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Pregame Wild Card Open Thread: Cincinnati Bengals At Houston Texans

The Cincinnati Bengals and Houston Texans will launch this year's NFL playoffs, with a scheduled kickoff at 4:30 P.M. (ET) on NBC. But that's hours away. In the meantime, talk about your expectations, predictions and whatever else helps us through the waiting hours.

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Who Dey?!

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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 7, 2012 9:53 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

I seriously went to bed early last night

I was like a kid who just wanted to get to christmas morning…..

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

As far as this game

I think I have said everything there is to say….I have studied every angle and every matchup about 10 times this week…..I love all my fellow cincyjungle fans that I have blogged with over this past season….It is the final countdown…………

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

just sit back and enjoy this guys

I am so proud that we are playing today…..WHODEY

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

How great would it be to play next week too? Let's take care of business today!

We know what we need to do, now let’s kick some F’n a#$!

"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche

by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 7, 2012 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

I know it

Its just crazy to think that this journey could lead to the superbowl…..just insane isnt it????

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

WHO DEY!

This has a different feel to it than the ‘05 and ’09 playoff games. I’ve never been this pumped about a football game in my life.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

I really didn't get super pumped until last night

Probably because I returned to work this week after the holiday, but I’ve got the butterflies today fo sho!

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by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 7, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

This is just the start, we need to be doing this consistently going forward.......

with the talent we have, the ride has just started. {Insert HBO Hard Knocks theme song here} lol

"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche

by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 7, 2012 10:12 AM EST reply actions  

I know there is a HUGE game today, but

we have 6 hours to kill and I’d like to talk draft. Anybody have any questions or would like a quick analysis on a player?

I don’t have reports on everybody yet, but Scouting Reports will start getting posted after the Bengals last game (the Super Bowl)

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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 7, 2012 10:18 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

Does Chris Polk's running style also concern you, or is it just me?

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

No concerns at all from me. some have said he’s too upright but I’ve seen enough players have success with the same style.

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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 7, 2012 12:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Janoris Jenkins......real deal, or pass, pass, pass...........???

"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche

by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 7, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Real Deal talent wise

but I think we are getting away from distraction players.

by TCfromDubVee on Jan 7, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Pass for me.

No more “baggage” guys. That’s why this 2011 team has been successful.

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by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 7, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree, scares me to death........

also scares me to death that he’ll probably be sitting right there for us at #17 and we need a corner. Hopefully DeCastro, Richardson, or one of those guys will fall. Like to stay away from this kid.

"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche

by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 7, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

hope we pass on him

HOWEVER, considering Brown’s love for scratch and dent players, if Jenkins is there at 17, expecting the Bengals to jump on him.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

before this year, I would’ve said lock for first round. Then he didn’t play lights out in D2. He SHOULD have. I spoke to a small school scout who gave him a 3/4 round grade.

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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 7, 2012 12:08 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I could ask your ear off about this.

I was wondering how deep is the CBs in this years draft. Can we afford to pass on a CB in the first round to pick one in th 2nd or 3rd round?

Being in Richmond, VA I have got to watch and ask about Chase Minnifield from UVA. Also there are a few others that have peeked my interest for the same rounds.

by TCfromDubVee on Jan 7, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

It's supposed to be a deep class, but I want to come out of the first round with one.

I’m also a big fan of Trumaine Johnson as a CB/S in the third round.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I do too, but

I want a OG and WR out of the first more if a good WR is there.

by TCfromDubVee on Jan 7, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

call me crazy, but I think

that we should have enough receiving options next year. Green, Gresham, Shipley. It would be nice to have another outside wide receiver but I think we need to satisfy more pressing needs early in the draft

by Jason Blanton on Jan 7, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep more pressing needs are there

but if one of those good WR’s are there late for us with our second pick it might be to much to pass up.

by TCfromDubVee on Jan 7, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

What about Hosely from VT? Projected in 2nd right now, haven't seen him much...

had a good bowl game from what I hear.

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- Sam Wyche

by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 7, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

with jones and jennings being FAs and Hall possibly not ready at the start of the season

the bengals will need 2-3 CBs in the draft and FA. so i can imagine cincy taking 2 cbs during the draft. one in the 1st and a later cb that got a ton of talent.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s one of the deepest classes in the draft. I could see 4 in the first round and 5 in the second round. Could the Bengals wait? Sure.

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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 7, 2012 12:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

since this was already answered

what do you think about the safety position? Who are some guys who we could target in the 2nd-3rd-4th rounds?

by Jason Blanton on Jan 7, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

bengals need a SS

provided they resign nelson at FS, otherwise we need 2 safetys.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Barron is a SS.

I’d be good with drafting him in the first.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

He is one of the few safeties rated very high in this draft....

would be ok with a CB and S in the first.

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- Sam Wyche

by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 7, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Safety is the same as it’s been past 3-4 years. No elite talent but some guys who can start in rounds 2-3. Mark Barron (Bama) is widely considered the best. I’m actually doing safeties this week and i’ll have more of a concrete grades on these guys. A few that I’m really excited about.

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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 7, 2012 12:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Is Mark barron our only realistic option or has someone else caught your eye?

I like the look of Sean Richardson Winston Guy & Kelcie McCray who I haven’t been able to see play but has speed and size.

by messjunk on Jan 7, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

In the first round?

If Bengals get a very late 1st rounder, I can see Lamar Miller being a value pick at that point. At 17? They have to get the best OL or CB they can get. DeCastro is one of the highest touted Guards in years, so I don’t expect him to drop to 17. Glenn from Georgia? Perhaps. I have a feeling Kirkpatrick could still be around at 17. Such a CB heavy draft. I like the idea of a WR but lets see what Rome does in the playoffs before we declare that he isn’t coming back.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I liked Glenn at first but not so much now.

I would love to get Decastro, and Malcolm Floyd from ND in the first.

by TCfromDubVee on Jan 7, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

WR isn't worth getting in the first.

They have Shipley coming back and again, I’m not sold that they need to ditch Simpson.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe but an upgrade would be nice.

I like Sanu in the 2nd but not sure he will still be there with our pick.

by TCfromDubVee on Jan 7, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed

we have huge needs at G(s) CB(s) S(s) and RB. spending a pick on wr in the first 3 rounds for cincy, is a questionable move.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure about the first round

but if LaMichael James is there in the second, I take him without hesitation.

by WOOD98 on Jan 7, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

beyond richardson in the 1st

don’t think the bengals should spend a 1st rounder on a rb, even hesitate to say the bengals should spend a 2nd rounder on a rb. hoping we can hold off until the 3rd round.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I really like Lamar Miller (Miami) in round 1.
Chris Polk is a guy I love but his speed will make him a round 2 guy.
Then guys like Doug Martin (Boise), David Wright (WVu) are late 2nd – 3rd rounders.

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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 7, 2012 12:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Anyone know of a good value pick for the interior O-line who might be there in the middle rounds?

Like, a good version of Clint Boling?

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Good names are...

Joel Foreman-Michigan St.
Braden Hansen (Sadly, no relation to The Lariat)-BYU
Will Blackwell-LSU
Stephen Good-Oklahoma

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Braden Hansen 2013 Draft

Markus Zusevics RT/G Iowa would transer from Tackle to Guard Right build well coached

by messjunk on Jan 7, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

this^

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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 7, 2012 12:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

i'd look at couple of the guys blocking for montee ball

theres 2 roadgraders on that wisconsin line

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Boise State running back... Martin

That is the running back I want us to have if Richardson is off the board. I watched some YouTube on him and he runs hard and has a second gear , not only that- he is agile and quick. What do you think?

