2012 Senior Bowl: Bengals Interested In Boise State RB Doug Martin?
by Jason Garrison on Jan 24, 2012 1:04 PM EST
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As you know, the 2012 Senior Bowl, a college football all-star game in which top-tier players from northern schools play against NFL prospects from southern schools. According to Eric Galco, the Director of Scouting for OptimumScouting.com, the Bengals seem interested in Boise State running back Doug Martin as a scout from the team has been talking to him separate from the rest of the players and scouts.
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The Bengals are definitely in the market for a new running back and this Ray-Rice like back could fit the bill. In the last three seasons, Martin, who stands at 5-foot-9 and weighs 223 pounds, carried the ball 593 times for 3,324 yards and 43 touchdowns. Right now ESPN Insider ranks Martin as the eighth best running back in this draft class.
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Martin could end up being my #2 RB overall. Would be a great fit for Bengals.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 1:11 PM EST via Android app reply actions
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Agree, Joe. The more I hear about this kid, the more I like. He’s build like a brick-you-know-what-house.
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by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 24, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Plus being shifty, quick, elusive, return man, can pass protect, and can catch. Plays with low center, good balance. I really like him.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 1:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Any idea on his speed/40 time, Joe?
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by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 24, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
4.45-4.55
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 1:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
4.40-4.45
Pead is faster, but 30 lbs lighter
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 1:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
maybe Pead can get into late 4.3s (4.35 - 4.40)
He looks that fast on tape, just wonder how much weight he’ll add by combine.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 1:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
im really not sure, if he needs to add that much weight anyways
its not really his running style to run through people. but im sure he can add 10-15 pounds to his lower body with out losing a step.
AMAS
He said yesterday that he wants to add some body fat. He’s only at 5%. He’d be best suited to add it throughout his body.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 1:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
true... he would know better than any of us if the extra weight would help or not
but the thing the really caught my eye, was when the bearcats lined Pead on the line of scrimmage as a WR. That shows me a lot about his hands and feet work. He is going to be a steal where ever he is drafted.
I definitely need to look more into this Martin guy. Because it looks like we can still get the back we need in the 2nd round.
AMAS
he looks closer to the 4.45 than to the 4.55
benson is/was about a 4.55 and this guy seems at least a bit faster.
I agree but Indy is a slow track now. Benson is probably a 4.65 guy currently.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 4:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
YESSSSSSS
Number 1 fan of drafting him. Would be great fit for us and a good value in the 2nd round.
What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.
Agree---
there are going to be some RBs with good upside there in the 2-3 rounds—Martin is definitely a good choice.
I'm liking this kid more and more everyday.
In the 2nd Round he would be a steal…
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I would love to grab in rnd 2
Looking like similar combine numbers as Ray Rice, but with a little more mass to him and a stronger upper body. And definitely has the team first “go to work” attitude Marvin strives for. Great addition to the team.
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Cardinals fan since I realized I had a choice.
Like the idea of going RB in 2nd-3rd versus early.......
glad we’re doing some homework on this guy. From what I’ve read he sounds like a good fit for our system.
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by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 24, 2012 1:19 PM EST reply actions
YES!
Martin is my next favorite back in the draft behind Richardson, I’d much rather have Martin later on than Miller in the first.
Martin!
Great stuff. Kid will be special
by Cincinnati222 on Jan 24, 2012 1:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He is good.
This guy is good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4yCMXMK-bY
by Lawrence Tyler Larson on Jan 24, 2012 1:29 PM EST reply actions
I think we might have to move up
In the second to grab him. He is my favorite back in the draft and reminds me of ray rice. Who is a pure power back that we can pair him with. My original thinking was we take Polk and then take lamichael James late but I think with Martin u need a bruiser and Scott becomes expendable
by beast_ on Jan 24, 2012 1:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Martin would be the bruiser...
The dude is a rock. Scott’s not expendable??? You keep them both!
