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Cincinnati Bengals Roundhouse Kicked Out Of The Playoffs Following Texans 31-10 Win

Though the 2011 Cincinnati Bengals came into this season with limited expectations, implementing a new offense orchestrated by a rookie offensive coordinator, quarterback and wide receiver, the team America believed would be the worst in the NFL, won nine games and claimed a berth in the playoffs on January 1, 2012. Suddenly expectations changed. Rather than praising the team for making the playoffs, a rematch against the Houston Texans where Cincinnati held a commanding nine-point lead in the fourth quarter, offered optimism that Cincinnati may win their first game in 21 years – or 7,671 days.

Star-divide

Despite giving up a first quarter touchdown, the Cincinnati Bengals defense held Houston’s offense to three punts during their first four possessions whereas the Bengals strung together three scoring opportunities, putting ten points on the board – Mike Nugent missed a 50-yarder midway through the first quarter.

Then everything went fell apart midway through the second quarter.

With 7:09 remaining in the first half, the Texans strung together a 59-yard drive on 13 plays, capped by a game-tying Neil Rackers field goal. After Cincinnati returned the ensuing kickoff and following a 15-yard scramble by Andy Dalton, defensive end J.J. Watt picked off Dalton’s pass at the line of scrimmage, returning it 29 yards for a touchdown to take a 17-10 lead. The first half eventually ended with Watt’s quarterback sack as the second quarter expired.

Though the Bengals were only down by seven, the Texans clearly commanded momentum heading into half time.

Along with an embarrassingly ineffective offense, coordinated by Jay Gruden who is favored to become Jacksonville’s next head coach, Cincinnati’s defense began wearing down. Highlighted by Chris Crocker’s circus act of missed tackles, failed interception attempts and bad coverage reads, or Adam Jones’ painfully busted coverage on Andre Johnson or Rey Maualuga often out of position and blocked to the ground, Houston’s second half offense reverted to their strength, the running game.

During their regular season finale against the Baltimore Ravens, Cincinnati’s defense allowed 221 yards rushing. Arian Foster and Ben Tate combined for 190 yards rushing on 33 carries and two touchdowns.

This is the third time during the Marvin Lewis era that the Bengals are one-and-done in the playoffs, losing first to Pittsburgh, then New York and now the Houston Texans.

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Draft

Free agency

Time to jell in the off season.

Thanks for the ride boys.

Do you know what a super man Ass Whooping is ?... Its the type of Ass Whooping you wish you could Fly away from !....

by 77CincyRage on Jan 7, 2012 7:53 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

C'mon man

Although most of us bengal fans are dissapointed we probably saved are self from a new england massacre.But did anybody else see crocker attempt of a tackle on foster late in the 4th. down the sideline that gave foster a td. or nate livings letting the nt blow pass him to sack dalton for 9 yds c’mon man

by bengals&buckeyenation on Jan 7, 2012 7:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I saw that

But at the same time as seeing it happen, i thought to my self. He wont be here next year any way. Neither will Benson and a few other players.

Thanks for making the decision easy for us to part ways with you.

Do you know what a super man Ass Whooping is ?... Its the type of Ass Whooping you wish you could Fly away from !....

by 77CincyRage on Jan 7, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And we'll have Hall and Shipley back.

and two first round draft picks.

Follow me on Twitter @BonnieBengal

by BonnieBengal on Jan 7, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

Crock = gone
Benson = gone
O – line except Whit = better step up or get replaced
Geathers = gone
CB = ?

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

andre had a pretty good year

i think we should retain him,no question

LG are RG are glaring weaknesses….hope bobbie comes back for atleast another year

The Curse of Bo Jackson: Jan 13th,1991- present day

by TruWhoDey on Jan 7, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

hope bobbie comes back???

he was part of the problem…you guys just make me laugh….

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 8, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Bobbie went down

and our line play DECLINED. Sorry, he may be getting up there in age but he wasn’t part of the problem.

by Oregonbengalsfan on Jan 8, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

nate livings should be in jail

b/c he robbed Mike Brown…he is the worst excuse for a LG i’ve ever seen….we HAVE TO upgrade LG next year, draft FA or trade….we will not be a complete offense if nate livings is still seeing significant playing time

The Curse of Bo Jackson: Jan 13th,1991- present day

by TruWhoDey on Jan 7, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

He was pretty ugly. Peko highly disappointed too.

We should try hard to re-sign Pat Sims, cause Peko was treated like a rag doll.

by redrifle14 on Jan 7, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no problem with peko

He’s reliable,consistent, hard working. And a true leader

The Curse of Bo Jackson: Jan 13th,1991- present day

by TruWhoDey on Jan 7, 2012 10:47 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions   1 recs

Clint Boling

Hopefully with a season under his belt he will come to camp ready to take over the job. I would like to see what he will bring to the table. The couple early starts he got in the season hopefully let him know what he needs to work on.

"Next season will be better" circa 1990

by Yarin on Jan 7, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I really like Peko. He provides the front four with the veteran presence that a young group of guys need (even though he is still young himself)

by Dorey15 on Jan 7, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Peko is a keeper, no doubts there....

he should also being playing in the pro bowl, he just does not get enough recognition…

by pemci on Jan 7, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Much like...

…a guy on the other end of the ball. Whitworth.

by Dorey15 on Jan 7, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you

Peko and the whole line were better at the beginning of the year when they could rotate. I think that is the key, let’s get some more very large and quick/fast guys to supplement them in the off-season.

What is politically correct today probably won't be tomorrow. God bless the Miami nation.

by RedskinatHeart on Jan 8, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

true that

I hope boling pans out…kinda weird how he started in place of Bobbie then didn’t really play the rest of the year-particularly after the Boss broke his leg

The Curse of Bo Jackson: Jan 13th,1991- present day

by TruWhoDey on Jan 8, 2012 12:55 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

changes

here`s some quik hits,more when I`m talked from the ledge. g-replace livings with smith cut benson,crocker,need another run stuffing dt asap gruden nice job for a rook,but use all your weapons

by tgam on Jan 8, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s think offseason what moves do we need to make in free agency?

by Bfritts45 on Jan 7, 2012 7:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Free Agents
Colston, Garcon, Meachum. One of those guys.
Nicks or Grubbs. One of them.
Forte, Lynch, Tolbert, Bush. Pick one.

