Jay Gruden Reportedly Told The Jaguars He Was Interested In Head Coaching Position
by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 5, 2012 4:30 PM EST
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PrintEarlier this week NFL Network Insider Albert Breer wrote that the Jacksonville Jaguars have Bengals offensive coordinator Jay Gruden listed as one of the top candidates for the team's head coaching vacancy. According to Breer, Gruden told the Jaguars that was indeed interested in the position but wants to "focus on Saturday's AFC Wild Card Game against the Houston Texans."
Breer writes:
The Jaguars are still expected to bring Gruden in for an interview, but the coach is aware of the risk he is taking in waiting. Gruden was told he's a strong candidate for the opening, according to sources.
If Gruden takes the job, he'll be the third coach to become a head coach that formerly served under Marvin Lewis, joining Minnesota's Leslie Frazier and Oakland's Hue Jackson.
Along with the obviousness of being a head coach, Gruden's heavy Florida connections along with a desperate need to develop quarterback Blaine Gabbert are huge reasons for the possible move to Jacksonville.
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Didn't think I would hear this much about Gruden over Zimmer........
considering Zimmer really deserves an opportunity with his resume and experience in the NFL. Jacksonville is really jumping the gun here, but they tend to do that I guess.
"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
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by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 5, 2012 4:33 PM EST reply actions
It's on offense first league these days
They say defense wins championships, but with the way the rules have changed things are leaning more and more towards offensive philosophies. QBs can’t be touched without a penalty which allows for more aggressive playcalling. QBs are throwing for 400 yards a game on average these days. And with the illusion that Gruden developed Dalton (he was fairly NFL ready prior to Gruden) the Jags probably look at Gruden as the answer to Gabbert being so terrible this year. I think Zimmer derserves a HC job, but I selfishly want him right where he is.
Zimmer hasn't gotten a HC job in 18 years. I wonder why.
What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.
I think it was his choice...
Family and all… Since his wife has passed, I think he’s ready now..
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Nah...
He’s said repeatedly he wants to be a HC. He interviewed somewhere after the 2009 season…Can’t remember where. Didn’t get the offer.
There has been a lot of speculation...
That the general consensus around the league is that he’s a little too “gruff” or whatever to be a head coach and that he’s kind of maxed out as a coordinator. As disappointed as that makes me for him on a personal level, I can’t help but be pretty stoked if it means he sticks here for 10-15 years like LeBeau in Pittsburgh.
As was said in a seperate thread
I dont see this as being a huge loss. Gruden/Dalton/Green took over for Brat/Palmer/Ocho. With the improvement in wins, we all were brainwashed into thinking it was the coaching, but in reality, Gruden ran a fairly plain offense. That is not meant to be a knock on him, but should also open up the Bengals to improve the Offensive Coordinator position. Overall I would like to see Gruden stay, and possibly lure Jon Gruden to be our HC (We can dream, right?). But if he decides to leave, and I think he will, we will have plenty of opportunities to find another OC. Zampese anyone?
Shortened Offseason
I’d like him to stay another season to see if the playbook expands before we pass judgment on his abilities. I would think that the lockout and rookies on offense kept it pretty vanilla.
by HawaiianBengal on Jan 5, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think that's what he's saying though
At least that’s what I’ve been saying. I’d really love to see him have another season or two to expand the playbook with Dalton and AJ. But as of RIGHT NOW we really don’t know that he’s that brilliant of an OC. We don’t know he’s NOT either, but it’s not like he’s proven himself to be the next Bill Walsh and we can’t replace him. So yeah, it would be great if he stayed if for no other reason than continuity is good for the young players, but if he leaves I think he can be replaced. Zim is another story, though I think Jack Del Rio or even Jeff Fitzgerald or John Hayes could do a really good job of trying.
+1
remember, alexneyer, he (a rookie himself) got this group of rookies to the 20th ranked offense in a shortened offseason
Is the 20th ranked offense in the league really THAT impressive?
You’ve got a Pro Bowl #1 receiver, a Pro Bowl caliber set of tackles, a solid enough running game, a near Pro Bowl caliber TE, and a QB with a combined rating of about 80 for the season. That should all be good enough for something hovering around the low end of average given no one has a completely abysmal year. I’m not saying I don’t respect what Gruden has done, but the way some people talk about it around here you’d think this offense had been in the top five. 20th out of 32 is the definition of “below average.”