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by Dwight Carter on Jan 24, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I like Ganaway
round 5-6. Built like a truck.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 2:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
looks like, outside of Richardson falling to the 17th pick, we will get our RB in the second rd
AMAS
Somebody I highly respect (Russ Lande) has the Bengals taking Martin at 21.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 1:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
wow
I would be very surprised if that happens… but i guess we will get a better idea after the combine
AMAS
I think people know what they have in Martin. By him looking really good at SR bowl, just shows that he can still stand out in elevated talent. Dude is a gamer. He can’t improve stock anymore. Late first – Mid 2nd
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 1:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
So basically...
if the Bengals don’t take him at 21 they are SOL??? The Miller vs Martin debate would be a interesting write up =)!
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by Dwight Carter on Jan 24, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
now you’re talking! Good idea.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 2:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Anyone (Joe G?) know how old Doug Martin is??
I can’t find his DOB anywhere online. The reason I ask is that he was on BSU’s roster as far back as 2007 (so he could already be like 23/24), and he’s had close to 500 carries in college already, so his shelf-life (which is already super short for NFL running backs) may already be half expired if he’s, say, already 24. Lamar miller is only 21 and has had about 200 fewer carries, just by way of example.
In addition, and by way of comparison, Ray Rice is still ONLY 24 (and he’s already a 4-year seasoned pro.
This comment speaks nothing about Martin’s abilities as an NFL caliber), because by all accounts he is a very good prospect.
I am just curious about his age. Anyone know his age/DOB? I can’t find it anywhere online.
by The_Black_Stripes on Jan 24, 2012 1:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Good point
as long as you don’t run him into the ground and split the carries he’ll be fine.
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by Dwight Carter on Jan 24, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
The Bengals are probably just talking w/him to find out which way the restrooms are :-)
by ephram on Jan 24, 2012 1:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ha! You're right.
I have no clue. I’ll find out.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 2:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
reply was supposed to be to Black Stripes re: Martin’s age
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 2:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Thanks
I can’t find it anywhere.
by The_Black_Stripes on Jan 24, 2012 2:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Im going to go with Pead in the 2nd still
by Touhue Cha on Jan 24, 2012 2:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
thats what im thinking too T-Cha
but I still haven’t looked into Martin. So it could be a Martin in the 2nd if he falls or Pead.
AMAS
Would Anyone Take Martin Over Chris Polk?
If so, Why? Polk at two inches taller is a better comparation to ray Rice. Take away Martins monster game. 20 carries and 200 yards and Polk is clearly the more consisitent of the two as per season stats and week to week stats. Polk had a weak OF Line. Marttin had a Great OF Line.
martins my 3rd behind
Richardson and miller. Martin seems to have a more well rounded game then polk in my far from expert opinion.
by JCompton41 on Jan 24, 2012 2:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Who Did Augustana Play When Kenny Anderson Was Their Quarterback?
by Skeleton Kees on Jan 24, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
For That Matter... Who And Where Is Augustana?
Sometimes it’s good to look outside of the box.
by Skeleton Kees on Jan 24, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Rock Island, Il
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They played UGA
and won! Go to the highlights of that game in 2011!!!
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by Dwight Carter on Jan 24, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
im just looking at his skill set
He’s got speed, he’s strong, decent hands, and runs hard. Polk to me seems like a Benson type back.
by JCompton41 on Jan 24, 2012 2:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
One are where Polk does NOT resemble Benson in the least is his ability as a pass catcher (regardless of how he looks in Senior Bowl practice)
The guy is a natural receiver out of the backfield, and had more catches than most (if not all) of the other top running backs (i.e. more than Richardson, Miller, Martin).
