2012 Depth Chart
by biggie22 on Jan 19, 2012 3:54 PM EST
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Round 1
#17 David DeCastro - Guard
#21 Janoris Jenkins - CB
Round 2
Doug Martin - RB
Round 3
Bobbie Massie OT
Round 4
Dequan Menzie CB/S
Round 5
Derreck Wolfe - DT
Jerry Franklin - ILB
Round 6
?? - TE
Round 7
?? - WR
Free Agents
As much as I want us to go out and get some big named free agents (guard/safety), I realistically do NOT see it happening, especially with the abundant amount of draft picks we have this year. The only position I can see them maybe going after agressively in free agency is maybe WR, and that's only because we have a track record of going after them and with such a young recieving corp. they may see value in adding a reliable veteran to the mix. Therfore, I'm predicting (after we sign our own players) the only big name FA we will go after this year is Reggie Wayne and the rest of the free agents we target will be mid level (or versatile) players to fill holes and add depth.
WR - Reggie Wayne (Colts)
G/C - Jeremey Zuttah (Tampa Bay)
OLB/DE - Anthony Spencer (Dallas)
Offense
1. QB - Andy Dalton
2. QB - Bruce Gradkowski
1. RB - Doug Martin (R) Round 2 - He is my breakout back in the draft. I see him in the same mold as a Ray Rice or MJD, short in stature @ 5'9 but a very powerful runner who weighs in @ over 200lbs. He's already shown his athleticism and versatililty as an underclassman in college when they had him playing some LB and Safety because of injuries to the defense. He can block and catch the ball out of the back field as well.
2. RB - Benard Scott
3. RB - Cedric Peerman
1. FB - Chris Pressley
2. FB - Brian Leonard
1. TE - Jermaine Gresham
2. TE - Colin Cochart
3. TE - Bo Scaife
1. WR - AJ Green
2. WR - Jordan Shipley (IR) - It shoud benefit us greatly to get Jordan back into the mix, he is a natural slot pocession receiver who has a knack for finding the open holes in the defense
3. WR - Reggie Wayne - Free agent aquisition (mentor the young receiving corp)
4. WR - Andrew Hawkins
5. WR - Armon Binns
6. WR - Ryan Whalen
O-Line
1. T - Andrew Whitworth
1. T - Andre Smith
**1A. T - Anthony Collins - Super Sub that we need to resign but unfortunately may not be able to
2. T - Dennis Roland
2. T - Bobbie Massie - (R) Round 3 (if we cannot resign Collins we will need to address a back up tackle).
1. G - David DeCastro (R) Round 1 - Consensus number 1 guard in the draft who has been dominant in both run and passing blocking, we are fortunate to have him fall to us.
1. G - Bobbie Williams - We need to resign (2 year deal)
2. G - Clint Boling
2. G - Otis Hudson
1. C - Kyle Cook
2. C/G - Jeremey Zuttah
Defense
1. CB - Leon Hall (IR) As long as he can come back healthy he will be a big lift to our secondary, unfortunately he may have to start the season on the PUP list.
1. CB - Nate Clements
1A. CB - Adam Jones (FA) - After an internal debate with myself I've decided we should resign Pacman because IMO he's actually a very good 3rd CB.
1A. CB - Janoris Jenkins (R) Round 1 - Very good in coverage with huge upside
2. CB - Brandon Ghee
CB/S - DeQuan Menzie (R) Round 4 - Versatility is the key, he can play both CB and Safety. We can start out utilizing him at SS, in obvious passing situations
1. S - Reggie Nelson
2. S - Jeromey Miles
1. S - Taylor Mays
2. S - Robert Sands
DT - Geno Atkins
DT - Johnathon Fanene
DT - Pat Simms
DT - Domata Peko
DT - Nick Hayden
DT - Derreck Wolfe (R) Round 5 - He's a big, tough, athletic playmaker who can add even more depth to our defensive front.
