Cincy Jungle Mailbag: Wild Card Thoughts, Offseason Priorities and Bernard Scott
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The surprising and exciting 2011 season for the Cincinnati Bengals has come to a close with a resounding "thud". Though it was nice to see the team in the playoffs for the third time in the last seven years, they still looked unprepared for the big stage and unfortunately put forth their worst performance of those three recent postseason appearances.
With the playoff loss and the end of the season, all Bengals fans are naturally looking to the offseason and pointing to what the team must do to improve itself and finally get that elusive playoff victory. Many of you have already begun sounding off on what roster moves you'd like to see happen for the 2012 Bengals, so I also thought that that would be a good topic to chime in on.
First, some closing thoughts about Saturday's Wild Card loss to the Texans. Jason Garrison posted a clever series of five articles Sunday, in which he showed the spectrum of emotions that Bengals fans could be feeling after this tough loss. In the last article of the series, one dealing with acceptance, there was a particular comment that stuck out to me from commenter "quickslant":I, for one
Am still angry. How could this team be so ill prepared going into this game. So called hc candidates under marvins leadership totally flopped. They beat us w the most vanilla gameplan i have ever seen. Plyers need to make plays too. Rey m im looking at you. He didnt miss much but he needs to make a play. Crock and pacman are scapegoats, but not one defender stepped up yesterday. I cant say any different of any offense or special teams player. Tait had absolutely nowhere to go on punt or kick returns. No running holes, we missed open wr’s.
Agreed. We writers here at Cincy Jungle were hard-pressed to find any semblance of a Bengals MVP in this game because of the lack of a clutch performer. For a game that seemed to be between two evenly matched squads, the end result didn't show it, save for the first one and a half quarters. In fact, the game turned on a dime late in the second quarter. The Texans drove down for a score and on the ensuing Bengals possession, they got the big interception from J.J. Watt right before the half. The team went into the locker room deflated and were never the same the rest of the day.
I am of the opinion that a team is a reflection of their head coach. Bill Belichick's Patriots are tight-lipped, business-like professionals. Rex Ryan's Jets are cocky showboaters. These reflections could both work for and against these teams. Aside from not having his team prepared for the atmosphere of a road playoff game and not instilling the ability to overcome a disastrous play, Lewis looked downright rattled on Saturday. His team looked the same. He made two questionable challenges and their negative results definitely affected the psyche of the team. Challenging plays (or deciding not to challenge them) have long been a criticism of Lewis' coaching ability and that knock was on full display Saturday.
The biggest head-scratcher stems from what led to the play of the game. Tied at ten points each with around a minute and a half to play until halftime, Lewis and offensive coordinator Jay Gruden decided to be aggressive. This was a odd change from the Lewis that we all have come to know over the past nine seasons, as he's almost always conservative in this type of a situation--sometimes to a fault. I'm sure that we would have second-guessed Lewis' decision to be aggressive at that point, but with a rookie quarterback deep inside of his own territory on the road in a hostile playoff atmosphere while nursing a tie, it hardly seemed like a time to be uncharacteristically aggressive. It was just a bad decision in a string of them by Lewis in this game and the rest is history.
I think that all of Bengaldom is now wondering if Lewis is indeed the coach to get them that playoff win, as he's now 0-3 in the postseason with the Bengals. No one can deny what Lewis has done for this team--namely rebuilding it three times and taking each rebuilt squad to the playoffs-but with some of the other glaring needs on this roster, the team can't afford these types of in-game mistakes by the head coach if they expect to win in the postseason. Something to chew on: in 2003 when the Bengals were looking for a new head coach, they narrowed their search down to Tom Coughlin and Marvin Lewis. Electing to hire Lewis, he's gone 0-3 in the postseason, while Coughlin has won a Super Bowl and had another playoff victory last weekend. Did they make the right choice?