WHOA WHOA WHOA
You’ve got a Pro Bowl #1 receiver, a Pro Bowl caliber set of tackles, a solid enough running game, a near Pro Bowl caliber TE, and a QB with a combined rating of about 80 for the season.
1) AJ is a pro bowl receiver. agreed.
2) Pro bowl set of tackles? In pass protection yes, but Andre and Andrew have had horrible years in run-blocking. And an offensive line is about more than just the tackles.
3) solid enough run game? No way. Absolutely no way. The run game has ham-stringed this offense the entire year. guard blocking being the main culprit.
4) Gresham is good. But not pro bowl caliber. His blocking has been one of the most inconsistent features of the team this year. I wish Gruden asked him to catch more balls, but thats a minor complaint.
5) dalton, qb rating of 80… I dont disagree with that
anyway my point is that 20th, when 3 key pieces are rookies is good. I expect a large improvement next year, but I think we need to keep Gruden for one HUGE reason: the development of Dalton.
A few minor disagreements
I said Gresh was almost Pro Bowl caliber. I think next year he could make the leap. His blocking has actually been pretty rock solid from what I’ve seen. And look at Whit and Andre’s grades in both pass and run blocking. Both are right up there. The interoir of the line has been what’s caused ALL of the problems with running the ball. And by “solid enough” I mean Ced ran for 1000 yards. That’s clearly not great, but it’s not like we had ZERO running game and Dalton had to do it all on his own. What he did with Dalton is the most impressive. Though, you have to ask yourself, if his most impressive accomplishment is how he brought a rookie QB through his first season, how valuable is that trait after the first season is over? At least that’s how I’d argue it if this were a debate club. I really like Jay Gruden. I hope he sticks around for a while. But if he doesn’t, I won’t lose much sleep. Unless we re-hire Bratkowski. Then I’m becoming a Lions fan.
agreed then
I’m looking for a lot of improvement from 20th next year, but I like what I’ve seen so far and want Gruden to stay
Have you not seen the TE's in the probowl?
Blocking is not they’re thing!
Gronk is one of the best blocking tight ends out there.
but the other tight end… you are right. perhaps that speaks to the failures of the pro bowl yet again
Gronk is an old school prototypical tight end in the Dave Casper
and Bob Trumpy mould. Big, sure handed and powerful. He was just what the Pats needed. Gresham is the new style TE who is kind of a combination TE/WR IMO. Gronk carries tackelers with him. Gresh runs with WR movement. They play the same position but are totally different style of players. What worries me about Gresh is that he is king of a tweener at TE. I really like the guy and I am very glad we have him but you can’t really use him like Brady does Gronk. Gronk thrives on the short crossing pattern and a quick hit and depends on running thru the first defender. Gresh is a guy who thrives on going up and getting it which causes him not to have a firm foundation when he takes his first hit. He is more of a down the field TE. I am not sure he is the style of TE that is a prime fit for the WCO.
Frankly I am not that concerned about losing Gruden. There are other OCs out there who would love to have a chance to coach the potential in this offense. I am also not optimistic about Gruden’s chances in Jacksonville. Several teamshad recently tried to bring relatively inexperienced OCs and DCs to HC I am not as high on Gruden as everyone else seems to be. Teams are gathering film and he hasn’t seemed to me to be able change things up enough to keep from being predictable. Too mant 1st down runs, poorly set up screens, too much reliamce on Green, and lack of a decent play action. He is very good compared to Brat but that is a pretty low standard by which to judge anyone as he was probably one of the bottom 10 OCs in the league during his tenure.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
I agree
The primary stats looked at with TEs are TDs and yards….blocking is mostly not taken into account…but all four of those TEs can run block well…
"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"
by ticalcaldwell on Jan 5, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
In reply to everyone here
I would very much enjoy it if Gruden were to return for another year. I would love to see what he could do with an entire offseason of work with Dalton/Green/ and Richardson (hopefully). However! If he were to take the job in Jacksonville I do not think that it would be a horrible loss for the Bengals. We could promote Zampese to OC, and would not have to much of a loss for the team. Just my take on things.
