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Editor's Note: This post is from one of our readers, Throw the ball, who went to Georgetown to watch the Bengals practice on August 2. He was nice enough to make two videos for us to watch, put them in a fan post and tell us who was impressive and who wasn't. Enjoy.

Hey guys,

As promised I took some video from last night's training camp session.  I got around 35 minutes of footage but cut it down to ~ 20 minutes.  I forgot my tripod so you'll have to deal with some blair witch type shakiness which I apologize for.

I concentrated almost exclusively on the offense for this video.  There is almost always multiple drills going on when at camp and it's the easiest one to follow.

I recommend watching in HD 

Video #1

Video #2

I came to camp with some general expectations for certain players. 

Personal Impressions after the jump

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Impressed By:

AJ Green more than lived up to his #4 overall pick.  He was the most impressive receiver out on the field yesterday.  He didn't make any circus catches but he just caught everything.  After dealing with "Alligator Arms Owens" last season it's a breath of fresh air.

Andre Smith was in pretty good shape.  He didn't have the giant belly anymore and actually looked a good deal smaller than big Bobbie Williams. Worked with Whit on the sidelines which was great to see.

Jerome Simpson continues to impress.  Despite not having the hands of Green he is a better athlete. Two of the three really impressive catches at camp belonged to Jerome.

Andre Caldwell quietly had a good day.  Despite having some issues with bump and run coverage, when able to use his speed he was very effective, and burned Reggie Nelson bad on a slant.

Ryan Whalen was the surprise of camp for me.  This kid NEEDS to be on the team if for nothing other than insurance if Jordan Shipley goes down.  He made some great grabs, and his route running is extremely impressive.  He actually outshined Jordan all day.

Jermaine Gresham looked very good.  Most importantly he looked strong.  Broke out of several arm tackles for extra yardage.  I'm expecting big things from Gresham this year.

Chase Coffman looked A LOT bigger.  I think he's dedicated himself to putting on some muscle.  Better route runner and catcher than Gresham.  Don't think he dropped a catchable ball once.  Hope to see him on the field in 2 TE sets.

Not Impressed:

Andy Dalton struggled most of the day.  If I had to pick a rookie from recent years to compare him to it would be... Brady Quinn.  Dalton took few chances and held on to the ball for far too long.  He was picked off a couple of times and made some very poor throws.  Most of his completions were check downs.  Ball tends to sail on him on anything further than 25 yards.

The Fever.... Where to start.  Dan is not an NFL QB IMO.  His arm is a good deal stronger than Dalton's and his deep balls looked better but his decision making is very poor.  Also didn't look all that mobile for setting those records in college.

Jamere Holland struggled to catch the ball most of the day.  Doubt he makes it past the first couple cuts.

Andrew Hawkins looked slow and tended to round off his routes.  Caught the ball rather well but I think he lacks the polish or explosiveness to be a difference maker.

Leon Hall got burned by AJ Green for most of camp.  I'm not sure if this is a sign that he didn't take the offseason seriously or if Green is already that good.  Lets pray it's the latter.

Jordan Shipley looked rusty.  I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since he was good last year, but Whalen out performed him for most of the day.

I'm planning on going back down later this week.  If you guys enjoy this I'll make another one and this time remember a tripod :D

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors.

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Thanks for this.

I’ve been skeptical about Leon Hall for a couple of years now. He can’t cover top tier WR’s.

What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.

by jimbasa on Aug 3, 2011 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Leon Hall, but...

JoJo could very well have made Hall look better than he is. I still think he’s good, but it’s scary to think that what was once our strongest piece on defense is now our weakest (and in Zimmer’s scheme that means the blitz packages are going to be severly reduced). It’s going to be interesting to see what Zimmer comes up with this year. It already looks like he knows he needs better coverage LBs than he does blitzing and run stuffing backers.

by M Shop on Aug 3, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

ive heard that Leon Hall ususally starts camp slowly... He was getting CRUSHED bu AJ Green, but hopefully it's nothing to worry about

"You gotta look good. Look good, you play good. Play good, pay good. Pay good, live good. Live good, y'know, eat good. Die good." - Deion Sanders

by BeWarned on Aug 3, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

My analysis is based on regular season games not on training camps.

What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.

by jimbasa on Aug 4, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol so dont comment on a training camp video then

"You gotta look good. Look good, you play good. Play good, pay good. Pay good, live good. Live good, y'know, eat good. Die good." - Deion Sanders

by BeWarned on Aug 4, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

What he meant was

he was basing his original criticism of Hall on regular season results. This camp criticism is new and only supports his theory that Hal will struggle against great WRs.

