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And One Year Later The Cincinnati Bengals Are Headed To The Playoffs

NASHVILLE, TN - NOVEMBER 06:  Andy Dalton #14 of the Cincinnati Bengals celebrates after throwing a touchdown pass during the NFL game against the Tennessee Titans at LP Field on November 6, 2011 in Nashville, Tennessee.  The Bengals won 24-17.  (Photo by Andy Lyons/Getty Images)

There was some optimism heading into the regular season finale last year, with Carson Palmer and the Cincinnati Bengals heading into Baltimore. At the time Cincinnati was 4-11 but an explosion from Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell revitalized Palmer, helping the Bengals win two of their final three games including the eventual elimination of the San Diego Chargers.

Then it all unwound. Or maybe it was just a delayed explosion that was bound to rock the city.

Star-divide

Mike Brown’s press conference announcing Marvin Lewis’ two-year contract was a horrifying reminder that the family was still running the team. Remember at the time, Cincinnati came off a four-win season during a year that Bengals fans fully intended to make postseason plans well before the 2010 regular season even started. The final four games that year was blacked out locally because fans were through, tired of building false-hope for a team that offers no reward for the sweat and tears sacrificed. Though many would agree that Lewis’ return was beneficial, using his masterful vision to make a bad team at least competitive, the press conference that announced it was something to behold.

We wrote following that press conference on January 5:

Tuesday's press conference announcing Lewis' two-year contract was a way for the Bengals to bring fans back into the fold, imploring patience by committing to the ideas of what fans believe will make this franchise successful in the future -- and that first step is becoming a team that's built like other NFL teams. There's no way that the Bengals could possibly think that fans would dive head first into a zombie state of fanatics. Yet, for fans to expect black and white solutions from an owner that keeps you at arm's length, you're not getting them.

Did they win you? No. Mike Brown sat beside Marvin Lewis, in which Dave Lapham said they looked "like they have just consumed a crap sandwich", losing you, the fans at the exact moment that the franchise President could have won you for a second-wind, a new start.

Not three weeks later, ESPN NFL Insider Chris Mortensen reported that Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer demanded a trade or else he’ll retire. The end result was that the franchise quarterback turned mediocre interception machine had no intention to play another game at Paul Brown Stadium for the Bengals.

Once the NFL’s lockout was resolved and Mike Brown appeared at an annual luncheon with the press (aka, the Cincinnati Enquirer, local radio stations and national media), where he deflected questions regarding Palmer, to which we wrote on July 28:

Why is it that Mike Brown's approach to Carson Palmer feels like a high school drama? Boy breaks up with girl and girl exacts her deliciously evil revenge. Alright so maybe that's not just high school; everyday life tends to deal with those things too. Yet it's applied here with such hardcore loyalty to principles that the Bengals have accumulated a winning percentage of .361 dating back to 1991.

At some point during the Palmer drama, Cincinnati selected Andy Dalton in the second round of the 2011 NFL draft. Though Mike Brown reportedly wanted Arkansas quarterback Ryan Mallett, he deferred to Jay Gruden and Marvin Lewis, who were set with Dalton. That was a round after Cincinnati selected eventual Pro Bowl wide receiver A.J. Green.

Though fans were ready to move on, gearing up for a patient rebuilding season, Cincinnati’s linebackers dropped with an assortment of injuries, starting with Keith Rivers attending training camp with a reconstructed wrist, Roddrick Muckelroy suffering an Achilles injury and Dontay Moch breaking a bone in his foot. In response the team signed Thomas Howard, who could be argued as Cincinnati’s defensive MVP, and Manny Lawson.

Though everyone cautions that the preseason is often a meaningless exhibition of backups and third stringers, it didn’t help that the Bengals were dominated against the Lions and Jets, eventually finishing the preseason 1-3. Fans were quickly alarmed, compounded by the eventual forearm contusion that Dalton suffered in the first half against the Browns during Cincinnati’s regular season opener. And before Cincinnati’s A.J. Green hauled in a 41-yard touchdown reception by Bruce Gradkowski on a hurry-up play that caught the Browns defense by surprise, the quick preview into the season looked like it could drag out into another impatient rebuilding season.

Eventually the Bengals began the season 1-2, following consecutive losses to the Denver Broncos and San Francisco 49ers – who would become surprising playoff teams in their own right. Following the revitalizing 23-20 win over the Buffalo Bills, the Bengals would go on to complete a five-game winning streak, capped by Cincinnati’s a 24-17 win over the Tennessee Titans; in hindsight, Cincinnati’s most important win of the season.

Additionally Mike Brown rested his laurels and traded Carson Palmer to Oakland for the Raiders first round selection in 2012 and a conditional second round pick in 2013.

After winning six of their first eight, the Bengals would go on to finish the season by losing five of their final eight, with every loss against playoff bound teams. In the end the football gods eventually smiled upon Bengal fans, who watched teams like the New York Jets, the Oakland Raiders and Denver Broncos danced to the Bengals chorography that put Cincinnati back into the playoffs.

The Cincinnati Bengals have truly come full-circle, largely believed to be the worst team in the NFL during the preseason to being one of 12 teams that made the playoffs this year. Though the moment is bittersweet due to Cincinnati’s most recent loss to the Baltimore Ravens, remember this moment as the second time in three seasons that the Bengals made the playoffs. No matter what they’ve done in the regular season, none of that matters now. Everyone in the post season is winless, yet undefeated. And the Cincinnati Bengals will play one more week than anyone else expected.

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Thank you chargers for the playoffs and a better draft pick!

The official chili of the Cincinnati Bengals

by Gold Star Chili Cheese Fries on Jan 1, 2012 10:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Well put

Bengals need a new cash cow RB, shut down CB, and a realy good guard before they can compete with the Superbowl contenders and bad Refs.

