Another Poor Free Agency Grade For The Cincinnati Bengals
As Jason pointed out earlier Thursday morning, Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc offered a post-lockout grade for all 32 NFL teams. And as Jason pointed out, the Bengals received a very mediocre grade of "C-", with the Buffalo Bills and Cleveland Browns being the only AFC teams with worse grades. Generally speaking if this were just ESPN writers arbitrarily publishing grades, we'd point out that the whole concept of publishing lettered judgments, a completely subjective opinion, with no context, no substantial benchmark, is beyond ridiculous.
Then again, it's Scouts Inc. that's grading the Bengals, who spend their days, nights and dinners earning their bread by studying football to the point that we would gladly classify it as a dream job. Though our own biased opinions with this team, saturated with a hopeful prognostication after what many defined this offseason as the worst offseason in recent memory, could render "expert" judgments moot.
But in truth, it's not just Scouts Inc that's offering bad grades for the Bengals. One of my more referred to sites on the net, Pro Football Focus, graded Cincinnati worse with a solid D.
Big Signing: Nate Clements. After losing a cornerback the caliber of Johnathan Joseph the Bengals needed to find someone to replace him. Clements may be on the downside of his career, but he’s a more than capable number two.
Under the Radar: Cedric Benson. Legal troubles aside, the Bengals were in a bad way at the RB spot without Benson.
Big Loss: Evan Mathis. It says something that the biggest loss is a guy who didn’t a game last year. Losing Mathis means chronic underachiever Nate Livings will be starting again.
Grade: D. Not getting anything for Carson Palmer, managing to worsen their offensive line and failing to upgrade their secondary. The Bengals have fallen further adrift this off season.
Agreed on the secondary and I only partially agree on the Mathis point because it's very possible that Livings may not even start -- especially when you factor in the competition from Clint Boling and Max Jean-Gilles. Completely agree on the Palmer part. Yet I completely disagree on the offensive line point. Transactions were, at best, a push and then you have to factor in that Andre Smith appears to finally be climbing that hill he should have started climbing his rookie season. We shall see with Smith, though and in reality, the grades PFF is adjusting is mostly subjective about a team's free agent activity.
And the point about running backs keeps me torn. Benson fit perfectly in Cincinnati during the team's AFC North championship. Not so great in 2010, compounded with legal issues made his return non-celebrated. The bigger point we should examine here surrounds the team's rookie running backs. Are they impressing coaches so much to the point that free agency was really a secondary thought? Jay Finley and Jonathan Williams are having good training camps. If they're effective, then free agency, which is completely over-hyped (yes, I said it) is pointless on the matter of running backs.
Let me make this abundantly clear. I think lettered grades is one of the weakest representations of judging anything in the NFL. Representations of lettered-grades provide no benchmark. For example where as Pro Football Focus may drop the Bengals with a "D", I may argue that they deserve at least a C+, maybe even a B-. What's the difference between the two grades? Subjective thought. Nothing more.
But it does provide good commentary, doesn't it?
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I think the best grade is Won/Loss record
For all the reasons listed in the Scout’s Inc story the Bengals are a worse team in 2011 than they were at the start of 2010. To think they can enter the season with a worse QB, a worse Oline, a worse secondary and expect to better a 4-12 seasons is delusional.
I disagree
Carson threw 20 int’s last year and 5 of them were pick six killers!!! so how do we know we are worse at QB. If Andre Smith is healthy and motivated we actually have a better line this year. Corner back may be a little weaker in talent but more stable every week, JJO was injury prone and our LB’s have been upgraded. I’d give a b -
PFF LOVES Mathis. So that’s gotta factor into that ‘D’ bigtime. And I agree they don’t seem to understand the general plan we have for the O-line.
Also, what about the LBs? they completely ignored our biggest position of change in FA. I thought Manny Lawson was the best signing by the team and Howard and Brandon were really important too
"You gotta look good. Look good, you play good. Play good, pay good. Pay good, live good. Live good, y'know, eat good. Die good." - Deion Sanders
I'm actually inclined to give the Bengals a bit of a pass
Don’t get me wrong, letting JJo walk was absolutely inexcusable. HORRIBLE move. But for all we know (and I’ve heard rumors, though nothing concrete) we offered him a comparable deal and he just didn’t want to stay here. So maybe keeping him was never a real option.