I’d also trade one of those first round picks for more picks… It will be late in the 1st round and I think we’d be better off with more picks than just an additional 1st. Just sayin-

by Cincinnati222 on Jan 7, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

It's 720 AM PST

I just got up. I’m wired. Let’s make some history today. Who Dey, snitches!

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by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 7, 2012 10:23 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

good history pls

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Bout time you guys catch up!

I’ve been pregaming since 6 AM!!!!!!!!! WHO DEY??!?!??!?!?!?!? BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Banana Jamma on Jan 7, 2012 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

Everybody has baggage.

Don’t forget Green got suspended last year for couple games. His he a problem child? Jenkins is the real deal along with Glenn or Barron. I take James in 2nd round and line in 3rd.

by pray4gm11 on Jan 7, 2012 10:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Lamichael James?

No thanks. He profiles to be a better version of Bernard Scott- not what we’re looking for. We need an every down back who’s able to take a beating.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

RE:

We need a back with speed, shiftiness and hands. James fits all of those. While I agree that he’s a lot like Scott, I like James a lot. If he’s there in the third, I say grab him and get a bruiser in free agency or later in the draft.

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by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 7, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

James is tiny

he is good, but I just dont see him holding up…

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

true, true

Even sproles has a little weight on him….If James can gain a little weight or muscle…I would take him

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

RE:

Watch film on James. Though he’s small, he stronger than you think. You can also line him up as a WR. The Bengals offense needs an RB threat for Dalton. It’ll open things up for the playmakers outside. James is that kind of guy. Sign Tolbert or Michael Bush and add a James in the third and that’s pretty good.

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by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 7, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

How often does Sproles actually run the ball, though?

We need someone to take it between the tackles fairly often.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

+1 .....in my ranking in order

Pead, Miller, Polk

I have posted this before…….we have to take one of these three…..

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

RE:

Exactly.

The most yards rushing in Sproles’ career is 603 yards. He’s a guy that we had hoped Scott would mirror.

Still doesn’t answer the question though: Who is the feature back next season?

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

RE:

Honestly, as long as it’s not Benson and the Bengals grab somebody in the draft or FA, I’m happy… at least right now.

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by Jason Garrison on Jan 7, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I just like Lamar Miller

he is unreal….he is one of those guys that just makes everyone out there look slower and less skilled….just watch his feet….crazy

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

i really like Pead

im more than positive he is on the bengals radar because he plays in their back yard… it would be stupid not to scott him…. Ive seem him line up like a WR… that definately fits grudens sceme, if we can get a back that can do that

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Jan 7, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Pead too!

Hope he is sitting there for us in the 3rd round.

by TCfromDubVee on Jan 7, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

hard not to like pead

afraid i’m biased on pead with his local roots.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

wilson has nice cuts

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to see the Bengals aggressively pursue Michael Bush in FA.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sold on bush...

Would you believe me if i told you his YPC is lower than bensons? 3.8

by Jason Blanton on Jan 7, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I pointed that out once...

Crickets chirped. I won’t say he stinks, but I haven’t been told what makes him seem like a better fit.

Merry Who-Dey, everybody!!

by supergrover on Jan 7, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

To be fair, a lot of times earlier in the year he only played in short yardage situations.

DMC was their every down guy. Bush only went in when it was a 3rd and 1 type of situation (where Ced usually fails.) Only going in on short yardage situations isn’t good for a YPC average.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

RE:

I would be surprised if the Raiders let him go — aka, not making their own aggressive pursuit to bring him back. McFadden is hardly the most reliable guy, in terms of health.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

raiders are in cap trouble

they had to borrow against next years cap for this season.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Also...

Hue and the new GM probably want to clear out all of Al’s guys on and off the field. That includes various players.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Wasnt Hue one of Al's guys?

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

bush is a younger benson

should be a cheap enough option for cincy’s front office. bush is a band aide to hold the team over until we can finally draft a RB of the future.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I still like taking James

He has proven his durability and ability to run between the tackles. His versatility, ability to catch the ball and home run threat would be huge for this team. Further, I think the bruiser comes in the later rounds with a guy like Dan Herron, Line or someone of that ilk who will be a 3-5 round selection.

by WOOD98 on Jan 7, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

He has a point though.

Dunlap wasn’t kicked out of Florida, but he was definitely a problem child there. Rey was the same way at USC. But we took both because they would have been much higher picks based on talent alone and dropped to us because of character. Sounds an awful lot like Jenkins, right?

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Having problems at your school over things is one thing.

Getting kicked out of school because you get arrested 3 times is on another level.

by TCfromDubVee on Jan 7, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Dunlap was arrested AT LEAST once, and I think twice.

But since he’s gotten here, he’s been a model citizen.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Pacman Jones doesn't even the excuse that he was a "kid" at the time; he's been arrested several times in the NFL.

He’s still on the team. Same with Ced Benson.

The bottom line is, it’s possible to forgive guys for doing dumb shit. Lamichael James beat his girlfriend. Janoris Jenkins smoked some weed. Yet people are talking about drafting James a few comments above this.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

RE:

Just remember that Frostee Rucker was accused of hitting his girlfriend too.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Right and I bet Benson is gone.

I’m not saying don’t draft the guy but you can’t sit there and think we are not cleaning things out.

Dunlap had one arrest for a DUI then did noting else and stayed in school.

Pacman is a prime example of how long it has taken someone with problems do even start to turn the corner, and it’s not guranteed he is here next year.

by TCfromDubVee on Jan 7, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

RE:

I wouldn’t shed a tear if he’s not, I can never understand his tweets. But he’s a good talent and wouldn’t mind him returning.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

RE:

I could see that.

But I wouldn’t expect that he’ll receive too many offers. That whole character thing is still there – he was arrested during the offseason again.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep, It's just how much he wants and how much we are willing to pay.

I know he likes Cinci! Hopefully he cuts us a break and stays the hell our of trouble!

by TCfromDubVee on Jan 7, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

consider what happens to jones if he gets arrested again

nfl could still bounce him out of the league at any point for it. not many GMs will risk a long term contract on jones or big dollars.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

RE:

Agreed.

He’ll get a low one-year offer most likely, and someone will offer a two-year deal. Money will be low that doesn’t harm the team if he has to be cut.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

doesn't he have a court date in the offseason

was supposed to be in November and he got a continuance?

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

PACMAN

I hated this signing,and still kinda get irked when i see him on the field

Truth is,I want the Adam Jones of this season,to be here next season

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Does he hold it for him too?

J/K

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Model franchises dont take that chance!

Even though Marvin has has some success with revamping damaged guys
To be competitive year in and year out,you let these type of player’s come to teams like cincy

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

jenkins got tossed out of 1 school

went to his next college and still couldnt keep his focus on the field. does cincy really need another immature player with drug issues and a couple of assaults on his record?