"At the very end, somebody took a dump right where I stood in the dugout every day." Dusty Baker

by featherman on Jan 1, 2012 10:10 PM EST reply actions  

Corner, Running Back, maybe two Corners...a Guard to replace Bobbie Williams...

We have all the ingredients…focusing on Houston….we can win this game…

by WhoDeyJ on Jan 1, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen. Don't understand some of the more negative comments I've read.......

I too am unhappy about losing today, but am excited about the opportunity making the playoffs presents. We had such low expectations, I’m afraid some have raised that bar very high in a very short period of time. You have to enjoy this moment, god knows for Bengal fans the thrill of being a playoff team has been very elusive. This team has exceeded expectations every which way, let’s keep supporting them and who knows what could happen next………

"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche

by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 1, 2012 10:10 PM EST reply actions  

Really is too bad

Change gone come mane! Trust me! Cause i Bleed tigerblood!--Jerome Simpson

by Grizzlyfox on Jan 1, 2012 10:13 PM EST reply actions  

that Gresham fumbled....had a real chance to overcome that horrid officiating.

Hate seeing that ticky tack stuff, when you know that stuff goes on every play. Very poor today.

Change gone come mane! Trust me! Cause i Bleed tigerblood!--Jerome Simpson

by Grizzlyfox on Jan 1, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Technically all their calls were pretty close, it's just that they are never called..

like that crappy call on Mauluga??? And the “elbow” touched the goal line…or that Nelson led with the helmet…or that AJ wasn’t mauled…..those guys had money on that game…no doubt…worse over-all officiating I ever seen in a game this important….

by WhoDeyJ on Jan 1, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Ravens game wasn't bad...

We gave up two huge plays to Ray Rice…one for 51, one for 70. Other than that, and one 15 yard run in the 4th QTR, we did well. Flaaco had 130 yards passing. Other than the missed tackle by Rey, and Reggie Nelson getting fooled on the reverse in the 1st QTR, we handled them well. I don’t count that last drive in the 2nd QTR by the Ravens. That officiating was terrible. You know the ref’s bet on the Ravens. So, if you could get those two plays back for 14 points from Rice, attribute those 7 points on that last drive to the ref’s trying to cover their own bets; those are 21 of the 24 points. We played pretty good besides that. And put up at least 16; maybe more if the ref’s would have called them game fairly. I know ESPN just shows the score…and we deserve those 14 points that we coughed up to Rice…but I think we out-played the Ravens…Even Whitworth felt “we were playing two teams out there”. We are in. we’ll do fine against Houston and I am confident we can beat New England as well…and we have played head to head with the Dirty birds twice this year….got beat by two flub plays and the ref’s today; ref’s screwed us on Grehsam’s TD in Baltimore….I like our chances…I also thought we would go 3-13 this year, so I am thrilled just to get in the play-offs. Oh, yeah, and of those 12 losses last year, 8 were 7 points or less, and only the Craps-burg 2nd QTR has been a blow-out this year….WHO DEY!!!

by WhoDeyJ on Jan 1, 2012 10:19 PM EST reply actions  

looking at the entire stat sheet

the Bengals out everythinged the pigeons.

Take away Rice’s two long runs he only averaged 3.5 or thereabouts per carry
Flacco 130 yards – nuff said
8/17 3rd downs – nuff said

i like the matchup and this franchise is due to win a playoff game on the road, which it has never done in its existance.

by david in upstate SC on Jan 1, 2012 10:30 PM EST reply actions  

Roughing on Dalton was bs too

Blaming the ref’s for this loss is too much

Cincy does not make the plays at crunch time or the ability to overcome some adversity

They can still beat Houston

by TX Bengal on Jan 1, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno...I started laughing at the calls in the 2nd QTR and never took them too serious after

that…AJ was mauled on that last play…..I don’t blame the Ref’s – just think we could have had a better chance with a real crew….we did give up the two runs…that was what killed us..

by WhoDeyJ on Jan 1, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm die hard Bengal

As for College – BoilerMakers

Yeah AJ was mauled – but it was a Hail Mary

I’d just like them to see them play a complete game – and overcome obstacles like good teams do – and not make excuses

I live in Houston – the feeling down here is the Texans are shot – no real expectactions they can win a playoff game

It has been a great season considering the expectactions

i went to both Cincy AFC Championship games – have the ticket stubs to prove it – if I can find them up in the attic

by TX Bengal on Jan 1, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

No it wasn't a hail mary

it was the 2nd to last play and the hail mary was the last play. The pass was a rope straight to AJ and he was mauled.. When you can see all of his shoulder pads b/c of the jersey being pulled, that is no less than a Pass Interference…. What made it worse was the ref was standing there looking right at it and didn’t throw the flag.

by WHYUS!! on Jan 2, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Houston 3 Point Favorite

Home team usually gets 3

About the best Cincy could ask for on a road playoff game

Shipley was a huge loss to this offense

by TX Bengal on Jan 1, 2012 10:33 PM EST reply actions  

Shipley's loss cost us two games IMO.

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Jan 1, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking three

Shipley in the slot means a quicker hot receiver when a blitz is coming. That would have probably made the first PIT game, either BLT game and the HOU games have more Cincinnati friendly endings.

by david in upstate SC on Jan 2, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Theoreticly, yes. Next year it won't be theory. Green, Gresham, Green and Simpson

will be a group that is hard to deal with

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Jan 2, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

dalton in that picture

looks just like the red headed kid from christmas story

" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."

by palewook on Jan 1, 2012 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

Scut Farkas

Does that make Mike Nugent Grover Dill?

Randy laid there like a slug. It was his only defense.

by david in upstate SC on Jan 2, 2012 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't like it and I know you don't like it. but the Ravens have 7 ProBowl players on their team

They are a better team right now. I think it will be different next year but today things unfolded as they should. The Texans are not as good as either the Steelers or the Ravens. We can play them tough..

