Bengals Banter: Did We Really Think Jerome Simpson Was Returning Anyway?
by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 20, 2012 8:02 AM EST
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PrintToday we will offer the question about Robert Geathers and a debate with SB Nation's Carolina Panthers blog (Cat Scratch Fever) on whom is more deserved of the Offensive Rookie of the Year award -- Andy Dalton or Cam Newton.
But first. On the surface it hasn't been a great week. Adam Jones pled guilty for resisting arrest and disorderly conduct following an incident at a local club last summer, celebrating his wife's birthday. Luckily Jones only received 50 hours of community service and a one-year probation. Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer, who transformed Cincinnati's defense into something recognizable throughout the league, is now being courted by the Indianapolis Colts while waiting and waiting on Tampa Bay's interview process to pan out. Like most of you I believe he deserves it, but that doesn't mean I want him leaving either.
Finally on Thursday Bengals wide receiver Jerome Simpson was finally indicted by a grand jury and charged with one count of trafficking marijuana. His arraignment is scheduled for Jan. 30. Now the national media will do their song and dance about Cincinnati's character issues. Quite frankly we've long stopped caring what others think about the Bengals.
Yet when news surfaced about Simpson's charge on Thursday, I couldn't help but shrug my shoulders. Don't get me wrong. I'm not heartless, callous and I'm sure many of Simpson's friends and family are heartbroken. And some will point out, "dude, it's just weed." No matter what side of the argument you fall, shouting at the conservative villains or tree-hugging hippies that Eric Cartman wants to destroy, it doesn't matter when federal authorities are involved; Simpson was busted and charged by a grand jury -- when they charge you, they have a strong case.
Even if authorities didn't bust Jerome Simpson, I didn't believe he would return to Cincinnati anyway. Look at his resume in 2011. There were seven games that he posted two receptions or less -- including no receptions against the Pittsburgh Steelers (very critical games). He failed to post 50 yards receiving in 12 of 16 games and he had three highlights this year -- games against the Broncos and Ravens and his highlight flip against the Arizona Cardinals. Then there's three seasons in which he failed to break into the depth chart over guys like Laveranues Coles, or forcing the team to sign someone like Antonio Bryant or Terrell Owens because "he wasn't ready." Look at it this way: None of those three have played an NFL game since leaving Cincinnati.
Sure money won't be an issue, but that's not the argument here. It's whether or not the team can use him as the No. two receiver. His attribute of potential has gone on four years now. His attribute of production remains suspect.
And the problem is that Andy Dalton needs someone opposite of A.J. Green that's far more reliable.
+ ESPN's Peter Keating writes that Andy Dalton is the most likely to have a break out season during his sophomore year.
+ The Return of Mojokong offers up a convincing argument in support of Marvin Lewis and his program.
+ ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. publishes his first mock draft with Cincinnati selecting a cornerback and running back.
+ With the St. Louis Rams threatening to release Jason Smith, it reminded us of the offensive tackle debates before the 2009 NFL Draft.
+ Jason Garrison writes that the greatest improvement with the Cincinnati Bengals in 2011 was chemistry.
+ Offering up Cincinnati's free agents this year and their corresponding Pro Football Focus grades.
+ The Chris Henry estate filed suit against his former fiancee, looking to recoup "underinsured auto insurance coverage that could be collected."
+ A quick review from the season borders a predictable conclusion regarding Cincinnati's rushing offense | Jason follows that up with his running back grades.
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RE: to your headline
I did.
What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.
by jimbasa on Jan 20, 2012 8:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I did too.........
because he would be cheap and we didn’t want to look like idiots for spending a second round pick on him. Now, I hope this means the end for Benson, Pacman and Simpson. Clean house with this stuff and move on with the youth and talent we already have.
"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche
by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 20, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
agree
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
I thought he would be back...
…because we could sign him at close to league minimum and he would be servicable. That falls of the table with a likely 4-6 game suspension minimum.
