OC will surely help.
it's like little league football in the 3rd grade when they just start the teams off on the 20 yard line
except that it’s played by adults
NFL should steal another thing from the XFL
and do the SCRUM instead.
its getting out of hand
Did anyone see the raheem Moore hit on the bills receiver that was flagged? If not youtube it. It’s crap!
by JCompton41 on Aug 22, 2011 9:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i hear they are going to 2-hand tap starting next season
and bringing back the ‘in the grasp’ rule where the play if whistled dead once a defensive player touches an offensive player, and the stats like ‘yards after catch’ and ‘broken tackles’ will become obsolete.
i was in an adult flag league
That allowed more contact than the NFL!
by JCompton41 on Aug 22, 2011 9:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Love our society.
“THEY DON’T HIT HARD ENOUGH!” “Player has suffered a severe concussion” “What a wimp! I need some nachos”.
im ok with making it safe for players
But its going to far. Football is a contact sport, these players get paid a lot of money, because they put their bodies in danger for my entertainment. Once you can’t hit a receiver who is jumping for a ball, that’s taking away a lot.
by JCompton41 on Aug 22, 2011 9:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That was poor
It wasn’t entirely necessary but far from flagrant. He didn’t lower his head or anything. The WR was going down and I think Moore caught him higher than he wanted to. It looked like normal continuation. Unfortunately, people are going to get hurt in this game.
What was the deciding factor in the penalty? Out of bounds/late hit or defenseless ball carrier? That’s a tough one but if it’s the latter it signals that the DBs need to back off when another tackler is engaged. That changes the game and will change the game is the first tackler doesn’t wrap up the ball carrier.
by K312 on Aug 23, 2011 8:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if he can't beat crocker out
whats it say about his chances for an nfl career? and i agree, mays will have to work his ass off to beat crocker out and i dont think he will.
" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe
95% of the CJ folks wanted Mays last year in round 2
So no griping if Brown gave up too much for him.
But i sure hope we didn’t give up more than the 5th from NE.
being sure we didn’t overpay means we gave up a first rounder, knowing us.
by ddbumpus on Aug 22, 2011 8:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hilarious
Mays might be a head case, but the Bungles have Pac Man Jones to mentor him.
off topic
But why isn’t Carlos Dunlap starting for you guys?
The first Drauschak.
by birds'n'raiders on Aug 22, 2011 8:58 PM EDT reply actions
Also, what the hell are the Raiders going to do with TP?
I’ve heard they want him to switch to receiver? Can you confirm or deny this?
I think the Raiders drafted him simply because Al Davis has a reputation to keep up.
Miguel Cairo is so last week.
He'll be given a shot
at QB. If he is really, really, really horrendous, he’ll get moved around and be a Brad Smith kinda guy.
The first Drauschak.
by birds'n'raiders on Aug 22, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
i think they line up Pryor and Heyward-Bey together wide out
and they just run 40 yard dashes against the opposing CB’s all day :)
That could work if either one could catch the ball and Jason Campbell wasn't the one throwing it.
Miguel Cairo is so last week.
what? you mean that they actually be able to play football?
we’re talking about Al Davis. when do his draft picks have anything to do with a player’s ability to play football :-)
If Usain Bolt ever decided to think about an NFL career Al Davis would sign him to a 10 year, $300 million contract.
Miguel Cairo is so last week.
was it tampa that tried out that one track guy justin or something
by bengalinflorida on Aug 22, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Michael Bennett from the U of Wisc was like that
Great ncaa track star who tried football. I think he got drafted (Vikings?) but never panned out.
Injuries hurt him. But he also averaged over 5 yards a carry and 1000 ish yards. Could have been solid.
by ddbumpus on Aug 22, 2011 10:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they dont want a repeat of robet geathers
Huge year on sacks as a specialist, becomes full time de, and never comes close.
by JCompton41 on Aug 22, 2011 9:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
west coast defense
Zimmer wanted to move up to get mays, didn’t haappen but obviously likes the guy. Sounds like a good move. No presssure on the guy to start, he’s a big hitter—a projectile at warp 9, sands and mays, mays and sands…I like the ring of that.
by goffchile on Aug 22, 2011 9:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Mays has his problems in coverage, but he's an athletic freak.
I’m excited to see what he does.
Miguel Cairo is so last week.
What i dont understand is its his second year and san fran just gave up what happend.
by bengalinflorida on Aug 22, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Harbaugh wants HIS guys.