DE - Carlos Dunlap
DE - Michael Johnson
DE - Frostee Rucker
DE - Robert Geathers
OLB/DE - Anthony Spencer
ILB/OLB - Rodderic Muckelroy (IR) If he can come back healthy, I expect him to really push Rey for the starting ILB position.
ILB/OLB - Brandon Johnson We need to get him resigned, he's our super sub who is very versatile
1. OLB - Thomas Howard
1. OLB - Keith Rivers (IR) Hopefully he can come back healthy and play to level Manny Lawson acheived this past year.
2. OLB - Donte Moch
3. OLB - Vincent Rey
1. ILB - Rey Mauluga
2. ILB - Dan Scuta
3. ILB - Jerry Franklin (R) Round 5
Specialist
1. LS - Clark Harris
1. P - Kevin Huber
1. K - Mike Nugent
Here are the players that we will more than likely NOT resign or we will cut.
Cedric Benson
Jerome Simpson
Kelly Jennings
Chris Crocker
Nate Living
Mike McGlynn
Andre Caldwell
Brandon Tate
Donald Lee
Manny Lawson
** In all honesty, Anthony Collins should be put here as well but I can't bare to put his name on the list
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Explain why we'll let Lawson & Fanene walk? Financial?
Dude, Lawson & Fanene were both Outstanding this season!!
Mikey’s a little bit different Mikey this year. Isn’t he?
or am I kidding myself.
I can’t see Marvin (with his apparent new powers) being a defensive minded coach
letting these 2 get away even if he has to stand-up to Mikey.
I mean, Okay….we can replace lawson (as much as I’d hate to see him go).
But Fanene?? NO WAY!
He’s Family (a real Bengal). The guy ALWAYS suits up and shows up
and does what has to be done and never complains, and always plays “all out”!!
He has the heart of a lion and is a “veteran” presence in the locker room, not
to mention he’s part of the Maualuga,and Peko clan as well.
"What we do in this life echoes in eternity"
Maximus*
I don't think we'd re-sign Lawson,
with Rivers coming back. He’s as good or better than Rivers, but we don’t need to pay two WILLs. Fanene had a great year, yes, but he might command a lot of money. I think if it’s between him and a big FA like Carl Nicks, I’d let him walk.
Andy Dalton: An American Hero
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 19, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take Lawson over Rivers any day.
Im a fan of Rivers, however he is a borderline bust. He fails to make any big plays, and isn’t much of a run stopper.
+1
Hope we keep Lawson.
"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche
by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 20, 2012 7:59 AM EST up reply actions
Don't get me wrong (gratefulmax)
I wish we would keep both Lawson and Fanene, but I think they end up keeping Rivers (as long as he’s healthy) because they already have him locked up. As for Fanene, eventhough I agee Mikey has changed, I think money will come into play somewhat because I would not be surprised to see both Fanene and Simms and test the market and the Bengals will end up having to make a decision between the two and since Simms is comming off of an injury I think they will be able to lock him up for a better price. Again, I personally would love to resign both guys just don’t know if it will happen
HMMMMM
I don’t see us signing a cornerback and then drafting 2 high in the draft, even though it has been said on a lot of draft sites that Johnson could be moved to safety. Also, DeCastro will not make it to the 17th pick.
If we don't sign Pacman
We are going to have to do something because Leon may very well begin the Seson on the PUP list
I'm not saying he needs to be our #1 or even our #2
I’m just saying he’s a speed WR who is down field threat that the defense has to account for they can be burned. Just think how much we worry about covering Torrey Smith when we play Ravens, he’s actually not a great WR but he is a threat you have to account for when game plan to play the Ravens.
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Doug Martin we should grab in the 2nd and Trumaine Johnson in the 3rd, otherwise Doug won’t be there in the 3rd. He’ll impress a lot of people at the combine.