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by Pardon_My_French on Aug 4, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I know exactly what he meant.
Thanks for this. I’ve been skeptical about Leon Hall for a couple of years now. He can’t cover top tier WR’s.

which suggests Hall’s lack or performance in training camp as more evidence for his theory. and I merely added another voice on his suffering in training camp.

Original opinion or not, I was hardly even disagreeing with it.

"You gotta look good. Look good, you play good. Play good, pay good. Pay good, live good. Live good, y'know, eat good. Die good." - Deion Sanders

by BeWarned on Aug 4, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

This is great. And I especially enjoy your breakdown of individual players. Keep ’em coming.

by M Shop on Aug 3, 2011 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Good stuff

I was thinking to myself…man Reggie is all over the place. As soon as I thought that he decleated that TE ha ha. I also think Gresh looked beastly too.

by ASco05 on Aug 3, 2011 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah footage is great. If you could do another, would be greatly appreciated. rec'd

At first I expected a link to the bengals.com vids and I was like ’oh, thanks…"

"You gotta look good. Look good, you play good. Play good, pay good. Pay good, live good. Live good, y'know, eat good. Die good." - Deion Sanders

by BeWarned on Aug 3, 2011 9:32 PM EDT reply actions  

and on Dalton, this was the first time Zimmer through blitzes at him. so hopefully he doesn't continue to look like Brady Quinn haha

"You gotta look good. Look good, you play good. Play good, pay good. Pay good, live good. Live good, y'know, eat good. Die good." - Deion Sanders

by BeWarned on Aug 3, 2011 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

quinn is the first guy that jumped to my mind

Whenever I’d see Quinn play it wad very similar. Lots of check downs and poor deep throws.

by Throw the ball on Aug 4, 2011 12:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Great vids Throw

Just curious how big the crowds were at camp? I’m going down today and can’t imagine they are anywhere near what they were last year with the Ochocinco, T.O. circus in town.

by n8dogg on Aug 4, 2011 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Very small

Last year both sides were packed to the brim. I’m going down again tonight as well. Found my tripod :D

by Throw the ball on Aug 4, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just got back and you were right. Small crowd

I saw mike brown seated in his open air perch above the field and walked right below him. I had a football in my hand and felt the strong urge to hurl it as his face. Wish I could report that I actually threw it. It would have been an act worthy of sainthood.

by n8dogg on Aug 5, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you work for the Patriots??

Kidding aside, thanks for providing these videos, “Throw”. Excellent stuff.

One player that you identified as being impressed with that is encouraging is Chase Coffman. I figure Jay Gruden’s WC offense will include a myriad of different formations with different personnel, and I have faith Jay will be able to properly utilize Cbase’s talents. Coffman was a receiving machine at Mizzou (I know it was a spread offense and the numbers were inflated because of that, but he still is a natural and more than sound pass catcher). Plus, considering that AD will likely have a lot of growing pains this season, it’ll be nice to know he has another 6’5"-plus security blanket of a TE. Gresham and Coffman could be pivotal to AD’s confidence and overall development.

Thanks, again, for the videos.

by The_Black_Stripes on Aug 4, 2011 10:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Coffman may have the best hands on the team besides Green.

He’s incredibly impressive. Good leaping ability for a 6’5" ~250 pounder as well.

by Throw the ball on Aug 4, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's great news.

A project actually paying off? For the Bengals? Crazy!

Sure. Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson

by UpStateMike on Aug 5, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

He still has trouble throwing around his weight BUT

He doesn’t even look like the same kid from Hard Knocks… and that’s a good thing.

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by Throw the ball on Aug 5, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good Lord.

That hit Reggie made was awesome. After hearing about all his tackling issues I thought he’d be someone who shies away from contact. From watching him last year and now in training camp, I was completely wrong. He’s extremely physical, and his problem is wrapping up. And from what he’s shown this year it seems like that problem is being solved. Getting him for David Jones straight up was a steal and I’m really excited to see him start a full season at FS.

Reggie Nelson Fan Club (which is me and Doc so far) unite!

Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see?
Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.

by sexsalad on Aug 4, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes, there's always room.

Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see?
Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.

by sexsalad on Aug 4, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

UNITE!

Gotta dig up a Reggie Nelson avatar I like.

by Doc Scratch on Aug 4, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

More film please!

It’s nice to see the team when you can come to traning camp – just get the impressions with uor own eyes!