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Especially

when there’s so many others at his skill level in this draft. If he was a worlds better? You can take a strong look. If he’s sitting there at 17? So will Dennard, Hosley, Minnifield and maybe Kirkpatrick. Jenkins isn’t more extraordinary then those guys.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Jenkins would have been top 10 last year, and with out getting arrested back 2 back and getting kicked out of school

would have been challenging for the top CB spot this year. Kid’s got talent no doubt. I can look past a weed charge, but he had 3 arrests never learned and got kicked out of school.

by TCfromDubVee on Jan 7, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

if jenkins is still there in the 2nd round

screw it, we bite the bullet and gamble on him. he won’t be though, someone will gamble on him from middle of 1st round to the middle of the 2nd round.

teams like minny are so hurt in their secondary, i could see the vikes taking 2 cbs in the 1st and 2nd.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

And another CB under 6'

Xavier Rhodes would have been a good fit this draft can be next draft

by messjunk on Jan 7, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

No on Jenkins, Glenn & LMJ for me

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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 7, 2012 12:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Hiroki Nakamura on Mel Kuiper show

Picks Bengals. It was a very complimentary interview regarding Dalton and the maturity he shows and the improvement from their first matchup to the second.

It wasn’t a “I want the Bengals to win because we don’t want to face the Texans” commentary.

Merry Who-Dey, everybody!!

by supergrover on Jan 7, 2012 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

He's a Bearcat.

He’s a good guy but him being a Raven makes it less easy to like the guy.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

ah, gotcha.

Yes, I agree.

Merry Who-Dey, everybody!!

by supergrover on Jan 7, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

RE:

Does Nakamura return home to Ohio before the end of his career?

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Cincy Jungle

We began this site in March of 2006. We’ve seen the choking of 2006, the forgetful 2007 season, the Ryan Fitpatrick season of 2008, the excitable season (at least first half of the season) of 2009, the disappointment season of 2010 and now the new era Bengals 20011.

This is only our second playoff game in site history. I’m pumped.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

+1

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Let's kick off this new era in style!

I would personally love it because it would pi@% off all the Browns fans I live amongst up here.

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by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 7, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

ryann who?

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

comparsion.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

or

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

My mind is boggled.

For some reason, I am remembering when Simpson got drafted, the analysts said “Huge hands, catches everything thrown his way, but has poor route running skills.”

Am I remembering this wrong? What happened to his hands?

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 10:58 AM EST reply actions  

RE:

Terrell Owens cursed them.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember one of his most appealing traits being his massive hands. His hands were measured as the biggest in that draft class.

That probably led analysts to assume that he caught everything. Remember that he came from a small school and wasn’t analyzed as much as the guys from bigger teams. They probably made an inference given his hand size and never bothered to make sure it was true.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think that is true.

Maybe, but I am pretty sure you can tell that by watching some film and looking at the statistics for dropped passes. If the guy had cement hands in college, there is no way he gets drafted because he is a dolt who couldn’t run routes.

I am starting to wonder if the problem stems from them not throwing to him enough for the first couple of years in practice (marvinism of the youth) and he lost his touch.

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I still think there is a big mis-perception of simpson

this is pretty much his rookie year in terms of starting time and has 725 yrds and 4 tds…. And you can tell there is still upside and flip side there lol

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Jan 7, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I don’t think we should drop him unless some other team comes in with a huge offer. I don’t want to break the bank on him, but I think he is still a good WR and is a threat opposite AJ.

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

His 4th rookie year

But if he doesnt have any legal trouble,Jerome seems to be a team guy

Has that speech thing,was he a W.V. product?
j/k seen earlier post

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by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

My have caught some things he didnt want

Those big hands

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

he was a from a smaller school

scouts (correctly) predicted it would take time for simpson to adjust to nfl offensive game plans.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

But that doesn’t explain his hands. If he could catch “everything” that was near him before, but was never in the right place, it makes sense that it took time. Now he is running the routes, but forgot how to catch?

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

its not his hands that have failed him in the nfl

he catches the balls when he tries. he quits on plays at times, those are the passes that hit the ground around him.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Simpson still has great hands.

He can catch passes only a handful of guys in the league can make. He just lacks concentration.

by Animal_Like_Football on Jan 7, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

or awareness..

its like he’s zoned out sometimes. not sure what that is about..

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

This is your brain...

This is your brain on drugs…

by emeybee on Jan 7, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

This season...

Should change how we think about this team going forward. Depth, guys stepping up, heart. All of these are what we are about not the crap we’ve dealt with for the last 20+ years. I know talking about the draft is always exciting, but WE HAVE A PLAYOFF GAME TODAY! The season is NOT over. I believe in this team. This team needs to step up for us as fans and for the city of Cincinnati. Let’s play with some fire today. Win individual battles. and keep it simple. We CAN win this game!!!!

by banderson22 on Jan 7, 2012 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

RE:

Totally agree. And as we made a point earlier, if the ball rolls their way at least once during their losses, they could easily be 15-1. I know, they could also lose their close games but we’re Bengals fans and we don’t envision how the Bengals could have lost their wins, right? :)

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

will be a huge off season for cincy

failure to address the glaring holes on the team, could drag this team back down next year. keep in mind who will be fa’s from cincy in the off season. the team will have to make a commitment to winning in the off season with a couple of real moves. RB, Gx2, CBx2 (jones, jennings arew fa), Sx2 (nelson is a fa)

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

This coming offseason

Is quite possibly the most important in recent memory. Sure others have been important but if we bring in the right guys (team first mentality, good talent, unselfish) this team could be sent over the top and be one of the top tier teams for years

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Jan 7, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Players arrested in college

From a discussion above.

Does it really matter if a player is arrested IN COLLEGE for something like a DUI, or other thing that college kids do? Hurting others (abuse, battery, etc..) is one thing and that’s hard to stand behind someone for. Other the other hand, if a player is arrested for a DUI, or a little bit of pot, do we really care. Most kids that get in trouble for that stuff mature soon in the professional (not everyone, obviously, but a majority, sure)

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 11:03 AM EST reply actions  

That's exactly what I'm trying to say about Jenkins.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

But you do have to consider it I think and if the player has had multiple run-ins........

doesn’t that raise quite a few red flags? Plus, if your going to give a young man a lot of money that has had some problems with the law/drugs/bar fights etc., wouldn’t you agree that given a checkered past, they might be more likely to get in trouble in the future? It’s not an exact science by any means, but if you’ve got two guys fairly equal in talent and one has not gotten in trouble, I would prefer to take that indivdual who has shown over time to make good decisions. Not saying never pick a player with any problems, but all other things being equal……go with the guy who has proven to make wise choices.

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by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 7, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

if someone gets in trouble mainly because they are immature, with the right coaches, they should be able to fix that. But if there are some serious issues, then I wouldnt’ waste a draft pick.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Jan 7, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

And the Bengals evidently have the right coaches to fix that.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

i know Bernard scott had some serious red flags when he was coming out of college

but I havn’t heard of any problems since he has been in the NFL

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Jan 7, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Even Andre has seemed to turn it around finally, but he was more immature.....

than issues with drugs, violence, etc. Our coaches have done a good job with the team we have, I think we just don’t want to keep rolling the dice and adding more potential questionable characters to the locker room. We tried that before with Odell, Slim, etc. etc. Talented yes, but everything else……not so much.

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by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 7, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

yea i heard Odell was just nuts

he was just one thing away from going over the edge

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Jan 7, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he had/has some issues.