If Pacman isn't resigned....
Then we have a TON of work to do in free agency and the draft to sure up that secondary. It’s in shambles.
by DiddyGotGrillz on Jan 20, 2012 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
Agree
But Pacman wasnt going to be a 1 or 2 CB going into this season anyways,Jenning’s can play nickle
Would be nice to get some more DB’s like JJO and Hall,who are not petrified of anybody over 190 LBS carrying the ball
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
My thoughts exactly.........
plus Pacman is always hurt. We see flashes of how good he can be, then he’s off to the sidelines (Seattle after punt return) or being toasted by AJ in the playoffs. I think Jennings showed enough that we could keep him around for a #3 and added depth.
"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche
by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 20, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
And pacman is a huge reliability issue, both in the run game
and off the field. How cheap does a guy have to be to not be worth it, if he’s going to miss 2-4 games?
Pacman might be the worst tackler on our D......
the old side-step O-le!
"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche
by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 20, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
I agree we can Pacman walk
But WE CANNOT let Jennings play 3rd CB. I realize he played better towards the end of the year but he still sucked.
I knew the law was coming
8.5 pounds……..no one gets away with that….I knew he was gone…The only surprising thing is that it took THIS long….
"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"
by ticalcaldwell on Jan 20, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
He fought the law and.............the law won (again).
"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche
by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 20, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
My point it....
There are a LOT of Bengal fans that haven’t got a clue. :)
by DiddyGotGrillz on Jan 20, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
IMO something like this needed to happen
Marvin waited this long to get him on the field (not that it wasnt warranted) without something
like this happening i was sure he would be back,just for that fact,rather than anything he has shown
on the field.
I’m still not sure,Marvin dont bring him back anyway.
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
Dalton is obviously very deserving of offesnive ROY
Especially considering that he really wasn’t expected to perform at the level he did (by the national media of course – because he was a 2nd round pick).
Newton had an amazing season, obviously, but isn’t that one of the reasons why he was selected first overall?? First overall picks are expected to be great – that’s why they are selected before anyone else.
With that said, I think the media bias toward overlooking the Bengals, coupled with their infatuation with Caaaaaam, will result in Newton winning the offensive ROY. A.D. Is certainly deserving and is a very strong candidate. I expect the votes to be split 70/30 Newton/ Dalton, with some votes too for A.J.
Finally, with regard to Jerome’s indictment, just to clarify, the indictment is not a federal indictment. Grand juries are not limited to just federal trials. The article seems to imply that since it a grand jury indicted him, the feds came after him. Grand juries are required both at the State and Federal level. So far, the Feds have no part on this criminal matter. Furthermore, the defense is never present during a grand jury proceeding, meaning all the witnesses and evidence presented by the Kenton County prosecutor against Jerome were not challenged or cross-examined. Interesting, too, that the indictment is limed to just one (1) count. One-count indictments are not very common. We shall see.
by The_Black_Stripes on Jan 20, 2012 8:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The NFL will penalize him more,than any court in the USA
Weather through suspension,or just the money he cost himself in future contract’s
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
I agree
My first thought upon hearing the news of the indictment was that Simpson would likely face a 4-game suspension from Goodell (mentioned it in my first comment in yesterday’s CJ article).
Prosecutor has said Jerome has been cooperative and has no priors, so who knows what the criminal punishment will be. League punishment will almost assuredly be 4 games. This almost guarantees no team will offer Simpson a FA contract, and virtually guarantees the Bengals will acquire a much needed #2 receiver to better compliment A.J.. I would not be shocked if Simpson were brought back by the “Redeemer” and given a chance to make the roster.
by The_Black_Stripes on Jan 20, 2012 9:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with the 4 game suspension but I would imagine there will be multiple teams looking at simpson
This whole situation is odd. There was no reason for them to take this long to make that indictment. So the police was working with Jerome and I’m sure Jerome was working with the police. IF this is all he gets, maybe a week in jail and a bunch of community service for a first time offender. Teams will draw red flags and look into it but I think Jerome’s character and athleticism will be worth the risk. IMO
Jerome will be in the NFL next year, I’m sure of it. Just not the jersey he will be wearing.
