Bengals Offensive Line Offers A Couple Of The League's Best
My arguments for them haven't always been heeded. There's reasons for it, I suppose. Age. Watching a play where he loses a block that leads to a quarterback sack and then using that one play as a model of his overall playing career tends to be more widespread than not. That's a reasonable point of view, right? Though we do admit that if you notice the play of an offensive line, most likely it's the result of a bad play. After all these guys are the unsung heroes of football. There is no pass without the wide-base of a nimble offensive lineman opening passing lanes and protecting his quarterback. There is no run without the grunting and mauling of men engineered from birth with a bad temperament and a bulldozer mentality.
Without these guys, there is no football.
Now unless you're actively paying attention to them, they might go unnoticed if there's no quarterback sack or tackles for loss in the backfield. Simply put, most people fail to praise the work of an offensive line that dominates, instead praising the play of the explosive skill players. But if a quarterback holds onto the ball far too long or a running back spends most of his time hesitating in the backfield, the offensive line will often be blamed for failures that might not be their faults. If a running back fails to pickup a blitz, that's another mark against the offensive line. Fair. No. Reality, yes.
Did you know that four of the 25 quarterback sacks allowed by the Bengals in 2010 were given up by tight ends and running backs?
Cincinnati hasn't been faced with that as much as other teams. Carson Palmer was known as one of the better quarterbacks getting rid of the football before pressure got to him. And Cedric Benson, though considered a patient runner, is also instinctual finding the lane that the line opened. There wasn't so much hesitation as there is Jedi-like patience (which sometimes bites him in his soft-carrying hands that leads to fumbles).
But let's be honest. The Bengals have a couple of offensive linemen that are damn good and deserve their recognition from fans. First is Andrew Whitworth, who ranked as the league's eighth best offensive tackle according to Scouts, Inc, writing:
Whitworth has excellent size, strength and toughness with average athleticism. He has a great feel for angles and how to gain leverage with proper hand use and body positioning.
He has good strength as a run blocker at the point of attack and is able to anchor well versus powerful bull rushers. He lacks great lateral agility and quickness versus quick counter moves.
Andre Smith (62nd), Anthony Collins (71st) and Dennis Roland (72nd) all ranked inside the top-100 according to Scout, Inc's arbitrary scoring system that looks more like Madden than complex calculations that are widely known and understood.
Bengals center Kyle Cook ranks as the league's 25th best center, though Pro Football Focus graded him as the 12th best center after last season. Scouts Inc. ranked Bengals offensive guard Bobbie Williams 13th, though they largely ripped into him.
Williams is a wide-bodied guard with a lot of starting experience who gets by on his size, natural power and effort. But Williams is a limited athlete and no longer offers any upside.
He too often loses leverage. Williams also is not light on his feet and can be sloppy with his steps at times. His punch is powerful, and he has the ability to bury his opponent in the run game if he wins the initial battle.
At the same time Pro Football Focus graded Williams as the league's second-best right guard and fifth-best overall. Max Jean-Gilles (44th), Nate Livings (49th) all ranked inside the top-50.
Personally I believe that the Bengals have one of the league's best offensive tackles (Whitworth) and guards (Williams) with rising talents in Kyle Cook, Andre Smith (let's hope at least) and Clint Boling.
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I guess everyone has a different perspective. Most places you read call Whitworth horrible….. I guess they just don’t want to give ANY Bengals ANY credit. It’s ashame. I am with you I think we have a fairly decent group, I would love to see some upgrades but these guys can make holes for the run game when they choose too.
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Did you know that four of the 25 quarterback sacks allowed by the Bengals in 2010 were given up by tight ends and running backs?
No I didn’t but that still leaves 21 given up by the line…
Max Jean-Gilles (44th), Nate Livings (49th), Dennis Roland (72nd)
You have got to be kidding me!
by Oregonbengalsfan on Aug 29, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions
i didnt realize the rest of the NFL OL was that bad.....
but im all fairness.. 72nd best tackle when only 64 are starters and most backups dont see playing time is not much to brag on he probly ranks that high because he has actually played in games.
by Bengalsfan024 on Aug 29, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that means 72nd best offensive lineman - not just tackle
which makes this ridiculous
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
Josh
I would be interested in knowing how this line compared to ’09. Last season we lost our identity as a running team and I think that greatly added to the sack total as well as the ratings.