What should the Bengals do to improve themselves this offseason? With Josh Kirkendall's "bring them back" and "don't bring them back" articles earlier this week, his would-be decisions brought out some colorful commentary from our readers. In watching the Bengals during the last half of the season, it became painfully obvious what the weak areas of this team are.
Both sides of the ball need work. On defense, the following positions need to be addressed: safety, cornerback, and defensive tackle. A number of these positions can be address in-house. Re-signing key players on the line like Pat Sims (boy, was he missed on Saturday!), Jonathan Fanene and Frostee Rucker would be good ideas. I suppose that bringing back Robert Geathers wouldn't be a bad idea either, but he'd have to come back on a completely different contract than his previous one. I still think that they need to look at getting another big-bodied defensive tackle somewhere. They went light on the number of true defensive tackles in 2011, and when Sims went down with an injury, the run defense was exposed.
In the secondary, Reggie Nelson and Adam Jones are musts. Jones shouldn't be higher than a No. 3 or No. 4 corner, but depth at that position is key. I think the best move is to draft another corner within the first two rounds of the draft. Depending on his growth you could start him opposite Leon Hall or let him be mentored by Hall and veteran Nate Clements, as his finishes out his contract here. With the trio of receivers that both Baltimore and Pittsburgh have, having four capable cover men is crucial.
Nelson has really rejuvenated his career in Cincinnati and is one of the better safeties they've had over the past decade or so. It's apparent that Chris Crocker's career has passed him by and he shouldn't be here in any other role than that of a backup. Because of that, many fans are clamoring for the Bengals to draft a safety high and while that might be a good idea, I wouldn't be surprised if they hand Crocker's job over to Taylor Mays--especially if Mike Zimmer stays in Cincinnati. After all, the Bengals not only traded to get him from the 49ers, they contemplated trading up to get him in the 2010 draft.
Really the only positions that seem set on offense are tackle, center and quarterback. While A.J. Green has been a star in the wide receiver corps, his counterparts seemed to have let him down. Jordan Shipley coming back next year definitely helps, but who will man the outside? Fans seem to be mixed with their feelings about Jerome Simpson. As commenter "BengalFan024" points out, this basically is Simpson's rookie season seeing as how this was his first year as a full-time starter. But, as commenter "JCompton41" eloquently retorts ("that's crap"), Simpson has been with the team for four years and still hasn't seemed to find the consistency that this team needs.
Picking up guards via free agency and the draft should be priorities for the Bengals. Nate Livings and Mike McGlynn aren't the answer. I'm sure that ownership and the coaching staff will point to a low sack total when referring to not making a change in the interior of the line, but that's more of an indication of Dalton's scrambling ability than good guard play. I still maintain the opinion that Andre Smith should be plugged in at right guard with Anthony Collins (if re-signed) flanking him at
Many Bengals fans are disenchanted with Cedric Benson's lack of production and the attitude that comes with it. Though Benson may fit the bill as a "bell cow back" or an "AFC North type of runner", he isn't a West Coast Offense running back. Now, we have some indicting comments from offensive coordinator Jay Gruden about Benson. When we published this story, commenter "GoffChile" had an excellent post regarding this situation:
Benson is a proto-typical "bell cow"...
…between the tackles type back. The type of back you have if you run an "Air Coryell" style offense like we had when Palmer was quarterback. You counteract the deep threat, which loosens the safeties up, with a potent inside running game. This isn’t our offense anymore. Benson is a remnant from an offensive scheme that is long gone. Sure he wants the ball, but in our offense, you have to be able to pass block, catch passes out of the backfield, etc. These aren’t Benson’s strengths.Remember this name—Lamar Miller.
A true running back suited for this offense can do a little bit of everything: run between the tackles, use their shiftiness to go outside, and catch the ball out of the backfield. LeSean McCoy is the perfect example of this type of player. The Bengals really have one running back that's a "dual threat", and that's Brian Leonard. Save for Leonard and possibly Cedric Peerman, this is a position group that needs to be overhauled. Whether it's Lamar Miller, Trent Richardson (who I have my reservations about), or someone else, they need playmakers in this group.