And look at Jamal Lewis who came back and played after being convicted for Cocaine. Vick who was in prison for two years had like 7 teams looking at him. Plaxico Burress had like 4 or 5 teams interested. Jerome’s indictment isn’t as serious as this other crimes.
AMAS
Rome will be back for sure
Just at the blue-light special rate
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
There is a difference between all those players and Rome
They all had much better accomplishments in the NFL for teams to take a second chance on them. Rome? Nowhere as close.
Having said that, I still believe that Rome will get a chance to come back into the league and I will not be surprised if the Bengals pick him up for a vet minimum for the position.
Off topic
If anyone listens to Colin Cowherd,you have to search the archives,yesterday he slammed the OCHO
I was trying to figure out how to put it in a fanpost,
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
I have no problem with replacing Simpson,
But if he is able to play, I’m 95% sure Mike Brown will get him. I can feel it through my bones, a player that is tainted and dirt cheap, and I know that Mikey Brown will bite.
It's easy to hang it on Brown
I mean, I get all the people saying “He’d be back because he’s damaged goods and Mike Brown will sign him because he’s cheap.”
But based on the way the last twelve months have gone, I’m not so sure.
The moves made in free agency, as well as players that were cut or traded, signal a distinct shift in the way this team operates.
I want to believe the 2010 season shook something up. They dipped into the problem child market with TO and didn’t just get burned, they got destroyed.
They convinced Marvin to come back with rumored “extended control” and the moves made in the 2011 season looked utterly and totally unlike any season I can remember.
Brown wanted Mallett. Marvin and Gruden wanted Dalton. That single event speaks volumes.
No, I personally think Benson, Simpson and Caldwell are gone. Simpson would be gone whether he decided to become a drug kingpin or not.
As to replacements there’s one thing the bengals have been good at in recent years. In the draft, someone always falls. Someone rated very high is mystically still on the board. I predict there will be someone sitting there in round two they’ll snatch.
The same thing happens in free agency. Ten days in there’s always someone still available that you’d think would be gone.
I’m more excited about this offseason than I have been in 20 years. They have the opportunity to make a big jump, and based on the last 12 months, they seem to have the will.
You make some valid points.
And with no Carson Palmer on payroll we should have the money to definately get a big name WR, but will we? I still lean towards Brown re-uping on Simpson if it appears that he will get paroled or bringing in Braylon Edwards for next to nothing for 1 yr.
I hope we don't get a big WR free agent.
That hasn’t worked in the past (for us or almost anybody), and we don’t need anyone with an ego trying to act like the No. 1 WR here. We need a solid, serviceable No. 2 who can run routes and catch passes. We just need a guy who can consistently beat single coverage so that doubling (or tripling) A.J. doesn’t shut down our offense. Simpson had flash, but he had zero consistency. Getting a solid No. 2 and then getting Shipley back in the slot will go a long way.
Braylon Edwards can’t catch a cold, so he’s no better. He’ll just make things worse.
Andy Dalton: An American Hero
by Pardon_My_French on Jan 20, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I think Brandon Floyd would be a good fit.
He seems to be very professional and proven he can be productive in many different offensive schemes.
AMAS
I think
people are underestimating Jordan Shipley. I think he’s a great #2. We have whalen and hawk to be a 3 and 4. Along with Gresh and Colin, I think we are fine at receiver.
by sgiridharan1982 on Jan 20, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
dont get me wrong, Im very excited that Shipley is coming back
as far as targets, he wouldn’t be a bad number 3 option. And I think Shipley and Dalton will be way more in sync than Caldwell or Simpson were. But Shipley specialty is the slot and on third downs. Im not sure if more targets to Shipley would be the answer. Sort of like why Leonard isn’t the starting RB. The more touches you give a person, the more film you get on that player and coaches will pick up on tendencies.
