2012 NFL Draft: SB Nation's Latest Mock Draft Has Bengals Taking CB, RB
by Jason Garrison on Jan 30, 2012 1:30 PM EST
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PrintThere has been a steady stream of mock drafts pouring out of every corner of the Internet lately and for the most part they've had the Bengals selecting a cornerback and either a running back, guard or linebacker in the first round. There's no question that there are several needs that the Bengals need to fill and luckily for them they have two first-round picks in 2012.
In SB Nation's latest mock draft, the Bengals once again select a cornerback and a running back.
First at No. 17, the Bengals select North Alabama cornerback Janoris Jenkins.
Jenkins salvaged his draft stock in Mobile as well. In practices he showed the kind of ball skills and ability to take on the biggest and best receivers that once had him considered the top corner in the country. He can play in almost any system.
After losing Johnathan Joseph and now that Leon Hall is recovering from a season-ending Achilles injury, the Bengals need a new cornerback to help shore up the team's secondary. Jenkins certainly is talented but his off-field issues may cause the Bengals to think twice about him. If Jenkins has grown up and is ready to act like a pro, he could be a great asset to any team, however, if he's going to be the next Pacman Jones, he could be destructive to any locker room.
After the Jenkins pick, at No. 21, the Bengals take a running back, but not the one you might think. In earlier mock drafts, it's been Trent Richardson but in this particular mock draft the Rams took him off the board at No. 6. Instead, the Bengals take Boise State running back Doug Martin.
Martin moved up draft boards as soon as he weighed-in at the Senior Bowl last week. That translated to the field. Martin does everything pretty well, even pass blocking. Re-signing Cedric Benson would be foolish for the Bengals when they can replace him with Martin, getting an upgrade at a much cheaper price.
The more I read about Martin, the more I like him. Still, the thought that the Bengals may not be upgrading their offensive line with this pick worries me as I doubt Martin would have much success running against AFC North defenses without a good line. However, I also doubt that Martin would be around when the Bengals went on the clock in the second round so I could understand why they'd take him here.
So there you have it. What do you think about this mock draft?
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It will be hard to upgrade the line without selecting DeCastro. Glenn & Konz would be welcomed additions but also might not be the best value at pick 21 when the 2nd round is full of near-equal talent at Guard.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 30, 2012 1:35 PM EST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Do you think Martin has done enough to get taken in the first round? I’m liking him more and more but I’m still not sure he’s done enough to be taken over Miller at 21.
I think Miller & Martin will battle for the #2 RB spot and each team will have it different. He very well could be taken round 1. If they LOVE him, I wouldn’t wait until pick 53
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 30, 2012 1:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
thats probably my ideal draft too.
at this point at least
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by Brennen Warner on Jan 30, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
CB is a skill position better suited for a top FA
If that happens and possibly a FA guard as well, then go for an ILB and another G.
Agree
I think, like WR, it’s one of the positions you really need to see a guy play at an NFL level before you can evaluate him correctly. Of course, that was my argument against drafting AJ, so if we get a CB to come in and play like he did I’ll happily eat crow again.
What free agent CB would they sign that is/was cheaper than J.Joe and better than Clements & Pacman? None. They aren’t signing a starting CB.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 30, 2012 1:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Not at all. They can sign a Guard for whatever money because they aren’t tied up in the position. Plus almost any FA Guard will be better than Livings
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 30, 2012 2:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Leon Hall wont be back next Season
Take it to the bank. Draft Mark Barron to protect the deep threat . Find a guy who can protect against the deep pass. Grab a hitter who can make a difference. Mark Barron lurking in the backfeild is a hammer. When and will the Bengals ever learn that a Hammer is Force. When is the last time the Bengals went to Home Depot. To fix a Toilet. Just grab a Hammer. Just find guys who want to play with the will of busting chops. if you enter into my turf. I will make you reget. Mark Barron is this Type!