Speaking of Bernard Scott, what exactly is he bringing to the table? I, like many Bengals fans, became frustrated with the perceived lack of usage of Scott after 2009. In that season, Scott had a 100-yard rushing game and a kickoff return for a touchdown that season as the Bengals used him as a backup running back and kick returner. He was averaging 31.5 yards per kickoff return and 13.4 yards per reception in 2009.
Since then, the return duties have been stripped from him and he only averaged 3.4 yards per carry with his career-high 112 attempts in 2011. Fans asked for Scott to be utilized more in this offense and the truth is that he was. He had career highs in attempts and receptions while rotating duties with Cedric Benson. The fact that he had career lows in both comes slightly expected because of the tendency of an average to drop with more touches, but not to the extent that it did with Scott. The big eye-opener was that the Bengals "speed back" only had 2.9 yards per reception. Some blame can be placed on the offensive line here, but this is simply an unacceptable stat because the screen pass should be a staple play in the West Coast offense.
While the Bengals could look at drafting a player relatively high to replace Benson, should Scott be under the microscope as well? I am of the opinion that they should at least be exploring the possibilities. For instance, if the Bengals were to hypothetically land a player like Michael Bush or Mike Tolbert in free agency, they could look at drafting LaMichael James out of the University of Oregon. Though James isn't looked at as an every-down back, he brings an enormous amount of big-play capability with his speed and versatility. At Oregon, James was their feature back who also lined up as a wide receiver many times and made numerous big plays. He's just the type of player that this offense needs. If he's there in the late second or third round, I'd think that the Bengals would have to think about grabbing him.
I like Scott and what he brings. However, 2.9 yards per catch and 3.4 yards per carry in a West Coast Offense and a rookie quarterback isn't getting it done. This offense needs a legitimate homerun threat, whether it's Scott or a player like James.
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The pass that Watt picked off was *not* that aggressive
Aggressive would be to go deep middle there. Dalton looked to be throwing an out – wouldn’t have been a big gain if Watt hadn’t taken it for the pick 6. If he was throwing the deep ball it wouldn’t have been so low at the LOS.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 11, 2012 10:35 AM EST reply actions
Last two games Bernard Scott dropped two passes
if I had any hope he’d be useful it would be in the James Brooks role. But you have to catch the ball first. He’s not the answer if he can’t catch.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 11, 2012 10:37 AM EST reply actions
as for scott
draft pead in the 4th round or later. let pead, scott, and peerman fight it out for rb slots 3-5 (we carried 5 in 2011 with a fb and 4 rbs)
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
here is what I would consider the bengals priority list:
1. Address the DC position if Zimmer leaves
2. Resign the veterans we want to keep
3. Address the SS position via FA or draft
4. Address the RB position via FA or draft
5. Address the OG position via FA or draft
6. Address the CB position via FA or draft
7. Add depth to remaining positions via draft
AMAS
There needs to be a WR to start opposite Green too!
Shipley is a slot man and Simpson isn’t the answer as a starter.
I agree
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
We have plenty of WRs
Who cares if non of them are the prototypical #2 guy? Those guys are a dime a dozen. We have a phenomenal #1, a very good slot guy in Shipley, and an oddball playmaker in Hawkins. Throw in Gresham and you’ve got a very good complement of receivers even if Andy Reid is your #2.
you might have missed something
who’s playing fs for your 2012 bengals? or assuming your point #2 covers guys like nelson, collins, and simms?
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
Priority Zero
is to find a replacement for Jim Lippincott who isn’t a family crony.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 11, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
O-line
Needs to learn to cut block. I read/heard somewhere that Dalton led the league in pass deflections at the LOS. It looked like it too. With so many short passes the D line just counts to 3 and jump.
"Next season will be better" circa 1990
he's short, has a relatively poor o-line, and rarely looks off defenders.
that’s a bad combo for getting deflections at the line
The problem with Scott being a speed back is that...