I've wondered why Zampese hasn't been getting more credit for Dalton's season
Then again, I also wonder why he wasn’t even considered for the job when we fired Bratkowski. When we brought in this no name guy from the Arena League with a brother named John, I just assumed Zampese wasn’t even a serious candidate. Wonder if he’s changed that this year.
I think Zampese interviewed.
but that might have just been a courtesy interview. If Gruden departs? Zampese might be a favorite.
by KSE on Jan 5, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
He is Zampese
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
It'll be James Urban, receivers coach.
He was brought in last year and took a demotion. He was assistant offensive coordinator in Philidelphia and then came here solely to be a receivers coach. Philly runs a WCO, he was key to the development of DeSean, Maclin, etc., and he has had a year to observe Gruden’s offense and work it into his own. Plus he already knows the receivers and Andy and has a working relationship with the front office.
It was always a bizarre move seeing Urban take a demotion but perhaps him and Marvin were anticipating Jay jumping ship.
by Cry on Jan 5, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he was a QB coach in Philly b/c I thought it was wierd he was coming to be our WR coach
But yah you might be right he may be next in line
He was QB coach before asst-OC..
From what I gather he was like a “passing game coordinator”..
by Cry on Jan 5, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Gruden will take him with
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
I still see Manziki getting it.
by whodeycommish14 on Jan 5, 2012 4:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
So here's one from WAY out of left field...
If Gruden leaves, how about Brian Billick to replace him? I know that sounds a little crazy…why would he come back into the league to be a coordinator? But he hasn’t gotten any REAL interest from anyone in the past few years for a HC position. If he had any interest in getting back into coaching at the NFL level, at least a year as an OC might be good for him. He obviously has VERY close ties with marvin and both respect each other tremendously. And if you’ve been following his analysis this season, you’ve seen that he’s absolutely in love with Dalton and AJ and Gresham. He wouldn’t come cheap, but I’d think he might just jump at the opportunity to work with those guys – maybe even prefer to do it as an OC where he can really focus on them instead of the larger managerial responsibilities of being a head coach. Just a crazy idea that came into my head…
I'd
like to see a potential replacement OC come from the same WCO background as Jay Gruden to keep as much continuity as possible with regards to scheme and development for Dalton and the rest of the offensive unit.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Jan 5, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Brian Billick is one of the best OC's to ever come through the league
He set scoring records with mediocre talent in Minnesota (Randy Moss aside). He’s an incredibly smart OC and wouldn’t try to tear up the playbook Dalton already knows. Plus, he comes from the Bill Walsh tree, indirectly. In theory, I agree with you, but if you could get someone with Billick’s credentials I think it wouldn’t matter much.
RE:
Now, now.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 5, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough...
Though a lot of them made the Pro Bowl because they were setting records in Billick’s offense.
+1
The ravens would really hate the bengals then.
Especially after the Bengals sign Grubbs from the Ravens in the offseason.
Paul Brown Stadium, where everyone's hopes go to die.
I doubt that Billick would do that in Cincy
Just for the fact that he’d be working for Lewis, who used to work for him. That’s a tough pill to swallow…
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by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 5, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Funnily enough, that's kind of why I think he WOULD do it here...
Yeah, that’s a weird thing to do, working “for” someone who used to work for you. But in a situation like this, they’re such good friends and respect each other so much it might actually make it easier. And again, I think he’d be doing it to work with Dalton and AJ and Gresh. Let Marvin worry about the rest of the team. Like I said, it’s out there, but maybe not TOO out there?
So crazy it just might work
I dont see it happening but you have some good theories
Billick? OC? I don’t see that at all nor would I want it. I do like mike Marty play calling though. Wouldn’t be upset if he could come here!
by Bengalsredsvictim on Jan 5, 2012 7:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I remember him and his offense being carried bye the defense
He was still getting paid by the Ravens,shows what they thought of him
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
Obviously I'd like him to stay, but it sounds like he's going to jump ship ASAP.
I mean, I’m hoping that we can get a long-term competitive group together – if Gruden is going to jump ship, then I’d just as soon it be this year rather than after next season.
I like the guy, and I think he did a great job this year. I’m not sure how people say "yeah he came in with no off season, a rookie QB and rookie #1 WR, had the go-to slot guy go down and made it work well enough to get a winning record. I’d love to have him back next year – there were some flashes of real creativity and pretty solid play calling – enough that I would expect him to do much better next year with the benefit of this year and the off season.