What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.
by jimbasa on Jan 19, 2012 8:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Doug Martin
I’m glad others like Doug Martin as much as I do. I think he along with Miller in the 1st would be awesome and eventually be the best backfield in the nfl. Doug reminds me of Ray Rice. This kid doesn’t have injury history and known as a workout warrior. Doug also has the body mold and shape like MJD and R Rice. I’m really pulling for Martin. I think he reminds also of Dalton, a WINNER. Maybe not the flashiest numbers but I really think he’s got the “it” factor.
If you don’t know who this kid (RB) is check out his profile. Run/catch/KR/Block, most importantly CHARACTER
I like the Doug Martin pick as well
May not have the “flash” of top-end speed a lot of people are wanting from a Lamar Miller/David Wilson, but I agree with him having the “it” factor. If the Bengals land a monster guard or two, Martin could flourish as easily as any other RB. I think he would definitely buy into Marvin’s go-to-work attitude and find ways to produce. Plus he breaks arm tackles, so he’s already an instant upgrade to Benson.
Bengals fan since day one.
Cardinals fan since I realized I had a choice.
Doug Martin
Martin also blocks, has great hands, and has a better body to handle getting beat up. DOESNT FUMBLE EITHER
Draft/FA
I like both FA’s: Nicks and Finnegan. I also think Grimes would be nice. Those 2 positions are the only one’s I would seek in FA
Draft:
1.Claiborne, Trent, DeCastro, Kirkpatrick, Barron, Branch, Jenkins
B. any ^ or Miller, Brockers, Ingram
2. (BA) G/TE/DT/DE wouldn’t have a prob reaching for Doug Martin here either
3. Doug Martin
4. Jake Bequette, Isaiah Pead (only if we don’t get RB in 1st), (BA) DT/DE/C
5. MIke Martin DT, Brian Linthicum TE, Winston Guy Jr S, Chris Rainey ST
5. Chris Rainey ST
6. Tydreke Powell DT
I like that you are looking at TEs..
No one else seems to be and I don’t get it. We have one true athlete at TE in Gresham. Cochart is more of a utility guy, less of a playmaker (though maybe I’m wrong). When you look at Gronk/Hernandez in NE and how that style is being brought to our division with Dickerson/Pitta, you need to have an answer of your own. Gresh is a great start. Another strong athletic TE in round 4 5 or 6 would be awesome.
TE option
There are many, many different ways to go in this draft. If Trent falls to us I really think the Bengals should focus on offense during the draft because I really think it will be possible to pick to have a draft of:
1.Trent Richardson
b. Jenkins
2. Coby Fleener
3. Doug Martin
I know ppl will be yelling for G but if they address this issue during FA with Nicks, the Bengals offense would be wicked potent.
Just put this down on paper: Shipley, Whitworth, Boling, Cook, Nicks, Smith, Gresham, Green
backfield= Dalton, Martin on left Richardson on right.
Both RB’s can block, run, and catch JUST WICKED
Vincent Jackson
I also think Jackson would be a great fit for the Bengals. Seriously, think about this:
Jackson, Whitworth, Boling, Cook, Nicks, Smith, Gresham, Green
Dalton
Martin, Richardson
Does anyone that followed this team for ANY period of time
really think were going to target or sign Nicks and Finnegan…this is CincyJungle for fans of thre Bengals in case you accidently wondered here by mistake.
Innegan isn't exactly someone we need, is he?
He defends the slot and run primarily, right? We need someone on the outside with some speed to cover the Mike Wallace and Torrey Smiths of the North. I think Cort could be almost like a Troy Polamalu from the corner position under Zimmer’s scheme. He’d be a playmaker for sure, but I just think we need a different sort of corner more urgently.
That is a brave roster.
I like that you have Ghee on the roster, I would like to see what he can do. I don’t think we will sign any FA for over $2mill. per yr. That pretty much takes Cortland off the wish list. I’m a fan of drafting a RB in rd 3 or later. I don’t like Ted Gynn at all, and still think we will get Simpson. Especially since he will be real cheap with the indictment.
He's gonne be in jail probably?
Or am I just not seeing something here? You assuming he’s going to be found not guilty?