Makes no difference in this league anymore
Hard hitting safeties aren’t necessary when they’re not allowed to hit a receiver until he catches the ball and runs two steps. The reason TEs are taking over the game is because the middle of the field is easy to manipulate with the new rules.
Terell Thomas
He would be cheaper than J-Joe and better than Clements and Pacman but he does have the injury concern.
cb is also one of the most expensive positions to upgrade in fa
has there been any indication during mike brown’s tenure at the helm, he’s willing to spend the big bucks in fa?
if brown makes a move in fa to secure DBs, they won’t be the top guys available. they will be the top guys available for under 3-5 million a year. you ok with another season of 1-3 million dollar DBs filling out our roster?
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
I agree
A lot better long term to draft a CB than pick up a FA. Also lots of FA CBs don’t match previous production when they go to a new scheme.
agree
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 30, 2012 2:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
the exception
bengals have never brought in a big ticket DB unless you count nate at 5 million. which is a long way from 8-12 million per year a top corner would fetch.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
I couldn't disagree with that statement more
CBs are in such high demand that you have to break the bank to get a decent one. Cortland Finnegan is a great example. He’s a very good CB, but it cost top end money to get him. The best place to get a CB is round 1 of the draft, otherwise you are gambling a lot!
as indesignkat brought up
fa corners are not only expensive, they tend to be less effective as they get older. so you pay the bank for one and he plays like half the player you paid for.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
And they're used to another scheme whereas a draft pick could learn right away.
Paul Brown Stadium, where everyone's hopes go to die.
Unless Richardson is available,
Bengals shouldn’t take RB in the first round. I love Martin, but I need him to stand out like Richardson before a first round pick is used on him. I think there are far better, NFL ready players that will be available. Now, if he falls to the Bengals in the 2nd, grab him.
Just out of curiousity
If Martin broke a 4.4 fourty @ the combines would you consider taking him in the first round?
martin is going to be a hindsight draft pick
if we take him in the 1st and he dont work, its chris perry deja vu. if we skip drafting martin because we hoped to get him with a later pick, its steven jackson deja vu.
martin breaks a 4.4 or gets a 4.4, he’s going late 1st round. the injury to miller has teams looking at martin already.
i’d really rather have a solid CB and a super G from the 1st round and settle for polk in the 2nd than reach for martin. in 3-4 years, if martin is superman in the nfl, chalk it up to hindsight.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
I agree
Martin runs 4.4 he will go in the first. I don’t think he will I think he has more quickness than speed. Also, I’m pretty sure Miller will run at the combine and his shoulder injury isn’t severe enough to make him slide drastically, unless he puts up a bad 40 at the combine. I don’t see that happen. With his size and speed, GM’s will be slobbering over themselves.
miller's shoulder injury is only affecting his draft with one team
cincy would have taken him at 21 if richardson were gone. now, i have doubts. expect miller to slide into end of 1st or top of 2nd. like a #30-50 pick
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
I actually thinks he stays as a mid first rounder
His explosiveness is what will set him apart from other running backs. He has elite burst and speed. He won’t run a lot of people over and he won’t get as much yards after contact as Richardson but he will get a lot of big yardage plays. Not going to compare him to Barry Sanders but he will be kind of like him. Where Sanders would be getting 2 yards here 4 yards there, then he would break a 40-50 yard run.
I think that will move him up draft boards, but it won't make me more excited about him
We have plenty of tape showing how fast he is in games. How fast he is on a track is irrelevant.
I agree with most in that if Richardson isn’t available (and I still think he might be, RBs haven’t gone in the top 16 in the draft hardly at all the last decade) then I say wait until the 2nd for RB. Is there really a big difference betwen Martin and Polk, Miller, Gray, Pead, etc?