But if it’s going to happen, I’d prefer that we find the answer at OC sooner reather than later. If his ambitions preclude a multi-year stint as our OC, bully for him but I’d like to see the system we use to establish dominance set up as soon as possible.
I losat the last half of that sentence. It shoudl read:
I like the guy, and I think he did a great job this year. I’m not sure how people say "yeah he came in with no off season, a rookie QB and rookie #1 WR, had the go-to slot guy go down and made it work well enough to get a winning record, but almost any OC would have done that… no biggie.
The thing is, a 20th ranked offense didn't win 20 games
The 7th ranked defense did that. If Zim had put a 20th ranked defense on the field, we probably would have won about 5 games tops. Gruden did enough. What he did was hard to do. I’m not denying that. Much love to Jay Gruden. I just haven’t seen anything YET that shows me he can take that and keep running, turning this into an elite offense. He very well MIGHT be able to do that, but I haven’t seen it yet. So I can’t get too worked up over the possibility of him leaving. Maybe he leaves and we bring in someone who tanks the entire offense and I’m crying in my beer wishing we had Gruden back, but that’s a post for another year.
Who did Dalton Beat?
Would trust Dalton to put up more than 20 points a game.
Stop being nice. Dalton cant throw deep.
Whats your take?
He can throw the ball deep.
He’s done this many times. Blaine Gabbert can throw the ball deep. Difference is? Dalton’s effort usually go in the general direction of his team-mate. Gabbert? It’s usually to the hot dog vendor in 433.
by KSE on Jan 5, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Chili
You have posted this before…What are you doing…just going from thread to thread and questioning his arm over and over….doesnt even have to do with thread topic….killin me…we get it…you think he has a weak arm….like I stated before…I think to you…watch last week with the pass up the middle to Gresh….he has an arm
"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"
by ticalcaldwell on Jan 5, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
+10000
He has proven time and again this year that his arm strength is not an issue
AJ Green = Optimus Prime
Its not arm strength, its just a little more accuracy on the deep throws, although with AJ and Jerome, the throws don't need to be all that accurate.
Paul Brown Stadium, where everyone's hopes go to die.
Gruden has a fine mind.
Consider how he handled these two rooks. Is Gruden worth a gamble? Ask Dalton and Green, My say is that Gruden has a better release than Dalton. Fast and Quick was Gruden. Dalton is slow and weak with release. Gruden understands this fact and never plays his QB in poor position. No harm is the Gruden gambit . Gruden didnt have to windup to make a pass. Dalton needs windup. Gruden gave Dalton what Dalton is!? A Winner?! Jags need a Gruden to help out the QB Position. MJD wants Gruden!
Chili
ON THE OFFICIAL TROLL LIST
"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"
by ticalcaldwell on Jan 6, 2012 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
sweet
we’re getting a free draft pick from the jags in 2012 or 2013.
welcome to tampering jags. our season ain’t over.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
I thought the exact same thing
How are they even allowed to contact him while we’re still playing?
Was Mike Brown Over ruled
Was not Ryan Mallert not the pick? Ne grabed him up without need?
Isn't the new report
that Gruden contacted them first? I don’t think anything will come out of this.
by KSE on Jan 5, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
if the jags are using the media to talk to gruden
which it appears they are, that’s tampering
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
The Jacksonville Jaguars have contacted Cincinnati Bengals offensive coordinator Jay Gruden about their head coach vacancy, according to two sources with knowledge of the situation.
Gruden told the Jaguars that while he’s interested, he wants to focus on Saturday’s AFC Wild Card Game against the Houston Texans. The Jaguars are still expected to bring Gruden in for an interview, but the coach is aware of the risk he is taking in waiting. Gruden was told he’s a strong candidate for the opening, according to sources.
Losing Gruden and Zim
would be quite a challenge for Brown and Lewis. I didn’t have much confidence in Gruden coming in, plus dealing with a rookie QB with no offseasons.
Just goes to confirm yet again that great coaching of excellent athletes trumps all the other stuff. Hopefully MB will write a new contract for Gruden to reflect his out performing whatever he did sign and convince him to stay. Same for Zim with all those low draft picks and rejects he formed into a really good defense. Even better MB, why don’t you promise one or the other the HC job next year after Marvin finishes his contract?