I think he’s in the USFL now or something?

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by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 7, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, if your banned from the NFL.....that's not a good thing.

There are some crazy guys playing the league now and he is deemed “hardcore crazy.” lol Waste of talent……..

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by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 7, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

hasn't this team lost enough gambling on bad character issues already?

seriously do we really need another period like 2005-2007?

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

My point exactly........

leave the problems to someone else to worry about.

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by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 7, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

RE:

You do that and Johnathan Joseph, Carlos Dunlap, Bernard Scott, Frostee Rucker and Rey Maualuga aren’t drafted.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

eh jojo didnt have college issues i recall

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Again, not saying only draft saints...........

just saying it needs to be a part of the process and considered. Other than Dunlap right now……would we be completely devestated without the others (JJ was let go, B. Scott has been ok, Rucker has been ok, and Rey has been ok as well). Would our team be terrible if we had replaced these guys with similar talents?

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by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 7, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

we're also not talking about a kid who was only arrested once in college

jenkins made a mess of his time in college with his off the field troubles.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree on Jenkins.......

if that kid is that talented and still gets kicked not only off the team, but out of school………..hello, red flags! Stay the hell away………

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by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 7, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Not impressed with him or Dennard

Onfield or off cover corners are overated and with the pass friendly rules aren’t that effective. Leonard Johnson will be available in 3rd if we go that way he’s been the most impressive this year. Hoping we go with Zim wants and get CBs that are ball hawks for more ints

by messjunk on Jan 7, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummm!

LaGarret Blount, anybody?

by WHYUS!! on Jan 7, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

A conversation I had with someone about Dalton...

Don’t get me wrong, I think Dalton has been awesome, but with the course of the NFL I think he may find himself outmatched. This appears to be the beginning era of QBs throwing for 5,000 yards and 40 TDs, and I’m just not sure Dalton will ever be that guy. He’s never going to lose you a game, but I’m also not sure he’s the guy to go out there and win you a game on his own- the top teams (besides the 49ers) all seem to have guys doing that.

Anyone else have thoughts on that?

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

I think given a healthy Shipley and Rome not dropping some balls

He would have been closer to 4k yards. I see what you are saying, but look at the WR corps for those teams. Also did they play the defenses we did?

by TCfromDubVee on Jan 7, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

How many rookies (outside of Cam)

throw up 4,000 yards? We haven’t seen the full development of Dalton.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you there, but personally I just don't think Dalton quite projects to be a gunslinger.

And, though I hate it, the NFL seems to be going in the direction where you just about need a gunslinger.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure if I agree

I know all of the rules are offense oriented but once the defenses figure the new rules and stop playing with their heads and just react it will even out and defense and the running game will once again be a big part of the game.

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Jan 7, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

who cares if he throws 10,000 yrds

the “w” is the most important stat…

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Jan 7, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Well.

You would have to look at a lot of stats to make the analysis. Think of it this way: How many yards did Brday throw this year? How many were with air under the ball? How many were intermediate seam routes to the tightend that had massive YAC? etc etc etc. You can’t just look at the total yards and get any picture at all of what a QB is cabable of. My biggest concern is that Dalton finished the year under 60% in the accuracy column. Hopefully that will go up.

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm looking at his... tools (to use a baseball term) more than yardage this year.

His deep ball leaves a lot to be desired. He doesn’t seem have the arm strength to jam the ball into super tight coverage like it’s sometimes necessary to do. His accuracy, though good, might not be quite good enough to run a pure WCO.

He’s obviously very talented and smart as well, but to me it doesn’t look like he projects to carry the team like Brady, Brees, Rodgers, or even Eli Manning.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know about that.

I have seen quite a few ropes this year coming from his arm. They are usually in the short to medium range, but that is all that is needed to split the defenders. You are correct about the long ball though. they ALWAYS have too much air under them.

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Quite a few of the deep balls he's completed this year

would have probably been picked off if just about anyone in the NFL besides AJ Green was the intended receiver.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

You are right!

There have been flashes. I hope he can get sticky hands so we will have a replacement for the old TJ/Chad combo. Only Rome is faster and has a better jump ball than TJ but isn’t as good in the slot — but we have Shipley for that next year. I personally think we should keep Rome.

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

we're not a run and gun offense.

we’ll do just fine with the dink and dunk, provided we add a running back and guards.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

kinda agree

But then again, how often do we get 4 wr sets? The Bengals will have to turn into a passing team before we can get a fair gauge on Andy in that sense.

by JCompton41 on Jan 7, 2012 11:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Just a trend

Offensive number’s will keep going up

I still tend to believe,smart decisions,ball control and defense will be the difference in the end

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by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Off to bed

It will be 0200 before the Bengals play here and since I have a little down time I’m going to grab about 5 hours of sleep and get up for the game. Tomorrow I’ll be dragging unless they win. Luckily no missions for me…

by WOOD98 on Jan 7, 2012 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

Probably didnt think

The site was already packed in anticipation

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

josh is a troll!!!!

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually I'm a Stone Golem

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

What the heck is a Stone Golem?

Is that like those little cement Gnomes people put in front of their houses?

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

RE:

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmm..

I have never seen one of those in front of someone’s house.

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

RE:

No living person has.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Come on, steveinct!

You need to become a much bigger nerd if you want to fit in at CJ.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL!

Nerds rule.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Josh,

you’re much better off being an Earth Elemental. That way you’re much harder to kill. Stone golems are easy to take down if you magic is high enough.

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by Jason Garrison on Jan 7, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry,

I left my 9 sided dice in my other pants. LOL.

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

appears josh does roids too

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

RE:

Bobbie Williams and I are close.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

anyone who juices that much

is bound to suffer from barry bond syndrome too..

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought i was eager

I dont care what they say

The Bengals have to have the most faithful fan base in the NFL

WHO-DEY!!!!!!!!!

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

red wings? pistons?

both won national championships right? lol

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Jan 7, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

don't forget

Michigan State is always a top NCAA Program.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

This was about BENGALS fans

How the frick,did MIchigan become the topic?

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by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

It was about

fanbases who don’t quit on their franchise despite hard times. Lions fans have been through an awful decade as well.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah i started the thread ,i think i know what it was about

Bengals only!

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by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

They love sports, I should say.

But as a city, Detroit sucks.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

According to the commercials with Eminem

Detroit is the place to be!

According to the news,

Detroit is the place to get shot!

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

But that is only because the strip clubs are great in Canada. You ever try swimming home after drinking 7% Alc/Vol beer all night?

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

According to people who have been there

Detroit is neither of those things. Just really fricking boring.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

No doubt!

Because everything is boarded up! You could go there with $200 and, providing you don’t get mugged, could buy up a whole city block!

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

It's basically

a larger Dayton that happens to have 4 major sports teams.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

i give props to cleveland fans too

those brownies fans are diehards for their team.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Problems?

Does anyone else have problems with those that cite Mike Brown as the reason why they won’t go to the games, support the team, etc?

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought maybe some had a point

But if thats there reason,i think they should be protesting outside the stadium letting it be known,rather than just not going
that doesnt really prove why they are staying away.