Draft
Guard, CB, RB in the first two rounds.
Receiver in the 3rd or 4th.
DT in the 4th or 5th.

Resign
Reggie Nelson
Anthony Collins
Jerome Simpson
Jonathan Fanene
Manny Lawson
Chris Pressley
Pat Sims

Move Nate Clements to Safety to replace Crocker, there is no elite safety talent in FA or the draft.

by Cry on Jan 7, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Grubbs

Grubbs would be a phenomenal signing! pricey, but we have the money. lets see if MB spends it.

by OhWell on Jan 7, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

In house must signs

are Nelson, Collins, Lawson, Sims. Fanene should be cheap, so get him. Simpson is still a talented young man. I’m not against bringing him back. His flip got him alot of popularity. He’ll want to test his value out in FA.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Fanene

will not be cheap. He has 6.5 sacks this year (Atkins leads with 7.5, I think)..And had 7 sacks in 2009.

by OhWell on Jan 7, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Resign Pac Man

He may have wiffed on the TD after he wwas hurt -but he is at least a 3rd corner

by TX Bengal on Jan 7, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

THANK YOU

I’ve been saying the same thing

by AZBengal18 on Jan 7, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Pac Man had no help

from Crocker on that play….you would think being Andre Johnson, you might offer the guy some help…

by pemci on Jan 7, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Tolbert

I don’t think he’s our answer at RB. Unless we are committed to running Scott, I just don’t think that Tolbert is the primary RB that we need.

Note: This is coming from a huge Tolbert fan. Love his power.

by Dorey15 on Jan 7, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

ridiculous

those 2 challenges are unforgivable…but you can’t deny what he’s done w/this team after the worst offseason i can imagine (of any NFL team….EVER)

The Curse of Bo Jackson: Jan 13th,1991- present day

by TruWhoDey on Jan 7, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

good season fellas

looking forward to draft talk

by Tampa_Bengal on Jan 7, 2012 7:54 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Not too disappointed when all is considered

I have seen them lose 2 Superbowls this was easy to take. They are the 6th best team in AFC and played like it in a very hostile environment, a team hosting their 1st playoff game and frankly with more talent than Bengals currently have. Hope they can improve and win vs quality opponents next year.

by brisd on Jan 7, 2012 7:56 PM EST reply actions  

Great Season

Thank you Bengals….You showed heart……whodey….now lets get to Free Agency and Draft talk….whodey

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

+100000000

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Jan 7, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Effing embarrassment

There’s no consolation in a 21-point playoff loss. This was the year that things looked they had changed. They haven’t. Same ol’, same ol’. They didn’t even belong on the same field as the Texans today—one hint of adversity and they curl up in their shell. It’s never going to change.

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by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 7, 2012 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

so your a glass half full guy huh

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Jan 7, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

What's positive out of this?

They got a 9-7 record against a soft schedule and one and done embarrassed in the playoffs? This was their best chance to win a playoff game. They played a 5th round/third string QB, backup OLB, etc.

Dalton was rattled, their prize that they let go, JJoe, made them look dumb for not re-signing them and they were embarrassed today. This season was a pleasant surprise, but to be happy after that performance is…I don’t know…

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by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 7, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

back away from the ledge Bro.

we’re all upset, but we have a bright future, you of all people on here should know this, I’m not satisfied with what I saw today, but, the season as a whole was pretty damn good, we were in every game except 2, this being one, but we at least have next year to prove our worth, I’m excited about our potential and that’s what I’m choosing to focus on.

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

RE:

Future is bright, yes. But today was eye-opening. The cold-blooded guys all year (Dalton, Lewis) looked like deer in headlights. I thought that this year would be different—they had a better showing with Jon Kitna seven years ago.

I’m excited for the future, don’t get me wrong, I’m just really frustrated with today’s outcome. It was really embarrassing.

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by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 7, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

RE:

would it have been better if they lost by 1, there were less than a handful of plays that changed this game, a handful

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

RE:

I’m together :) Just frustrated. Can’t I vent?

CincyJungle.com Manager/Editor
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by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 7, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

yes you can

we’re just trying to keep you from exploding :)

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha thanks

I’m trying not to, bud!

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by Anthony Cosenza on Jan 7, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

When I see Detroit and the Saints..

I smell where you’re coming from. This team just didn’t perform. They didn’t play a playoff quality game. But, look at the Saints, they were one and done last year and had a miserable rushing attack much like us. This year they are 6th rushing in the league and have a prolific offense. Look at Detroit. They have a QB who has been in the system and building chemistry for years now, we have a rookie QB and WR.

It wasn’t a playoff caliber game. But the defense is there, it’s Super Bowl caliber with some retooling of the secondary. The offense will come together and I think if Free Agency goes the way we want, it can be lethal.

Buck up friend. I know you love your Bengals. The passion is clear. Just back off that ledge and be the rock we need. A general can’t cry in front of his men ;).

by Cry on Jan 7, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

To add to this also...

A rookie QB and WR, with really a second year #2 WR and a second year TE…which got no help WHATSOEVER from our running game. Do you realize that Dalton had more rushing yards than Benson AND Scott?

TJ Yates, only threw the ball 20 times, and completed only 11 passes, but he had HUGE help from his RB’s, something that Dalton did not get from his…

by pemci on Jan 7, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

This says it all
Do you realize that Dalton had more rushing yards than Benson AND Scott?

by emeybee on Jan 7, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That does say it all....

His first INT was just a great play by Watt…
His second INT could have been better, but that was just like a punt…
His third INT, that was a bad pass, and lucky on Manning’s part that he did not step out of bounds, it was really close there. Plus, you could tell he was trying hard to get the team going, I can live with all 3 of his INT’s. I can not accept Benson and Scott carrying the ball 13 times for 25 yards…that is unacceptable!

by pemci on Jan 7, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

agreed entirely

very nice little write up.

  1. was WOW!
  2. was “aw, shit. I’d make that play 10 more times!”
  3. was a necessary pass if this team was to catch up. It just didn’t work out.

