Grading the 2011 Bengals: Quarterback
For the first time since 1969, when the Bengals started rookie Greg Cook out of the University of Cincinnati, Cincinnati started a rookie at the quarterback position when the team took the field in the first game of the season. Carson Palmer's trade demand and threat of retirement forced the Bengals' hand in the draft to select a quarterback. They did so in the second round when they picked TCU quarterback Andy Dalton.
Dalton started every game this season and even though he didn't finish two of them he led the Bengals to a 9-7 record and helped them lock up a spot in the playoffs as a wildcard team. Unfortunately, the Benglas weren't able to win their first playoff game in 21 years but the fact that they were there considering they had a rookie quarterback, No. 1 receiver and a rookie offensive coordinator was good enough for most fans.
Andy Dalton finished the season with impressive stats for a starting rookie. He completed 300 of 516 passes for 3,398 yards, 20 touchdowns and 13 interceptions and had a quarterback rating of 80.4 in the regular season. His numbers, and the fact that he helped lead the Bengals to the playoffs, will put him in the conversation for the league's Offensive Rookie of the Year. However, his season is easily divided into two parts.
In the first eight games of the season, things were great for the Bengals and Bengals fans, as well as for Dalton. Dalton had three games in which he had over a 100 passer rating. He threw 12 touchdowns to only seven interceptions and led the Bengals to a 6-2 record. In those first eight games, the Bengals only played three teams who finished with a .500 record or better, the Broncos (8-8), the 49ers (13-3) and the Titans (9-7). The Bengals lost to the Broncos and 49ers.
The last eight games of the season were much different. The Bengals played the Steelers and Ravens twice as well as other good teams. In those eight games, Dalton only had one game in which he had a passer rating of over 100 and threw eight touchdowns and six interceptions. They played six games against teams that had .500 or better records (Steelers, Ravens, Texans and Cardinals) and ended up going 3-5 in those eight games. Dalton struggled against the league's toughest defenses at the end of the year. However, due to Week 17 losses by the Jets and Broncos, the Bengals were able to secure a playoff spot.
They faced the Houston Texans, who beat them in Week 14 by one point, on the road. In the playoffs, Andy Dalton had one of the worst game of his rookie season and as a result, the Bengals lost by a score of 31-10, ending their season. Dalton completed 27 of 42 passes for 257 yards, no touchdowns and three interceptions for a passer rating of 51.4.
Dalton has had a good year considering what he walked into. He came to Cincinnati to replace Carson Palmer, who walked away from the Bengals after the 2010 season. He came to Cincinnati in the middle of a lockout, which took away the majority of the offseason practices and he was working with a rookie offensive coordinator. Even though Dalton had some typical rookie struggles throughout the season, it's hard to consider Dalton a rookie. Perhaps his greatest strength this season was his poise. Dalton was able to dust himself off after making a mistake, keep his emotions in check and lead the Bengals to a touchdown on the very next drive. That's something that veteran quarterbacks do, but usually not rookies. His leadership and his poise make me excited for the future in Cincinnati than almost anything else.
Dalton had an impressive season. He succeeded without having the support of an effective running game and through the second half of the season, the defense took a slight nose dive in both run and pass defense. Dalton played well against the poor defenses in the first half of the season and struggled against the better defenses in the second half of the season, but that's the way it should be. He depended too much on his No.1 receiver A.J. Green, but, in his defense, he didn't have a consistent No. 2 receiver on the other side of the field. If Dalton is given a new receiver or two that can be relied on more than Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell and if he has a better running game behind him, the sky's the limit for him.
For what he was able to do in Cincinnati and factoring in the challenges that faced him heading into the season and throughout the season, Dalton, who took the vast majority of the snaps at quarterback this season, has earned himself a grade of B (if you could grade potential, he would get an A).
One thing is for certain, with Dalton under center, the Cincinnati Bengals have a bright future.
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I've been waiting for this.....but to say that I have my concerns on Dalton.
He excels in the area of pocket presence. That’s something you can’t teach, so I don’t think he will regress. But I’m worried this may be about as good as he gets.
There are some accuracy issues and some issues w/ arm strength. Can he overcome that w/ a mediocore rushing attack behind him? Hopefully. This year teams started to play more against the pass later in the season, b/c it doesn’t matter what D you run against the Bengals, the running game won’t work.
The biggest question: if not for AJ Green, does he have anywhere near the kind of season he had? Honestly, I think so, or at least the drop off would not be huge. But it’s not something to ignore.
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its tought to say if he would have the same season if AJ wasn't here
i think he would have… Simpson a had few games with over a 100yrds. But I think that since AJ is able to just go up and get it, there was no reason for Andy to adjust. If AJ wasn’t here, I think Andy would of had to adjust his passes to be more accommodating for other WR.
