Six-Pack Of Who Dey: Bengals Could End Mike Zimmer's In-Limbo Status
We take into account wide-ranging topics in today's Six-Pack of Who Dey. We talk about a far-reaching suggestion in free agency, putting an end to the Mike Zimmer head coaching stories, the coach that had the best season not named Marvin, Gruden or Zimmer and a couple of priorities that the team needs to sign for 2012.
BENGALS SHOULD RESOLVE MIKE ZIMMER'S IN-LIMBO STATUS |
Courted by virtually every team with an available head coaching position, save for the Oakland Raiders, Mike Zimmer's status with the Cincinnati Bengals remains in limbo. It goes without saying that becoming an NFL head coach is a great achievement, overcoming a challenge that once began as a low-level assistant, along with the slow progression through the college ranks.
Zimmer's coaching career began in 1979 with a 15-year stretch as an assistant coach and defensive coordinator for collegiate teams like Missouri, Weber State and Washington State. It wasn't until 1994 that Zimmer reached the NFL as an assistant coach with the Dallas Cowboys where he remained until 2007. A year after an unsuccessful stint in Atlanta, he joined the Cincinnati Bengals as the team's defensive coordinator.
During the five seasons preceding Zimmer, Cincinnati's defense ranked 28, 19, 28, 30 and 27. And during his four years with Cincinnati, the Bengals defense hasn't finished worse than 15th, with two seasons inside the top-ten.
So instead of just waiting for Zimmer's future to unfold with another team, the Cincinnati Bengals should intercept the process by extending Zimmer's contract, which currently expires after the 2012 season, including a decent (though not non-Brown-like) raise that would force Zimmer to pull himself out of the process. Even if teams like the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Indianapolis Colts choose their coaches without Zimmer being named, the Bengals should extend his stay in Cincinnati for as long as possible.
If for anything it provides the team with insurance. Head coach Marvin Lewis hasn't been extended yet after serving the first year of a two-year contract. For any number of reasons that Lewis could leave, the Bengals simply promote Zimmer as the head coach and slide the defensive coordinator position to defensive backs coach Kevin Coyle.
A quick counterpoint:
"But if no team is hiring him, why should the Bengals?" Most teams with expressed interested in Zimmer as a candidate have only spent a couple of hours with him whereas the Bengals front office has four years of history that they're more than likely comfortable with.
THE NAMELESS COACH WITH THE BEST YEAR IN 2011 |
The Cincinnati Bengals generated 45 quarterback sacks in 2011, third-most in the NFL. It was such a successful season for the team's pass rush that it's only the second time Cincinnati surpassed 45 quarterback sacks in a single-season (2001) since 1988. And of those 45 sacks, 34.5 were generated from Cincinnati's defensive line with eight different players registering at least one sack and five recording four quarterback sacks or more (Frostee Rucker, Jonathan Fanene, Carlos Dunlap, Michael Johnson, Geno Atkins).
It's one thing when linebackers and defensive backs blitz, generating pressure that would reflect a defensive coordinator's aggressive nature. It's another thing when the defensive line is the one generating that much pressure, suggesting two things: Great talent and good coaching.
Bengals defensive line coach Jay Hayes, a former Special Teams coach for Pittsburgh (1999-2001) and Minnesota (2002), joined Cincinnati the same year Marvin Lewis was named head coach in 2003. Though he hasn't had the talent to work with early in his career, Hayes is grooming Cincinnati's newest batch of defensive linemen like Carlos Dunlap and Geno Atkins while continuing to work and improve role players like Frostee Rucker, Jonathan Fanene, Michael Johnson and Domata Peko, who arguably had his best season in 2011.
If Cincinnati's defensive line continues improving in 2012, it would be difficult not seeing a promotion for Cincinnati's defensive line coach at some point.
FANENE AND RUCKER NEED TO BE OFFSEASON PRIORITIES |
For how good Cincinnati's defensive line was last year, it's easy to forget about players that played vital roles with one of the more impressive eight-man rotations in the NFL. Jonathan Fanene, who registered a career-high 6.5 quarterback sacks in 2011, rotated into the game during passing situations at defensive tackle, alongside one of the league's top defensive tackles in Geno Atkins. It's the second time in three seasons that Fanene generated six quarterback sacks or more.