This ability, alone, differentiates him from Benson. Benson literally looked absolutely horrified whenever a ball was thrown his way. It was as if the football were a Texas boating patrol officer – he wanted no part of it, and just looked absolutely horrified of it!
by The_Black_Stripes on Jan 24, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
the lack of home run ability
Is what reminds me o a Benson type player
by JCompton41 on Jan 24, 2012 2:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I follow you
I guess I don’t necessarily need a home run hitter, as long as the back can consistently average over 4.0 per carry (Benson has proven he cannot), can consistently convert third and short (Benson has proven he can’t), can catch the ball out of the backfield (Benson has proven he can’t), has a nose for the goalline (Benson has proven to not have this ability), has the ability to make people miss/is elusive (Benson has proven to not have this ability), and has good vision (Benson has proven he doesn’t), then I am ok if the back doesn’t necessarily have home run ability. In the WCO, vision, patience, and receiving ability are all desired skills, not just home run ability.
by The_Black_Stripes on Jan 24, 2012 2:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i agree 100% with that
But I think Martin shows all that, with home run ability. I do like polk too, just like Martin better.
by JCompton41 on Jan 24, 2012 3:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ray Rice wasn't thought to be a homerun hitter....
He surely showed us lol!!!
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by Dwight Carter on Jan 24, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Polk got alot of carries
I really liked him but the more I watch tape he really ain’t a upgrade over none of our running backs. We need a game changer and Polk doesn’t have that in him.
by pray4gm11 on Jan 24, 2012 2:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Polk is not impresing
at the Senior Bowl practices…
by Oregonbengalsfan on Jan 24, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Wait a Minute.
Its the game that counts.I will wait and see how Polk plays with a great line.
If he's not impressing in practice
he’s not going to impress in the game…
by Oregonbengalsfan on Jan 24, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Andy Dalton didn't overly impress anyone this time last year at the senior bowl practice
I even recall him fumbling the center-qb exchange a couple of times. Scouts were impressed with his demeanor and leadership skill, and all the intangible stuff that makes Dalton great, but stictly speakign of ON FIELD practices, A.D. was not overly impressive at the Senior Bowl last year.
You have to put these specific practices in their proper context. It is PART of the evaluation. The practice, in it of itself, is not the know all, end all.
by The_Black_Stripes on Jan 24, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
No it's not the know all, end all
but as a RB if you can’t show something in practice, I’m not betting on you in a game.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Jan 24, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
as of today
Polk is 2A and Martin is 2B
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 2:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
yes
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 8:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
What?
Polk is 5’11" 220lbs and Rice is 5’8" 212lbs. Martin is clearly closer to Rice when it comes to size at 5’9" 210lbs. I would take Martin over Polk. Martin doesn’t have an injury history and seems to play at a faster speed than Polk. Plus Martin was a productive running back in a pass happy offense. IMO Martin just seems like a more complete back and I would consider him the 2nd best RB in this draft behind Richardson.
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by ItsAlwaysSunnyInDayton on Jan 25, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
Tell ya what,
There’s a lot that I like about this kid: his build, his hands, his feet, his BRAIN…. But, the biggest thing I’ve seen that I love is speed, speed, speed. I just don’t think you can measure this guys football speed on a track. Sure, straight line speed is needed to know, but his speed on the field is ridiculous. I’ve seen him play a couple times, but I’m sitting here watching this cat beat a DB to the corner of the endzone when the DB’s are taking great angles to the ball and their 40 times are probably right around the same, if not faster, than his. And it’s not just one DB. He’ll beat the Safety and the Corner from the front side of the field. That’s ridiculous
by whodeycommish14 on Jan 24, 2012 2:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
+1
My thoughts exactly. The highlights posted by Lawerence above there show him blowing past DBs (even if it is lesser competition).
by Animal_Like_Football on Jan 24, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Polk Had Alot Of Carries Is My Point
22.5 carries per game. Durable and never hurt except for a minor leg injury.
He has had 2 shoulder surgeries in college
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by ItsAlwaysSunnyInDayton on Jan 25, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
wouldn't read too much into it
The Bengals should be talking to everyone running back in the draft at this point!
Wes Bunting today:
Running backs in my view are the toughest players to evaluate during a week of practice at any all-star game. However, even with that being said Washington RB Chris Polk hasn’t been real impressive up to this point. He doesn’t display much of a first step, there is no real explosive quality to his game and he struggled in pass protection. Overall, he doesn’t look like a top three running back prospect to me in the class.