Merry Who-Dey, everybody!!

by supergrover on Jan 8, 2012 6:38 AM EST up reply actions  

What bothers me most

They never show up for big games.. never! Just go back to last week when the season was on the line.
Dalton has regressed quite abit from the season opener till what we saw tonight. I understand our O line is quite bad, but he was in over his head in this game.

"Next season will be better" circa 1990

by Yarin on Jan 7, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

No

Did I say get rid of Dalton? I said he regressed and anyone that has watched more than this game tonight knows thats the truth!

"Next season will be better" circa 1990

by Yarin on Jan 7, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

But Dalton is a pro....

he will take this and learn from it, and come back better next year…

by pemci on Jan 7, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

yep, and that's not regression

That’s something he has to learn to counter.

I saw some people say he looked lost, I disagree. I thought he handled himself as well as he could. Better than #9 had done (and I am a 9 “defender”, of sorts)

Merry Who-Dey, everybody!!

by supergrover on Jan 8, 2012 6:41 AM EST up reply actions  

But again, Dalton did not have any

help in the running game. Week in, week out, you don’t have any help from your rb’s, you do start to press things a little more each time.

by pemci on Jan 7, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

I think they looked brilliant in the first half, even being down by 7 off a once in a lifetime interception.
Second half, Crocker makes that whiff and then AJones gets minorly hurt and bites on the move and Crocker doesn’t cover the back end, suddenly we are in a whole differnt play mode.

I’m mostly just mad that Crocker did that ridiculous no tackle that will give the haters something to laugh about and point at and scream BUNGLE!

Merry Who-Dey, everybody!!

by supergrover on Jan 8, 2012 6:40 AM EST up reply actions  

jjoe

Im just as pissed as you but its not like they didnt want him back. He chose houston over us so we gotta move on from that

by Jog73 on Jan 7, 2012 9:32 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

they said on nbc today

he wanted to come back, but Brown wouldn’t match the gauranteed money that Houston offered

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

We couldn't because we still had

Palmer to think about. If we would have matched JJoe’s money and if Palmer would have come back we would have been in trouble

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Jan 7, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Not me.

If he lights up Flacco in a different uni, I’ll still smile.

Andy Dalton: An American Hero

by Pardon_My_French on Jan 7, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Honestly I wouldn’t mind seeing the Texans win. Yes it sucks they beat us, but if they overcome all of that adversity to win the SB, can’t deny that would be a fantastic story. Not to mention that, while I did want to see Green burn JJoe, it would be awesome to see a former Bengal win what he deserves.

by Dorey15 on Jan 7, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

why?

It’s not like he badmouthed the Bengals. He played well here and then moved on without animos. I think his reasoning was valid, it just turned out that we really could have needed him since it didn’t act like a rebuilding year.

Merry Who-Dey, everybody!!

by supergrover on Jan 8, 2012 6:43 AM EST up reply actions  

If Denver doesn't manage to pull of the upset...

Bengals will have 17 and 22nd Draft Picks. We’ll spend so much time debating ’til the cows come home about how to address those spots.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

That looks pretty good

Chance to add two studs to our secondary/o-line

by AZBengal18 on Jan 7, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Would you be willing to move up for an elite player

like DeCastro? That’s the only guy I’d do it for. Although trading up for a G sounds so crazy.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

ehh

If you wouldve asked me this yesterday, I would’ve said your’e crazy. After seeing that piss poor thing we call an O-line, I say maybe. But i still think we can do better with two draft picks. I would love to get Dennard and Glenn/Miller with out first round picks. Or maybe try and trade Gradkowski to the Raiders for two more picks…

by AZBengal18 on Jan 7, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

but then

we would HAVE to address our O-line in free agency

by AZBengal18 on Jan 7, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The good thing?

Many OL probably buy into Dalton and would love to play for him.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

hopefully

You think Nicks likes Dalton more than Brees? Or Grubbs likes him more than Flacco?

by AZBengal18 on Jan 7, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

probably not

But like other people in this board have pointed out, Saints have a lot of big name FAs (including Brees) and will lose at least a couple. Hoping that Nicks is one of them (if we don’t get Grubbs).

by OhWell on Jan 7, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

honestly

If we cant get Nicks, I wont be heartbroken. But I would love to get Meachem from the Saints and get Grubbs from B-more.

by AZBengal18 on Jan 7, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

that would be a really good free agency (if we don’t lose anyone important)

by OhWell on Jan 7, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yessir

I would love that. Especially if Crocker and Benson are gone. Hate those two…and Bobbie Williams has to come back!

by AZBengal18 on Jan 7, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Wonder if Brees...

who is always put over as a TEAM guy would take less then a MAX contract to keep his guys around?

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

if Richardson is there at 17 we have to take him

Then guard IMO go CB in the second…our secondary is incomplete yes, but we have to go gaurd in the first and don’t see how we could pass on richardson

The Curse of Bo Jackson: Jan 13th,1991- present day

by TruWhoDey on Jan 7, 2012 10:52 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Game Over!

Gruden got what he wanted, Nothing…! On a 3 down and 12yds and Gruden sends in a running play was that a flop as most of his plays were this season.

by RA59 on Jan 7, 2012 8:15 PM EST reply actions  

You guys played tough and that defense was no joke (but did get worn down)

Young team that’ll get better (and upgraded with FA and the draft)…..love the defensive line….you guys are gonna be around (and hopefully rule the North as Baltimore and Pittsburgh are long in the tooth) for a long time. Window’s just opening in Cincinnati. Great season, guys….respect.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Jan 7, 2012 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

Still proud

to be a Bengal fan, and next September I will be right there back at the sports bar….

Watching Stanford Jennings kick return in the Super Bowl was the out of body experience of my sports life.

by txbengal29 on Jan 7, 2012 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

Our offensive line was the difference between moving on and going home.

Build the line and we will be fine. Our defense is good enough.

by D-Day77 on Jan 7, 2012 8:17 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

That commercial cracks me up...

the idea of a Browns fan having something to cheer for is nuts.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 8:18 PM EST reply actions  

Favre and Kenny Chesney.