Frostee Rucker, who is the bigger priority, ranked as the team's best defender against the run, scoring a 9.5 according to Pro Football Focus-- only 12 defensive ends that play in base 4-3 formations scored a higher grade against the run. Additionally Rucker posted 53 tackles, four quarterback sacks and led the team (not just the defensive line) with 10 tackles-for-loss.
Look at it this way: If Fanene and Rucker both leave, that's 10.5 quarterback sacks that the team would lose, including their best run defender on the defensive line.
ADDRESSING OFFENSIVE GUARD THROUGH FREE AGENCY |
Would it be too much of a stretch to argue that Cincinnati's rushing offense in 2011 was just as bad as the notorious 2007 season, when Rudi Johnson's depreciation was severely compounded by the Bengals lack of foresight when it comes to the re-development of their aging offensive line? Though the arguments why it was so unproductive can be wide-ranging, one of the areas Cincinnati's need for improvement is their situation at guard. Along with the fact that Cincinnati's need to improve the position, the incumbents will be facing expiring contracts in early March.
The New Orleans Saints are faced with huge decisions regarding several key players facing free agency this year. One of those is offensive guard Carl Nicks, who Pro Football Focus grades as the second-best guard heading into free agency. The first is Evan Mathis, who spent three seasons with the Bengals and didn't allow a single quarterback sack in 2009 and 2010. However Mathis' return is probably the least likely of any scenario imaginable and if you're not sure why I say that, read our post from April 29, 2011.
Like all things in free agency, the demand will drive proposed contracts higher than what players are probably worth. For that reason alone it's unlikely that the Bengals will put together a package to entice someone like Nicks to consider Cincinnati during his decision-making process -- provided that the Saints don't make a sweet offer to retain the guard.
If Nicks' falls outside of Cincinnati's price range, which we actually expect, other free agent guards includes Tennessee's Jake Scott, Dallas' Holland Montrae, Baltimore's Ben Grubbs and Carolina's Bernadeu Mackenzy or Geoff Hangartner.
But first thing's first. Bring Bobbie Williams back.
JAY GRUDEN'S RETURN IS THE BEST OFFSEASON NEWS |
Granted the offseason is less than three weeks old, Gruden's decision to decline head coaching opportunities and remain with the Bengals goes down as our early "best news" storyline of the offseason. We're fairly certain Gruden was approached by the Bengals front office early during the process, preventing Cincinnati's offensive coordinator from leaving for head coaching positions that he admitted he wasn't ready for. It solidified his resolve to stay.
Most importantly this will be Gruden's first offseason without an NFL lockout preventing communication with last year's rookies -- there was a two-month period that Gruden was allowed to speak with veterans, but not guys like Andy Dalton and A.J. Green.
Along with Dalton and Green, Gruden's decision to remain will offer development for tight end Jermaine Gresham and perhaps Bernard Scott.
JERMAINE GRESHAM NEEDS TO TAKE NOTICE |
There's no doubt that Bengals tight end Jermaine Gresham is as talented as they come. He's bigger than most defensive backs, quicker than most linebackers. Yet despite generating over 100 receptions, 1,000 yards receiving and 10 touchdowns during his two-year NFL career, he really hasn't had that breakout moment. On November 14, 2010 Gresham posted nine receptions for 85 yards receiving and a touchdown during Cincinnati's comeback effort from a 13-point fourth quarter deficit against the Indianapolis Colts. This year he made a tremendous fourth quarter reception during a game-winning drive and I'm fairly certain that most will remember the non-touchdown against Baltimore.
If Gresham can liken himself to anyone in the NFL, look no further than this weekend's NFL Conference Championship games. Guys like San Francisco's Vernon Davis and New England's duet with Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez -- and Jimmy Graham earlier in the postseason -- continue evolving the position much like Tony Gonzalez did in Kansas City.
Tight ends are becoming more engaged as the primary focus of a team's offense, requiring that position to be stacked with wide receiver talent encompassing a tight end's body. All of which describes Jermaine Gresham in every possible way. As the point above articulates, having Jay Gruden return should accelerate that growth and make one believe that Gresham could be on the threshold of being one of those tight end's that the league talks about.
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Gresham - Vernon Davis
I could see Gresh having a very similar career path. Look up Davis’ career stats.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 21, 2012 7:55 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Yes
Davis didn’t have his breakout year until year 4. Hopefully Gresham’s is year 3.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 21, 2012 8:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
i think so
Gresham was out 3 and half games this year and he still managed to get around 600 yrds. He averaged at TD around every 9 catches. And if they wouldnt have over turned that TD in Baltimore, he would average a TD every 8 catches.