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Jan 1, 2012 10:44 PM EST reply actions  

hi JOHN

did you get to watch the game? Tough start…

careful, there’s an infectious doldrum moving through the boards tonight.

Fricking Katy Perry just knocked on your door, took out them tittays and a bottle of wine. She got you drunk. She got you high. She rocked your jock and you have it on videotape... and some of you turkeys are complaining about it being skunk weed.

The whole season matters. They didn’t back in.

by supergrover on Jan 1, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

You're judging their superiority...

by a popularity contest…?

"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus

by Doc Scratch on Jan 1, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

The ONLY players they deserved on that squad were Suggs and Rice.

"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus

by Doc Scratch on Jan 1, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

They also whipped Pittsburgh's ass twice this year.

The thing about having 7 guys win that popularity contest is that it means 7 guys that have been around long enough in big game situations to become that popular. They’re experienced and they’re certainly not slobs, so they have an across the board edge in being able to hang in and kick up the intensity at a time of the year when everybody still alive is “trying hard” but a lot of teams have too many guys that in their heart of hearts are physically and psychologically simply ready to go home.

by fletchersmith on Jan 2, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

They didn't whip shit

Ass whipping to me implies a blowout. Pitt whipped our ass. Baltimore whipped Pitt’s ass in the beginning of the season. BALTIMORE HAS NOT WHIPPED OUR ASS THIS SEASON.

by Israeli on Jan 2, 2012 1:27 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i'm sorta in agreement with baltimore hasn't owned us all season

they got 2 wins, without ref help, they’d have split with us if not lost both games.

it is what is though. we need to play them better. 2011, us going 0-2 vs the ravens? that has to improve.

" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."

by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

You implied otherwise above.

More Pro Bowlers=/=better team. It just means the more popular team. I’m sure Atlanta was the better team than Green Bay last year during the playoffs right?

"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus

by Doc Scratch on Jan 2, 2012 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, they beat us twice.

Yes, the Patriots beat the Jests twice a year ago. Yet the Jets won in the playoffs—where it matters. We lost in the regular season, but we made it to the big dance. It never really mattered until now.

"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus

by Doc Scratch on Jan 2, 2012 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Doc and Pale you know I am a true fan after all of this time here

You also should know a few things about me. First of all I can have some real bonehead ideas and am frequently wrong. But, right or wrong, I speak my mind and don’t go along to get along. What I do know is that both Baltimore and Pittsburgh beat us twice. They are the better teams and that is simply fact. Did we play hard and give them a game? Yea. Cleveland gave us a game too. Wouldn’t you agree that we are a better team than us?

If we are going to have intelligent conversation ( or at least as intelligent of a conversation as you can have with as much of a dumbass as I am) you need to start with acknowledging certain facts so you know where to take the discussion. If you don’t think that the Steelers and Ravens whipped our ass I can only tell you that denial isn’t only a river in Egypt.

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Jan 2, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Again, siding with Israeli

There’s a pretty distinct difference between beating us and whipping our asses.

"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus

by Doc Scratch on Jan 2, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

No difference. They are both another game in the loss column.

I don’t believe in moral victories. When you are in a gunfight it doesn’t matter that you were almost as fast as the other guy. You are still dead.

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Jan 2, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

then you shouldn't be quibbling when someone rejects your choice of phrase

Fricking Katy Perry just knocked on your door, took out them tittays and a bottle of wine. She got you drunk. She got you high. She rocked your jock and you have it on videotape... and some of you turkeys are complaining about it being skunk weed.

The whole season matters. They didn’t back in.

by supergrover on Jan 2, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Still running game is a HUGE problem.
Benson is not fast enough to threaten the edges and cannot break tackles to get the second level on inside runs. Being how often we do run this is a big problem as you can look at how poorly Benson performs vs playoff caliber teams.
I am sure everyone noticed how the
field shrunk after the Scott TD when Ced was back in starting at midfield.

by ExNFLScout on Jan 1, 2012 10:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

see. that was a good post

still doubt the moniker, but that’s not your place to convince me either

Fricking Katy Perry just knocked on your door, took out them tittays and a bottle of wine. She got you drunk. She got you high. She rocked your jock and you have it on videotape... and some of you turkeys are complaining about it being skunk weed.

The whole season matters. They didn’t back in.

by supergrover on Jan 1, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

True

I cant type as fast as you youngens and my moniker is true but I admit I did not have the talent some of the guys of this generation have. I know a thing or 2 about RB’s and I promise you Benson is not a starting RB that will carry a team through the playoffs. Is Scott ? Simple answer I like our chances at this stage with him. He has the speed to keep playoff defenses honest and after the drop to rebound with his best run of the year speaks volumes.

by ExNFLScout on Jan 1, 2012 11:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Marvin Lewis Post Game Qoute on Zebras...

“The Ravens are a team that has committed more defensive penalties than anyone in the NFL, and I don’t think they got called for one today. The film will be interesting to look at. Overall, we must do a better job eliminating our penalties. Some of the plays we were called for didn’t look like penalties. However, those particular plays were called, and we must overcome them. The three touchdowns they scored are all plays we must defend better.’

by WhoDeyJ on Jan 1, 2012 10:54 PM EST reply actions  

Cmon' marv

need to straight up say that those calls were crap

by Tampa_Bengal on Jan 1, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that's a finin' if he does that

He pretty much said it was crap without having to use those words

Fricking Katy Perry just knocked on your door, took out them tittays and a bottle of wine. She got you drunk. She got you high. She rocked your jock and you have it on videotape... and some of you turkeys are complaining about it being skunk weed.