AMAS
another question
if not for AJ Green, does he have anywhere near the kind of season he had?
good question.
But flipping it around, i wonder, “if not for Dalton, does AJ Green have anywhere near the season he had?”
What if Gradkowski was our QB?
Would Green have been a pro-bowl WR?
I don’t know…just wondering aloud….
Dalton threw 373 yards agains the Ravens D in week 11 without A.J.
I know he threw 3 int’s in the game but still he had a heck of a game against a heck of a D without Green. And he should rightfully have had another TD because of that BS review nullifying Greshams TD.
RE:
Agree here. The dreaded “sophomore slump” scares me about Dalton. However, I think with some improvements on the line, as well as a legitimate running game that includes backs that are dangerous out of the backfield as receivers, Dalton should continue to improve.
2012 will be the big measuring stick with Dalton. He’ll have A.J., Gresham, Shipley, as well as a full training camp and his OC coming back. With some improvements here or there, there should not be any excuses for him to improve.
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by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 11, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
what I noticed as the season progressed
his progression deminished, at the start, he would check to the open player whether they cought the pass before or not, as the season wore on, he started locking on to the players he trusted, my hope is this doesn’t continue.
personally
I don’t want to see Marvin fired, I want him to be promoted to G.M. while handing the reigns over to Zimmer as head coach and hiring Jack Del Rio as Defensive Coordinator. Who Dey!!!
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM EST replyactions 2 recs
DP daily poll
It was if you were going to start a franchise which QB would you choose? Dalton, Bradford, Tebow, or Sanchez. Dalton won so it looks like we aren’t the only ones that see his potential. IMO he doesn’t have a elite arm but it’s his decisions making and game management that makes him special. He has that will to win that some QB’s don’t possess, like the Bills game it was like he just refused to loose. After seeing him perform like did as a rookie there is no way you can’t be excited about the Red Rifle.
by Bigcatdaddy on Jan 11, 2012 12:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
who's to say his arm doesn't get better?
I think he willl develop his arm more this off season but it will be nothing like carson’s. The thing that excites me the most about Andy is his leadership, he seems to have a good handle on things. There is no doubt in my mind that he will get better, especially with a full off season.
AMAS
JaMarcus Russell had one heck of an arm
he could fling the ball about 60 or 80 yards in the air, while sitting (or kneeling, i forget) on the ground.
but Pennington could barely get the ball half that distance, but i’d take Pennington over Russell any day of the week as my QB.
so if Dalton’s arm stays as it is, which isn’t all that terrible….then i’m o.k. with that.
anyone but sanchez
Dalton, Bradford, Tebow, or Sanchez
of the 3, he has had the best weapons around him and has done the the least with them
It would be interesting to see what Dalton, Bradford or Tebow could do with 2 former pro-bowl WR’s (Holmes & Burress) and a great pass catching RB (LT) and a good TE (Keller).
Dalton was good for what he had to deal with:
+Very limited offseason
+Rookie off-coord
+2 new starting WR’s, including a rookie
+Faced some of the best defenses each week (Cle, Pit, Bal, Hou, SF, Sea, Ten) 10 games vs. the top 8 defenses
But the question remains:
Is he a quick learner who already maxed out, or is he just starting to develop into something special?
I’m hoping for the 2nd, but I think it will take 1 more season before we can fairly answer that.
The question you bolded is exactly what I was trying to get at in my first post.
Have to improve the offensive line and the running game before truly judging him, as both were epically bad this year.
Change gone come mane! Trust me! Cause i Bleed tigerblood!--Jerome Simpson
ooh, i like that....
If we could get some better guards than McGlynn & Livings, that would open up the running game (which would help the passing game), give Dalton more time to find an open receiver, allow our TE’s to go out for passes more, and so forth
you two are voicing some very legitimate concerns which i agree with entirely
next season, Dalton needs to answer whether he is the “franchise QB” or not.
Honestly...
If Jay Gruden was my coach I would want to run through walls for him.
I believe in Dalton
I believe his arm strength can get better
I believe he will have better mastery of this offense
I believe he will learn to read defenses better
I know he will continue to command his huddle
I believe his career will mirror Drew Brees (except the injured shoulder and new team part)
....on a completely off topic note, Dolphins hire Fisher. Looks like Zimmer stays another year.