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

i get it for certain points

but do to it because you think he will get less money is stupid because the majoriy of his money comes from revenue sharing

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Jan 7, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

each to their own

i have no issues with people feeling the way they do. its not north korea. we’re allowed individuality here.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

RE:

Well that shut me up. Totally agree.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

there are fence issues for everyone

let someone proclaim their undying love for the ravens here and my focus will get narrow.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha..

You seriously made me laugh out loud with that one! I agree!

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I think those people are "not thinking".

And yes, that is in quotes so I don’t say anything too provocative and start a fight.

With revenue sharing, it doesn’t really hurt MB all that much. In my opinion, all it does is make the team members not want to stay because the fams don’t support them, it makes FA’s not want to some here, and takes jobs away from hot dog vendors, ticket colectors, security guys, parking lot attendants, and the like. You aren’t hurting MB, you are hurting the small guy and the fans who would like a solid team in the future. Ok.. flame on.

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Mcdaniels back to NE

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

thats great

Romeo is a great coach IMO
never understood what Cleveland was thinkn

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Jan 7, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

brownies 2.0 are snake bitten

romeo should have success in kc. they need to give him time to rebuild that team.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Just heard he is supposed to start working right now

I wonder if that means he will be OC in there game next week

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I assume he will do video work.

Unless they feel Brady doesn’t need whatever O’Brien had prepared.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Doing “video work” for NE aye? Hmm….

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

So

Has anyone seen the new Jack Bauer show coming up on Fox? It’s obviously Keiffer, but anyone else think that it’s definitely a Bauer like character during the previews? Hell yea.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

hmm not sure what to make of it

based on the preview:

+1 for danny glover
1 for the creator of heroes
0 for the director of I am legend.
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———————-

i’ll have to wait and see what others think before i try this show.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Not at all

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I do.

A banged up Big Ben against Dumervil and Von Miller? That defense for Denver and the rushers for Denver can do it. Tebow needs to limit the mistakes.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

RE:

Jaws said that if Tebow struggles, he wouldn’t be surprised if Brady Quinn comes in. Yea. No chance for the Broncos. Good run to the playoffs though but Denver’s offense won’t do much against Pittsburgh defense.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually

I am wondering if they are going to do some stuff with Brady today. Put Brady in as QB and Tebow as a RB. Why not? Could be tough to tell what is going to happen out of that formation.

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

you could move tebow around all day

have him line at WR, run a few option passes or reverses. insert him at TE, with a couple of fake blocking assignments that are shuttle passes to tebow. etc.

if i were denver, there’s no legal play i wouldnt consider today.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely!

I hope they do too! That would be awesome to see. But I want to see it tomorrow! (hehe)

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

For that matter

Sounds like some things they should have already been incorporating,instead of sitting back waiting for failure

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

the fighting tebows

lol

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to see that

I think Teabow wins that battle

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I do

Its a very slim chance,but i’ll never doubt a believer

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

RE:

Seattle was at home though. That would make a different, I would think.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh yea

I’m going back to bed.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 7, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Denver's got a chance........

Ben is hurting pretty bad and Pouncey is out too. Mendenhall isn’t as huge because Redman can run the ball well for them.

"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche

by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 7, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Denver is home as well.

Denver has a strong defense that can put pressure on the injured Big Ben. It’s not likely to be a 49-10 romp. Feels like a 16-9 game.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

There was also this.

Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean

by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I couldn't find a decent .gif of the entire run.

Just in case you’re wondering.

Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean

by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

AWESOME

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

nice

one of my favorite runs of all time

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

tebow

During the game, tebowing along the tebow when we saw a very big tebow of a tebowed squared that tebowing a tebow on its tebowed! I can’t believe it! The Denver tebows win!

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats hate if i ever seen it

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

i find the whole fighting tebows situation

amusing.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

They made it

I’m sure there fan base base is just as excited as us
Live in the now,worry about tomorrow, tomorrow

I didnt have any feeling’s either way,when i see someone weather its Brady,Mcnabb,Teabow whoever
Thats hated on every time someone has a chance to open there mouth,i tend to begin rooting for them

Of course,My Bengals come first in any possible scenario

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

And now that I'm thinking about the Lynch run

Youtube search “Marshawn Lynch true meaning of determination” if you want to see one of the best videos on Youtube. It’s the Greg Jennings put the team on my back guy narrating the Lynch run.

Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean

by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

Sounds Homosexual

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think they do

not against the Pittsburgh defense. There’s not enough magic in Tebow’s blood to score enough points to beat them.

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by Jason Garrison on Jan 7, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

It isn't Tebow that has to win the game.

The defense and special teams will have to. Tebow just has to stay out of his own way.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Remember, Jesus prays to matt Prater!

He just doesn’t rub it in everybody’s face. LOL

by Alexneyer on Jan 7, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

They'll only need 17

3 in first half 14 in last 4 minutes

by messjunk on Jan 7, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I could see Dumervil/Von Miller taking out Ben early. If Ben is out, steelers don’t have much of a chance.

by Alexneyer on Jan 7, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Steelers went 3-1

with Batch last year. Batch is a capable QB.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Steelers beat the Brownies 20-14 with batch just last week

Broncos are a better team than the browns. Also Mendenhall and Moore are out, they can’t carry the load like they did in those 4 games last year.

by Alexneyer on Jan 7, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember that.

I also remember Ben’s suspension was known before the schedule came out. I also remember when the schedule came out, they had 3 or 4 very winnable games in the first 4. I remember thinking “Are you freaking kidding me? What a gift!”

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

i have yet to buy into the fighting tebows

felt it was a gimmick that would work for a short time until the nfl adjusted. you arent going to fool dick lebeau with that college crap. tebow will have to beat the steelers with his arm today.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I question playing Big Ben those last few games

I know Big Ben came out and said Tomlin had asked him if he wanted out
I think that was just a PR move bye Ben to save face for Tomlin after the Steve Young comments
I dont question there hunger,as much as some of these type late season decisions

Big Ben is going to be like Palmer,a sitting duck!

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Very excited but also nervous

I know about 7 o’clock eastern tonight, I am going to be feeling really good or really really bad…. would love to get a win today, would really make the year regardless of what happens after…

Watching Stanford Jennings kick return in the Super Bowl was the out of body experience of my sports life.

by txbengal29 on Jan 7, 2012 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

it has been a successful year past expectations… but still a lot of talk how we have not beaten anybody.

Watching Stanford Jennings kick return in the Super Bowl was the out of body experience of my sports life.

by txbengal29 on Jan 7, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

We need...

Simpson to show up today. Also a couple of baby Hawk and Brian Leonard sightings today. If we are stuck trying to force feed Green and Gresham, it could be long game. We need some others to step up and take the pressure of these guys and Big Red….

by CINCY1CATS on Jan 7, 2012 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

A running game would change everything

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

fake punt

direct snap to Leonard perhaps…

Watching Stanford Jennings kick return in the Super Bowl was the out of body experience of my sports life.

by txbengal29 on Jan 7, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think we need to resort to low percentage plays

I think we need to spread the ball around, with high percentage throws, and mix up the runs so they never know where the ball is going. Dalton at 68%, a solid running game and stout D should win it.