Love Green and Gresham, some very big nasty dudes to cover for opponents D’s

by Christian Gaarde Nielsen on Aug 4, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Before I watch,

I want to thank you for this. For some of us outside of Cincinnati, this is prime time TV stuff!

by K312 on Aug 4, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks dude, really appreciate this stuff.

720p and good editing is gravy.

Dalton looks troubling. Funny that you took this video because I kept shouting “THROW THE BALL”.. in my head anyways. He still has 4 preseason games and a month of camp but his progression is definitely taking some time. He’s not making his reads and if the distance is out of his comfort zone he forces it. Not much zip on the intermediate stuff either.

by Cry on Aug 4, 2011 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

No he really "lofts" the ball

My wife (who I’m talking to from time to time in the video) doesn’t like him at all. She said he looks like he’s terrified back there. He made one great throw to Jerome, but there really wasn’t much else to talk about.

by Throw the ball on Aug 4, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I too noticed the ‘loft’ pass.. hopefully he gets a bit more zip on it.

Give pizza chants.

by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Aug 4, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just one practice guys...

with no offseason. Lets let the guy develop before we jump off the bandwagon

by The Dealio on Aug 5, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've said from the beginning that adjusting physically will be just as important for him as adjusting mentally.

I can’t stress enough that he played in the Mountain West. He’s not used to 270 pound edge rushers who run 4.5 40s. He’s used to having some room for mistakes on out routes because he isn’t used to the entire opposing secondary having blazing speed and great instincts. He could float the ball out there and get away with it often in college.

Adjusting from a conference like the SEC to the NFL is extremely difficult. Adjusting from the Mountain West to the NFL is going to take a while.

Miguel Cairo is so last week.

by sexsalad on Aug 5, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly why i think we should start gradkowski

Dalton needs time. I don’t think we should throw him to the wolves of the afcn.

by JCompton41 on Aug 5, 2011 2:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

But we wouldn't have to

Our first divisional matchup is in week 8 or something. We start off against Cleveland, Denver, SF (roughly), so he’d get a chance to warm up a bit against mediocre teams, though SF’s defense isn’t bad.

Home of the original Kitten Mittens.

by Pardon_My_French on Aug 5, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is a good point.

I guess we will see how he plays through camp. I hope Daltons actually better that Grad through camp, but if not hopefully they start Gradkowski and let Dalton sit.

by JCompton41 on Aug 5, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

ooh, bold statement

Jordan hasnt gotten many TC snaps so far but we’ll see were he ends up. I like what he did in the offseason

"You gotta look good. Look good, you play good. Play good, pay good. Pay good, live good. Live good, y'know, eat good. Die good." - Deion Sanders

by BeWarned on Aug 6, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

Good point. I guess my thinking was that he won’t face a really good defense until the middle of the year. Denver will be a good test, since it has a great pass rush and a good secondary, but poor run defense. We can see how Andy holds up against a good pass defense, but he won’t be asked to be the hero. Mostly, he can hand it off to Ced, Bernie, and Brian.

Home of the original Kitten Mittens.

by Pardon_My_French on Aug 7, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow thanks for putting this on the front page!

I’m going back down tonight WITH a tripod so you can all put away the barf bags.

Any requests for certain stuff? Do you guys want a shorter video with mostly highlights? Or just film it like I did with the good and the bad?

Again thanks for putting this on the front page :D

by Throw the ball on Aug 4, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

wow thanks again, this really is good stuff.

and good and bad is really what I’d like to see. I will watch it all no matter how long it is, and having only highlights will leave out when players are making mistakes, IMO.

"You gotta look good. Look good, you play good. Play good, pay good. Pay good, live good. Live good, y'know, eat good. Die good." - Deion Sanders

by BeWarned on Aug 4, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's great the way you did it!

As for suggestions, if the new FAs are able to practice, I’d like to see a liitle Manny Lawson. Other than that I could watch oline drills for twenty minutes lol. That’s how desperate I am lol! Oh more Jay Finley ;) very interested in him.

by ASco05 on Aug 4, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree, the longer the better

maybe make a edit a highlight shorty, then leave the long one uncut for the fanatics. anyway you do it, i do appreciate it. great work.

by 70sav on Aug 7, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

FYI

I will be uploading footage from 8/4 later tonight! I’ll make a new fanpost and put this link here for anyone that misses it.

Carson's cheerleader

by Throw the ball on Aug 5, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

May be delayed

My services as a PC tech were needed all day so I didn’t get a chance to do any editing. My apologies!

Carson's cheerleader

by Throw the ball on Aug 5, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

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