...because everyone knows
that Head Coach in Waiting doesn’t really work. That’s also telling Marvin “No matter what you do, we’re gonna hire one of these guys in 2013”. That becomes a mess. Another good season next year and Marvin likely and should earn another contract.
by KSE on Jan 5, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I know, not really serious
in saying it. It is shocking though that the Bengals have two guys considered HC material though. Who would have thought coming into 2011? I wonder about the receiver coach too, James Urban, he did a real nice job with AJ Green.
I think AJ did a real nice job with AJ
The rest of the receiving corp was pretty lackluster.
by eric nyc on Jan 5, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually...
If anything I think AJ was really poorly coached at the position level. He had WAY too many penalties, even for a rookie. False starts, illegal formations. Those things are on the coaches, and generally on the position coaches since the OC has bigger things to worry about. And it’s not like Urban walked into the meeting room and said “Alright AJ, this week my coaching philosophy is you run faster than everyone else on the field, then jump a quarter mile in the air and catch the ball with your fingertips over two defenders. I’ve been working it out on paper and it JUST might work.”
by eric nyc on Jan 5, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
AJ came out of college
no OTA’s, etc then just elevated himself to the Pro Bowl.
Sure, he did it all by himself. Coaching had little to nothing to do with it.
The plays AJ's made that got him in the Pro Bowl were all physical
I’m not saying he hasn’t run good routes, but he was known for running great routes in college too. His biggest asset has been his own freakish physical ability and Urban had nothing to do with that. If it wasn’t for all the penalties, I’d be inclined to give Urban a little more credit. But his #1 job should have been making sure AJ eliminated those errors and it didn’t really happen. I’m not sure what else they’ve been working on, because AJ plays some serious All World sandlot football.
I give up
Why not take a Kofax Arm instead of a QB who has to wind up to throw the long ball? Where is the Fear?!
What??
2011 Year of the Red Rifle
Carson Palmer 2011 Comeback Player of the Year
by Throw the ball on Jan 5, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Simple
You never want to go to a Kotex Farm with your girlfriend all wound up for balls. That absolutely strikes fear! How can you say it doesnt? Gerbil. Banana.
by steveinct on Jan 5, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Big Cat Country...
Doesn’t seem to take much stock in this report. I’m not sure I do either. I love Gruden but he hasn’t put together two good halves of offense in a game yet. I don’t think he has earned a spot quite yet.
2011 Year of the Red Rifle
Carson Palmer 2011 Comeback Player of the Year
Can the Bengals expect better from Dalton? Can Dalton have the Arm to bring fear? Rate Daltons Arm Strenght.
Gruden gives Dalton simple plays because Dalton cant hang with the big boys. Dalton has to windup to throw the long ball. Dropping the ball down to his right hip is a hint, Check it out Fans. Dalton has to reach back to throw long. Check it out! Ball by hip is telling.
Man you're fired up tonight...
You’re not wrong. Dalton doesn’t have a cannon. Neither does Drew Brees. I haven’t been paying attention, but I think I heard that he had a pretty good season this year, right? Dalton can get the ball 40 yards downfield and drop it in a bucket. He can’t do it CONSISTENTLY quite yet, but he clearly has the physical ability to make it happen. He also has the intelligence to keep working at it until he gets it down. Guys like Dalton get better and better the more experience they get.
windup to throw the longball?
have you watched football before…no one goes deep without at least a little windup….even the elites have to wind up a little to throw it 30-50 yards….
"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"
by ticalcaldwell on Jan 5, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
why do you keep saying this
you have posted this before on the 2nd…you cant be a Bengals fan…Dalton can make the throws…as a rookie too…Is this Carson?
Let me ask you this….show me a throw in a game that Dalton tried to make and couldnt…come on man…get over it…Carson is never coming back..
"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"
by ticalcaldwell on Jan 5, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Dalton needs a certain offense to succeed.
He doesn’t have an arm that’s going to set the world on fire but in the right situation he’s just as good as the rest. It’s not only him it’s all QB. You can’t expect Matt Ryan to be good in GB’s offense and vis versa. Good OC adjust their playbook to fit the QB strengths to make it easier for them to succeed.
by Bigcatdaddy on Jan 5, 2012 6:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
A quick quiz:
Here are two draft profiles for two people (Player A and Player B):
Positives:
A: Possesses a quick release, live arm and zips the outs or gets the ball downfield. Throws with touch.