Well the trial hasn't even started yet.
The Grand jury indictment is phase one. I believe he will be guilty eventually, but he can drag it out for quite a while. I absolutely believe that he could play for most of 2012 if not the whole season before a verdict is even reached. By then he could just get parole, and avoid jail time all together, so to answer your question, yes he will be available next season, atleast at the start anyway.
But I honestly can't see them signing him
when he MIGHT be available, and possibly not for the whole season. I would guess they would go with more of a sure thing.
I think we've put up with enough from this guy.........
this should be the last straw. We don’t need a #2 WR that we think MIGHT be available to us. This couldn’t have come at a worse time for him, during a contract year. That’s why I’m still half afraid we bring him back because nobody else is going to throw any money at him.
"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche
by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 20, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
and Nicks too........
would love to have him, but doubt will happen.
"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche
by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 20, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
Understatement for sure........
he’ll want to be one of, if not the highest paid Guards in the league….that won’t happen here. We had Nate Livings playing for us all last year for God’s sake! If we let him see the field as a starter, clearly we don’t emphasize this position enough. We should, but for some reason we don’t. I hope we re-sign Collins too, that will really hurt if we lose him.
"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche
by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 20, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
I have my doubts about us signing Nicks as well
But I’m trying to be optismic because we could really set up our o-line for a long time if we played it right
It may not be Finnegan but I do think
If they do not resign Pacman they are going to want to add a veteran CB in FA even if they draft another one high
I bet we bring A.Jones back
He’ll be a great asset as a nickle CB and I bet we’d like to use his skills as a kick/punt returner as well. It was probably too big a risk to use him as a punt returner this year with all the injuries to CBs, but I would be surprised if he didn’t come back.
Simpson is a different story, I doubt he comes back with us next year. There is a whole crop of very talented WR free agents this year that would be very suitable as #2 guys and affordable as well. I’m thinking Robert Meachem, Pierre Garcon, Jericho Cotchery, Mario Manningham, Anthony Gonzalez, Early Doucet, Patrick Crayton, & Steve Smith types (and thats not even listing the top tier guys) who are all more than capable of being a reliable #2. Guys who run good routes and have good hands. Maybe their not supreme athletes like Rome, but I bet in the long run they run better routes and thus make more plays for us.
March and April
can’t get here soon enough
by Oregonbengalsfan on Jan 20, 2012 11:25 AM EST reply actions
MB likes to sign vets right??
Ive heard every reciever FA name thrown out except A mister Reggie Wayne….Ild love to see that. He could teach AJ so much. Or even Garcon. I worked out with him right after he got drafted outta Mount Union. Hes a man and hes got some pretty good wheels. Any thoughts?
by MadManMarlett91 on Jan 20, 2012 11:39 AM EST reply actions
YES!YES!YES!
Reggie Wayne would make a lot of sense for this team at the right price.
I actually like Reggie Wayne as well
And think he would be a fantastic signing if we could do it for 3 years. However, I think he’s looking to try and get one more big contract, so we will have to see what happens
I think if he isn't frachised, Nicks should be main priority in the offseason.
Some people have laughed at me when I have said we just need to give Nicks a blank check. That may be a stretch and doubt the Bengals will do that but it’s the biggest hole on this team and he is a top 3 guard in the league and is only 26 years old. His teammate in New Orleans Jahri Evans became the highest paid guard last year with a contract of 7 years 56.7 million dollars. Which proves that Saints most likely won’t franchise him. The contract would probably have to be front loaded,as is all NFL long term deals but it would be about 8 million a year for the same contract. For a dominant player at a position of need to get him at his prime for me it’s a no brainer.
also
Lineman are probably the safest bet when it comes to free agents. You pretty much know what your gonna get. So it wouldn’t compare to the signing of Coles,Bryant or Odem who played positions that can be a crapshoot when going to new teams.