The whole season matters. They didn’t back in.

by supergrover on Jan 1, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Defense ended up 7th, Offense 22nd

Need RB, Guard, 2nd WR

Shipley back and Dalton/Gruden together for 2nd year

Hope Gruden comes back and opens it up some more

by TX Bengal on Jan 1, 2012 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

In the past, I've not been a big supporter of Simpson

But I’m beginning to have a change of heart. Don’t get me wrong I’d still like us to look at another WR to have opposite AJ b/c I still think Jerome is still a little too inconsitent. And it’s because eventhough he’s been in league for several years I almost think you have to evaluate him as a rookie with 3 extra games (end of last year), especially consisering it’s a new system

by biggie22 on Jan 2, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

same here, changing view

his valuable time is sooo valuable… just need to work on keeping him motivated, maybe

Fricking Katy Perry just knocked on your door, took out them tittays and a bottle of wine. She got you drunk. She got you high. She rocked your jock and you have it on videotape... and some of you turkeys are complaining about it being skunk weed.

The whole season matters. They didn’t back in.

by supergrover on Jan 2, 2012 6:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I honestly think our WR core is fine

Green, Simpson, Shipley, Hawk, Whalen + FA or late rounder

I think we should use that draft pick or money on a free agent signing for our more dire needs at RB, CB, G, S

by Tampa_Bengal on Jan 1, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotta have Shipley come back strong -

Didn’t have have 600 yard as a rookie w/Ocho and TO to deal with

by TX Bengal on Jan 1, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you

I’ve been reading all this about drafting a wr, I think we have a lot of talent there already. A late rounder makes sense but there are so many more needs. Dalton will be better next year too. He’ll make better use of the receivers we have now. Of course, just my opinion…

by SCbengalsfan on Jan 1, 2012 11:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Need two guards

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Jan 2, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Marvin never calls out the refs

but if you read his postgame comments, he is steamed

Watching Stanford Jennings kick return in the Super Bowl was the out of body experience of my sports life.

by txbengal29 on Jan 1, 2012 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

Fricking Katy Perry just knocked on your door, took out them tittays and a bottle of wine. She got you drunk. She got you high. She rocked your jock and you have it on videotape... and some of you turkeys are complaining about it being skunk weed.

The whole season matters. They didn’t back in.

by supergrover on Jan 1, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

marvin needs to tear off some ref ass in game for once.

yesterday was a black and white mugging.

" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."

by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd keep Simpson,had a couple of nice catches today. Shipley coming back will be massive

Gresh was having a fine game,hard luck on the fumble. We can beat houston next week, I have no doubts about it. Dont think Zimm will get caught out by the Texans again.

by pilks1075 on Jan 1, 2012 11:13 PM EST reply actions  

I love the Bengals and I think they can win too...

but the matchup with Houston is not an easy one, even with the backup QB… their offense with all the play action and tight ends getting open is hard on the Bengals…

Watching Stanford Jennings kick return in the Super Bowl was the out of body experience of my sports life.

by txbengal29 on Jan 1, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct

but he’s going to have a 4th Stringer that he has very little work with and hamstring injuries are constant issues.

by KSE on Jan 1, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

cost him his 94 game reception streak

guessing holmes and rex are heading for a split in the off season

" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."

by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah that team is a disaster

Although LT still looks like he has a ton left in the tank. He could have 2 more seasons left in him.

by eric nyc on Jan 2, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

i'd love for the bengals to sign lt in the off season as their change of pace back

and kick scott to the curb.

" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."

by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd definitely take LT on a 2 year deal

He’d probably come pretty cheap. My only worry is that Marvin would try to use him like he uses Benson instead of giving him the 10-15 touches a game he should get. Still, I think I’d rather just draft a Pead or Polk or Ball and work from the ground up. Could have a really solid offensive core for at least 5 years.

by eric nyc on Jan 2, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

i can see montee ball sliding into the second round

if he does, whatever reasonable trade we need to make to move up to get ball in the 2nd. i’d be ok with. unless richardson falls to us in the 1st (doubtful)

" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."

by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Pead will be there in the late 2nd

He’d be a good fit. Great hands out of the backfield. Physically he’s almost identical to Ball, just needs to put on a couple more pounds which he easily will in an NFL training camp.

by eric nyc on Jan 2, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Outside of Cleveland (who may take RG3)...

I’m not sure what team would consider RB a bigger need? It’s realistic that Trent falls to 17. Although, I’d rather address RB in 2nd round like most.

by KSE on Jan 2, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

i can see the jets looking for a rb in the 1st round.

think everyone else has more pressing issues. vikes for example are insane if they dont take a cb in the 1st.

" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."

by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

hah

probably. probably.

" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."

by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

And WR

Since Santonio seems to be on his way out

by emeybee on Jan 2, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Good god.

If anyone says “Bengals should look at Holmes. I think Marvin can keep him in check”…

by KSE on Jan 2, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

ugh. I know.

Fricking Katy Perry just knocked on your door, took out them tittays and a bottle of wine. She got you drunk. She got you high. She rocked your jock and you have it on videotape... and some of you turkeys are complaining about it being skunk weed.

The whole season matters. They didn’t back in.

by supergrover on Jan 3, 2012 7:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Would like to wish everyone @ the Jungle a Happy New Year

Thank you to Josh and crew for this site,
truly top notch. Just to have a playoff game Saturday is special. What a way to start 2012.

by ExNFLScout on Jan 1, 2012 11:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Outside of that atrocious last drive...

that offense (yes, without Andre) didn’t look stellar. I think Adam, Jennings and Clements have done a great job of putting in place since Hall went down.

by KSE on Jan 1, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes they have

but I still didn’t understand why the TE was open so much. I’m sure it will be covered in practice this week but then there’s one of the league’s best WRs to worry about.

by Tampa_Bengal on Jan 1, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

If you've got CBs on TEs, you've got problems.

"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus

by Doc Scratch on Jan 2, 2012 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Still would prefer Hall over Jennings.