Oh god. What a duo of assholes. NBC will love that.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 8:18 PM EST reply actions  

Benson

Did benson even touch the ball in the second. He looked pissed when scott was in and not him

by Masonr on Jan 7, 2012 8:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I thought Dalton looked pretty good, despite the INTs

What I don’t understand is: this was the weakest playoff opponent that Marvin has had yet, and yet it was his poorest showing as a game-manager. I’m not sure if that’s regression or just bad luck.

I feel like we’re playing in the Bizarro NFL. They had the running game, we had the passing game…this is 2012, we should win, right? Except all the positions we’ve been ignoring for years (guard and strong safety in particular) came back to bite us. This last draft really didn’t help the defense—except for Dalton, Green, and Whalen, no one really contributed. I think this especially hurt the defense.

by Big Sky Bengal on Jan 7, 2012 8:22 PM EST reply actions  

Am I the only one who hates brandon Tate?

Besides the one TD he had early in the year he hasnt done anything besides fumbling the ball and stumbling for 5 yard returns. He gives us no threat in the return game and continues to make stupid decisions like the two punts he caught inside the 10 and the kickoff he brought out to no where

by whodeyATL on Jan 7, 2012 8:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Agreed...he had 2 good games this year...against the

Seahawks and the Rams…other than that, wasted roster spot

by pemci on Jan 7, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I like him

He’s not the best in the league, but he’s better than Quan and I think he’s better than most people think. The one run out toward the end of the game wasn’t good, but he also got us yards several times. Do wish we could get a return man who could actually catch a reception once in awhile to be more useful.

by emeybee on Jan 7, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

His problem is he doesn't offer any other uses

If we keep Jones he should be returning punts, and either Peerman or Scott for kick offs, or draft someone like Jeffrey Demps or Maquis Maze who are really good punt returners

by messjunk on Jan 8, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

I’ve mentioned this before, but last year we were 26th in the league in starting field position. This year we are 5th. Tate is an upgrade from Cosby and everyone loved Cosby. But yes it would be nice if he would get on the field. But I wonder how much of that is Tate as opposed to the coaches just wanting him to return kicks and punts.

by Oregonbengalsfan on Jan 8, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

He's got pressure on him because he's only a K/P returner

So everytime he gets it he must feel he’s gotta do something spectacular. All he needs to do is make sure we’re not backed up inside the 5 yard line

by messjunk on Jan 8, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I like him too

and am glad to see someone else say this.

The fumble was really really bad. But that was the only one, and he doesn’t run like a fumbler, as others claimed.

He can break it… my big problem is the stutter step. It does nothing, since he is predictable with it. It just gives them an extra fraction of a second to nail him. He should just turn up field.

I, for one, hope he is back. (Unless, of course, a better option arises)

Merry Who-Dey, everybody!!

by supergrover on Jan 8, 2012 6:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Tate was Ok

Not a big deal of they get rid of him – they could do better – but they could easily do worse – Not a big issue either way – not going to spend much on that spot anyway. I’d give him another year unless someone is clearly better in training camp

by TX Bengal on Jan 8, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

marvin is not a great coach

his teams always finish season in a weak fashion.

by andyfrombrooklyn on Jan 7, 2012 8:23 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

+1

"Shiny. Let's be bad guys."

by KentuckianaBrowncoat on Jan 7, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I need you to tell me what a coach does to ensure a strong December and January.

What responsibility falls upon the coaches shoulder that ensures great late season performance? Because in my eyes it’s the injuries and fatigue that hurts the team. We are building depth and learning a killer instinct. It will come. Most teams don’t cry when their head coach leads them to the playoffs. Especially with a team as young as we have.

by Cry on Jan 7, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

+10000

well said

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Jan 7, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

2 months to free agency and 3 months to the draft = )

by OhWell on Jan 7, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Hell yeah! Time to put this behind us and move on. No one does it better than us.

by D-Day77 on Jan 7, 2012 8:28 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Lol I'm gonna order a jersey

With “Just wait til Next Year!” on the back

by Bengals NFL Champs on Jan 7, 2012 8:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Detroit

just got the fumble that Bengals waited all night for.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 8:25 PM EST reply actions  

Imagine...

if Detroit had any of their 3 running backs that didn’t get hurt.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 8:27 PM EST reply actions  

Had to bug out and watched the second half at a neighbor's party

Was for the best….being in polite company meant I had to behave and not get too worked up. Really two plays were absolute killers and game-changers.

1. Dalton pick before half. Really, just a tremendous play by Watt…tip your hat to him.
2. Chris Effin Crocker NOT catching the pick thrown right at him. Those two plays go the Bengals way, and it’s a ballgame.

Either way, I can’t be too upset considering I thought this team was good for about 3-4 wins before the season.

My top draft priorities:
1st round: 2 defensive players, definitely a CB, then either a safety or a linebacker.
2nd round: Running back
3rd round: Guard (usually you don’t have to get a good guard in the first or second).
4th round: WR (Tate and Caldwell gots to go)

"There's only one god, and his name is Death. And what do we say to Death? Not today!" --- Syrio Forel, Game of Thrones

by cesarhernandez on Jan 7, 2012 8:29 PM EST reply actions  

And maybe add a free agent linebacker

Rey Maualuga stinks.

"There's only one god, and his name is Death. And what do we say to Death? Not today!" --- Syrio Forel, Game of Thrones

by cesarhernandez on Jan 7, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Rey looked like he was on a crack bender

all night last night. Pushed around, out of position..the pro game is too much for him.

by Bengals NFL Champs on Jan 7, 2012 8:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

thats absurd

This was his first year in his natural position, with 2 new linebackers on his flanks…your talking about the middle linebacker of a top 10 defense….he had a bad game (which was also his first playoff game). Maybe the pro game is too much for you?

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by TruWhoDey on Jan 7, 2012 10:58 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

+1

Some people can’t see the tuth if it hit them in the head. Rey is terrible and has been for this entire season. Even Skuta made a play in the backfield on atleast 1 play. When is the last time Rey did?

"Next season will be better" circa 1990

by Yarin on Jan 7, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

crocker

I dont know about rest of you, crocker droppin that int flashed me back to lewis billups. Ughh.

by Jog73 on Jan 7, 2012 9:36 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Crocker was horrible.