Complete change. Every coach likes to clear out people that don’t fit their style.
different coaches, different scheme. they also got madieu Williams and Donte whitner. two former bengals! (albeit for 19 minutes)
by ddbumpus on Aug 22, 2011 9:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
imagine Mays coming around the blindside on a blitz
I’m excited to see what creative ways Zim can use this guy
dear God
Moch (once he gets back,) Dunlap, MJ, Atkins and Mays are all available for pass rushing situations.
Miguel Cairo is so last week.
i guess that's the plan
if we can’t cover, we’ll blitz the crap out of them so they don’t have time to throw to the guys we can’t cover. it’s worth a shot :-)
But with seriously good run support from the secondary.
Plus, Ed Reed is overrated as a coverage safety. He’s one of the best ball-hawkers of all time, but I know a lot of Ravens fans who complained about how often he got beat by double moves.
Andy Dalton: An American Hero
by Pardon_My_French on Aug 23, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
and unlike previous years
that actually has worked.
reggie can get in on some of that too if he wants.
it was thought that the bears would offer a third round pick. entirely speculation though. I’m sure hoping we didn’t give up too much.
espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/6877164/sources-chicago-bears-pursuit-san-francisco-49ers-taylor-mays-dead
by ddbumpus on Aug 22, 2011 9:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
reedy said
We now have half of the nfls 24th ranked pass defense.
by JCompton41 on Aug 22, 2011 9:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i dont think its that bad though
Considering clements is our 2nd corner and Mays has zimmer, and is not being counted on, so anything be does bring is just extra.
by JCompton41 on Aug 23, 2011 1:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i dont think so
Unless Jones is lights out. Maybe in spots where we need someone to cover speed, but I don’t think as a full time starter. If they thought that they wouldnt have brought in clements, they would have went after a cheaper fill in until Jones was healthy.
by JCompton41 on Aug 23, 2011 2:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
jones showed flashes last season
hard to say, could guess its possible for jones to start at #3 on the depth moving up to starter to cover an injury and possibly becoming #2 again if he shows the same flashes he did last season.
" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe
I like jones as the nickel back
I think he’s better able to make big plays if he’s working in support.
by K312 on Aug 23, 2011 12:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I like jones as the nickel back
I think he’s better able to make big plays if he’s working in support.
by K312 on Aug 23, 2011 12:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Some dude at Niner Nation said he wished they could have done Carson and a third for Mays and a second.
I’d pretty much be all over that.
Miguel Cairo is so last week.
That's too damn logical.
Also! First home game for the Bengals this year? Against SF. They might have sold that one out.
Taylor Mays
Positives:
+Freak Athlete
+Very Aggressive
+Makes Great Plays
Negatives:
+Likes to Drill people w/his shoulder instead of tackle them – does not wrap up!
+Will wiff on tackling people
+Can get lost in coverage
Best use: SS on run support rushing at the RB or blitzing
Worst use: Coverage in passing downs
Only problem i see is that in the 1st 2 preseason games we suck at pass coverage but are pretty stout against the run. After this move, we still pretty much suck at covering people. But nobody will run against us now. We’ll give up 30 rushing yards and 400 passing yards every game :-)
think of it this way
how many 1st or second rounders on d now? howard=2, lawson=1, baby rey=2, hall=1, jones=1, nelson=1, and mays=2…if we could only upgrade our d-line…wait, already good, almost forgot rivers
dunlap, peko also top 2 rounds. Johnson was a 3rd rounder. you also can’t forget pac man.
by ddbumpus on Aug 22, 2011 9:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's sort of our thing.
Reclaim talented first rounders that no one wants anymore for various reasons (often legal) and have Zim and co. teach them to be good again. It makes for a pretty good defense.
Miguel Cairo is so last week.
How can we have Def Backs consisting of:
CB
Round 1 L Hall
Round 1 N Clements
Round 1 A Jones
Safety
Round 2 T Mays
Round 1 R Nelson
But yet not cover anybody?
You really can’t take people much higher than round 1.
wasnt crocker a 3rd rounder?
Still a kinda high pick too.
by JCompton41 on Aug 22, 2011 9:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
is this trade legit or another Whitner hoax?
there is nothing on yahoo, cbssports, bengals site, or nfl.com about it.
how did this happen mike brown should be sleeping now with his age.
by bengalinflorida on Aug 22, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Only problem with Mays is if you watch any of his USC highlights on youtube is that he tackles with a forearm shiver, and not by wrapping people up – unless he’s chasing them from behind
so far only nbc is still the only one reporting it
but maybe it’s legit if Maualuga is commenting on it?