Can’t wait to see what this secondary is like with SHINY NEW CB taken in the early rounds next year.

"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus

by Doc Scratch on Jan 2, 2012 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

not scared of the texans

we have to play our game, things will take of the rest

" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."

by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

id like to hear marvin say what he tought of the jungle

Fans were rocking and rolling the place was loud and if they can bring that crowd to all home games, cinch will be one of the toughest to play.

He called me a baboon, he thinks I'm his wife.

by ThreeofSpades on Jan 1, 2012 11:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

uh cincy

He called me a baboon, he thinks I'm his wife.

by ThreeofSpades on Jan 1, 2012 11:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I constantly heard the crowd on the television.

All the boos on the last drive of the first half, audible “WHO DEYs” in the background, audible “DE-FENSE” in the background, everything. It was fantastic to hear, and I hope to hear Paul Brown like that every game in the next couple of years. Gog that was awesome.

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by Doc Scratch on Jan 2, 2012 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I was there

And it was really really loud. Especially when we were all screaming booing and cussing the refs. It was really great the crowd stayed into the whole game.

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by Helmsy on Jan 2, 2012 3:42 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah

the calls were unreal….We pretty much booed the whole second half because of the bad calls….beer was getting thrown…wow

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by ticalcaldwell on Jan 2, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

i'd be more than interested in hearing marving speak his mind about the officiating

screw the fine. call em out for that garbage yesterday

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by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait until we're done playing before you do that

You really want to piss off the refs going into the playoffs?

by eric nyc on Jan 2, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

if the refs were going to target you for bad calls

they could just get you in 2012, 2013, etc.

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by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Hell no

you don’t wait! You do it now and make a statement. Let them know you have had enough….. What else could happen? They shit on us again? He needs to bring the national media into it and make the officials look like fools. Take the fine b/c you know it’s coming and then you’ll have better trust in them on the next game, b/c all eyes will be on them.
I’ve sat back and put up with the poor officiating b/c a team needs to overcome such things in order to win, but when enough, become enough? I think it’s time for Marvin to speak out, just once…

by WHYUS!! on Jan 2, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Yesterday was just beyond ridiculous. A bad call here or there is acceptable— refs are human, but yesterday was just back-to-back-to-back ridiculousness throughout the entire game. I’m usually not a conspiracy theorist, but if there wasn’t some internal motivation going on, then those refs need to be fired for sheer incompetence.

by emeybee on Jan 2, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm usually the last guy to call out bad officiating...

But yesterday was strange. And I haven’t seen a word about it in any media outlet.

by eric nyc on Jan 2, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

nor will you

i did hear cowher after the game talking about how bad the calls were. made me smile.

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by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

We are in!!!!!

I’m so happy and siked ……I hope it isn’t a one and out.

by HEZ_MAN on Jan 2, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

backing in

i’m happy with the winning season. backing into the playoffs, losing to the ravens twice this season? not happy with either of those things.

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by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

didn't back in

did lose twice to ravens

you back in when someone better than you falls and you get in that way. People in 1990 accused the Reds of backing in because they happened to clinch on the night of a rain-delay loss.

Fricking Katy Perry just knocked on your door, took out them tittays and a bottle of wine. She got you drunk. She got you high. She rocked your jock and you have it on videotape... and some of you turkeys are complaining about it being skunk weed.

The whole season matters. They didn’t back in.

by supergrover on Jan 2, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

we have a difference of opinion on backing in

to me, you back in, when you leave your fate in someone else’s hands. like needing 3-4 teams to lose on the last day when you fail to win.

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by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

1990 they went wire to wire

I’ve personally never heard ppl accuse that team of backing in …

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by TruWhoDey on Jan 2, 2012 3:39 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

i'll fess up to being in disbelief the reds dismantled the a's that year

on paper, true David vs Goliath match up. can still hear Rickey Henderson crying about it after the sweep. saying the better team didn’t win etc.

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by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, that was 20 years ago so the googles may not provide a lot

Quck search shows I’m not alone in remembering that
For what it’s worth, it was viewed that the 1990 Reds “backed” into the playoffs. I think that turned out ok

Otherwise, the search terms are so non specific that a search is not readily performed.

Fricking Katy Perry just knocked on your door, took out them tittays and a bottle of wine. She got you drunk. She got you high. She rocked your jock and you have it on videotape... and some of you turkeys are complaining about it being skunk weed.

The whole season matters. They didn’t back in.

by supergrover on Jan 3, 2012 7:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully

The coaching staff and players will realize how significant this game is. I’m gonna stay optimistic and believe they will be prepared.

by SCbengalsfan on Jan 2, 2012 12:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

yeah

they need to remember what it feels like not to get the job done. every since marvins comment about his biggest game vs the texans. this team has failed to control games. needs to get better next year. they’re young, it would seem to be a natural choice for the team to grow and get better and better in the years to come.

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by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

2 of 3 years.

This team is running on something special. 2 of 3 years in the playoffs and a real chance at the first playoff win in 20 years. I cannot wait. Can’t wait till’ next Sunday.

by Cry on Jan 2, 2012 4:29 AM EST reply actions  

saturday

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by ticalcaldwell on Jan 2, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Jamison Hensley

What is that guy’s obsession with the Lost Decade? How many more times will he write, "Bengals made the playoffs for the 3rd time in the last 20 years. What’s so hard about “3rd time in last seven years”?

James Walker was even less objective, but a better writer. Guess that’s all I should expect are half-wits from ESPN.com.

by Braintrust on Jan 2, 2012 5:36 AM EST reply actions  

espn, nbc, si

all love to dump on the bengals. blowing smoke up the big market fans rumps is pretty much their theme.