The only really strong feelings I have about RB in this draft are that we grab one in the first few rounds, we take Richardson if he’s available, and we absolutely do NOT take the kid from Virginia Tech. Fumble-prone and talks exactly like Cedric Benson. He ran the ball 14 times for 30 yards, but it’s the coaches fault they lost because they didn’t feed him the ball more. Screw that guy.
with you on david wilson
on paper i liked his stats, then seen the fumble issue come and then the comments. might as well resign benson and save the draft pick if wilson is our option.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
I've been a fan of Martin for awhile now...
but if the OL isn’t addressed then is he the type that can get YAC? And if CB isn’t addressed then the biggest need hasn’t been addressed. CB and G would be my first two choices pending who is available. This may very well change if a top G isn’t available or vice versa…but even then I’d have trouble going with a RB in the 1st.
If Bobbie has another year left, and comes back strong after his injury
I’m not too worried about the line, at least not from a run blocking perspective. The line opened HUGE holes for Benson most of the year. He almost never got yards after contact, and when he did he often fumbled for his efforts, so the fact that he averaged almost half a yard better per carry than he has for most of his years is proof the line can run block.
I want the line addressed, but the notion that no RB could succeed beind our line is just silly. Benson is by FAR the worst starting RB in the league and has been since he was drafted. There are at least 40 guys that could have easily gotten 1200-1400 yards behind our line last year.
The line opened HUGE holes for Benson most of the year
that’s not true, come on now. our line is crappy at run-bocking, you are lying to yourself if you think Benson was the only problem.
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by Brennen Warner on Jan 30, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
DeCastro plays RG
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 30, 2012 4:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think his line-up is just a bit askew
Whit at LT. Andre moves back to LG, since he is a natural on the left side. Cook at center. DeCastro at RG and Collins at RT. That’s a good O-line right there.
Where does this natural left side thing keep coming from? He played LT in college because that’s where your best lineman plays. Not because he was more comfortable or natural there.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 31, 2012 5:24 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
The point is that he played the left side for his entire career before he came to the Bengals
That, in itself, makes him more natural on the left side. Its no different than it is with Boling. The footwork and hand work is the exact opposite when you move to the right side. Some guys can’t make that adjustment. I think Andre has been good on the right side but I believe moving him back to the left where he has played the majority of his career could make him dominant again. It will be more instinctual. Under the scenario it also keeps DeCastro on the right side where he has been used to playing.
He averaged almost 4 yards per carry without ever breaking a tackle or juking anyone into missing
that’s all the o-line
Admittedly the last few games they looked pretty bad, but up to that point they’d been pretty damn solid. The stats don’t lie. Benson had his 2nd best ever ypc avg if I remember right. Do you remember ever seeing him break a tackle this year? The line giftwrapped every yard he got.
Is Martin North and South
I wanted Chris Polk over Martin. Maybe i wrong. Martin may be the guy. I only wanted Polk orer Martin because Polk can Bounce to the sidelines. Polk is more of an east west threat.
I think you’re mixing the two RBs up.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 30, 2012 1:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
polk is a little pinball with hands
martin’s hands are less than polks but he’s faster than pol
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
Alright…
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 30, 2012 2:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
you understand i'm agreeing with you on polk being more north south
and martin being more east west.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
I was confused.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 30, 2012 3:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
honestly...
I think they’d be a reach in the first too, I starting the feel that a second round RB is a good move, maybe use one of our late picks for ocho to move up in the second
If Richardson is there, take him.
But if he is gone, and we can upgrade CB and O-line, then we need to do it and get a RB later.
Trent is out of the equation.
Get real. Only guys left of value are Miller and Polk . Trent R will be long gone. So will be Decastro. Dallas will grab up Decastro in a heartbeat.There goes David. What a shame. Imagine Decastro next to Whit.
If Kirkpatric Slips
Like some are projecting, I could easily see Dallas grabbing him ahead of DeCastro. Dallas has basically the same needs as us
DeCastro plays right guard, he'd be next to Andre, and maybe move either Collins or Andre to left guard.