Take the INT that he dropped, the bad angle he took on Andre Johnson’s TD, then I don’t even know what to call what he was doing on Arian Foster’s last TD run…AWFUL….

by pemci on Jan 7, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

3rd round usually this would be the case

But with so many other teams wanting interior lineman if we wait to 3rd don’t bother talent dramatically falls away after Kevin Zeitler 2nd round for us. Remember where we are picking in 2nd is like a 3rd

by messjunk on Jan 8, 2012 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's a different direction...

we’ve spoken about players Bengals should sign. Let’s look at the players that could leave. We’ve pretty much come to terms who should stay and go (only Simpson is the contested player). Where can you see those players going if they don’t return? I can completely see Simpson going to Philly, for instance.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 8:29 PM EST reply actions  

Or a team in dire need of a WR

Like I could see St. Louis or Washington giving him decent money

by AZBengal18 on Jan 7, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Benson to the Bears

Matt Forte is injured and they don’t know how soon he’ll be back next year. Benson makes perfect sense for them given their familiarity. And im clearly kidding.

by OhWell on Jan 7, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Outside of the...Bengals?

I think the only team Benson can land a spot on is the Texas State Pen.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait...

Raiders. They love ’em some Bengals.

by KSE on Jan 7, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

As long as were joking,

How about we get Hester, Urlacher, Briggs, and Tillman from them in a trade. Crocker, Benson, Livings for them?

by AZBengal18 on Jan 7, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Deal!

And throw Tate in..After losing Hester, they’ll need another stud returner

by OhWell on Jan 7, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh right

How could I be so ridiculous! Now the trade is fair. and I’ve repeatedly said, I wanna keep Pacman. He is a good corner, especially is hes a #2 or #3

by AZBengal18 on Jan 7, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I think most people are gone..just some of us being silly…but t hanks! I love how the Texans have hung in there despite all the injuries and you deserved to win today (not happy we lost, but you’ve got to give credit where its due). Good luck with the rest of the post season and you got a steal with TJ Yates in the 5th round

by OhWell on Jan 7, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Tough game on the road

Never heard Dunlap’s name called today – wonder if he ever really recovered from Hamstring

I’d still resign PacMan – 3rd corner – probably not that expensive – he got burned today – but he can play – maybe return punts next year

We’ll see if Marvin can keep making changes – like to the coaching staff

If Crocker/Benson come back it would be brutal to the Bengal faithful

by TX Bengal on Jan 7, 2012 8:51 PM EST reply actions  

Horrible Effort, Surprising Season

Overall, the Bengals played well beyond expectations this year, hopefully that will continue.

by wordtrey on Jan 7, 2012 8:52 PM EST reply actions  

You guys had a great year this year all things considered

Nobody gave either of our teams any credit before this season, and now look where we are. Ya’ll have two first rounders to work with, a great rookie QB, and a rookie wideout who looks like the next Andre. The future is bright in Cincy.

by SoCalTexan on Jan 7, 2012 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

What a horrible game Crocker had!

He should have had a pick six in the third, a sack on the following play. Then he took a horrible angle on Andre Johnson TD, where he was in a 2 deep coverage. And just to top off a horribe performance he embaressed himself on the final TD. I have never seen as horrible tackling, ever!!

by Addi on Jan 7, 2012 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

other than the holes that are obvious on our team S CB G

2 spots reared up today TE we don’t have a big bodied player who can catch in traffic
and Dissapointingly our LBs They’re serviceable Howard being the best but Rey he’s got a lot of work to do if he wants to be a top player

by messjunk on Jan 7, 2012 8:57 PM EST reply actions  

Great year fellas!

Hope Hall can return to his normal self next year…

by cincyboi on Jan 7, 2012 8:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I'm pissed.

And will continue to be pissed until I see what we do in the draft and in FA.

Now I’m back to thinking we need to draft BPA in this order

OL, CB, OL, CB!!!

by TCfromDubVee on Jan 7, 2012 9:17 PM EST reply actions  

We need a new HC!!!!

I’ve been saying this for years!!! C’mon MBB try listening!

"Shiny. Let's be bad guys."

by KentuckianaBrowncoat on Jan 7, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed...

Marvin is not a good coach. Marvin needs to be in a GM or player personnel position. Marvin has softened Mikey Boy a little, and we need to continue with that. But this team in the next couple years will have all the personnel to succeed. But when Marvin still can’t win the big game, is it still going to be Mike Browns, or players fault? Marvin is a deer in headlights on the sidelines. I know this team has been down for a long time, and for many younger Bengals fans a year like this doesn’t happen often. This team with the draft picks we have coming up this year and next, and cap space has a chance to be special. But it will only work with Marvin in the front office and a coach who just coaches and isn’t every players best friend……

by CINCY1CATS on Jan 8, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I would like to see

Collins at RT, Smith at LG and re-sign Bobbie for a year or two, don’t really want a rookie protecting Dalton, draft Konz(C/G combo and unsure of spelling) and draft a CB

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

then

i say get a lineman in FA, Yanda or Niicks

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

and

get rid of Alexander and turn the line over to Munoz or Lapham

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Players don't always make good coaches

Raiders just fired Woodson for instance. Agree Alexander needs to go, but doubt it will happen, given Mikey and his loyalty issues.

by emeybee on Jan 7, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

too true...

But it would be nice if Katie and Marvin gang up on old man Brown and get him to allow Alexander to be removed… :)

by pemci on Jan 7, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally agree

I’ve been saying this for a few weeks now. It puts Andre back on the left side, his natural side where the footwork is more instinctive to him AND its get the 5 best lineman on the field together. (Wow, that is a novel concept!)

by WOOD98 on Jan 8, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey Guys - Good Game

I thought you played a hell of a game the first half. I do think you gave up on the run a little too early.

While I liked Lewis’ second challenge, I thought the first one was stupid. Hope someone tells him that.

All said – you have a great QB and WR combo with Dalton and Green. Good luck in a super tough division next year.

"And now", said Max, "let the wild rumpus start!"

by Kidaster on Jan 7, 2012 9:21 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks

I’ll be pulling for you guys the rest of the way and goodluck

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice game Texans

The two biggest plays in the game were the Watt INT and the Crocker dropped INT which should have been a pick six

by Addi on Jan 7, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with both

The Watt Pick 6 was crazy.