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by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Peter King has the Bengals ranked 15th in his top 15

Behind 4 teams not in the playoffs, including Arizona and Tennessee. That’s pretty disrespectful.

by eric nyc on Jan 2, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

si always posted a story this morning about the top breakout athletes in 2011

i put a link to the story in fanshots. short of it, 9 nfl players were breakout stars in 2011. guys like cam newton. aj green and andy dalton are not in SI’s list.

surprise..

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by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

The Saint Louis Cardinals

won the WS this season and needed help on the very last game of the season. NO ONE called that “backing in”.

by KSE on Jan 2, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

frankly, that is MORE backing in than what happened with the Bengals

Cards had to depend on a complete collapse by the Braves to get in, and that’s what happened.

Fricking Katy Perry just knocked on your door, took out them tittays and a bottle of wine. She got you drunk. She got you high. She rocked your jock and you have it on videotape... and some of you turkeys are complaining about it being skunk weed.

The whole season matters. They didn’t back in.

by supergrover on Jan 3, 2012 7:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I really just want Andy and AJ to win one playoff game

After that, there’s no shame in losing to Tom Brady in Foxboro in January. But all I want out of this post season is for the young guys to get a taste of a playoff environment and come up with a win. They can take that into next year. It couldn’t be gift wrapped any better for them than with the Texans in the state they’re in. They shouldn’t have ANY excuse for taking them lightly after the last meeting. A confident Dalton and Green going into next season can be dangerous. But man are there some holes that need to be filled on this team…

by eric nyc on Jan 2, 2012 8:49 AM EST reply actions  

There are some holes.

We are in need so bad for a RB. I pray the Bengals do away with this dude. Oline, RB, CB, and OG.

by HEZ_MAN on Jan 2, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I honestly dont think this team will go beyond the divisional game but I would love to get vengeance on the Texans…ask Palewook…I was pretty mad after that game…whodey

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by ticalcaldwell on Jan 2, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

i'd settle for knocking the texans out

and having a crack at the pats.

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by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

PER PFT

8. Executive of the Year.

Winner: Bengals president Mike Brown.

Runner-up: 49ers G.M. Trent Baalke.

Honorable mention: Lions G.M. Martin Mayhew, Texans G.M. Rick Smith.

By picking receiver A.J. Green in round one and quarterback Andy Dalton in round two, Brown landed a cornerstone combination that should fuel the passing game for years to come. And by fleecing the Raiders for a first-round pick and a second-round pick in exchange for the rights to a quarterback who never would play again for the Bengals, Brown put himself in position to further lay the foundation for a bright future.

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 2, 2012 8:55 AM EST reply actions  

just thought it was surreal to see this

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by ticalcaldwell on Jan 2, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I think this is more surprising than making the playoffs

Mikey being heralded as executive of the year……lol…..ohhh Mikey

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by ticalcaldwell on Jan 2, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's a thing...

Bengals win the SB. Just pretend. Who accepts the trophy? My gut says that Mike would want Katie to do it.

by KSE on Jan 2, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

This is it for Ced

First thing we do is get rid of ced. What a pathetic performance. I don’t wanna hear that it is our o line. Marv knows wasssup, notice that Scott was in early in the game. I hope we grab a RB in the draft or FA.

by HEZ_MAN on Jan 2, 2012 9:05 AM EST reply actions  

I actually think Ced had a pretty solid game...by Ced standards

I mean yeah, he’s gone after this year. He could have ran for 200 yesterday and he’d still be gone next year. He can run for 200 next week and he’ll still be gone next year. He’s clearly on the decline and wasn’t anything that special to begin with, and he’s not under contract so it’s a pretty easy decision. Of course, now that I said that they’ll sign him to a 3 year deal…

But yesterday I think he actually got going a bit. I think when he saw himself basically taken out of the game in the 2nd quarter he started to panic knowing he was playing for a contract SOMEWHERE next year and he turned on the jets…at least HIS version of the jets. Which is to say he had a couple 7 yard runs. Those are monsters for Ced. A lot of backs in the league would have sprung some of those holes for huge gains. But he held his own for the most part. Should have been more than enough to open up our passing game, which was pathetic. How are Dalton and Simpson still miscommunicating on routes this late in the year? I know AJ might still be hurt, but how can you not at least try to get him more involved? Why can’t ANY of our receivers get open when plays break down? Dalton has been pretty spectacular at extending plays with his feet, and every time he’s running towards the sideline and 7, 8, 9, seconds have gone by I’m screaming at the tv because NFL receivers should not be able to stay covered that long. Once 5 seconds have gone by, break off your rote and find a hole somewhere.

by eric nyc on Jan 2, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

that is my point with "ced standards"

Ced is done here…unless he rushed for 250 next week, he was done…Scott isnt the answer either, we need an RB in the offseason..from somewhere..either the draft or FA

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by ticalcaldwell on Jan 2, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I still think you have to put a ton of the blame on the line.

The difference is pretty obvious to me on a couple of plays in particular. Both of Ray Rice’s TD runs started with really good O-line blocks. Benson had one 9-10 yard run in the 4th that started with similarly well executed blocks on the left side of the line. That’s where the difference in RB’s comes in. Ray Rice turns those plays into TD’s. Benson turns them into first downs. But neither one was effective when the line couldn’t open holes for them. Even Rice, easily one of the top 5 backs in the league, couldn’t bounce outside or find room when our D collapsed the line yesterday.

by eric nyc on Jan 2, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

your right

our line is not very good in the run block area..

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by ticalcaldwell on Jan 2, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I've said this a couple of times last night in the 2nd half thread

That Simpson has absolutely no vision. There were a few of times he ran right up the backs of the Oline and has gotten 1-3 yards. When all he would have to do was look left at gapping hole that was right there. Happened a few times and drove me nuts…

by WHYUS!! on Jan 2, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

montee ball in orange in black?

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by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Marvin on the running game:

“We have to find a way to start making some of those 1-2 yard gains 4-5 yard gains.”