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yoohoo
"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"
by ticalcaldwell on Jan 11, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
link? or reference
"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"
by ticalcaldwell on Jan 11, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Found this from Miami Spots Buzz
MiamiSportsBuzz
Jeff Fisher agrees to coach Miami Dolphins – Sources have told us at MiamiSportsBuzz that Jeff Fisher will accept the position as the new coach of the Miami Dolphins and an announcement will come later this week. Fisher will accept what is widely believed to be a 5 year deal worth over 6 million a year.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Jan 11, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
that fricking ROCKS
especially with M. Schottenheimer interviewing at Tampa
personally
I don’t want to see Marvin fired, I want him to be promoted to G.M. while handing the reigns over to Zimmer as head coach and hiring Jack Del Rio as Defensive Coordinator. Who Dey!!!
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM EST replyactions 2 recs
And Chud interviewing in St Louis
but people are saying that Fisher to Miami still isn’t confirmed
by Oregonbengalsfan on Jan 11, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Rumors apparently are running rampant
@jmpeltz
Jeremy Marks-Peltz
As a member of @ESPN760, I would like to make it clear that ESPN Radio DID NOT report Jeff Fisher to the #Dolphins.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Jan 11, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
i have a feeling that zimmer was bait to get Fisher to sign with the Dolphins
whether he really did or not we will find out soon
AMAS
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Beware of the Bucs and Rams now. Bucs could be a sleeper to get Zim.
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by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 11, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
but they hired M. Schottenheimer yesterday and his son is available for their offense, I think that’s there route
personally
I don’t want to see Marvin fired, I want him to be promoted to G.M. while handing the reigns over to Zimmer as head coach and hiring Jack Del Rio as Defensive Coordinator. Who Dey!!!
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM EST replyactions 2 recs
not hired...interviewed
personally
I don’t want to see Marvin fired, I want him to be promoted to G.M. while handing the reigns over to Zimmer as head coach and hiring Jack Del Rio as Defensive Coordinator. Who Dey!!!
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM EST replyactions 2 recs
Their*...dammit too excited to type
personally
I don’t want to see Marvin fired, I want him to be promoted to G.M. while handing the reigns over to Zimmer as head coach and hiring Jack Del Rio as Defensive Coordinator. Who Dey!!!
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM EST replyactions 2 recs
Disagree
By all accounts, the Bucs are leaning heavily toward hiring a coach who has previous Head Coaching experience. Mike Sherman – former Packers HC – is rumored to be the leading candidate.
Not sure Zim makes a whole lot of sense in TB. Why would you replace a coach who was a former DC and had never been a HC before (Rahim Morris) with another D-coordinator who has never been a HC before (Zimmer)? That really makes no sense.
Zimmer is on the margins (at best) of TB’s coaching search.
by The_Black_Stripes on Jan 11, 2012 2:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Disagree
By all accounts, the Bucs are leaning heavily toward hiring a coach who has previous Head Coaching experience. Mike Sherman – former Packers HC – is rumored to be the leading candidate.
Not sure Zim makes a whole lot of sense in TB. Why would you replace a coach who was a former DC and had never been a HC before (Rahim Morris) with another D-coordinator who has never been a HC before (Zimmer)? That really makes no sense.
Zimmer is on the margins (at best) of TB’s coaching search.
by The_Black_Stripes on Jan 11, 2012 2:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would give Dalton a C+
Early on it was an easy “A” but I would have liked to see marked improvement from 1st AFCN games and the secomd time through or 1st Texans game and the Wild card game. I just hope a full offseason will make a huge improvement.
"Next season will be better" circa 1990
I would give Dalton an A in the rookie category but a C overall compared to everyone else..
I think he can be an A but lets face it, good as he can be, he was still a rookie.
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by JUNGLEJOHN on Jan 11, 2012 1:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Almost agree with Junglejohn
Based on what I expected out of Dalton he clearly gets an A.
Compared to other veteran QB’s, I’d give him a B+. A 9-7 record with more TD’s than INT’s and a decent rating of 80.4 is not bad at all.
From what I saw (granted I didn’t see every game) Dalton looked a little shaky his first game or two, then for the next 8 games or so he was zipping the ball with great precision. The last part of the season he seemed to have lost some of the accuracy and zip.
I do wonder if that loss of accuracy and zip on the ball was due to a lingering injury, fatigue, or more pressure from defenses.
There are two aspects to a QB’s game, the mental and physical. He’s got it in terms of mental, which I think is harder to develop, and I think in time he will develop the physical. I’m excited about his future with the Bengals!
I think his late season collapse of sort
came because he stopped trusting his receivers except Green and Defenses quit playing to stop the run
personally
I don’t want to see Marvin fired, I want him to be promoted to G.M. while handing the reigns over to Zimmer as head coach and hiring Jack Del Rio as Defensive Coordinator. Who Dey!!!
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM EST replyactions 2 recs
A for being a rookie on a MB/ML team
B- in comparison to other AFC QB’s. He has great potential, is a strength rather than liability and hope he has a good running game to complement his receiving corps.

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