The Crocker missed INT was huge, as a few plays later, Andre Johnson fakes Jones out of his jock and takes it to the house.

The ice TD by Foster was really just a “kill the clock” run that turned into a TD because no-one could hit.

But I think you guys traded up dumping Palmer and getting Dalton.

"And now", said Max, "let the wild rumpus start!"

by Kidaster on Jan 7, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

That's how it goes in football.

My guess is if you throw that pass 100 times, Watt would only make that catch maybe 20 times. Same on the Crocker dropped INT, he would probably make that catch 70percent of the time.

by Addi on Jan 7, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

crocker????

may, a big maybe 10 percent

by joeb69 on Jan 7, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Trooth.

It would have been a nut-clencher if Crocker had made that pick.

Congratulations on a year that beat all expectations, Bengals.

by FreedomRide on Jan 7, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Titanic

The Cincinnati ship struck a freak ice burg by the name of JJ Watt.

While this didn’t end the Bengals game, it seriously crippled it.

While Crockers missed INT would be considered the over all weight taken on straining the structure.

And the Andre Johnson TD to be the Ship breaking in half

All in all, I hope we do yall a favor and KIll Baltimore next week

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by WreckNTexan on Jan 7, 2012 9:52 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Whodey fans… glad to see a lot of y’all positive tonite. If this team was built with a bunch of free agents i’d be pissed, but this was a good learning experience for a young team. I just hope we can retain our coordinators. There are tons of talented players coming back next year plus we’re probably gonna have ten draft picks this year and who knows what happens in free agency. I’m so pumped for the future.

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by Gold Star Chili Cheese Fries on Jan 7, 2012 9:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

And today I was actuly impressed with kelly jennings the most!!!everytime tj yates threw to the man he was covering I just cringed and closed my eyes expecting the worse lol but he surprised me

by bengals&buckeyenation on Jan 7, 2012 10:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Agreed. It was Jennings best game ever.

Too bad Crocker and Jones didn’t build off of his effort.

by redrifle14 on Jan 7, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

This game confirmed what I was really worried about for the last 8 weeks.

The first half of this season was a mirage. It’s nto that there aren’t a lot of really good pieces here, but we are MUCH further away than I was hoping around week 9. It was fun to sit back and think we were a #2 receiver and a guard and maybe a CB away from being legitimate Super Bowl contenders, but we’re still at least 2 years away from even being able to compete within the division. There were a lot of positives to take away from this season, but unfortunately we’re not as far along as most of us hoped. I think it’s realistic to expect something like an 8-8 season next year. Hopefully, though, it will lay the groundwork for a Lions-like resurgence when Dalton starts hitting his stride.

by eric nyc on Jan 7, 2012 10:31 PM EST reply actions  

What are we missing?

Besides a #2 receiver, guard, and CB? What will make this team a contender next year?

by Cry on Jan 8, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

much better safeties

another cornerback, another guard, an effective running back, and much better linebackers.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 8, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

mental toughness

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by TruWhoDey on Jan 8, 2012 1:00 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions   1 recs

I think you are over stating it

This game showed that we deserved to be there, but the weak spots really really hurt.

Benson got nothing.

Crocker killed with his two ( or three ) major miscues. The miss of the INT was inexcusable and led directly to the Johnson TD. The Johnson TD, I’m told, was Crocker out of position after Jones missed the turn. Then Crocker gave the BUNGLE crowd something to point and holler at with the escort of Foster on that last TD.

Frankly, given the offensive line struggle which we knew was the case all year, I think the team (otherwise) did well. The score doesn’t reflect that as we got into hurry mode going after getting down 2 scores.

Merry Who-Dey, everybody!!

by supergrover on Jan 8, 2012 6:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you're being WAY too kind

Dalton played horribly. 3 INT’s, 0 TD’s, sacked at least 4 times? Taking the sack in the 1st was what led to the long missed FG attempt. Which leads to: The O-line played horribly – and not just the interior. Whitworth was completely whiffing on blocks and letting people go by him untouched. Andre Smith might have been the only one who had a solid game. We need at least 2 new starters and anew coach there. Our receivers did absolutely nothing to help the cause. As much as I love AJ, I’ve started to become pretty alarmed at how easily opposing defenses have figured out how to completely take him out of a game. 3 weeks in a row he was basically a non-factor. I thought that was going to be impossible? And man, as much as I want to keep saying that Gresham is an elite TE, and as much as I’m not sure how much of it is scheme, he just doesn’t show up some days. He needs to be Andy’s escape valve but it seems like once he’s covered, he’s going to stay covered. The rest of the WR corp are pretty much a bunch of misfit toys. I like Hawk and Whalen, but they’re nothing THAT special. Simpson needs to be replaced. THen there’s the running game…I shouldn’t even need to talk about that. I sincerely hope I never have to see Cedric Benson in a Bengals uniform ever again. Done. Just done.

And that’s just the offense. Watching the defense, I can’t for the life of me figure out how that was a 7th ranked unit. They looked like a JV squad against a 3rd string rookie QB. I’ve ben a supporter of Jones for a while, but the guy isn’t a starting caliber CB. He has all the athleticism in the world but not the brains. He’s almost pathologically out of position, and when you CONSTANTLY put him and Crocker into double teams together…Yikes. Dumb and Dumber. The LB corp is weak, as has been stated, I’ve been trying my best to be a Maulaluga booster, but he just has NOT been helping me out the last few weeks. I still think you have to give him another year to develop at the position, but you have to be going into next season with at least the mentality that Muckelroy can step in if he’s not improving. Then there’s the D-line. What has happened to them? Geno is a force, and I think they need to give him a 5 year extension like this morning. But for all the hype, where is Dunlap? Like EVER? Or MJ for that matter? Peko has turned from a pretty good DT to a pretty mediocre DT.

Special teams…Brandon Tate continues to be a non-factor and almost definitely needs to be upgraded. mike Nugent turned from the most accurate kicker in the league to the new SHayne Graham in a matter of weeks. Kevin Huber hasn’t pinned anyone inside the 10 all year pretty much.

Coaching top to bottom…I’m even a little miffed at Zimmer for not having his guys better prepared or having SOME answer to a rookie 3rd string QB and givin gup MONSTER games to Ray Rice and Arian Foster in back to back weeks when he was supposed to have the best and deepest defensive fronts in football.