That’s why they pay him the big bucks….Seriously? You just played your 16th game of the season and you’re STILL wondering why you can’t run the same stupid dive play behind Mike McGlynn on EVERY first down and have it go for more than a yard or two? Ugh…this guy kills me sometimes. Sign Carl Nicks or George Yanda in the offseason, draft Decastro or Glenn, THEN you can start running the ball down people’s throats on 1st and 2nd downs. You want to know why you can’t do it now? Their names are Mike McGlynn and Nate Livings. Kyle Cook isn’t anything special, either, but at least he’s solid, calls out the right assignments, and holds his own in the passing game. But if it wasn’t obvious from looking at this line on paper, it should be REALLY obvious after playing 64 quarters of football with them that this offensive line is not a power running line, no matter how hard you wish for it, Marvin.

by eric nyc on Jan 2, 2012 9:05 AM EST reply actions  

agreed we do

1) get some guards. “smith, come here, you’re next to whit.” “sign the best fa rg on the market”

2) get a real stud rb. stop with the cost cutter show in benson.

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by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

My thoughts on the game

1. Good game…our guys played damn hard and never gave up..
2. Big Plays….we shut down the ravens except for two big plays from Rice
3. Penalties….and the refs….that Nelson call was absolutely terrible
4. Fans…that place was LOUD…when Scott scored that TD..place was booming
5. Gresham……..buddy…we were down by three driving for the win……buddy
6. Drunk ass fans….it is why I only like to go to 1 or 2 games a year…
7. Ravens Injury report….suspect…Yanda was a beast and held down that side
8. Maualuga….he had a ton of tackles but missed 2 huge ones that cost us tds..guy wiffs constantly
9. Benson…….see ya…done
10. Green…at least try to get him the ball more than twice
11. Dalton…played very well..noticed he was very quick on his feet..very fast in the pocket…dodged reed and pollard well a few times…
12. BabyHawk…crowd favorite…I love this kid
12. Finally…Dalton had one throw straight up the middle of the field to Gresham that made the crowd quiet……straight laser…unreal throw…I will never forget it…

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 2, 2012 9:07 AM EST reply actions  

one more thing

Suggs…Defensive MVP…I’m sorry..this guy is good…really good….all over the place yesterday

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by ticalcaldwell on Jan 2, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

#9, +1,000........

can’t wait to see another back playing for us next year. I like how he came in and ran much harder after Scott scored that touchdown, that is all I need to see from Benson. My thought is “Why can’t you run that hard all the time then d/a?” The announcers even pointed that out, if the playoffs can’t get you motivated, then your not on my team.

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by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 2, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I was at the game, the atmosphere was great

No one was acting a fool, at least that I saw.

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by btcoop71 on Jan 2, 2012 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

+ 1,000,000,000

The crowd was amazing

by cincyboi on Jan 2, 2012 10:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree ericnyc

The offensive line is the antithesis of the 2009 unit. That year, they could pull and runblock with any line in the league. In 2011, they have looked mediocre at best. The best argument for Scott getting more carries is that he might be quick enough to evade one of the two defenders that are instantly in the backfield on every running play. The offensive line has long needed a makeover. The entire reason for the Jets’ emergence was the dominant play of that offensive line in 2009, not the skill players outside of the secondary.

Speaking of secondary, Kelly Jennings has played well as a Bengal. I know fans don’t like him much, but he has been a pro. Pacman’s cover skills are that of a #1 corner. Glad we have him.

by Braintrust on Jan 2, 2012 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

+1

Our run blocking is average at best…

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by ticalcaldwell on Jan 2, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

09"

They used a lot of unbalanced lines to sustain a running game…

by WHYUS!! on Jan 2, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

hence they could not pass block

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by featherman on Jan 2, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

On the CBs

Im not sure why everyone keeps calling for us to draft a CB high. With Hall back we’ll have 3 very good CBs— Clements and Adam have more than held their own— and Jennings is a serviceable backup. Maybe get someone for depth or to groom, but it’s nowhere near as pressing a need as some other positions.

by emeybee on Jan 2, 2012 10:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Clements is old, Jones isn't signed past this year, and we have no idea how Hall will return

Even if just ONE of those things were true, we would be in a spot to draft a CB in the first round. All 3 of them being true and you could make an argument for drafting two.

by eric nyc on Jan 2, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah

We just need to re-sign Adam (he’ll be fairly cheap) and we’ll be okay. Leon has never been injury prone and Clements isn’t showing his age. Then get a CB late (or keep grooming Ghee). O Line, RB (among others) are actual problems now— CB is just a future potential problem.

by emeybee on Jan 2, 2012 11:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Where to start...

Adam Jones won’t come cheap. He’s proven he can be a starter and he’ll want to at least be given the shot to do that wherever he signs – and be paid as one. He won’t make even Leon Hall money, but he will NOT come cheap. So you then have to decide if you’re going to pay him, Hall, and Clements to duke it out for 2 starting roles and then have a really high paid nickel. Clements is going to be 32 next year. I agree that he’s playing really well, but we have a 23 year old QB and receiver and a very young defense all over the place. You have to think about 2013 and beyond, and Clements isn’t in that picture. As for Hall, being “injury prone” has nothing to do with coming back from a TORN ACHILLES. That’s no joke of an injury. A lot of guys NEVER come back from that injury, and almost no one comes back as good as they were. Not to mention that Leon was basically a #2 corner before he got hurt. We DESPERATELY need a #1 shutdown corner and none of the guys we’re talking about has that potential. There is no question whatsoever that we need to draft a CB in the first round.

by eric nyc on Jan 2, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

problem with drafting a cb

there are probably 4-5 teams in the top 15 picks that need a corner. hell maybe 6 teams. expecting the browns to be stupid and draft a qb though..