I agree
I think we need to pay Nicks. He Has to be a Bengal. But if not it couldnt hurt to steal from all our dirty rivals right? Ben Grubbs and Peyton Hillis? I looked at a site that said we had $60.65 millionwe have to spend in free agency, re-signings and the draft. I think that should be easy to get Nicks. I think I read somewhere else that it was enough for basically 2 big name FA. What if we got both Grubbs and Nicks
by MadManMarlett91 on Jan 20, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I see what you're saying but
we really only need to pick up one or the other ( meaning Nicks or Grubbs ). We can pick up a G in the 1st or 2nd round of the draft and be set. We may not even need to draft a G depending on how Boling develops. My point is that we do not need to have 2 highly paid G’s when we can draft one that will be cheap for a few years. That will leave some money free to extend some of our own as well as bring in other FA’s to fill holes. I’m not saying it would be a bad idea I just don’t think it would happen and we don’t technically have to spend the money until 2013.
"When you see it open up and all you can see is the end zone, it’s hard to describe how relieving it feels." -Ced Benson
by ItsAlwaysSunnyInDayton on Jan 20, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
yes that line would be sick!
But in all reality even signing just Nicks is a pipe dream with this front office. I think Boiling will be the starter at right guard. I think the lockout hurt him as much as anyone on the roster. It’s hard for a rookie lineman as it is. I think he has the potential to have a solid career. So if we just sign a guard in free agency, we can take a project type player that we can groom for the fututre, in the later parts of the draft.
I said around mid season that I presonally think that Boling will become a starter in 2012
I just think he needs to put on a little weight (like 10-15lbs max) and be a gym rat, as well as spending time to hone his technique. I don’t think he will be an elite lineman but he should be a very solid improvement over Livings and if he turns out to be as good as or better than Williams I will be very pleased.
"When you see it open up and all you can see is the end zone, it’s hard to describe how relieving it feels." -Ced Benson
by ItsAlwaysSunnyInDayton on Jan 20, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
If the Bengals' future mirrors their past:
*They keep drafting RB’s later & later in the Marvin era. No RB with pick 1a :-)
*They don’t put much emphasis on Safety. No RB with pick 1a :-|
*Interior O-Line isn’t a point of emphasis. No RB with pick 1a :-(
*They take biggest need in round 1. Probably a CB with pick 1a :-)
They take “best available” in round 2.
If they treat pick 1b like a 2nd rounder, then that pick could be anything
If they treat pick 1b like a 1st rounder, then they’d be picking per need and probably go to the O-Line. They like OT’s much better than OG’s so i could see them taking an OT to play at OG right away and eventually move to OT (like Whitworth).
Qick financial breakdown regarding free agents
I’m predicting we wll either let walk or cut 9-12 free agents this off-season and since we have so many draft choices we will more than likely replace most of them with our draft picks. Therefore, it is not unreasonable to assume that we could also pick up 3-4 quality free agents with 1-2 of them even being big named players.
Example;
If we are go out and try and get a Carl Nicks, it’s probally going to cost around 8 million dollars a year (7years x 8m = 56M). On an annual basis by letting Cedric Benson (3M), Manny Lawson (3M), and Chris Crocker (1.5) go we have already accounted for this 8 million dollars annually.
If we are going to go after Reggie Wayne or another WR, it’s probally going to cost around 3.5 million dollars a year (3years x 3.5m = 10.5M). On an an annual basis by letting Jerome Simpson, Brandon Tate, Bo Scaife, and Donald Lee go we have accounted for this 3.5 million dollars annually
If we were to bring in a Brandon Carr or another quality CB, it’s probally going to cost around 7-8 million dollars a year (4years x 8m = 32M). On an annual basis by letting Pacman, Kelly Jennings, and the rest of the free agents I’ve listed go we’ve accounted for virtually all of his earnings on an annual basis.
Again, we are going to have to replace the 8-9 roster spots we have vacated but we should be able to this with what we already have in the organization and through the draft and we will have addressed virtually everyone of our glaring holes. And as I have already stated with the new CBA in place it will not really cost us all that much more to accomplish this
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