On the other hand, Boise State RB Doug Martin showcased a good first step; natural forward lean and can quickly decipher information at the line of scrimmage and change directions. He’s a fluid kid with a thick build and his initial quickness really stood out for a back his size. Looks like a future starting caliber running back at the next level.
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by Evil Monkey on Jan 24, 2012 2:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The Only Knock on Martin is that
He didnt face top teams each week
besides Geogria 1st week and Arizona State Bowl game and TCU week 11 and maybe San Diego State week 12
what powerhouses did cincy play?
by JCompton41 on Jan 24, 2012 2:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
id say
Wvu, Tenn, and pitt are about the same as az state, tcu, and Georgia.
by JCompton41 on Jan 24, 2012 3:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
+1
and quite frankly, Boise had/has more talent all around than Cincy
personally
I don’t want to see Marvin fired, I want him to be promoted to G.M. while handing the reigns over to Zimmer as head coach and hiring Jack Del Rio as Defensive Coordinator. Who Dey!!!
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM EST replyactions 2 recs
so
Pretty much the same level of teams.
by JCompton41 on Jan 24, 2012 3:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Powerhouses??
Boise State doesnt Face Good/Great/Powerhouse team each week in and week out
besides USF,Pittsburgh and UConn are more competitive then Boise’s Conference and NC State is better than Hawaii
USF, Pitt, and UConn
were garbage this year.
Especially Pitt!
by TCfromDubVee on Jan 24, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Garbarge
so are you trying to say Nevada, New Mexico,UNLV, Fresno State and Wyoming are better than USF Pitt and UConn??!?!?!?!
Didn't watch those teams.
I do however know those BE teams listed as powerhouses are not powerhouses or even close.
by TCfromDubVee on Jan 24, 2012 10:27 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Those are not powerhouses except maybe WVU and a SEC school.
Big East is bad at football.
by TCfromDubVee on Jan 24, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
i don't think the big east is that terrible but its definately not the SEC
which no other conference is at this point.
I think you can see enough out of a player like pead in the big east to know he will be good.
AMAS
my point is neither has really played top schools
And honestly that doesn’t matter as much to me when looking at a back. If he has speed, he will have it playing against lsu, or utep. If he has a burst, he has it. Granted tackles being misses makes people look better, but backs are so hard to scout, and I think that’s because game film sometimes doesn’t show the skills needed to be a back In the NFL.
by JCompton41 on Jan 24, 2012 10:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Love Marting
I’ve expressed my interest to get Richardson if he drops, but I would be much happier if that option never presented itself and the Bengals were abel to get a stud Guard (DeCastro) and a starting caliber CB (Jenkins, Dennard, Kirkpatrick) in the first round and Martin in the second round. Highlights of this kid remind me of Ray Rice; low to the ground, quick, can move side to side, and always falls forward.
See?
I think he’s better than when Ray Rice came out of Rutgers. Ray Rice was tough to tackle because he was hard to see and had the heart of a Lion. Not to mention his legs are like tree trunks, but Martin has what Ray has NOW. Great build, great hands, great feet and he has the ability to see the field.
by whodeycommish14 on Jan 24, 2012 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He is better than Rice at this sane stage in career. Rice took off with an NFL workout regiment
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 2:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
He sure did
I watched Rice all season that year at Rutgers. I remember laughing when the Ravens picked him, but stopped laughing when I saw Rice run into the huddle and saw that he was jacked. I looked at a buddy and said, “Wellp, that’s what an NFL training program can do to you.” Everything else after that was blur because he was all over the field that afternoon in Baltimore.
by whodeycommish14 on Jan 24, 2012 3:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
See, I really liked Rice
First time I saw him was in the International Bowl. He lit it up and I was in love.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 3:02 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
do u feel like the league is transitioning back to smaller RBs?....
i feel like smaller RBs have an advantage now, just because they get lost behind the line and they are quicker than everyone else.
AMAS
I do
especially with the passing game being the focal point and the two-back systems everywhere.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 3:04 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yea, definately
i feel like, we just need the right compliment to Bernard and Leonard. I think the RB we draft takes the majority of the load, but they split touches more than las year.