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

As far as the draft

Hard to know yet till after the early free agency period… and who they sign and resign, but I always like drafting defense early…

Watching Stanford Jennings kick return in the Super Bowl was the out of body experience of my sports life.

by txbengal29 on Jan 7, 2012 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

if we do nothing in fa

i’m going to be very concerned.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice piece on Jerome's Flip

from ESPN. Jerome is so soft-spoken. Such a departure from the TJ, Chad and TO’s of the past. Now, they are doing a piece on AJ.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

yeah go figure

a guy with a possible federal indictment hanging over his head watches his mouth around the press.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Go Bengals!

From the California’s biggest Bengals fan…I just drank three beers – very nervous and it’s 9:30am in the morning. Who Dey!

by bengalino on Jan 7, 2012 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

Oh geez...

I have been trying not to “pregame” so I can make it through the real game! I know today is going to be sloppy so I have to pace myself.

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Pace yourself!

I feel more confident than two years ago versus the Jets! We will pull off a win in a battle!

by bengalino on Jan 7, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Expensive Day.

I know today is going to be expensive (as was last week). When the Bengals win a big game, I buy “the crew” (about 15 of the regulars at the bar I go to) a Bengal bomb. Not every win, just the big ones. Of course, last week, since we made it to the playoffs, Bengal bombs for the crew. Win or lose today, I am sure there will be Bengal bombs after the game to celebrate the win, or to celebrate the new beginings for our team.

Time to give my favorite bar some money today!

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

What is a Bengal bomb?

I need to know…for research.

"I thought, 'Ball, please get down and into my hands.'"
-AJ Green

by Jaegner on Jan 7, 2012 2:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Like a Jager-bomb

Only, instead of redbull, you use orange soda (orange soda and jager in a bomb cup or you can do it with a shot glass of jager sitting in a glass of orange soda filled up below the bottom of the shot glass). It is freaking tasty!

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

This Postseason

I read a lot of comments about how people are excited about the direction this team is going in and how making the post season has made their year. I believe the exact same thing; this season was unbelievably and, quite frankly, unexpected success. However, how sweet would it be to continue that? I mean, a win today not only proves the people that claimed this would be one of the worst teams ever put on a football field (I don’t have sources, but I do remember hearing multiple people say that during preseason) wrong, but it also proves all of those people that argue against the Bengals for the fact that they haven’t beaten a playoff team this season were unfairly judging this team. The playoffs are a brand new season where anything can happen. Clearly, this has been an entire football year where anything can happen. Sure, we didn’t beat a playoff-bound team this regular season, but what better way to get that first win than doing it in the playoffs?

by Dorey15 on Jan 7, 2012 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

One other thing

If the Bengals do actually take the lead early, will Marvin tuck their heads into the turtle shell and try to run out the clock with 3 quarters remaining? If it was Sam Wyche you know they’d pour gasoline on the fire. One of Marvin’s big problems is no killer instinct in big games where they do take a lead. If they get ahead, they should pour it on, maybe take more risks instead of fewer risks.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 7, 2012 1:02 PM EST reply actions  

Damned if u do,damned if you dont

With our young team,lack of running game,and inconsistent pass protection
I’d rather live with Marvin ball,then try to play Madden like some rookie

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

The Bengals have their work cut out fir them today.

Andre Johnson is back. If they want to win, they better think about covering the underneath crossing pattern. Which they failed at miserably in the previous meeting. Pay special attention to Owen Daniels. Our LB’s can’t cover him.

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Jan 7, 2012 1:09 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

If we can run

Texan’s dont stand a chance,if we cant i look for a tight game and some penalties to be the big difference
NUGE has to be big,stop the Shane routine

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

per PFT

Texans haven’t decided whether to close roof yet

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/07/texans-havent-decided-whether-to-close-roof-yet/

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

Playing mind games?

Does it make that much of a difference to the Bengals?

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Well 1981 Bengals

kicked butt in any kind of weather except indoors unfortunately. Not sure about this team.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 7, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

texans win more with the roof open

But they want it close to increase crowd noise.

by JCompton41 on Jan 7, 2012 1:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Another PFT Gem..........

Are the Bengals a great team? No. But they are capable of consistently beating bad teams, going 9-0 against non-playoff competition. The effort is always there. The Bengals were expected to be the very worst team in the league.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/07/whitworth-on-bengals-we-got-a-lot-of-elephants-out-of-the-room/#comment-1494519
=================

Keep up the bad work PFT…your completely objective

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

yeah this comment really needs to be contradicted

where it counts, on the field:

“Marvin Lewis is the coaching equivalent of Mark Sanchez. Just good enough to lose. He and by extension his team plays scared, playing not to lose rather than playing to win.”

by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 7, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

my point is

This is pointed out in every article that the Bengals have…..We get it…let us Fu______ enjoy our team without a bunch of snooty as homers killing our success….Where is the Pats article…who have they beaten…..jus sayin…..can’t stand this site….They sensor the responses almost everytime….no obscene language or anything….just not what the writers want to hear…..terrible

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

never went to that site

but always see posts on here with people referring to it

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

PFT sucks

Florio sucks
Rosenthaal sucks
They all suck

by whodeycommish14 on Jan 7, 2012 1:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

how about dem pats dominating only winning teams in the nfl all season

wait what. pats didn’t beat anyone either? doesn’t matter, pats to the superbowl, bengals are 0-16. mike floria rulllleeezz!!!

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Posted Notice

To everyone coming to eat at the restaurant I work at tonight. We will be on a wait from 4:30 to ? . Don’t talk to the manager or bartender. And if you don’t get service, there’s a reason, your an a-hole. Go to McDonald’s.

by MCSubtext on Jan 7, 2012 1:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

All the Taco Bell's are letting you guys watch the Texans game,huh?

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

You know it. Don’t get mad when your taco supreme has a little extra supreme on it!

by MCSubtext on Jan 7, 2012 1:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

you cant be mixing american and contental

Cmon man, you’re better than that.

by JCompton41 on Jan 7, 2012 1:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

whoops

Continental.

by JCompton41 on Jan 7, 2012 1:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

+1

lol

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

SHHHHHH

There might be a texan troll waiting to pounce…..lol

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Jan 7, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

good

I hope the state of Texas knows that cincyjungle blogger wants to do this to them….

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I CAN’T TAKE THE ANTICIPATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Jan 7, 2012 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

It is pretty electric down here in Houston

It is going to be LOUD at Relaint – it will be an electric atmosphere

News stations were running hour long TV specials last night – non stop TV/Radio pushing the Texans

A Krogers down here was supposodley selling “Go Bengals Cookies” the radio guys were raising hell – calling Krogers/bashing them – it is kind of crazy

I think Cincy can beat them – but they need to maintain their poise – try to keep the crowd out of it at least part of the game

I think the Texasns fans are little delusional thinking they have this game – it is a tossup – and crowd will probably be a factor

Go Bengals – Whip the Texans!!

by TX Bengal on Jan 7, 2012 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

I wonder

How many Cowboy fans,jumped on their bandwagon

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Draft Numbers & Options

Back to some draft talk (we still have hours to kill)

We have 5 picks in the first three rounds thanks to the Carson & Chad parting gifts and then the regular later round picks…. My question is “how mNy players do we really need to bring in.”. W ith the new rookie salary cap, moving up in the draft is much. Plus, unlike prior Bengals team, we are really not struggling for depth. Think about it… If we bring in a quality a quality RB, S, G, and 2 CBs… Five players that can contribute at those positions… Do we really NEED anything else….