I think if Gresh can stay healthy all year and continues his trend from the end of this season, he will be a top 5 TE.
AMAS
Plus, this will be the first offseason where Gresham isn’t learning a new offense.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 22, 2012 10:30 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Posted this in an earlier thread, but I think it is relevant here too.
Basically, I think this is a list of Free Agents that the Bengals should target. This could be the deciding decision when it comes to the Draft, and if we play things well in FA, then we could play it like the Packers and Steelers have proven, that you can build depth and the future through the draft, and FA is good for plugging holes.
Back Up QBs (Can’t Ever Have Enough):
Brady Quinn (Great Mentor for Red, Former Hyped Rookie)
Sage Rosenfels (Mentor, Has Won Games Before)\
David Carr (Mentor, Experienced, Former Hyped Rookie)
Power RBs:
Lynch (Bell Cow Back. Needs Speed Back Partner)
Hillis (Bell Cow Back. Needs Speed Back Partner)
Green Ellis (Great Platoon Back. Needs Speed Back Partner)
Bush (Could be a Bell Cow #1 Back)
Blount (Pounder. Needs Speed Combo Back Partner.)
Speed/Reciever RBs:
Bradshaw (Fumbling Injury Issuees, Premier Speed/Reciever Back)
Snelling (Good Speed/ Reciever Back)
Speed WR:
DeSean Jackson (Personality Issues, Great Potential Compliment to Green)
Robert Meachem (#2 Reciever)
Mario Manningham (#2 Reciever)
Chaz Schillens (Field Stretcher, Maybe a #2)
Mike-Sims Walker (Field Stretcher, Maybe a #2)
TEs:
Scott Chandler (Blocker, Excellent in RZ)
John Carlson (Blocker, Intermediate TE. Perfect Back Up)
Martellus Bennett (Blocker, Seam Stretcher Complements Gresham)
Daniel Fells (Blocker, Seam Stretcher Complements Gresham)
Joel Dreessen (Blocker, Better Than Stone Hands)
Jake Ballard (Blocker, Seam Stretcher, Complements Gresham)
OG:
Carl Nicks (Dream)
Ben Grubbs (Dream)
Jacob Bell (Once was premier gaurd, could be again)
DT:
Jason Jones (Less need for Fanene or Rucker)
Abrayo Franklin (Run Stopper)
Pat Sims (Duh)
Red Bryant (Premier Run Stopper)
CB:
Cortland Finnegan (Similar Player to Hall, completes physical defense)
Brandon Carr (Great Potential)
Tracy Porter (Great Potentail)
Terrell Thomas (Physcial Upgrade over everyone but Hall, peer to Clements)
Reshean Mathis (Once was a top CB. Could be again.)
Carlos Rogers (Perhaps old, but is what this team
needs from a nickel, next man up CB)
Saftey:
LaRon Landry (Dream)
Michael Griffin (Risky, but Great Coverage S)
Reggie Nelson (Inconsistent, but our best S. Needs to Come Back)
Sean Jones (Decent Coverage Saftey, Still has gas in the Tank)
Kicker:
Mike Nugent (This is his home. He Needs to Stay.)
A little explanation per position.
Back-Up QB:
Gradowski makes a great journey man backup. And he has shown the the team can win with him if needed. But we don’t need a third string developemental QB, since our Franchise QB is so young. Instead lets get another older QB that has been around the block that can help Red out mentally and come and in win a game also in a pinch if needed. Think a Trent Dilfer or Mark Brunell.
Two Kinds of RB:
Almost every team that doesn’t have a stud RB has a great complementary back to him. Platoon RB is the trend in the NFL. So, if we can divide that into to solid players like we tried and failed with Scott and Benson, then we will have a great team. There are also a larger amount of speed/combo backs in the draft right now than bell cows. So if we sign a bruiser, we can draft someone like Isaiah Pead later.
Speed WR:
We got the slot guys in Hawkins, Shipley, and Whalens. Green is our stud #1. We have a pass catching TE that does wonders with the pass underneath. What we need is a WR that can blaze up the sideline and stretch the defense out underneath where everyone else works. Of course, we don’t need another locker room issue…
TEs:
Another TE that can block and catch, so that Gresham can flex out more would be great. Also, since Gresham doesn’t seem that good at running the seam, someone who is decent at running a straight go route from the TE would be nice.