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RE:
IMHO, it’s the same line; they’ve always been a stronger group running the football. Problem was that the team (either forced due to a deficit or principle changes in philosophy) decided to pass the football 113 times more than they did in 2009.
At the same time, the sacks allowed in 2009 were greater.
The Bengals allowed a quarterback sack in one out of every 28.1 attempted passes in 2010; they allowed a quarterback sack once out of every 19.9 attempted passes in 2009. Now you could say that the line was better, but that could be the result of Palmer just releasing the pass quicker — which he did. According to one study (can’t remember where), Palmer was one of the best QBs in the league getting rid of the football quickly (not always to our receivers though).
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by Josh Kirkendall on Aug 29, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
"not always to our receivers though"
The key element heh
by Oregonbengalsfan on Aug 29, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks
More sacks in 2009, now that is something I would never have guessed. Good article.
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I've only looked in 1 place but NFL.com shows 26 sacks for each of 2009 and 2010
Although he had, per nfl.com, 120 more pass attempts in 2010, 7 more intereptions, and 1 more lost fumble, and no rushing TDs with a drop from 2.4 ypc to 1.6 ypc when forced to scramble on his own.
Looking at that, you could say the line was a bit better in 2010. At least for the pass as Josh pointed out:
The Bengals allowed a quarterback sack in one out of every 28.1 attempted passes in 2010; they allowed a quarterback sack once out of every 19.9 attempted passes in 2009.
with more attempts in 2010 than in 2009. That’d be 5.5% of the passing attempts in 2009 ended with sacks and 4.4% of the passing attempts in 2010 (according to nfl.com stats), which again shows a bit of improvement. The run blocking seemed to not be as good. Probably due to the complete switch in offensive philosophy.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Aug 29, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
And who said math ain't fun?
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by Josh Kirkendall on Aug 29, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Bottom Line
Our line has progressively gotten better since the beginning of preseason, if Smith can prove his draft pack worth….We might have a good line, I have watched the tape on Whit…guy is good, most of the articles against him are from the stigmatized writers of today’s sport, where the Pats do everything right, and the Bengals do everything wrong. Same 5 teams are the greatest and same 5 must win the Superbowl today to get out of the negativity. FOR F——-s sake, we swept and won the division in 09…..how easily we all forget….
One more thing
I have watched all of the rookie QBs this year so far and I have to say, we may have done well with Dalton. Kid doesn’t look too bad, the key to Dalton in my opinion is he is humble and confident…I haven’t seen him get scared crazy legs like Palmer did on every play…..Kid looks poised……jus sayin
I don't buy this
Bobbie Williams is only a shade of what he used to be and is definitely not the 13th best current offensive lineman in the NFL – nor is he the the second best RG. In fact, I don’t believe he’s the best guard on the Bengals right now. And Roland at 72??? Are they taking crazy pills? Only lineman who is underrated according to this (besides possibly Whitworth) is Cook.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
"Bobbie Williams is only a shade of what he used to be"
Now Williams presents a pretty big shade, so his decrease will take time, right?
I can no more change your belief that Williams is terrible than a man of god to accept the Big Bang Theory is the start of all life. But really. Are you confident to say that you’ve seen every guard in the NFL to claim that he’s NOT the 13th best? Of course not… but…
In fact, I don’t believe he’s the best guard on the Bengals right now.
Who is? If you say Livings, I may have to put you in witness protection from the members here.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Aug 29, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
and I didn't say Williams is terrible
but he is no longer an elite offensive lineman (which I definitely agree he used to be), in fact, I’d say he is now below par.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
RE:
But he hasn’t played a single down in the NFL yet. How can you already rate him above Williams? Intuition?
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by Josh Kirkendall on Aug 29, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Carson Palmer was known as one of the better quarterbacks getting rid of the football before pressure got to him.
It’s easy to get rid of the ball quickly when you stare down one intended receiver.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
RE:
Yea, that’s kind of the joke we made at the time.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Aug 29, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions

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