B: Possesses a quick release, puts good speed on the short throws, and has terrific timing. Accurate, does not have receivers waiting on the ball and gets passes through the tight spots.
A: Poised under the rush
B: Remains poised as the pocket collapses around him
A: Times the short and intermediate throws well, as receivers rarely wait for the ball out of their breaks
B: Hits receivers in stride and does a terrific job placing passes where only his target can make the reception.
A: Patient, buys time in the pocket and waits for receivers to come free
B: Patient in the pocket, surveys the field, and finds the open wide out.
Negatives:
A: Must improve his accuracy down the field. Lacks top footwork releasing the ball off a three step drop.
B: Does not always throw the ball with proper footwork. Struggles with accuracy on deep throws.
Ok.. there ya go.. One is Dalton’s draft profile, and one is Aaron Rogers.. Without Google.. Tell me who is who.
?
They sound the same to me just worded differently.
by Bigcatdaddy on Jan 5, 2012 7:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
nice post....creative.....+1
does look the same….
"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"
by ticalcaldwell on Jan 5, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Dalton is B
Just my guess
2011 Year of the Red Rifle
Carson Palmer 2011 Comeback Player of the Year
by Throw the ball on Jan 5, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think and andy daltons development has had more to do with andy dalton
Than gruden. He’ll find that out if he goes to jacksonville.
by Hoke Hogan on Jan 5, 2012 6:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The other way around IMO
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
So you think Andy Dalton has had more to do with Andy Dalton's development then?
Ah. It’s so crystal clear now.
If you READ the post before you respond,you will respond with some sort of intelligence
Explain it over,for the slower kids in class
Gruden is more responsible for Dalton’s success IMO
My apologies,if you meant to respond to Hoke
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
If he goes it's best he does it now
We don’t need to start drafting guys that Gruden likes to fit his offense and then leave. Then a new guy comes in and has different ideas and feelings about the players and who does what. I’m sure in this case they would find a guy with a similar scheme but it’s not going to be exact. These players are very young and impressionable so if change has to come the sooner the better. I don’t want him to leave but as it stands we have good building blocks for any kind of offense. I’m just praying by draft time everything settled.
by Bigcatdaddy on Jan 5, 2012 6:35 PM EST via Android app reply actions
If Gruden IS interested in the job
You disloyal, fool ass, bitch made punk….Mikey brought you here
"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"
by ticalcaldwell on Jan 5, 2012 6:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Humor +1,,,, Language -1000
Family site…My kids come here..
I represent the Bengals of Cincinnati with extreme passion and prejudice and make no apologies for it!
I agree man...sorry bout that...normally I would not use this language
just had to…it was a direct quote from the movie…but I will keep away in the future…I got kids too…sorry bout that….
"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"
by ticalcaldwell on Jan 5, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it's Gruden time just yet
Gruden did good in picking Dalton and pushing to get him, but seems early for him to be a HC
Did good in keeping playbook simple, and seemed to mesh with all the personalities. Between Palmer/Brat/TO/Ocho it just did not work – and was not going to ever get better w/Brat.
Dalton needs some good route runners (Shipley) who can understand the offense and play smart and consistent. Simpson probably needs a brain transplant, and hard to peg Caldwell – was hurt all year.
Oh man I can't wait to see Dalton when he has Shipley
he has such good pocket presence and is able to extend plays so well, the thing the keeps KILLING me this season is that when he does it there’s no one open. When I see Drew Brees duck out of a sack and give himself 8-10 seconds on a pass play, there is ALWAYS someone open. That guy’s going to be Shipley. I’m a little surprised it isn’t almost always Gresham, but when you put those two guys on the field at the same time, ONE of them will find a way to get open. We might have been 11-5 if Shipley had stayed healthy this year.
Wow
Unbelievable,If i was Gruden i’d bail on this fan base just for spite
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
Just seem's the guy gets a job offer
Then everyone wants to diminish the job he has done.