OGs: Yeah lots of dreams here. But we need more than afterthoughts and retreads on our line. Bobbie would be a nice plug, and he is amazing in the locker room, but we can’t count on him to fix the line. He can be a part, not the solution. That said, guard seems pretty weak in FA this year. And the draft always seems to be deep, but somehow we never come out of the Draft with OL studs lately. Dunno.
DT:
Sims was missed. We need that Hogg to plug the middle. Someone like Jones who can tag team with Geno and push the pile backwards with skill on 3rd down would make Fanene and Rucker less of a priority, meaning we could draft more athletic freaks of nature to wreak havoc on the edges and worry less about hybird DT/Es. Still would be great to have them back though…
CB:
Adam Jones doens’t work. Maybe as a nickel. Jennings was the same. Clements is great, but he is reaching that age of no return. Can’t count on him forever. We could address our need of CB depth and age by FA instead of the draft. Then grab a solid CB late in the draft to develop and round out the roster.
Safety:
We can’t keep using afterthoughts as our last line of Defense. The great defenses have shown that having a topflight Safety can put your D over the top. Polumalu, Reed, Wilson, etc. This can be manipulated be diving the safety skills into two players, however. Bring a head banger and pass hawk in back, and you have one stud in two players. Nelson needs to come back, but he is a liability sometimes in pass coverage. But he has a nose for the run. We need to pair him with someone like Sean Jones or Griffin to really have a standout tandem in our secondary.
Kicker:
Nugent made this position a huge strong point for the team. He is from Centerville. This is his home. He needs to stay here at all costs.
I feel I need to respond since you wrote so much!
What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.
by jimbasa on Jan 21, 2012 8:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
lol
personally
I don’t want to see Marvin fired, I want him to be promoted to G.M. while handing the reigns over to Zimmer as head coach and hiring Jack Del Rio as Defensive Coordinator. Who Dey!!!
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM EST replyactions 2 recs
lol
me too…good lord buddy..Thats like two articles right there..
"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"
by ticalcaldwell on Jan 21, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
make a fan post
personally
I don’t want to see Marvin fired, I want him to be promoted to G.M. while handing the reigns over to Zimmer as head coach and hiring Jack Del Rio as Defensive Coordinator. Who Dey!!!
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM EST replyactions 2 recs
HU-DEY
I agree with extending Zimmer,but i think he is interested in becoming a HC and has done his time,the Bengals should
just let the process work itself out
The D-line coach,brings to mind Odom,and Geather’s,i think he may be benefiting from great talent more than anything else
Fanene and Rucker+ Sims should be back
Addressing Guard’s is the most important part of the off-season,i’m not content with just one FA,we need 2 starting quality guards,If Bobbie is going to be one of them,then at least get rid of Livings and bring in a guy who can step in and play when called on.
Gruden for all the hype about a HC position,IMO he was worth that and more,i still believe many Bengal fans dont really understand his true value to this team.
If we really fix the line,have a running back who can provide any pass-blocking,that will free up Gresham to become
the TE we all think he can be
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
Yes - get some guards in FA
A Jones – Nickel and Punt returuner if he’s not too much a head case
2nd Receiver in FA
1st Round – DB, RB if makes sense or guard.
Resign Nelson and some of the DL guys
Reports are Joe Paterno has passed away
AJ Green = Optimus Prime
by Helmsy on Jan 21, 2012 9:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Then again maybe not
Mixed reports now
AJ Green = Optimus Prime
by Helmsy on Jan 21, 2012 9:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Zimmer is already one of the highest paid coordinators in the league
The only way they keep him is by giving him head coach money…3 million or more…no one is going to do that for a coordinator.
I got a bone to pick with this analysis
Your sack numbers dont account for quality of opposition.
In December playing 4 games against playoff teams, the Bengals had just 7 sacks against Houston, Pitts, Baltimore. That is poor and has to be improved by upgrading the pass rush.
December is the important month, it’s when teams depth is tested, it’s when players aren’t 100 percent and the games are big. With the bad rush stats in December, along with the poor pass rush, the Bengals need to add more talent via draft or FA.
Bobbie Williams is 35 now, and should not be back. If he comes back it means Boling was a bad pick and the team was too cheap In FA. IN short it shows the Bengals aren’t developing young linemen.
Boilings natural position is LG
And if we don’t pick up a RG in FA or the draft Williams is our best option. Although I hope we’re in the position that we don’t need him. We’ll see.
by Bigcatdaddy on Jan 22, 2012 2:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions

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