Paul Brown Stadium, where everyone's hopes go to die.
Martin all day
Been saying this for the longest. If he is there the Bengals will grab him.
Biggest factor here is free agency. With this draft I hope they address some needs in free agency with the O-line. But I would take Martin. Waiting till the second would be a mistake. If Richardson is there at 17. Martin who.
by Cincinnati222 on Jan 30, 2012 2:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Here's the upside
The bengals select a corner with the #17 pick. Any corner.
When Oakland comes to Cincinnati in 2012, the cornerback that was drafted with the Palmer pick lines up on a corner blitz at some point during the game, and sacks Palmer so hard his lower intestines burst into flame.
At least, that’s how I have it working out. You know, in my head.
I like it
but I like seeing Palmer throw pick sixes for other teams even more. I hope he has another 4 years in the league at least, as long as he isn’t in Cincinnati.
It really depends on what they wabt the run game to look like next season.
If they have a different style in mind they might draft accordingly, but they may draft first then adjust the style to the personnel. If they plan on keeping it the same I would go for Glenn or Osemele over DeCastro. Then add Polk in the second. If they want to go more stretch plays I’d take DeCastro with Miller, Martin, or Wilson. This whole thing is driving me nuckin futs! Once they make that first pick I think we will see what direction their going to go.
by Bigcatdaddy on Jan 30, 2012 2:39 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I have a feeling Decastro will be gone... but you never know
Watching Stanford Jennings kick return in the Super Bowl was the out of body experience of my sports life.
Janoris Jenkins
Wow if he is available at 17…. jump on it, I think he could be the real deal, a playmaker who can turn and run with top recievers…. then Cordy Glenn at 21… I know running back is exciting and tempting…but much safer to upgrade the interior line.
Watching Stanford Jennings kick return in the Super Bowl was the out of body experience of my sports life.
jenkins probably will be there at 17 and who we take
provided decastro and richardson are off the board
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
That would be a boom-or-bust draft. High bust rate for both players.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 30, 2012 3:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
you made a funny
you said “high bust rate” while jenkins name was in the conversation, doing it too without meaning his off the field issues.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
by palewook on Jan 30, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
are you still a fan of
Stephon Gilmore over Jenkins Joe, even after Jenkins showing at the Senior Bowl? I’m curious to see if Gilmore starts moving up draft boards
Yes. Jenkins didn’t do anything spectacular at the Sr.Bowl. He looked exactly the way he should have. No? I expected it. If he came in at 5’11" and showed a nose for the run game, I might have moved him up. Ya know?
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 30, 2012 4:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
you wanted him in heels at the senior bowl did you?
~
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
Huh?
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 30, 2012 4:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
you wanted him to come in at 5'11
which is 2 inches higher than he scales at
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
Did I want him to? Sure
My point was: Had Jenkins measured in a 5’11", that would be reason to move him up. I’m not hurting his grade because he’s 5’9" because I expected something close to that. His grade already reflected his height. But if he showed up at 5’11", it would’ve changed some things.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 30, 2012 4:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Those 1 on 1 drills are advantage: WR. It’s not about winning & losing. You’re supposed to be looking at footwork, balance, back peddle, transition, Aggressiveness, ability to locate ball and make a play on it. Then closing speed, recovery, ability to jam, play off man, and overall athleticism.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 30, 2012 4:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
On the field, to me, he’s 100% a first rounder. A top 20-25 talent. Only his size hurts him. (again, on the field.)
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 30, 2012 4:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Martin in the first?
I hope they don’t do this. I see value in getting him in the second, but at #21, it seems like we are drafting him at his ceiling.
This draft seems like it is set up for us this year. It is deep at most of the positions we need (guard, corner & WR). So unless there are still a handful of the elite guys still available (deCastro, Richardson, Jenkins, Kirkpatrick) I say we trade the #21 and move back into the 2nd round if we can where we can get better value picks.