But yea I can’t wait when he comes back. He will be a difference maker. but Since we traditionally keep 6 WR on the roster, we might as well try to sign and keep the best 6 posible choices we can.
AMAS
Again
I think you’re underestimating Shipley. I think a trio of Green, Gresh, and Dalton is more than enough to keep a defense on its toes. If Ship gets more touches and defenses have to account for him; then it’ll open up more looks for Green or Gresh. ESPN for what it’s worth compares Shipley to Welker. Welker is probowl receiver and I think Ship has the talent to be a probowl guy.
by sgiridharan1982 on Jan 20, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I can see that. He is quick like Welker, but needs to add a few pounds.
You very well might be right. But we still need they taller, athletic type WR to fill the position, if simpson isnt resigned. I think they keep Shipley in the slot and thats his specialty, so its less likely to have him opposite of AJ playing as the other starter.
AMAS
I agree
A solid quiet receiver,could have a very successful career on the other side of AJ
Your point about a number 2 who thinks he is a one,is why i wouldnt draft with a high round pick this season
or even go after a coveted FA WR
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
If he doesnt go to jail
hes a potential seat filler after that flip
Maybe
But all along I’ve always felt that Marvin resented having problem children forced on him. He was visibly unhappy when Chris Henry came back.
If Marvin has any real say on the roster, I don’t think you’ll see Simpson back. I also don’t think you’ll see them even sniff at a player like Edwards, and definitely not whoever gets cut loose by the Jets out of Burress and Holmes.
The team obviously knew this was coming, and that’s why they’ve got Binns, and why Hazelton is on the practice squad/offseason roster.
by Skyhook on Jan 20, 2012 9:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
if you go with the logic about Marvin and that he has control of the roster.
Then I would be willing to bet Simpson would be back. Simpson and Henry is comparing apples to oranges. And from what Marvin said after the incident led me to believe he still likes Jerome and wants be to be around.
AMAS
No - Did not expect him back
The key to the offense if for Gruden to identify guys that will seem to work in his offense. He got the first two picks last year w/Green and Dalton and did great. Boling – maybe/maybe not in a year – Whalen Ok for a 7th rounder
Zimmer gets his guys – not a lot of big names – but play hard for him and like his system – and about top 10 every year
Gruden seems the same way – he knows what he wants and what will work for him – especially after a year of seeing as OC and what the players he has can do/attitude.
In years past it was Hey – Antonio Bryant used to be good, or Carson threw out w/TO – he can still play (and let’s not forget Coles). What an idiotic way to run an organization.
Hopefully that mindset is gone forever – but w/MB you never know. If that is what Marvin now has control of they have a shot of continued “goodness”
I think think its still 50/50 if Jerome comes back
I have a pretty good feeling that he will come back. I think if they were not going to give him a chance to come back or not even think about it, they would have just cut him during last season.
Marivn probably has a pretty good understanding of what was going to happen and what happened. I don’t see Jerome getting any jail time and if he does, it would be the mininum of 7 days, with a lot of community service.
Regardless if Simpson is signed or not. The 2nd option at WR will still face the same problems Jerome had. From what I noticed this past season, the 2nd WR didn’t get the same looks like Green. If we birng a FA WR or draft a WR, we will still have to figure out a way to get them the ball more and then hope they have good chemistry with Dalton. Towards the end of the season, Simpson and Dalton started get on the same page more. So I saw improvement throughout the end of last season.
My vote would bring Jerome back to a one year deal with a second year opition. I think it would be bennificial for both teams. And if he out performs the contract, resign him again. I think Simpson showed enough to see that he can put up big numbers and still has upside.