@maualuga58
Rey Maualuga Just added another Trojan to the @Bengals roster. Welcome to the Nati Taylor Mays!
1 hour ago via TweetCaster for Android
As a Niners fan...im disappointed they would let him go after 1 year!
And he only started a few games, and in his first start had a hell of a game and even a touchdown off special teams
Hope we get at least some value, but knowing the niners FO, a 6th or 7th is to be expected..
Found this interesting...49ers Def-Coord comments after preseason game
(regarding S Reggie Smith) “He’s definitely in the mix there for us at the safety position. We feel good with [S Donte] Whitner, him, [S Dashon] Goldson, [S Madieu] Williams, and [S C.J.] Spillman. We feel like we’ve got five safeties there that can play in the NFL. Some of them have great special teams value over the others, so if we have to keep four, that will be a hard decision. If we keep five, I think they will all be different pieces that we will use during the season.”
They don’t even list Mays as one of their top 5 safeties "who can play in the NFL.
That being said, i’m guessing we got him on the cheap? Or at least i’m hoping.
spillman is garbage, I think mays wanted a chance to start and niners were not going to give it to him so he asked for a trade. mays is clearly better than 2 of those 5 and may end up being better than all of them
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 23, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Orein Harris for Mays
hey guys, do the Bengals still have Orien Harris? Maybe we gave the 49ers him for Mays just like how we got Brian Leonard :P
we got him back then dumped him
by DEWITT330 on Aug 22, 2011 10:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
as bad as M Brown is...he seems to make some decent trades
FS Reggie Nelson for a practice squad CB
backup RB Brian Leonard for a DT who was going to get cut
QB Ryan Fitzpatrick for a 7th (which turned out to be the year we ended up needing Fitz because Carson got hurt)
backup SS Taylor Mays for a low pick (i’m hoping a low pick)
Now if he can just dump Carson for something. Heck, trade Carson Palmer and throw in lil’ bro in for free.
It seems he has his moments with the bargain bin. There’s plenty of second chances, as most players will only come here as a second choice.
by ddbumpus on Aug 22, 2011 10:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
im late to this party but
Im excited. Whenever you give a coach what he wants you got to expect that he has a plan. Just hope were playing chess and not checkers
by DEWITT330 on Aug 22, 2011 10:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If you are a true BENGAL fan like i am
Then you should be thanking the football gods for this.
Mays is the perfect fit for this defense and this division. If you want to beat the Ravens and the “Bitchberg” Steelers, you have to stop Rice and Mendenhal because their offense runs through them.
I don’t care about Mays and his rep as a poor pass defender because he is an upgrade over Crocker and Company.
NOW LETS JUST HOPE THIS TRADE GOES THROUGH
Kenneth Lewis Moore
But Mays fits a Bengals’ defense that needs its safeties to be able to play both strong and free. They find a guy that roamed center field at USC with a big body intriguing and it’s believed they’ll try to get him out there for Thursday’s game at Paul Brown Stadium against the Panthers after what would be only two practices.
Love the pickup
defense keeps getting younger and more athletic. i think he will be better in pass coverage because he wont necessarily be matched man to man as much as he was in san fran. that is our what howard and lawson are for
I’m guessing they gave up a 4th rd pick for Mays
by Bengalsredsvictim on Aug 22, 2011 10:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I doubt it.
Probably a conditional pick starting with a 6th rounder. Chad got a 5th remember.
by BENGALS69 on Aug 22, 2011 10:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
which is why
I honestly believe they passed on Pryor, you can’t afford to lose too many picks in 1 year
Some 49er housekeeping
Buyer beware though. So young and gifted. Zimmer is a damned fine coach so maybe he can find what Harbough and Singletary couldn’t.
by BENGALS69 on Aug 22, 2011 10:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Possible linebacker
I would like to see Taylor add a few pounds and see him as a outside backer. I think he would fit nicely.
by StillmissinOdell on Aug 22, 2011 10:48 PM EDT reply actions
no!!!