I’m sure Jacksonville is going to rush there decision anyway’s,and none of this will matter
People are saying things like 1 year experience,just cause his names Gruden,Vanilla offense
If i’m Jacksonville,their isnt a chance in hell Gruden doesnt get the job
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
The Harbaugh brother's seem to be doing ok
For all these poser’s
Make up all your reason’s why he doesnt deserve it,and why Jacksonville sux
So did SF
I couldnt believe the guy signed here to begin with,hate to see him go
At least i can say he was our OC
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
I don't want him to go
He’s been a breath of fresh air for this team and its fans. Hell, for that matter the whole team has. It just feels like a different team all the way around. It’s going to be exciting to see what he does with with a health Shipley and a couple more weapons next year if we’re lucky enough to get him back. I do think that if he is going to leave, now is better than later. Like I said above I want a guy to come in, stay, and get players he needs to build his system into a SB winner. So if Gruden won’t stay at least 3 yrs he should go now.
by Bigcatdaddy on Jan 6, 2012 12:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agree
Its better he go now,if he is getting job offer’s now
Next year would just be a frenzy of offer’s
The problem is,this team’s offensive potential with a solid line and running game,Zimm’s defense and future draft picks
The next OC will end up getting offer’s if he has the success he should
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
+ 1
We get ragged on by the media but alot of teams want our coaches. Must be doing something right. ;-)
by Bigcatdaddy on Jan 6, 2012 1:31 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Can't blame Gruden if he gets the job
If he gets a HC offer and wants it all the more power too him – can’t hold anyone back
but…
Jacksonville is a dumpster fire – and Gabbert might suck
Would be nice to see what AJ/Gruden/Dalton/Gresahm/Shipley and a better line an RB could do in season #2 – if they lit it up next year that would say something about Gruden.
What no one really knows is how Gruden is in the “managerial” role – the assumption is that he is good based on all previous B league HC experience – NFL is a staircase up from that – does not mean he could not do it – and was by his brothers side when he was HC – but it is a different deal
Losing Gruden wont be such a big deal imo
We just fell in love with him because we were stuck with Brat sh#tty playcalling for years. But Gruden red zone playcalling SUCKED…. if you pay attention to the routes that were called in the red zone they wasnt real creative. I think another young o.c can do what Gruden did with this group if not more. Just my opinion
by cincyboi on Jan 6, 2012 12:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Jay is definately replacable
His offense is run Benson for 2 or 3 yards, and then throw deep to Green in double coverage again and again :-)
So you think Gruden should be fired?
Obviously his offense overachieved,
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
Gabbert is a "white" Jamarcus Russell
Any coach would be insane to start him 1st game of the 2012 season. If Gruden wants that thing as his QB, then more power to him.
A good coach
Could even make Jemarcus Russel look good
If he goes to Jacksonville,look for Gabbert to rebound much like Alex Smith this year
Coaching is the most underrated aspect of sports,much like incredible athletic ability is overrated
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
Dalton's arm strengh is absolutely terrible and this fact alone has kept the Bengals from being ranked #5 in all major offensive categories.
Gruden’s offense is the best in the league. I just wish Dalton could actually make a deep throw one in awhile so we could see the brilliance of Jay Gruden.
Tried reading this thread and kept seeing this sort of post over and over
Thought the bottom of the thread was lacking a little in the “Dalton’s arm strength sucks” posts so I decided to help out Chili Dog. (Hopefully my sarcasm came through)
Gruden to Florida makes sense for Gruden
His last gig before Cincy was as a head coach down in Florida.
So he probably has a lot of friends & ties from his years down there that he doesn’t yet have up in Cincy.
So if he gets the job, good for him.
So if he lands in J’ville, the Jags will have to draft a great WR (Justin Blackmon) and have a young QB (Gabbert) single him out and throw deep bombs to him repeatedly (just like his Dalton-Green offense in Cincy).
I personally dont understand
The hate for throwing deep to Green over and over
There just wasnt much else to work with,and those were some of the most exciting plays i ever witnessed as a Bengals fan!
He was pulling stuff out of his arse, BabyHawk for instance
Other than getting rid of all the drama queens,except Benson who is just not starting material
This offense is the same pathetic team that was on the field last year,minus the best pass blocking gaurd in the NFL
Weather the offense was conservative,or Vanilla seems to be everyone’s favorite bashing point
The fact is,the offense was successful enough to go 9-7 in the toughest division in football
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
huh? who hates throwing deep to Green
the only thing i hate is when Dalton throws incompletions to Green into double coverage, and completely doesn’t look at other targets, because he gets so focused on just 1 guy.
Ya i know he just sux!
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
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