I don’t think I’m overstating anything. I think yesterday showed the pinnacle of a trend that was developing for weeks – that this team was not nearly as far along in its development as it looked for a while. I really think we all have to be prepared for a slight regress next year with the tougher schedule. We could easily be a 6-8 win team and I think that would be a reasonable developmental season given all the new pieces we’re going to have to bring in. But I am confident that with the right moves, a season like that could springboard them to a much better 2013.

by eric nyc on Jan 8, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

you just restated what we've all said during the thread

except you didn’t prove why they didn’t deserve to be there.
They earned the wins with pretty much what they had on the field. The big exception being Dunlap not being what he was pre-injury.

Crock choked up the game, too.

Dalton had 3 ints, yep. One was bizarre and amazing. One was unfortunate, but not inadvisable. One was just one of those throws you have to make if your down by 14+ late in the game. I’m not gonna hate on him for them. Normal game or tie game, and it’s just the 2nd one that happens.

Merry Who-Dey, everybody!!

by supergrover on Jan 8, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Was I trying to prove they didn't deserve to be there?

They had the record, they won the tie breaker, sure they deserved to be there. THat’s how it works. You don’t pick your schedule, you just go out and play it and at the end of the season it is what it is. But yesterday was more than just a loss. It was more than just a bad loss. It was more than just a bad loss in the playoffs. It was every single question mark we have had about this team all year (and about its head coach for the last DECADE) being thrust into the spotlight. It really was about as poor of a performance from everyone involved as you could have imagined. I’m not saying burn the whole thing down, but there are a LOT of very fair, very reasonable criticisms and complaints to be heaped on the organization today. They need to come up with answers.

by eric nyc on Jan 8, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

in retrospect, you werent

I apologize for addressing it thusly. I must’ve jumbled yours and another post…

So, instead I say: +1

Merry Who-Dey, everybody!!

by supergrover on Jan 8, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Best G, RB DB availbable at 17 and 22

Castro/Richardson – or some DB will slip some in draft

Safety over CB if possible – Hall/Pacman/Clements/Jennings can work

Fan base is a little better after disaster of 2010 – but they need a good FA/Draft to keep things headed in right direction – not quite surey Mikey and Marvin can pull that off

by TX Bengal on Jan 7, 2012 10:37 PM EST reply actions  

Safety over CB if possible – Hall/Pacman/Clements/Jennings can wor

Woof…Not sure if you happened to catch the game today. I’m actually at the point where I don’t think I want Pacman on this team anymore. His play has been slipping the past few weeks, and at BEST he’s a nickel back. At worst, they were reporting that he was throwing tantrums on the sidelines and refusing to listen to Zimmer. I think i’d actually rather keep Jennings around than Jones at this point. But we most definitely need a major upgrade at starting CB, and Hall isn’t going to be enough. I think if Mays had been healthy we would have pulled Crocker today. He was that bad. If Richardson and DeCastro are both gone at 17, maybe you shoot for a Dennard/Barron combo with our first two picks, but we HAVE to get the CB.

by eric nyc on Jan 7, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice with the woof

I’d let Zimmer make the call on Pacman – he is only about 26 an was 6th? pick in draft and coming off injury. He got burned by Andre Johnson – and he may have gone a little wiggy on sideline – but if Zimmer thinks he can handle and thinks he can play keep him – J Reedy said the other day he is a lot easier to deal with. If Pacman got a lot of snaps after Hall went down

If he is a locker room cancer dump him – but we can’t tell that from here

by TX Bengal on Jan 7, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering we lost our slot receiver and best Corner earlier

And they both will be back coupled with the extra draft picks and the departure of Benson which will be addition by subtraction it is actually going to be a great era for us Bengal fans.
I am pretty excited for what lies ahead

by ExNFLScout on Jan 7, 2012 10:45 PM EST reply actions  

The only problem with that is Texans lost their top two QB's and kicked our ass

Everybody’s got their injuries – I would not say Bengals were that bad relative to rest of league

I don’t think anyone ever wants to see Benson/Crocker in Stripes again. Gotta figure Crocker is close to done – Benson gained 1000 yards – maybe top 16 in league? – he can probably catch on somewhere – just please don’t make it Cincy

by TX Bengal on Jan 7, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Crocker should be done...not close to done...

What the hell was he doing on Foster’s TD run?

by pemci on Jan 7, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Hall might not ever be the same

Achilles injuries for cornerbacks? I’d give him poor odds of returning to form.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 8, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

You don't get to play the injury card when you just got beat by the Houston Texans

They are the poster children for injury-plagued teams, not even just in the playoffs but in the entire league.

by eric nyc on Jan 8, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Fire o-line and secondary coach!

If we really wanna go to elite level them two reload have to go. Our obvious needs are db’s and o-line. Alexander has made bad decisions since forever and Coyles don’t teach ball skills at all.

by pray4gm11 on Jan 7, 2012 10:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Dennard

Does not appeal to me at all, he obviously has some attitude problems.

by SCbengalsfan on Jan 7, 2012 11:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Get tossed from one game...

I don’t think he’s ever had any history of that sort of thing. i’ve not read a single thing about any character issues with him. I think Jeffery was being chippy with him all game and it just boiled over. If it was a pattern, i’d be concerned. But he has to have less character issues than Jenkins.

by eric nyc on Jan 7, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed that Jenkins would be worse

But in every shot I saw he was getting very chippy with Jeffrey. After he was ejected he was laughing and appeared to be celebrating on the sideline with team mates. Then he didn’t go to the locker room for at least 10 minutes after he was ejected.

by SCbengalsfan on Jan 7, 2012 11:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Also

If you don’t have enough self control to keep from swinging on another guy in a big game even if he was chippy that’s a problem

by SCbengalsfan on Jan 7, 2012 11:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

We want a ball hawk Corner

Casey Hayward and Trumaine johnson for me hopefully by draft time Dennard and Jenkins have slipped down boards along with Cordy Glenn. Just because alot of mocks have us taking them doesn’t mean they’re any good. I’ve watched a fair bit of both Glenn and Dennard and can’t work out why they’re are considered 1st round talent. Take the chance on Jenkins if he falls to 2nd. We’d be better served trading the 2 picks for the CB we really want Claibourne or 1st and 2nd and get DeCastro

by messjunk on Jan 7, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice game