we NEED him at safety, think bigger more athletic Roy Williams!!! besides as of right now we’re loaded at linebacker
i would like to see him shed a nfl lb at the point of atack. not sure about that
But won’t sell him short either
by DEWITT330 on Aug 22, 2011 10:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not sold
I know its early but I’m not sold on Howard yet. Manny has caught on a lot quicker. I have never been a Rivers fan. He plays too soft for his size. I’m still waitin for him to pop Hines one for that cheap shot, he just don’t have the nastiness.
by StillmissinOdell on Aug 22, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
Alot of good articles tonight without any post! Just goes to show how intrigued we are with this acquisition. Can’t believe I ever lived without this blog. Thanks to everyone that works at this site like its a 9 to 5
by DEWITT330 on Aug 22, 2011 11:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
love this move
The guy has only been in the NFL for one year and the Niners are already giving up on him? Zimmer is one heck of a coach, and I don’t doubt he’ll develop this kid into something special.
straight from stripe hype
Rumored Undisclosed pick is valued at being a 4th round 2012 Draft pick. It could conditionally be bumped up unto being a 3rd round pick if Mays were to play 80% of the defensive snaps this season
So we play him 79% of the snaps :)
by Oregonbengalsfan on Aug 23, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
But no really
I like this signing too. Reggie Nelson is showing something here that he never showed in Jacksonville, so as people have mentioned above, Zimmer is bound to get the same results out of Mays
by Oregonbengalsfan on Aug 23, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm and the destruction started 20 years ago...
His first mistake was thinking.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Aug 23, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to be praying she realizes so
by Oregonbengalsfan on Aug 23, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Awesome...
as long as they are held in Denver
by Oregonbengalsfan on Aug 23, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I know there were people who wanted it to be a 6th or 7th rounder
but I think a fourth round pick is a great value for a guy who was a second round pick just one year ago — even if he just ends up being a special teams player and a solid backup.
by Paul Cannon on Aug 23, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
i wouldnt hate a 4th rounder but
The guy was probably going to be cut if not traded.
by JCompton41 on Aug 23, 2011 12:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and wouldve signed elsewhere
But of he’s going to get cuz wouldn’t a 6th get him?
by JCompton41 on Aug 23, 2011 12:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
4th rounder is pushing it, but
I still like it. Either they gave up too much or Zimmer really thinks this kid has got what it takes to be great. And I’d bet on the latter being MB is pretty cheap. Sounds like Zimmer has really got MB’s ear since losing JJ.
He's probably twisting his ear saying
You ARE going to do this
by Oregonbengalsfan on Aug 23, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Hobson tweeted that Mays is on a red eye to Cincy tonight
and has physical tomorrow morning to finalize trade.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Aug 23, 2011 12:17 AM EDT reply actions
As long as he doesn't show up at 391 lbs.
They should be good to go.
But if he did...
another O-line project?
Sorry bad joke
by Oregonbengalsfan on Aug 23, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
390lbs it is lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 23, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
On another note
any of you on twitter and follow Joe Reedy? He does 20 questions in the evening. I thought this one was great.
3. RT GregWiesemann "joereedy: OK, let’s do 20 questions" am I crazy to say Bengals go 10-6 this season?>Whatever drugs you’re on, I want
While I am optimistic that we won’t be drafting Luck next year, I don’t have much hope for a season like 10-6. Anything is possible but not likely. Anyway, just wanted to share a laugh.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Aug 23, 2011 12:35 AM EDT reply actions
side note
has anyone heard about the kids in the supplemental draft not taken, I know Pryor was the only one drafted
Caleb King
georgias RB signed with the Vikes
macadoo
the de from N.C. signed with the ravens
I would love to see
the bengals give him a shot. Hell if they wanna give bennett a chance I deserve a shot for that matter. But i think we should bring him in for a look
they'll be fine
once Adam Jones gets back, Bennet is not gonna make the team and Tom Nelson should be cut too, but I can’t figure why they haven’t brought back Chinny
I dont think chinny wants to come back yet
he said he wants to heal his injury before even attempting to sign with a team so im guessing hes just not ready to begin talks yet. I could be wrong but id like to see him back as well.
he wont now
With gibrel, crocker, Mays, sands, nelson that’s the 5 safteys.
by JCompton41 on Aug 23, 2011 1:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
not crocker
and it would be pointless to switch one safety coming of injury for another safety coming off injury
crockers very underrated
He’s played well when healthy.
by JCompton41 on Aug 23, 2011 1:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
gibrel is more coverage
Chinny is like Mays and sands as a run stopper. Gibrel gives us a vet that can cover a little bit more.
by JCompton41 on Aug 23, 2011 1:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
jones needs to hurry
even thugh its preseason i just cringe everytime i see bennett attempt to make a play. hes the defensive version of nate livings
Now all that's left is trading Palmer.