I’m on the fence concerning Barron if he falls to us. We need a ball-hawking centerfielder, not a haymaker, otherwise just start Taylor Mays.
i'd rather score 2 starting CBs in the 1st than take Barron and a CB
hall is injured and we have no idea when he’ll be available next season or what condition he’ll be in. in a worst case scenario, hall’s CB days are behind him and he’ll be a safety for the bengals in 2013. i hope it doesnt come to this.
jennings and jones are free agents. nate’s another year older, slower, and a step more behind the fast WRs. Nelson is a FA. ghee is a never-was.
i’d really like to have 2 solid starting CBs going into the preseason. (keep in mind the above assessment is minus any moves we might make in free agency. things could – should, change between now and the draft. i hope.)
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
I'm assuming they address one CB spot in FA
1. Do you really want 2 rookies starting at CB?
2. This would eventually lead to another Hall/Joseph scenario where they won’t resign both so close together.
I’d prefer to keep a veteran in one spot to groom the rookie, and the find a replacement in 2013 or 2014.
Or maybe Ghee will step up?
by EarthwormJim on Jan 30, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
i'm crossing my fingers and hoping hall is 100% on opening day
fearing the worst and considering drafting insurance though
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
Here is the prob
Can the Bengal Line ever understand the fact that an offside penality is the same as a sack. Why does the Off Line give up so many sacks. Who kills Dalton is his own team. Box Score. Dalton was never touched. Daltons line sacks Dalton. Dalton never lost the game. Off line saked Dalton.
Ask Dalton if a penalty is the same as a sack
I’m sure he’d rather walk back 10 yards than dig himself out of the dirt :)
by EarthwormJim on Jan 30, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
But Dalton wasn’t sack a lot…
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 30, 2012 3:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I guess so
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 30, 2012 3:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Green comited an error. Touchdown overturned.
Dalton lost a great throw.
If we want to WIN next year, we should sign an experienced FA at CB.
And get OL & RB in the draft and CB depth in later rounds
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I'm not one to know every player in the draft but I do know this
The NFL grinds up RB’s aggressively. Teams that want to make it in the playoffs cannot rely on their older running back and have worked hard to create a two back tandem.
We need top level RB talent out of the draft and it should be a huge priority.
Of course, we also need help at CB and O line, but I would rank need at RB to be urgent. I’m not even saying it should be our 1A pick, but I would be surprised if we didn’t get a RB in the first round. I default to the staff as to exactly who gets selected in the first round for RB and CB. My guess would be you take the best that is still there and not really need to reach. But we best find a great Guard in the second round and take care of these three priorities before getting all fancy with WRs and LBs.
Wrong! Conan! What is best in life?
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.
Ha. Of course it is.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 30, 2012 3:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
pead in the 2nd still seems like a reach to me
who knows, if the kid can play every down in the nfl at 193 pounds and have a long career, he’s a steal in the 2nd.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
i can so see the pats making a move on him
with ben a FA
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
All Media says that The Bengals are Easy to Plan For.
Bengals need a Hammer. Someone who can play Ray Lewis Football. Grab a Hammer. Mark Baron is this Type, A guy who protect his turf.
But can Barron cover
I keep seeing all this Barron love, but from what I’ve heard he can’t cover… We need a S who can cover.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Jan 30, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
c
he sounds like an upgrade to the secondary, remember fulcher williams they where like xtra backers didnt need to cover when u know they r coming
Cover is the deed to be at the right place at the right time,
Who can the Bengals select other than Barron. Who is better as a hammer.