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by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

We're definitely out of the running for the top 3 guys

I’m hoping that at least Jenkins or Dennard is still there. Dennard might end up being the steal of the bunch.

by eric nyc on Jan 2, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

jenkins has a past

can see teams scared to use a 1st round pick on him. brown not so much so..

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by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Everything I see about Dennard tells me he's the next JJo

I’m not sure why he’s so far down on a lot of boards, but so was Joseph. We got a steal in him. I hope we can do it again and then do the smart thing and lock him up. Hall, Joseph, Dennard, Clements is a pretty good CB chart.

by eric nyc on Jan 2, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

browns will grab either

RG3 or Blackmon…

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by TruWhoDey on Jan 2, 2012 12:20 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

i'm not saying CB isn't a need.

I’m just saying it’s not a TOP need. The secondary was not the problem yesterday, and hasn’t been most of the year. None of our RBs are any good. Our O-line isn’t great to begin with and we have no depth at all. (See: McGlynn). If we don’t re-sign Simpson, we’ll have a gaping hole at WR. Nelson has been fantastic but Crocker is aging a lot faster than Clements is. So yes, address CB late, or through FA, or mid-year, but in the first round?! No way. We have bigger issues. And I still think Jones will be fairly cheap— he still has off-the-field concerns, and while we have seen that he has done well he hasn’t been getting a ton of attention for it.

by emeybee on Jan 2, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

think most of us agree with the basic needs for the off season as

LG (move smith or get a starter)
RG (starter)
RB (stud please)
WR (depending on simpson’s fate)
DT (depending on simms)
OLB (depending on what happens with lawson/rivers)
SS (need a starter)
FS (resign nelson?)
CB (need a #1/2 depending on hall)
CB (need a #3/4 – depending on nate/jones)

(not in that order either)

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by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

DEFINITELY re-sign Nelson

That should be happening right now. Nelson has definitely proven his worth. He should get a lot more love from Bengals fans than he does. The only reason I think he doesn’t is because the secondary around him isn’t great and he gets lumped in with the criticism. He’s not Ed Reed, but he’s a really good ball hawk and he covers a TON of ground. I don’t see us improving on him at FS anytime soon.

As for guard, I dont’ think we’re going to be moving Andre. And if we did, I’d move him to RG, not left. With all the money we have to spend, it would be a shame if we couldn’t land Carl Nicks or George Yanda in FA. Both the Saints and Ravens are going to have a ton of free agent contracts to deal with and one of those guys is going to be available to the highest bidder. There is absolutely no reason we shouldn’t be that bidder. If Marvin is serious about being a power running team, he should camp out in Mike Brown’s lawn until he agrees to whatever money it takes to get one of those two guys. Then if you can land DeCastro or Glenn in the draft, that line is SCARY good all of a sudden. It wouldn’t even matter who you put at RB, and we could still get a Ball or Pead or Polk to do THAT. I get excited just thinking about it…

by eric nyc on Jan 2, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I still think you're being optimistic

And short-sighted. Zimmer’s defense needs a true shutdown #1 corner. Hall isn’t one. Jones isn’t one. Clements isn’t one. The only way you get one is to draft him in the 1st round or pay through the nose in FA. We already showed last year we’re not willing to do the second. Hall is not a #1 corner. Even if he comes back at 95% of what he was, which is an optimistic outlook, he’s still much better suited to play #2 receivers across from a real shutdown guy. He was playing out of position when he got hurt and that’s a big part of why the secondary struggled. Put a true #1 in there, move him back to #2, and we’ll be back to talking about how we have one of the top CB tandems in the league. But try to patch it all over with an aging Clements and an Adam jones (who is probably talent-wise about the same as Hall) and not only are you not improving the weakest group on the defense, but you’re not thinking towards the future. This team should be ALL ABOUT the future right now. We dont’ need to win a Super Bowl next year. But draft well this year and next and you could be talking about going to a BUNCH of Super Bowls by 2013 and beyond.

by eric nyc on Jan 2, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

noscript

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by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

A lilttle off topic But....

Jerry Jones makes Mike Brown look like one of the top Owners ever. Some of the moves Jerry makes is outrages (billion dollar “stage”, paid your off. Cord millions before he was the head coach) after the lost to NY yesterday he’s giving interviews. What owner does that in the nfl? Must be a texas thing with him and Mark Cuban. But I seriously would pock Mike Brown over Jerry

by cincyboi on Jan 2, 2012 10:19 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

* pick

But who cares about them.. WHO DEY NATION IS GOING TO THE PLAYOFFS!

by cincyboi on Jan 2, 2012 10:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

theres more than one way to head into the playoffs

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by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

best way to win vs houston

A. No Benson, play Scott and peerman so we can have a running game.

B. Spread them out, go 4 recievers with green Simpson hawk and Whalen. Let Andy throw quick passes and open up the running game.

C. Don’t let foster or Tate get huge runs like they did rice.

by JCompton41 on Jan 2, 2012 10:37 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

leonard

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by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

3rd downs of course

Nobody else I’d rather give the ball to on a 3rd down.

by JCompton41 on Jan 2, 2012 10:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I still don't get why that's the only time we see him

If the guy is so good in clutch spots, why not use him more often to avoid having to be backed into those spots to begin with? It’s not like he has durability issues. He could EASILY handle 10-15 touches a game. I wonder sometimes if it wasn’t for his reputation as being a “3rd down back” if he could legitimately be a feature back for someone. He was a high 2nd round pick out of Rutgers, and might have been even more highly rated if he hadn’t been put in the exact same role in college because he was playing behind Ray Rice. I really thought Gruden would find a way to use him more.

by eric nyc on Jan 2, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

i blame marvin and gruden for that

" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."

by palewook on Jan 2, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

hes not really fast, or that strong

I don’t think he has the skill set to be a feature back, but I do think he should have more plays for him in the playbook.

by JCompton41 on Jan 2, 2012 2:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

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