Yeah, I know…enough is enough. But I’d call it one heck of an offseason if that were to happen. At this point we know Carson will never play for the Bengals again. So maybe MB is just holding out a little so Carson doesn’t have any time to get adjusted to a new team with a different system (Miami). Miami is looking pretty desperate for a QB and might still be willing to offer a couple draft picks for Carson. Just sayin. Too hopeful? Most likely.
even with a restructured deal...
that’s alot of money to pay a day to start a couple games and sit him. Palmer’s best bet is to hope someone loses a starter pretty soon and don’t have backup options.
Carson's best hope
is that MB unsticks his head out of his ass.
by TCfromDubVee on Aug 23, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
wait till next offseason
They have no reason to trade him before then.
by JCompton41 on Aug 23, 2011 12:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
plenty of reason
his value for one. There are a few good QBs in next year’s draft that will eliminate need for some teams unlike this year where teams like Miami, Oakland, Seattle still have need for a QB. And let’s not forget headache of hearing “he said this” and having him somehow still remain a topic of conversation that no one wants. Gruden was asked just the other day if he thought CP was coming back. Bengals have to move on, but if he’s still out there in limbo then it will always be a distracting topic.
I like how we are putting the usc defense back together
rivers reyrey mays rucker (even though he was a little before them). Mays should do better here because he knows how to play with rey and keith. Plus he knows how to play with nate and manny
Mays seems like a good kid with a solid attitude, hard working and all that too.
Hope he works out for you all… and Manny.
Clements should worry you though against certain types of WR’s. If teams have more than one speedster, Zimmer better take him completely off the field for those plays; even if it is some kind of zone. I would bet my last dollar that he will frustrate you in some games. Consistency in coverage has been an issue because of age and loss of speed. He will own the slower WR’s though.
Lord knows you all have given up some pretty valuable players to us over recent years, so I hope it all works out…Except against us early on ;)
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Like the signing for a couple of reasons
1. Nelson was a beast and an all-pro with the Jags when he was allowed to roam and pick off passes. Mays is a beast against the run, giving Zimmer that run stuffing SS while allowing his FS to roam.
2. Mays could play OLB in passing situations, giving us more speed and pass rushing up front while still having someone who can jam a TE.
3. Mays allows the Bengals to be able to use Crocker at nickle in certain situations.
4. Mays gives us quality depth, which is something we have lacked over the years at a position where we can’t seem to keep guys healthy.
5. It allows us to send Bennett packing for the UFL, b/c frankly, Crocker is a better CB than Bennett.
6. The Bengals secondary was fun to watch when David Fulcher was coming up to destroy people. Now we have a guy in that same mold with arguable more athletic ability.
7. WR’s don’t like to get hit when coming across the middle and now we have 2 guys (Rey and Mays) who will knock their head off. That causes alligator arms and makes WR’s timid. We haven’t had that in awhile.
As much as I would like to see Bennett go, I think he still hangs around until Jones is back on the field and shows he is healthy. I would expect to see Gibril Wilson cut b/c of this move.
Good points all around.
We needed this help at the D back, so getting a hard-hittin safety is good news.
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agree...
…the good news is he isn’t pressed into and every down starter, we can use him for his talents, and still develop him. I don’t know about the whole OLB thing, but using him on the safety blitz in passing situations makes a ton of sense.
Reggie Nelson can lay the wood too..
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by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Aug 23, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
If it's a conditional 4th round pick then this was a really good move.
I was assuming we gave up the extra 3rd rounder we got for Chad, which this would I guess turn into if he plays the snaps – but I doubt he’ll get 80% of the snaps. I don’t think anyone gets 80% of the snaps in Zimmer’s defense except maybe the MLB.
Still, you have to be a little wary of why Harbaugh was so quick to dump him. He was a borderline 1st round pick last year. What were they expecting to see in one year of limited playing time? Makes me think he might have been a loafer in practice. Still, you’d think he’d be happy to team back up with Rey and Rivers. If anyone can get him fired up you’d think it would be Rey. Plus if he was slacking off this would be a pretty good wake up call…no one wants to be traded to the Bengals. If he comes around and plays to his potential then we have our SS of the future and basically got him for free. Can’t complain about that.
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