To me, we need to draft the best RB with speed and hands to really compliment the guys we have now.
AMAS
+1
In the end, it comes down to who is available and who they believe fits in the offensive gameplan the best. To me Pead has everything you look for in a RB, I do like Martin too. In Today’s nfl you don’t need a running back to carry it 20-25 times a game you need 2 guys that can compliment each other and each get it 10-12 times a game maybe more.
i agree with Pead
There is something about him that makes me think he is a special back. Pead has great awareness and vision and hands. I said he reminds me a lot of chris perry. But could he possibly be the next marshal faulk???
AMAS
I like them both
I have no problem with Martin in the 1st or second round to replace Benson and Pead in the 3rd or 4th to replace Scott.
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Well, I guess it kinda goes back to the "heart of a Lion" comment I made before
That was a screwy season in college football. Teams dropping in and out of the top five and ten like it was crazy. He played on Thursday night football like three times that season and I really liked what he could eventually bring to the table. I thought he was very smart, crafty, and did a great job of avoiding the deep blows that can hamper a smaller backs body. I just didn’t think he would get that big in such a short period of time. He gained weight, then put muscle on top of it. Incredible…. It was based off of size (my opinion on him in that draft). I just thought that in order to draft him, you would need to use him like Darren Sproles, but I’m not an expert, nor do I like to think I am haha.
by whodeycommish14 on Jan 24, 2012 3:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i followed rutgers just because i liked rice
I was really hoping the bengals would draft him.
by JCompton41 on Jan 24, 2012 10:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you forgot Stephon Gilmore in your CBs
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 2:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
No he didn't lol!!!
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by Dwight Carter on Jan 24, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
And by "See?"
I didn’t mean to be disrespectful. Was just stating an opinion.
by whodeycommish14 on Jan 24, 2012 2:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Martin his real deal also
Looks faster than everybody on feild. We lack elite speed on offense if we get him he takes us to another level. And another one of them high character guys coming from big time winning program. Would be solid pick up in 1st after we take corner.
by pray4gm11 on Jan 24, 2012 2:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Chris Polk Was Team Captain!
Need I say other?
+1
"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"
by ticalcaldwell on Jan 24, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Ask Bernard Scott, lol
isnt thats why we only kept 2 QB’s because we knew Scott can throw just remember his pass when he scored the TD in Jacksonville ahahaha
I would like to see a T-cha and Joe G side by side mock draft round table
anyone agree?
sorta like our own Mel Kiper and Todd Mcshay….
AMAS
So two days of Senior Bowl
scouts talk to two Running Backs…..hmmmmmm
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He's not there
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 3:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
man I want Barron bad
Miller and Barron….
"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"
by ticalcaldwell on Jan 24, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I really think Barron
Would be a menace to the AFCN on the football field. That dude is so bad. And I mean bad as in good.
by whodeycommish14 on Jan 24, 2012 3:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I totally agree with you guys
only 1 problem, what happen if we take Barron in the 1st and Mays totally beat him out for the starting SS and then suddenly we have trouble with PT at the SS spot??
I don't think we could have enough SS or FS.
especially in the AFCN. If that was the case, where mays was good enought to beat out Barron. I would move Barron to FS, Mays at SS, and have Nelson as an extra CB to spy, biltz, cover etc…. Give nelson more freedom
AMAS
ahhh i see, sounds good too, but can Nelson cover WR in the slot and on the outside
if he can then we are going to have a Scary Secondary for years to come
for sure!
but that was his knock coming from the jags, that nelson was horrible with his coverage. didn’t really see that here and Nelson seemed to be covering for Crocker a lot.
Put nelson in position where he can roam around and he will be very similar to Troy Polamalu.
AMAS
wait why not have Barron and Mays in a Special Package with Reggie
Reggie as the FS and Barron as the SS and Mays as the Short zone cover safety so Nelson can roam in the back and Barron and Mays can hit anyone coming into their zones??