AMAS
Seriously
The only argument that some of you guys are making that supports his return is that he’s cheap.
What does money have to do with it when his production alone is worth the discussion to abandon the need to bring him back?
Managing Editor at CincyJungle.com -- SB Nation Cincinnati Bengals blog.
by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 20, 2012 9:55 AM EST reply actions
Did you read my post? the one above your post now?
I wouldn’t consider 50 receptions and 754 yrds a slouch. Thats pretty good actually if you consider this his rookie year as far as playing time. Jerome’s numbers would have been better if we didn’t have Green as a number one. Jerome didnt get the same looks as Green.
Also, Simpson is the most physical receiver we have. He had laid some monster blocks along the season. And here is the kicker. Simpson wants to be here. How many FA Bengals decide to come back when the get the option? lol not many.
Simpson may not be the long term solution. But he deserves another year and a full offseason with Dalton. I think many judgements about Simpson are clouded because of the pot situation and AJ Green.
LIke I said before, any WR we bring will face the same problem as Jerome. And thats getting Andy to look his way when the play isn’t called that way. Dalton has a quick release and doesn’t hold on the ball that long in the pocket. So there are many WR or TE open but don’t thrown to cause Dalton locks to the called WR on the route or he knows he is just going to toss it up to AJ.
AMAS
also
Then there’s three seasons in which he failed to break into the depth chart over guys like Laveranues Coles, or forcing the team to sign someone like Antonio Bryant or Terrell Owens because “he wasn’t ready.” Look at it this way: None of those three have played an NFL game since leaving Cincinnati.
That was under Brats system and maybe Brat had a lot to say on who should be starting. I think if you look at last years last 3 games and this years games, you would see a WR with a lot of potential. I think we can say the coaches f’d up by not putting him in sooner. How is he suppose to learn to play in the NFL on the sidelines? You learn more while in the game.
AMAS
im idiot lol
That was under Brats system and maybe Brat had a lot to say on who should be starting. I think if you look at last years last 3 games and this years games, you would see a WR with a lot of potential. I think we can say the coaches f’d up by not putting him in sooner. How is he suppose to learn to play in the NFL on the sidelines? You learn more while in the game.
AMAS
I actually thought Simpson was coming around
You have to consider that his college coaching wasn’t up to the big school standards. They ran a system that put Simpson in the main role but it wasn’t a pro systen even remotely similar to the USC, OSU, LSUs of the college game. The guys coming from those big time schools are alread 75-80& pro ready simply because of the prostyle schemes they ran. Simpson came into the league at least 2 years behind most upper round WR draft choices. Add to that the fact that most NFL rookie WRs take a year or so to learn the pro scheme and Simpson is pretty well on track when all of that is taken into consideration. He was only a round 2 draft choice in talent – not experience. He is just now, pragmatically speaking, just entering his second year.
Losing Simpson will be a bigger loss than many think because now we have to sign someone to replace him. I would suggest Reggie Wayne as he still has a couple of years left in the tank and being the savy rout runner he is he would be a big help not only to Green but to the other WRs as well. He could be considered one of the best route runners in the NFL and he knows how to be a pro in big game situations.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
I agree with Wayne
His presence alone would do wonders for this team and the recievers. One would think he would get 2-3 year deal at a decent price.
RE:
That was under Brats system and maybe Brat had a lot to say on who should be starting. I think if you look at last years last 3 games and this years games, you would see a WR with a lot of potential. I think we can say the coaches f’d up by not putting him in sooner. How is he suppose to learn to play in the NFL on the sidelines? You learn more while in the game.
Fair point. But they drafted him in the second round for that potential. And he failed to break into the active roster most of the time during his first three years. They simply didn’t trust him. Compounded by the lack of consistency and reliability this year, I think he’s gone (even if he were able to play in the league) and the team will target a veteran FA WR.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 20, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
this is how I veiw the draft
people take in account too much on what round a player is selected. Yes, higher the round generally means the better the player. But put your self in a GM/ HC position. You look up and down your rosters and see what your biggest need is. Then you go to your scouts and deterime which players fits your systems the best vs their natural ability.