The new rookie cap changes everything. If the team wants to retain FAs and bring in others, the best way to free up funds is to draft STARTERS that will take up a small portion of the team’s overall cap for four years. Then the Freed up funds can go to FA.

I say we should consider focusing on quality over quantity and get the 5 most blue chip players we can, even if it costs the other 4 picks.

by rvsp66 on Jan 7, 2012 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed

Seems like we always lose a couple quality pick ups to other teams (Dezmon Briscoe). Plus with Marvin’s penchant for burrying youngsters, doesn’t help. So if there’s the clear path to move up and grab the best fit for our big needs, do it.

by MCSubtext on Jan 7, 2012 2:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Problem is

You are assuming we will be able to resign everyone we want from the current team.

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm cringing at the thought of losing

Collins, Sims and Nelson players our coaches have developed and then benifitting other sides, Can’t think of last high profile player we have aquired in F.A. it’s usually other teams unwanted

by messjunk on Jan 7, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

we will more than likley keep Nelson

But sims and Collins leave to start more than likley.

by JCompton41 on Jan 7, 2012 2:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I can see us keeping Sims.

I think he might understand that a run stopper is going to rotate no matter how you slice it. Collins, on the other hand, is probably going to jet — and I don’t blame him.

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Collins should be starting

Andre could easily leave next year as he’s a F.A

by messjunk on Jan 7, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been saying all year

Collins should be our RT and Smith should be our RG

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

and

upgrade our line as it stands, my theories got shot down in the communities I posted

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't image

anyone shooting that down. We should have given it a try on running downs in the past could of weeks.

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I was throwing it around on here (CJ) when Bobbie got suspended, got a whole lot of…the coaches know more than you responses

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

The only reason I can see them not doing it is because of what these guys are being paid, but that is stupid. It would be a tough pill to swallow when your RG is getting paid RT money, but seriously, who cares if it means we can pound the football behind the right side.

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

but it will never happen

They’re already paying LT money for a RT, no way they pay LT money for a guard.

by JCompton41 on Jan 7, 2012 2:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Is LT and RT money different?

Just curious

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Jan 7, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

the amount is

but if your a RG, your a RG

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

usually the LTs get paid the big money because theyre protecting the blind side

I can’t think of any RT getting Joe Thomas or Jake Long money off the top of my head.

by JCompton41 on Jan 7, 2012 2:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

correct

watch the movie…oh yeah, he’s a RT

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

neither

is Smith, right now he’s getting paid comparable to Guards

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe at this point in his contract

But they gave him 21 mill signing bonus and all that when he was drafted. I don’t think the bengals actually mind paying big money for 2 tackles, but they do for guards, look at steinbach, when they paid levi and Willie.

by JCompton41 on Jan 7, 2012 3:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Possibly

The thought was,we were a passing team,

wasnt the right thought

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

and sucks

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Jan 7, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is why the Ravens need to replace Flacco with a left-handed QB.

Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean

by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

his rookie contracts not bad with the wage scale

But he’s one of the best right tackles in football already he will get paid big money regardless of his side, especially in Dallas.

by JCompton41 on Jan 7, 2012 3:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You ever watched The Blind Side?

Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean

by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

smith has been solid at tackle

But I can’t disagree, Collins needs to be on the field, no doubt he’s one of the top 3 or 4 lineman on the team

by JCompton41 on Jan 7, 2012 2:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

RE:

We really should have tried Andre at Guard and Collins at tackle here and there to see how that worked before the season came down to the playoffs.

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

depends if he wants to get paid like a rotational guy or a starter.

If we lose him we need to go get a run stopper. I would say get 2, have peko, adkins, fanane, and 2 big run stoppers.

by JCompton41 on Jan 7, 2012 2:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

exactly

We could easily need 3 picks on dline, 3 picks at corner, 2 picks at running back, and then saftey and wr too.

by JCompton41 on Jan 7, 2012 2:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well

WVU Basketball whooped both Rutgers and #9 Georgetown.
WVU Football stole Clemson’s soul 70-33.

Now all I need is a Bengals win for the QUADFECTA!

by TCfromDubVee on Jan 7, 2012 2:20 PM EST reply actions  

yeah 70 against Clemson.....

wow…

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Who dey baby!

Im at the Uc game in orange and black. im rwady for 430

by cincyboi on Jan 7, 2012 2:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

and the Bearcats aren't even ranked (12-3).....come on man

wish I was there

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

gotta give it time

they lost 2 to some really bad teams, they were ranked at the time too, gotta play their way back into it

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

They should crack the top 25 if they win today. They had some bad losses earlier in the year that set them back

by cincyboi on Jan 7, 2012 2:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If UC plays Defense like they've been playing

They can hang with ANYBODY in the big east. And if their shots are falling they definitely can beat anybody scoring the way they have been

by cincyboi on Jan 7, 2012 3:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Thats pretty true about any team, but

it will be a good game. Looking forward to playing good ole BE basketball one last time.

by TCfromDubVee on Jan 7, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

hard to take serious a place called "garbage time sports"

lol

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

but I will take the prediction

whodey

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Predicted a Steelers loss too

Would be a good weekend if it came true

by C.Reid-D on Jan 7, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats my opinion of Yahoo sports most of the time

Until yesterday i seen Eddie Gorge and That Larda— Jason Cole
Both pick the Bengals

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Forgot Mayock was commentating this game.

He’ll be spitting all over the f’in screen.

by whodeycommish14 on Jan 7, 2012 2:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I completly read the name wrong, but the comment was still right on!

Myc*ck = decent talent evaluator

terrible commentator though

(sorry.. I am giddy about the game)

by steveinct on Jan 7, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I really like him

He knows his stuff and is a hell of a lot better than the guys that barely know what teams they’re watching.

by emeybee on Jan 7, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

but it’s REALLY hard to listen to him talk

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

plus

bet he talks about the Vikings more than the Bengals today, or brings up Bengals recent draft history or what we’ll do in the upcoming, we’re still playing dammit, all I wanna hear about today is what’s going on on the field

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

My point is joeb's

He’s much better than Matt Milen and Joe Theisman and he knows his football, but it’s really hard to listen to him speak.

by whodeycommish14 on Jan 7, 2012 2:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Isn't

Asante Samuels a FA next year? I’d like that move

AD to AJ = TD!!

by Toasted_Orange_Monster on Jan 7, 2012 2:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I don't think I could deal with having Finnegan on our team.

He might be the biggest prick in football.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

just think he’s more talented than Samuels at this point in their careers, Samuels is another Clements…imo

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d boycott the games if they sign Finnegan. He’s such a tool.

Note: I wouldn’t actually boycott. I just wouldn’t like it.

by Dorey15 on Jan 7, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Watching Andre Johnson beat his ass was awesome.

Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean

by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

+100000

Only time I’ve liked the Texans.

by Dorey15 on Jan 7, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Dont Forget Hines Ward

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

James has over 3200 rush yds with 40tds.

I might reach and take with 2nd 1st or trade down couple spots to get 3rd rounder and James. He is an elite talent, no where in Scott territory. If we can grab Jenkins, Barron, and James with first 3 picks that a take our team to CHAMPIONSHIP LEVEL. Grab a speedy Wr, TE, D-line,and another Cb. We got plenty of cash available get the best young guard in free agency. People don’t forget about Rivers and Shipley both guys can play that wasn’t playing for us this year.

by pray4gm11 on Jan 7, 2012 3:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Inactives

S Mays, S Sands, LB Moch, OG Hudson, OT Collins, WR Binns, DT Hayden

by emeybee on Jan 7, 2012 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

I don't like the fact that Mays is out.