But beyond that, when I look around free agency this year I’m not wowed. There are no real huge stars out there> Asomugah was over-priced, Haynesworth was a headcase, QB-wise I think we did fine. Otherwise we made solid short-term deals so that we can field a competent team that won’t get all of our youngsters critically injured this year. What else do we really want? We’re not actually going to win anything this year. All fo these one-year deals will expire after the season and we’ll go into next year’s offseason with a much better idea of where we stand with Dalton and our defense plus a GIANT PILE of cash that we actually WILL be obligated to spend. And who knows what the FA/trade market is going to look like next year. Maybe there’s some real elite O-line talent or a Julius Peppers-caliber defensive lineman. Maybe a Pro Bowl safety. Throw in a first-round running back and all of a sudden this team isn’t looking so bad.
So as tempted as I am to yell and scream about MB hoarding his money…and he is doing just that…there might actually be an upside to it. I’m much happier with him not spending that cash than I would be if he went out and made more bone-headed longterm deals ala Odom or Antonio Bryant.
JJoe was going no mater what
Now I heard in an interview with A Johnson from the Texans that he spoke with JJoe in the offseason some time back and said that he wanted to go there and was more less going to make the move to the Texans!!!His move was pre meditated.
He was not going to stay.
So, so long Jjoe.
I dont know why we even sweat what outsiders think about the Bengals any way, for one the dont do the total research they go by percentages and MB to get the formula of a bad team instead of realy looking what we needed last year and the splash we were making this and what we replaced and upgraded to keeping key players.
Ok so we didn’t trade Palmer does that count as dropping 2 grades?
Mathis ok would have been nice to keep but I think the Bengals cut him right?
And from his words about Mb and not wanting to play for him would he really have helped our team?
Do we want someone like that here because some jerk at ppf or whatever has the gagas for him and thinks the Bengals need to keep him?
Friends ,I dont know about you guys but a lineman who hates an owner kinda will get a QB killed or a RB disrupted miss blocks jump offsides kill drives and cause problems in locker rooms.
Let them grade all they want to america already has a bias opinion towards us anyway,take those shots with a grain of salt and keep on moving…..
by Craig Da Dread on Aug 4, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
JJ walks
Have any of you thought for a second that maybe JJ didnt want to stay in cincy no matter what the offer is especially when a team with a super bowl caliber offense and defense sans their secondary (but know they have a truly good cb) really really wants him. So lets quit blaming everyone but him when you have no idea what we offered or why he chose to leave.
You might be right
However, that’s exactly why we should have signed him to an extension LAST year. With his injury history he would have been hard-pressed not to take it. They should DEFINITELY be talking to Leon about a big extension right now so we don’t have to go through this next year.
I think almost every fan would agree with you...
and we have on numerous posts. But there were some mitigating factors there. There had to be reasons why he had no intention of resigning.
Of course
I mean if he didn’t want to stay it was for the same reasons that Carson ran for the hills. THat’s a given. Just trying to look at the bright side. If Dalton comes in and brings a real sea change in attitude around this team then some of those negatives could shift in the next few years. After 2005 we were actually a hot FA destination. Imagine what would have happened if Carson hadn’t gotten hurt and we could have continued that success for a few years?
Accurate Rating
I agree with the previous poster in that there just wasn’t a lot of improvement we could have made with the current free agent market. I think as fans we tend to overvalue the incoming free agent class because we’ve seen exactly what our position players are capable of doing and we hope that the new guys can do much better. The fact of the matter is that we have signed a few overvalued linebackers, a criminal running back, a career back up guard and an old yet productive corner. I hope they do well, but I gotta think that as a fanbase we have to get the mentality that we are playing for 2014 or 2015.
what is the plan
Perception is the Bengals use free agency as patchwork. Since they are the laughingstock of the NFL they need to take FA from a different point of view. I would have gone after Amobi Okoye or Vernon Gholston or both. Both came out early. They are still 24 and 25 and I think would have been good fits for this team. Both were top ten picks when they were drafted. Can someone explain why they want to keep paying Geathers like he’s all pro ? Anyway, Both those guys have upside and they could have out bid the Bears for their services. Clemens was signed because they lost Joseph. Lawson was signed because Rivers is hurt. Why didn’t they make a play for Veach and at least be solid at one position. Nah. They only allocate X amount of dollars for FB. Whitner is probably looking at a multiple year contract and they probably only want to sign him for a year. So instead of going out on a limb, taking a risk, they’ll sit back and wait for him to blink and if he doesn’t oh well, we tried. The perception is not to win but to field a team.