Some teams have players rated higher than other teams. And visa versa. But once you compile your ranked list, you compare your list to other teams needs and you get an idea of when you should pick the player you want. So, if you have a player in mind, your darft position gaurentees you that player. Thats all the draft is.
So depending on the situation, say 2007. You know your going to need a WR in a few years but not now. And you know another team may take him early in the 3rd. Why not take him in the 2nd round, if you know he can be something special. I mean thats why you pick a player right? You see something in him that some people may not.
There are bust in every round and every team loses the gamble on a player in the early rounds all the time.
AMAS
RE:
I wouldn’t consider 50 receptions and 754 yrds a slouch. Thats pretty good actually if you consider this his rookie year as far as playing time. Jerome’s numbers would have been better if we didn’t have Green as a number one. Jerome didnt get the same looks as Green.
But it’s not his rookie year. He’s been in the league for four seasons. Additionally Green only had a handful more targets per game. Having no reception against the Steelers is a huge fail. That’s kind of an important time you need to show up. He fail to post more than two receptions in seven games.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 20, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
I know its not his rookie year in years but playing time it is. I think you have to take account for that
Wouldn’t you consider Carson’s rookie year his second year? because he didn’t even take one snap his rookie year.
And by looks, I meant pass thrown to him on certain routes. They defenately gave more shots down the field to AJ. And half the time Jerome got thrown to deep, it was over thrown or thorwn out of bounds.
Receptions can be over rated as much as drops. Look at yards per catch. AJ green has 16.3 which made hime 18th overall in the NFL. On the flip side Jerome averaged 14.5 per catch which makes hime 36th in the NFL. Jerome is in good company because he ahead of Colston, Jennings, Lloyd, Burress, Garcon, Rody White, and the list goes on.
I sitll think its more about getting the number 2 WR, who ever that maybe next year, better opportunities.
AMAS
RE:
Look at it this way. Only 11 receivers in the NFL last year had a higher drop ratio than Simpson, who dropped 15.25 percent of his passes.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/17/drop-rate-2011-which-receivers-are-dropping-the-ball/
So I’ll give you that maybe the opportunities aren’t there, but I could simply just argue that passes that were poorly through could have been the result of poor routes, miscommunication, not being where Dalton expected him to be. Bad decisions on option routes, misreading the defensive schemes, etc…
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 20, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
It is not just the opprotunities Josh. It is his college prep for the pros
He came from a small school who played small schools and just did not have the quality coaching staff or the pro style scheme the big schools have. Like I said he came into the league at least two years behind WRs from big time football schools. It is unfair to compare him to Green – Green is a freak. Only 4-5 teams have WRs in his league talent wise. I am not an apoplgist for Simpson and I am not worried about if he plays for us again or not. That is not the point. As a receiver I can make a pretty strong case that Simpson is right on or near schedule as an NFL WR. IMO he could be a top 15 WR down the road if his career continues.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Simpson is a athletic freak
That alone makes him what he is,but he’s been blasted time after time for not running crisp route’s,or being where he was supposed to be,its obvious he just doesnt have either work ethic,or the intelligence to take him
to that next level,i’m not saying he couldnt end up being great if it ever sunk in,but weather he played at a small
school or not,4 season’s is enough time for me or you to learn a playbook,if he truly isnt running route’s the way
he should be,the WR coach needs to be fired.
Oh,the Raider’s just fired him
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
RE:
Simpson may not be the long term solution. But he deserves another year and a full offseason with Dalton. I think many judgements about Simpson are clouded because of the pot situation and AJ Green.