Our ST coverage might take a hit.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

out for Texans
Houston Texans @HoustonTexans
#Texans inactives: 7 QB Garcia, 15 WR Maehl, 26 CB Harris, 33 S Nolan, 61 G Austin, 66 T Gardner, 88 TE Graham

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

>Collins

"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus

by Doc Scratch on Jan 7, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

moch = sergio kindle

WTF

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

no

inactive entire season

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont mind letting guys sit and learn

its a standard part of NFL development. These guys are rookies…lets wait and see how they develop….of course I would of loved to see them….

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

but, we could’ve used his roster spot

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

yes he was

Migraines all year, you can I.R. him with a medical condition

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Moch

He was talking about Sands

by emeybee on Jan 7, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

my bad

the Moch situation has left a bad taste

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Sands

could’ve said he had migraine like symptoms and used his spot…lol

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

yep, prolly shoulda

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah i agree

if you know your not going to play him, put him on ir or something

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yahoo Has a Interview with Jon Gruden Talking about his brother

I think for those of you that continue to doubt this guy,it would provide some insight into why Jay
will get the Jacksonville job,and be very successful at the same time.

So glad this guy is calling plays today

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 3:10 PM EST reply actions  

link?

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

This is fake a fake john gruden you do realize right?

written by chris chase

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Frick

Chase sux Donkey’s

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

kinda had me for a second too…

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll never trust anything that guy writes again

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

the title of the article is "Fake John Gruden"

keithp…I award you no points for that post….and may god have mercy on your soul….and whodey

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Still doesnt change my opinion

I’m glad he is calling the plays today

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I am glad that Jay is here too

I hope we can keep him… continuity in an offensive system is key for successful teams..

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Who Dey!

My Pick…Bengals 19, Texans 16

"There's only one god, and his name is Death. And what do we say to Death? Not today!" --- Syrio Forel, Game of Thrones

by cesarhernandez on Jan 7, 2012 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

90 MINUTES!

LET’S GO! WHO DEY! Let’s prove to all the football analysts that this is a new season and how we got here doesn’t matter. Don’t look backward boys. Only ahead. Don’t just be glad to be here. OWN IT! This Texans team was built in September and October. Let’s be a January team. A GREAT JANUARY TEAM!

by banderson22 on Jan 7, 2012 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

Bengals 24 Texans 14

And we don’t turn the ball over in our own territory or fumble a fumble or miss a sure sack on 3rd and 15. We are prepared. No mental mistakes this time.

by banderson22 on Jan 7, 2012 3:20 PM EST reply actions  

So who do you like in the late game

I’m thinking Detroit could pull off an upset.

by emeybee on Jan 7, 2012 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

I think Brees is gonna get silly today

350yds 3 tds

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

hard not to pull for the underdog

lions fans endured all those crap matt millen drafts and a horrible owner too.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 7, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah I wish the Lions would win

I think it would boost that team and city to at least win 1 this year

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

eh, not if it's the Lions.

Schwartz is a douche, half the guys on their defense are thugs and the city sucks. The only person on that team I really like is Megatron.

Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean

by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I feel the same….One of, if not the, dirtiest teams in the league

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Jan 7, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully the Lions, I like cheering for the underdogs. But, after last season, I just can’t see the Saints losing early again.

by Dorey15 on Jan 7, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

not unless

they get Drew Brees to break an appendage

by banderson22 on Jan 7, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not at all bold

two guys already predicted the same ;-)

by emeybee on Jan 7, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The bold part was predicting Brees to go over 400 yards.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be interested to see how the 49ers match up, though.

Maybe the best way to beat the Packers is to keep that offense off the field.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

49ers big problem Alex Smith

I can’t forget two superbowls to them i’d rather see Shitsburg or the boring Pats win

by messjunk on Jan 7, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Saints

I think there running game ends up being the difference
With both teams destroying each other’s defense

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone is predicting a Saints blowout

But their last game was closer than people realize, and the defense will come out angry after last week. If they can stop Saints even a little they have the offense to pull it off. It would be a surprise, but I think they can do it.

by emeybee on Jan 7, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

How sweet would it be...

…if today was the day that the Bengals pull off the massive blowout that we’ve been waiting all season for?

by Dorey15 on Jan 7, 2012 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

To conservative for a BLOWOUT

17-3, type of blowout

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

yes,i agree

Just depends on what your definition of a blowout is i guess

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I guess so.

For me a blowout is when it’s at least more than a ten point game, and one team clearly outplayed the other the whole game. You said 17-3. and if the defense was truly dominant I would consider that a blowout.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's just win

And if we do, can we all promise to not say stupid shit like, “But we didn’t win by enough”?!

by emeybee on Jan 7, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Your Right

A win today,and this might be the first time all season
No one here has anything to butch about

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Bengals 20 -Texans 16

NUGE,dont u!

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

I think this is about right

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Carson "that guy sucked in Ciny"

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 7, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

It's almost four o'clock, fellas.

Closing in on that half hour mark.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

Here we go...................

WHO DEY?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche

by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 7, 2012 4:04 PM EST reply actions  

Its....almost.....time...

AHHHHHHHHHHHH WHO DEY!!!!!!!!!!!

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Jan 7, 2012 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

I'd give my left arm for a nice playoff run...........

I’m a righty, so would still be ok.

"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche

by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 7, 2012 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

Well, I'd give my left nut for a Super Bowl win.

Your move, TVBB.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

You are a true Bengals fan sir..............

I think we’re good. I’ve got the playoffs run covered, you’ve got the SB win. We’re good!

"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche

by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 7, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's get this win

The season is already a success in my mind regardless of the outcome today. We’ve set ourselves up to be a winning franchise in the near future with a young QB, elite WR, and a lot of young talent on the front of the defense. That doesn’t even count the extra picks we gained from trading Carson and Chad. The experience will also be extremely helpful in the near future.

by C1ncy4Life on Jan 7, 2012 4:10 PM EST reply actions  

+1

I’m thrilled regardless, but I’ll be even more ecstatic if when we win!

by emeybee on Jan 7, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

A win would make me esctatic also. We would get that much more experience and the chance to play in the AFC Championship game. If we win today, anything can happen!

by C1ncy4Life on Jan 7, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's get the gamethread going.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

+1

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Pacman Adam is getting the team fired up. Love it. We’ve gotta keep this guy.

by emeybee on Jan 7, 2012 4:16 PM EST reply actions  

I love his passion.

He really gets the crowd involved at home games.

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by sexsalad on Jan 7, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

we need

Pacman today, Adam is good, Pacman is a game changer

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

certaintly

Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.

by Blue Steel on Jan 7, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

....?

.

Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.

by Blue Steel on Jan 7, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

im watching online

Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.

by Blue Steel on Jan 7, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

just came on...

Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.

by Blue Steel on Jan 7, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha ha

AJ used to be on a juggling team. Including dancing and unicycles. No wonder he can catch.

by emeybee on Jan 7, 2012 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

that was awesome

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

And they mentioned Dalton's look

I noticed it too, he was excited to see him juggle

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

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