West Virginia ran that when Rich Rod was there
3 down lineman,3 linebackers, 2 corners and 3 safeties. Not sure if it would work in the pros but its definitely intriguing idea.
by EPK1979 on Jan 24, 2012 3:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
we don't have the personell to do 3 down linemen
but we can take a LB out and place Mays in one of those spots.
AMAS
I was just saying how WV ran it
It would interesting to see, even though I dont see Nelson hold up consistently in one on one coverage.
by EPK1979 on Jan 24, 2012 3:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and are still in the superbowl
That shows it can be done and done good. If it gets the best players on the field I’m all for it. I’m sure it would only work for special packages and vs select teams.
by JCompton41 on Jan 24, 2012 10:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think this is the year the light goes on in Mays head
He showed promise late in the year, especially against the first game against the Texans. Thats why i dont think safety gets picked round one. I also hate to mention, Crocker is still under contract and there is a lot of man love for him by the coaches.
by EPK1979 on Jan 24, 2012 4:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Draft Pick Value Chart
Does anyone know if the 2012 value chart takes into account the lower rookie wage scale? I curious to see the impact.
to me, it would increase the value of a rookie, especially in the first round
you get talent for cheaper, so you don’t have to worry about the cap as much.
AMAS
You are correct
It makes getting good value and not reaching for players essential. We can add impact players in the first and they wont cost that much.
by EPK1979 on Jan 24, 2012 4:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
what I mean is
does it make the value curve steeper, or flatter? It used to be so prohibitive to trade up in the first round, even to move up a few slots would cost a boatload of picks. It seemed that in the past, there was a correlation between the $ value of a rookie contract at a given slot, and the value in the chart. So with the rookie wage scale now being flatter, it would seem like the value chart should be flatter too. But, as you said, the earlier picks are worth even more now, since the club doesn’t have to invest so much financially, which would imply that the curve would be even steeper, if that’s even possible.
Or… I’m way overthinking this. :)
by EarthwormJim on Jan 24, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
value goes steeper, look at Julio jones last year.
like i said before. The value goes up for a first round pick because money wise they are cheaper. So if your a team you wouldn’t mind 5 first round picks because they are so much cheaper now than 3 years ago.
So if you wanna trade up to the first round, you will have to shell out a lot of lower to mid round picks to get value for that trade. I.E julio jones last year
but everything is relative, so the longer you wait to trade up, its going to cost you more
AMAS
Miller is rumored to need shoulder surgery
Hadn’t heard that before today
I like Martin
But not in the first round. I dont think he will be there in the second when the Bengals draft. Maybe someone will come calling and we can trade down,draft him and pick up a extra pick.
by EPK1979 on Jan 24, 2012 3:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Who would Take Miller over Polk is the Question?!
The wait and see is on the table..Enjoy the Game! I take Polk over Miller. Polk can turn the corner! Simply watch U Tube and deside for yourself. Tape dosent lie.
If that's the logic you're going on
Watch Miller turn a corner on YouTube. I watch him turn two corners on one play against Va Tech. Got outside, turned the right corner, got hit and stuffed, then switched fields and took it around the left corner only to run two DB’s over downfield for a thirty five yard gain out of nothing.
by whodeycommish14 on Jan 24, 2012 3:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That was a sick run. I dont get why people think Miller cant run between the tackles? Holes in the NFL close faster than they do in college. Having a quick intial burst is what should seperate prospects and I dont see that burst in Polk.
by EPK1979 on Jan 24, 2012 3:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah it was
Just when you thought he was going to break down after running about forty yards east-to-west, he completely turns it up and runs over a DB while another one was rapping him low. Guess who the first person to his feet and back to the huddle was? Not the two DB’s. I’ll just say that.
by whodeycommish14 on Jan 24, 2012 4:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not hating on Polk
But i disagree. The Bengals offense hasnt had explosive plays from the running game for decades. Miller brings that element to the table more than any back in the draft.
by EPK1979 on Jan 24, 2012 3:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
MARTIN MARTIN MARTIN
This kid is choice. Perfect fit for Cincy.