…he isn’t that fast. I know everyone remembers his kick off return against the Steelers, but watch that play again. Quan Cosby, who was not the fastest guy on the team btw, blocked 7 guys, ate a picnic lunch, dropped a deuce, and still almost beat Scott to the endzone.
Scott’s strength is his open field vision and ability to make quick cuts, not his break away speed. In my mind, he will never be more than a utility back that can share carries and occasionally make a play. The Bengals should work on getting him the ball in the open field, in the flat, wheel routes etc, but I don’t foresee him as the “main back” ever.
I agree, we could use an overhaul at RB/FB. It seems like we are moving towards a RBBC approach, which I’m all for. We need a true speed back that can catch. We also need a Tolbert/Hillis style bruiser for goal line carries. Can Pressley be that guy? Can Leonard? I don’t know but we need someone.
I agree with most of your points but
Scott showed some breakaway speed turning the corner in the Ravens game
Scott is a well rounded back, just not a great one
He fights for more yardage and keeps his legs churning. Benson is speed back, even though he isn’t fast. How fast you can run doesn’t determine what kind of RB you are. Just because Benson isn’t that fast doesn’t make him a power back. Dragging guys and breaking tackles would do that, but he doesn’t do that. Scott tries to, but isn’t really good at it. He’s not bad, but he’s not great. Scott’s also better at Benson at finding the running lanes and bursting through holes, but he’s not great at that either.
i finally have the correct term for Benson.... Bell cow
since we cant agree he is a bruiser or speed burner…. I think “bell cow” works…. But I think scott will get his fair chance next year, unless we draft Richardson or pick up a FA RB.
AMAS
Benson doesnt fit here
and marvin is to soft.
Sorry marvin 9 years has been long enough we should be looking to promote zimmer instead of lose him. he seems to get the most from his players.
THAT is a novel idea
Novel. Yet way too wacky for this franchise. Plus, I giggled after I read the line “Michael Bush or Mike Tolbert in free agency” above. I mean, that is cute and all, but are we really believing that this team will add players via free agency? That has NEVER been this organization’s style. However, I am high on LaMichael James and agree that he can’t be the “main” back. I know this is the AFC North and all, but what about just running back by committee. I wouldn’t mind being the New Orleans Saints for a while…
I don't know how I feel about LaMichael James...
He’s just so small, and has durability concerns. I would love to get Trent Richardson, but if you want more of a speed back, take a look at Lamar Miller and David Wilson. They are both very fast and actually have some size, strength, and tackle breaking ability. David Wilson supposedly ran a 4.29 40 at Virginia Tech, but their times might be slightly inflated.
I don't recall James having durability issues
His elbow was dislocated, but I’m not recalling any other injuries.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Jan 11, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Durability CONCERNS
not issues. Because of his size there are concerns, though he hasn’t had too many issues in college, he also isn’t playing against the best competition.
I know exactly how I feel about James
F*ck him.
He’s a one-trick pony from a gimmick offense. He’d be a liability as a 3rd down back ‘cause he doesn’t know how to block a pass rush.
He’s also another “questionable character” guy as he pled down a domestic violence abuse case. He was also too stupid to pass the Texas HS math test so u of o paid Willie Lyles to get him transferred to an Arkansas HS so he could gain entrance into Oregon (where he subsequently somehow became an honor student, lol).
Then again, these attributes generally seem to make players MORE attractive to Mike Brown, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see him as a Bengal.
Promote Marvin, too
To GM. Marvin has an eye for talent and apparently he’s now showing he can influence Mike Brown in positive ways. I think we’ve seen the most we can get from Marvin as HC, but I think he would be excellent as a GM.
Exactly correct,
and Anthony is correct as well that Marvin looked rattled. Remember, this was his first road playoff game and he definitely looked scared and coached that way.
+1000, They would walk through fire for him (Great motivator) unlike Marvin
"What we do in this life echoes in eternity"
Maximus*
I think we all agree, the Bengals can productively upgrade quite a few positions
but the draft will only provide 3 or 4 starters in 2012 if we have an excellent draft.