No. They’re clouded because he’s not very productive. From my perspective this has nothing to do with the pot thing. As I said in my original post, I didn’t care because I didn’t think he was returning in the first place.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 20, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
RE:
Did you read my post? the one above your post now?
Sorry brother. That was more of a generic response amongst those that made the point.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 20, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Regardless if Simpson is signed or not. The 2nd option at WR will still face the same problems Jerome had. From what I noticed this past season, the 2nd WR didn’t get the same looks like Green. If we birng a FA WR or draft a WR, we will still have to figure out a way to get them the ball more and then hope they have good chemistry with Dalton. Towards the end of the season, Simpson and Dalton started get on the same page more. So I saw improvement throughout the end of last season.
AMAS
im horrible at this box quoting thing lol
that was the point I was referring to. I don’t think its generic at all. Its easy to say that replacing Jerome is going to fix the problem. I think the problem isn’t necessarly Jerome, but calling the right plays for the #2 WR so they can get the same opportunity as AJ.
AMAS
RE:
Yea, we might have to file this one under “agree to disagree”. ;-)
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 20, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
for sure! lol
like I said before, I will go with what the coaches decided since they have more insight with personel. Only time will tell, If Jerome can be that guy I think he can.
AMAS
btw, i don't mind debating. Or being proved wrong. Knowledge is power
I just get annoyed by some post that just assumes Jerome is an idiot and thats why he sucks. I like to hear factual arguements so I get a better understanding of why people view him in a certain regard.
AMAS
No. I am sure and have been for awhile
No Smokey Rome in 2013. FA market offers better players.
Besides consider the human element, outside of the field. You are Marvin Lewis and Mike Brown. You’ve given the kid every chance in the world, even a starting jig in the NFL. He responds to their trust by setting up a drug distribution center in the home town. He made this mess AFTER getting into the NFL, not while a goof ball college kid at Coastal Carolina, which Mike Brown is famous for overlooking.
No way I’d trust him again and a NFL contract is all about trust.
not if they want to win the Super Bowl
But yes if they were gonna operate in traditional Mike Brown redeemer mode.
Attention Mike Brown: One-and-done doesn’t cut it. You will see more empty seats next year if you don’t show the fans you’re trying to win the Super Bowl!
by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 20, 2012 12:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Simpson is very replacable....
…I don’t think he adds a lot to the offense that we couldn’t get from a second teir journeyman WR—and there will be plenty available.
The only reason why I thought he would be back next year is because the Bengals coaching staff has worked with him for 4 years and they know him and he most certainly would be relatively inexpensive.
With the pot indictment, most likely he will cop some sort of plea (so it won’t be a felony) and end up suspended for at least 4 games, possibly half the season. Not such a bargain anymore in my opinion.
Not be to be hard hearted, but I would say move on.
Let's talk about some of the throws...
Dalton played a lot of games without interceptions I believe because he was coached to throw balls to a target where no one would have a chance to catch it except his tall athletic high jumping recievers. Green came down with some extraordinary catches that proved he deserved being picked in the 1st round. Simpson also had a few amazing catches, just not as many. The throws were high on purpose and the recievers are coached to climb the ladder. Use there athleticism and go up and get the ball. Otherwise many were soaring out of bounds out of every ones reach.
Point is, there seemed to be some balls that were really tough for any one to catch, but I applaud Simpson for what I think was aggressively going after some of these high throws and paying the price by getting run over. He took some hellacious shots on quick slants too. I know they are pro’s and get paid a ton, but when you have a 250 lb brick waiting to throw you some pain I see why some were dropped. How many times did you see Rome give up on a ball because it looked like he was going to get popped? How many times did you see T.O. or even Slim do it? How many times did you see Rome blocking down field? How many time in the Ocho’s entire career did he run block?
Do not expect him to return
His off the field problems are just the kind of thing that Marvin has been purging, and I believe that Marvin has more control of personel moves lately. Besides, he can’t get two feet down on the sideline if his life depended on it.
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