Agreed wholeheartedly
The Bengals have a serious problem with not signing free agents who are in their prime. The problem is that most young guys don’t want to come to a city in which they may e perennial losers thereby destroying their personal exposure and ability to bring in dollars outside of football. The Bengals bring in broken down veterans who occasionally pan out but generally dont.
by Schmidtastic on Aug 4, 2011 2:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't argue
that most young guys don’t want to come, but there would be a better chance if they offered an attractive contract. They could potentially overpay but it would be a fraction of the cost versus trying to sign a premier free agent. Also, the premier guys would just use the Bengals to run up the price and then sign with the team they really want to go to anyway.
They signed him
Gholston never was what the expected him to be thats why he was available okoye and he would be quite expensive, why go back and get an Odom situation all over again not worth it.
We have depth at D line right now addition from subtraction, and whos to say Gathers is safe from cut down?
Gathers is a good football player not great but he can give you things he is great against the run trust me it just so happened he got some sacks so they figured if he can keep doing this lock him up before we can’t.
Im sure when they hooked him up many of you were happy as hell because he was the rusher we needed, but the next year he got dropped in coverage as a Lb and didnt do to badly,that took from his #s .
when Odom posted bigg #s before he got hurt plenty was due to gathers he would get plenty attention in blocking schems and it opened up Odom, when he went down offenses continued to have the same game plan without somone really comming from the otherside you have limited output so they blitz DB’s and Lb’s to get pressure Mj was still a lil green and they had him playing some LB.
Now they have a rotation of all we now just need them 2 sign Fennene and we would be golden.
by Craig Da Dread on Aug 4, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You gotta be kidding me!!!!!!!!!
Ok so now he went a signed with the darned 49ers thats bush how are they gonna swoop in and steal him and is he an a$$ enough to back out , wow .
Well I stand corrected He switched up my bad on that that sucks very much!!!!!
by Craig Da Dread on Aug 4, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Finalky
I think this is one of their more important if not most important signing of the offseason. He brings another element to a defense that is shaping up to be pretty darn good.
by Schmidtastic on Aug 4, 2011 2:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't care what people say about Palmer and J-Joe, this offseason is very underrated.
At QB – Palmer has been awful for two straight seasons, he doesn’t look anything like he once used to. The offense has been very inconsistent under him for 2 straight seasons, although I would like to get some sort of compensation for him, his salary comes off the books this year and he can STILL be traded if a reasonable offer comes along. I don’t know much about Dalton other than what I read here and there, but how much worse can he be than Palmer at this point. He is definitely more mobile and he has a new coordinator and young receivers that he can grow with. So this position is a wash in my opinion and who knows the position can be improved based upon Dalton’s performance.
RB – Nothing changed here. We have Benson back.
OL – The O-Line was mediocre last year, they brought in Jean-Gilles, drafted Boling and get back a top 10 pick in Smith to add. How is that not an improvement or at least the status quo??? Mathis couldn’t even crack the lineup, regardless of how much Livings disappoints. Mathis may not even play in Philly.
WR – Maybe we declined in this position, but maybe not. All accounts suggest AJ is lights out, no more headaches from Ocho, no poor route running from Owens, and Shipley and Caldwell are reliable. And the verdict is still out on Simpson.
DL – Stayed the same.
LB – Much improved. Adding Lawson and Howard is a definite upgrade. Moch may provide more pass rushing in the nickel. Brandon Johnson is back, and Mauluga is playing his natural position. Losing Jones shouldn’t provide much of a loss besides for leadership which Rey seems to be taking on.
Secondary – The loss of J-Joe definitely hurts, no question he was excellent when he played, but Clements is no slouch, and now with Whitner on board we have another safety to throw in the mix. With Clements and Whitner we get two highly drafted players who were definitely not liabilities on their respective teams. They provide some experience and under Mike Zimmer’s defense can flourish.
So I would definitely not give the offseason a C-, C or C+ and would side in the B range. The team lost soooo many games by fewer than 5 pts last year. Not much has changed, some veterans were added to an already solid defense. The schedule this year is much worse than last year. If Dalton plays as good as Palmer did last year then the Bengals can easily improve upon their record.
by bengal fan from new york on Aug 4, 2011 3:08 PM EDT reply actions

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