Wait till next year when the safety class has more prospects
or I say take Smith. He can cover
by Oregonbengalsfan on Jan 30, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
s
so where should we start. id take barron and denard and pead martin polk in the 2nd
Smith
wish there was an edit button
by Oregonbengalsfan on Jan 30, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
the last guy that made a little difference was darryl williams
last guy i can remember that roamed the field was darryl williams coorect me if im wrong
he was pretty much the last great bengals safety
bear of it was, we let him go to free agency rather than pay williams. he played here 4 seasons, we drafted him in the 1st, then played his best seasons in seatlle. coming back here to finish his career.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
Sounds familar
I thought Takeo would come back. We seem to groom them and then let another team benefit from that
Correction.....................DAVID FULCHER!!!
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fulcher roxed =)
fuclcher’s prime was 88, williams 98.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
in not on the corner in the first band wagon
The two teams in the superbowl have awful corners but get it done in different ways. I think we can look like the giants with a great pass rush good running game and above average qb play…o really think a corner in the first is unnecessary unless its a revis just my opinion
by beast_ on Jan 30, 2012 3:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
get a clue
Im with childog; mark barron will be playing in the nfl for the next ten years and if we dont grab him the steelers or the ravens will somehow. nelson and crocker =toast
steelers wont get barron
steelers have massive issues to address on both lines
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
hall barron mays jenkins sands miles
I think we draft jenkins barron and martin in the second. get rid of the me me guy like benson is a cancer, pacman is a joke. crocker cant cover like i spell. i also think rey m was too soft and cant fight off blocks. we need a david fulcher , i like barron
I don't why everyone gets so upset over these mocks
It’s a joke Marvin Jones in 1st . We get Janoris Jenkins because everybody figures we’ll take the hard cases, I’m hoping Jerry gets sucked into the hype around him
Barron, Jenkins
Both day one starters… We can get rb or g later in draft and thru free agency.
by pray4gm11 on Jan 30, 2012 4:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
last time bengals drafted day one starters
takeo spike brian simmons
DeCastro, Martin
Both day one starters… We can get cb or s later in draft or thru free agency.
See? I can say things too!
we have another 90 days to flip flop around
we’re all going to between now and then =)
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
Do the Bengals have one guy on roster who can hit. I bet Mark Barron will give Hines Ward a Punch In The Nose?!
Payback is honest.
someone always brings up brandon ghee (and its escaping me who it is atm)
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
Roy Williams made a difference
That’s why we need Barron, nobody can hit or is near ball hawk as this kid. Mays can hit but its times he might flat out miss his target. Barron being playing major minutes all four years and three year starter on the best defense in last 4yrs. He is sleeper of draft to me. Overall best defensive PLAYER in draft.
by pray4gm11 on Jan 30, 2012 4:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
roy was sorta used up by the time we got him
limited coverage skills, solid tackler, good against run. liability in coverage.
(same way you could describe crocker)
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
lol
I was just saying how teams feared him in middle. When u have known reputation as big hitter playersook for u across middle. Who on out team now u would fear?
by pray4gm11 on Jan 30, 2012 5:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Your fav player, Nelson
He brings the wood! You have to remember these guys can’t really hit receivers anymore. I hate it and think the rule could be rewritten but it’s probably not going to be.
by Bigcatdaddy on Jan 30, 2012 5:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
there's no night trains allowed in the nfl any longer
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
49ers hit u in mouth, Seattle hit u in mouth
by pray4gm11 on Jan 30, 2012 6:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What's the name of the kid that played safety for Texas?
He looked pretty good in the games I watched this year.
by Bigcatdaddy on Jan 30, 2012 5:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
If you want a hitter in the secondary
That won’t be a liability in pass coverage, your gonna have to wait next year for Lester, Mcdonald, Holloman, Rambo and Armstrong. All five will be first rounders and way better players than Barron.
barron is good in coverage
Barron is a 4yr player on best defense in nation, he can do it all.
by pray4gm11 on Jan 30, 2012 4:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Barron is no one to mess with. First rounder who will dish it out.