To answer about Miller. Miller Runs with Pads high and is too indecisive in the backfield to be great between tackles back. Miller is a beast though, I’m not saying he isn’t. I also wouldn’t mind him in the back field. I just think Martin fits Cincy’s needs better. Martin has better hands, blocks better, isn’t injury prone (his body is built like a boulder), he’s been on a winning team, and I don’t think it will bother Martin if he doesn’t get tons a “touches”. Don’t’ think Martin would start bitching.
"and I don’t think it will bother Martin if he doesn’t get tons a "touches"
absolutely right… just look at the offense that Boise ran and how often they passed the ball with Kellen Moore, and he still produced
"When you see it open up and all you can see is the end zone, it’s hard to describe how relieving it feels." -Ced Benson
by ItsAlwaysSunnyInDayton on Jan 25, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
DAVID WILSON
Not seeing much about this kid from VT. I saw him for the first time against Michigan in the Sugar Bowl and he was quick, slippery, and had an ability to burst through holes he created on his own. Also a fantastic kick returner. Lamar Miller and Wilson offer themselves as return specialists if they end up not being able to carry the RB load.
He’s ahead of Martin, Polk, and Pead in my book.
Martin is a return man also
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 24, 2012 4:56 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yes he is
And a very serviceable one at that
by whodeycommish14 on Jan 24, 2012 5:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He would be a great back up to trent Richardson if we could land both we are easily the most dangerous offense in the NFL with a.j green and if Jordan Shipley come back 85% or better
by Andrew Moore on Jan 24, 2012 6:03 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
U could make a case that Martin is a better overall prospect.
by pray4gm11 on Jan 24, 2012 6:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
true
im all for gettting a guy that can play his position and return kicks. I don’t like that tate just returns kicks, i get what their trying to do. But thats another open spot on the roster if we can get a guy that starts and returns kicks
AMAS
I like Richardson, but he plays with probably the best line in college. Haven’t seen nothing special bout him but great vision. Pead, Martin, James all bring something special.
by pray4gm11 on Jan 24, 2012 8:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Im telling you guys...
Isaiah Pead has something really special about him. Its that gut feeling they talk about, and what is interesting I want Richardson over everbody else for this years draft, but just have that feeling that Isaiah is something huge in the making…
It's nice to have that home run speed
But we need alot more out of a RB than just the ability to take it to the house. We need a guy that’s going to be able to lower his shoulders and plow forward for that 4 yrd gain. Polk and Martin are on the top of my list of RB’s not named Richardson. Their are a ton of guys that are on the street right now that everyone thought would be the next Sanders just because the were fast and had some moves. Scott isn’t a good RB and hasn’t shown he can catch any better than Benson. If we get the chance to take a 3 down back we better jump on it. If not I would be fine with a Pead type back.
by Bigcatdaddy on Jan 24, 2012 10:00 PM EST via Android app reply actions
U really need 3 effective rbs now
Gruden has said his rb don’t need 25+ carries to be effective in his system. If we take Pead early and Ganaway late that a be perfect. Ganaway is type of back ur looking for, 240+ solid speed and is not getting stop on ZERO, 3rd and 1’s. How many teams use 1 rb? Teams just don’t use 1 rb for 3downs anymore.
by pray4gm11 on Jan 24, 2012 11:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wilson or Martin WOULD BE GREAT !!
Wilson is more than just spead,he has power and a nak for finding the end zone.Watch his highlights on utube.Martin reminds me of Rice .Hard to see until it’s to late.Fast feet,able to change direction without losing his speed.Both are better than Miller or Pead and harder to bring down. Besides Miller just went under the knife to fix his shoulder.(we don’t need that already!!) First we need to draft some huge guards that can block or nobody will be running very well.David DeCastro (Guard)17th and then Mark Barron(SS) or Janoris Jenkins (CB)21st.Second round go with a running back Wilson(RB) or Martin(RB).Third round I would go with Cordy Glenn (Guard) Then DL,WR,LB,etc.Get some young guards that we can have for 12-14 years. No more over the hill cheap players.WHO DEY
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