Which spots, if upgraded in the draft, get us a playoff win?
To me, its great defense and a running game to complement AJ Green and Dalton. The Bengals like to run so I got to believe they will fully address their lack of it in the draft with a RB picked by the second round. How can they have a great defense? Re-sign Sims, draft a big body to back him up later in the draft and get one of those Alabama linebackers and a corner in the first round. Use the third round to start building depth on both the O and D lines by getting best linemen available.
Marvin Lewis will never win a playoff game. I am convinced of that. Look to replace him after the 2012 season with a coach with prior playoff success.
Scott
I cannot defend him. He did have plenty of opps and did improve later in the season but his numbers were surprisingly low. I do question if that was due to the fact of rotting on the sidelines knowing a washed up sideways stepper will always be one step ahead of him on the depth chart. He did answer the one complaint fans had going into this season, his durability. maybe keep him for one more year ?
by ExNFLScout on Jan 11, 2012 1:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
RB'S
Benson is burnt toast, but I wouldn’t give up on Scott quite yet. We have to draft a decent running back without question.
I have said it before and I have not seen any argument that convinces me I am wrong.
We need to replace both Benson and Scott. Scott is only a backup guy and Benson is neither big enough, fast enough or strong enough to take us where we need to go.
We need to safeties. Crocker is a joke and Nelson is, again, only a suitable back up.
We need two Corners. Hall is good but please show me a Hayden somewhere on this team. Every team in the AFCN has one but us.
We need two Guards or a possible reshuffle of what we have and one Guard. I have been saying it for over a month. Put Collins at RT, move Smith to his more natural side and put him at RG between Cook and Whit and draft or preferably grab a proven FA to play RG. Maybe both. Livings needs to go and the jury is out on Boling but he isn’t showing me much. I would look for a good T in the 3rd to convert to a RG. We ned more athleticism in the G position.
That is six players, not just players but solid upgrades in six different starting positions. We may find four in the draft is we get real lucky. The other two will probably need to be FAs. I would give big time consideration to Hillis and get Richardson if we can without trading up. I would keep Leonard in his current role and use both Richardson and Hillis a ball carrying backs. I like Pressaly but he is just a blocking back and we need more from the position.
If we do not do this AT LEAST we have little chance of improving our position in the league.
We also need to look closely at the Oline and DB coaching. The Oline guys are simply under performing and the DBs seem to be constantly out of position. WRs are catching balls against us with nobody within 20 feet of them on a regulat basis whereas our WRs always seem to have to make great catches in traffic with DBs draped over them. Opposing RBs seem to find holes where they aren’t even touched until the second level whereas our RBs seldom get to the LOS without someone putting their hands on them.
It is time we took off the rose colored glasses and stopped swooning over Green, Gresham, Dalton and our Dline and take a serious look at guys who just aren’t getting it done, get them out of here and go out and get what we need. If we don’t it will be one and done in the post season in a good year again.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
I agree with almost everything you said
Though I’d be ok with Nelson starting at FS if it’s because we spent so much money bringing in stellar guys at other positions like SS, LG, CB, and RB.
OK slow down dude. I agree with the general skepticism that everyone is swooning over Green and co.
However, you’ve taken it too far into the “cut every player” camp.
You know very well that no team, especially not the Bengals is willing to have that much turnover at EIGHT (not six) signifiant positions in one offseason, right?
Be realistic man, they aren’t going to make that much change in one offseason. And cut the crap with the “Ive been saying it for months” and “Ill say it again”.
My point is, you have unrealistically radical expectations of a football franchise (no football franchise would replace that many players that the trusted to start one season before, and especially when those 8 players got them to the playoffs)
Seriously, cut it with the holier than thou stance, especially when your bold claims have little substance
Said what I said. Meant what I said. I retract nohting until someone can give me a reason to change my mind.