Why is Mark a first rounder? Just because this guy can ton it out. Grab a Hammer. Find Fear! Who on the roster can bring fear! Who in this draft can bring more fear than Barron? I bet Torrey Smith and Mike Wallace will not like their backs with Mark Barron lurking behind!
If I see Chili say "Hammer" one more time!
I’m going to go drown a sack full of puppies. Seriously. Just stop.
by EarthwormJim on Jan 30, 2012 4:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
for what is worth
Everybody says Lester is better in coverage than Barron, but fact of matter is Lester played ss while Barron played fs. Most passing downs Barron played center feild. They were interchangeable on defense for Alabama but Barron is way better than Lester….
by pray4gm11 on Jan 30, 2012 5:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Let's Face It
We need DeCastro and we have to do everything we can to land him. Moving up a couple of spots will not cost that much. The CB’s available to us in the 1st, are a total crapshoot. Martin in the1st is also a stretch, but have no problem drafting the RB of our choice at 17 or 21…..as long we get DeCastro.
Barron is too stiff in his for me.
Also, It’s easy to make plays when everyone around you is dominating at the college level. Barron wasn’t a liability in pass coverage at Bama like he will be in the pros. A lot of his hype is that this year class of safeties is really weak with one dimensional safeties. I don’t hate Barron, I just don’t like him in the first round. I would rather wait next year and get a Holloman or McDonald. Just my opinion.
And Barron is even less proven at the NFL level than Mays
Just don’t see us going S in the first round of the draft when they might be picking up another Mays.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Jan 30, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Two different players
Mays is athletic and was a freak of nature not known for his brains
Barron is really not all that athletic and is a student of game. Rarely gets beat when playing center feild. Barron could come in from day 1 and call out plays for us. It a take 5yrs before Mays would be able to do that.
by pray4gm11 on Jan 30, 2012 6:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Grab a glove Kid
Baseball is a game of cheating, Football is a game of fear. None for the other. Jusy the law of what is and what will never be, Throw the ball. Can you catch the ball? Grab a glove! Throw the ball ! Enter the game with a cool mitt. The Kid got it. Wow is the Mitt. Who ever will forget their first Mitt!? Who will remember the first taste of wine? Who can apart the day of a kid who wants a simple taste of fine wine that was a mitt? Will us ever forget our first mitt? Is Father Son still the value of day? Is the Glove worth It? Was it and will it ever be? Father and Son are both wondering of why Baseball is a cheating game? Steal a sign. Play the game! Grab a Glove Son and understand that Baseball is a Cheating game. Can Baseball be More than what it is? Baseball is and will always be a cheating game. No rules. Just guys with gloves who want to win. Money is the ticket! Curt Flood changed the game! Reserve Clause turned baseball around! Who was the person who Protected the Reserve Clause? Who was the person who broke the Owners? Did or did not the Owners engage the Courts ? Did Landis get it right? Grab a glove kid. Play ball!
I'm halfway convinced QBG, Chili Dog, and pray4gm11 are the same person.
seriously why would we blow a first rounder on a safety in this draft
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
The picture illustrates part of why Martin could be a good pick at 21
He is securing the ball high and tight as he powers through the attempted tackle. He is running with power through his legs and keeping his knees high. All of this equates to ball security, an ability to break tackles and a lack of being tripped up by ankle tackles.
Personally I think he looks like a more athletic Brian Leonard and that would do real well in this offense. I only say “could” b/c if Richardson or DeCastro is there you have to consider them b/c they are higher rated prospects at positions of need. Otherwise I’m not opposed to taking Martin, especially since he isn’t likely to be there in round 2.
As for the FA CB talk. Asante Samuel is the only guy who would be available that I would consider; however, Jenkins is basically a younger version of Samuel. So if Samuel is your best option why not draft Jenkins, the same type of player, who is younger, faster and will cost a lot less money? Free Agency should be focused exclusively on the 2 high profile, pro-bowl guards available and the Bengals’ players who need retained. Outside of that, just sign our own and draft.
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