I don’t expect them to be able to change that many positions on one off season. I am just pointing what I seeas the problems. What I have said is what I think we need to do to upgrade these positions if we hope to be on the same level as the elite. That is my opinion and I have a right to it This is what you call a discussion It is called expressine yourself and putting ideas out there and listening to counter arguments. If you disagree give me a counter argument and if it is a good one I will change my mind. Until you then, “seriously”, you cut the crap. OR maybe you think everything is fine the way it is. I don’t. Really man, it isn’t like anything we say here is going to change the course of the team. BTW, nowhere did I say cut every player. I say cut those who are continuously costing us games and replace them with guys who can actually make plays.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
If thats how you want to be a fan, fine
Just be ready to be disappointed when they dont put together pro bowlers at every position.
Okay,.......-facepalm
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Oops, again. Put Smith at LG.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
It seems as though everyone want pro bowlers at every position
Steelers have what I consider to be a less than average OL but it doesn’t stop them…I like our OL. Winning games isnt easy…to me the only position we need to fill is Rb…we could take the same team with a more suitable west.coast style running backs and do much better IMO
by stripes earner on Jan 11, 2012 1:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Besides our starting guards
I like our line also. And I wonder about Cook… why does he need Livings to tap him to snap the ball?
by Oregonbengalsfan on Jan 11, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
i would expect the steelers to address their o line issue in this years draft and FA
there is no way ben would last a couple more years with the o line that they have now. But I hope they keep the same players but I highly doubt that they will.
AMAS
I am not sure you really are spot on here.
I certainly don’t expect probowlers at every position. But I do expect that the positions that are not at a probowl level or at least above average to be competant. IMO Crocker and Livings are not competant – they are performing below average. I also think is is not inappropriate to work toward replaceing average players with above average ones That begins with an honest appraisal of every position and identifying the areas that need improving. I am sure that the Steelers organization is grading their Oline for example and working towards fixing the weak areas either thru better coaching or better personell. Crocker, for example is a fine athlete but he just isn’t a playmaker. Now if Nelson was a real playmaker in the mold of Troy we could get by with an average guy on the other side of the field. We need upgrades in six positions IMO. They do not need to be probowlers but the need to be football players – not just good athletes.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
I was theorizing that two positions could be upgraded by shuffling current personell
Like I said, IMO, Smith could be a very good RG and that Boling just might be okay as he may have not played well enough due to no OTAs and the fact that Gs sometimes take a year or two to get their feet under them. Upgrading 8 positions in one year is almost impossible, 6 positions is a stretch but is an outside possibility if the draft goes exceptionaly well and we find a couple of FA that suit the bill. Four positional upgrades is very doable though. I can see three through the draft and hopefully one in FA.. My priority would beG, SS, CB, RB the order determined by BPA.
BeWarned, I have absolutely no problem with anyone disagreeing with me. The discussion is what is fun here for me. There are times when, in the midst of “Green is awsome” and “Dalton is great” and “Gresham is going to be great” etc.when the fan bases eyes are glazing over, that I will propose something out of the box just to get the discussion moving in another direction. If you are going to attack – attack my position thru logic and fact – believe me, I will admit when you are right. We can discuss and even argue and in the end one of us will either be swayed or we can agree to disagree. It happens all the time. But, when you attack me personally, well, you just lose credibility with me and I kind of disregard your argument. If you want to discuss football it is probably best to direct your comments toward to real discussion rather than the personal.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
It was the same argument BeWarned. BTW my math is quite good.
Two Bachelors Degrees in Engineering from OSU. It is interesting though, 62 years of life experience and a good education and I still find myself learning from those much younger and less experienced than myself. IMO, that is a really good thing. Please, teach me some of what you know thru good discussion. I am always looking for more knowledge.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
This is currently a Passing league. WE NEED SHUTDOWN CORNERS!
So that our front 7 can “do what they do” pressure the QB !!
What were we this year, 3rd in sacks??
"What we do in this life echoes in eternity"
Maximus*

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