And a nice season for you guys as well. A rookie QB leading a young team like that into the postseason is a great accomplishment especially considering your division. Most of the sports talking heads thought you would be disastrous this year and you proved them wrong. I would be shocked if Dalton did not at least win AFC ROY.

by SubCrim on Jan 7, 2012 11:24 PM EST reply actions  

I know AJ probably the more "popular" pick but

A rookie QB comes in. No off-season. He throws 20 TD’s and only 13 INT’s. In a division with powerhouse D’s like Pitt and Balt. Plus, even Cleveland had the number two passing defense and Dalton still put up almost 3500 yards in the air. QB is the toughest position to play in the NFL and I think he what he did is incredible.

by SubCrim on Jan 7, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

A love Dalton...and agree with you completely...

but I just think that if it comes down to Dalton or Green, that they will give it to Green….

by pemci on Jan 7, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Chris Crocker would be the 54th best player on any other teams 43 man roster

2011 Year of the Red Rifle
Carson Palmer 2011 Comeback Player of the Year

by Throw the ball on Jan 7, 2012 11:42 PM EST reply actions  

53-man* EDIT BUTTON....

2011 Year of the Red Rifle
Carson Palmer 2011 Comeback Player of the Year

by Throw the ball on Jan 7, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that including the Practice Squad?

I think Evans, at least, would beat out Crocker….

by pemci on Jan 7, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that my wife has talked me in from the ledge (not a figure of speech)

I will eval the season from what I saw (negatives first):

Strong start but fade in second half of season like every year of winning record in Lewis era. (2005 lose final two into playoffs and 1-3 plus Caldwell fumbling KO at Oakland in 2009)

Anyone on the Bengals D forgot how to play the game as Opp TOP increased steadily as season wore on.

no second running option developed and loss of Shipley limited consistent receivers list to Green and Green.

Positives: Won some game they should not have.

Rookies without camp played pretty well for new systems.

Atkins emerged. Period.

Outlook with next season’s schedule and return of Shipley and Hall: Okay. Should be 3-3 at worst in division. Should not lose a home game (expected with OAK, SD, NYG, DAL and MIA coming in to town) Be at worst 4-4 on Road

I expect next year to blow this season away by a bunch. I also reserve the right to adjust that statement for injury and FA signings by the league.

See everyone in few weeks as I glean the draft studies. Also will await date for JAX game to get my tix.

Later.

by david in upstate SC on Jan 7, 2012 11:44 PM EST reply actions  

The great players in the league are in their 6th, 7th year.

On defense anyways. We have Atkins, Dunlap, Sims, Peko, Hall, and more. Not to mention Shipley, Gresham, Green, etc. This team’s window is just opening. We’ll jump through it next year.

by Cry on Jan 8, 2012 12:25 AM EST reply actions  

Sims is a free agent

Peko isn’t great (he’s a good player, but he’s never going to be at the level of Ngata)
Hall may never be the same again, he hurt his achilles.
Who knows what Shipley will do after his injury.

Atkins, Dunlap, Green, Gresham, and Dalton are your young core with upside. There’s a lot of holes in this roster. Six of 11 starters today on defense were drafted by someone else.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 8, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

You could also there’s a few holes in the offensive gameplan, as Gresham clearly is not getting the work in that he should. He’s a massive target, yet is rarely used in the red zone. With time, the offence will gel.

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by Dorey15 on Jan 8, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Just read the transcripts

On Andy’s 3rd int he said he was TOLD to throw it to Aj. I dont know how many O.C tell their Qb’s to force a ball to their wr rather their open or not. That just makes me wonder how many times throughout the year he was told to go to a specific wr. I use to think Andy was doing it by himself, but you have to listen to your coaches

by cincyboi on Jan 8, 2012 12:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

DRAFT PICK

Anyone know what our 2nd pick in the first round will be now? Or is that still TBD based on the other wild card losses tomorrow?

by lil10isman on Jan 8, 2012 12:49 AM EST reply actions  

21 I think

but maybe 22 if Denver also loses? (not sure what the tie-breaker is)

by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 8, 2012 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

It's record based.

Denver loses, Bengals get 22nd. Denver stuns the world? Bengals get 21st but it doesn’t matter because hell just froze over.

by KSE on Jan 8, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL!!!!

I think Tebow is calling in some favors with all the injuries on the Steelers going into this game… ;)

by pemci on Jan 8, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

From Elias

“From Elias: The Bengals are the 1st team in NFL postseason history to play 4 consecutive playoff games, score first in each and lose each of the four games.”

by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 8, 2012 1:01 AM EST reply actions  

after today

I would be ok with gruden leaving, his playcalling is just too predictable, run, pass, run just doesn’t work, I honestly think we can do alright without him. But I’m very proud of our boys, they have heart (something a few players from the last few years didnt have) I think this loss is going to be a game we look back on 2 or 3 years from now as the beginning of a great team that will contend for tears to come. Hopefully it will lead to the first Bengals playoff win of my life as well as a superbowl ( the first of many of course)

by Weeman22 on Jan 8, 2012 1:03 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

I agree

But I don’t think it will be as terrible as some people think it will be if he leaves, we can easily get a great coordinator, tons of them would love to work with green and dalton

by Weeman22 on Jan 8, 2012 1:09 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Just got back from Houston...

This was tough to experience in person. It really is a good thing I don’t drink right now. I have plenty of hope for the future, and I love Dalton and Green, but what really got to me was that it just seemed like the team went the whole season without playing their best game. We saw them play well in halves maybe, but never full go for a whole game. The reason it’s scary, even when thinking about this young talent maturing or getting more talent with all their draft picks, is that it seems like the coaching staff doesn’t inspire them enough. They never seem to have fire in them, and when faced with a team that is inspired, they allow that team to dictate the momentum. Still, I hope a full offseason together and some fixes in the secondary and in a few other places will create a real contender soon. We have a good start here. It’s up to management to not let it crumble, or really what is the point.

I know this may be taboo to say around here, but after going to this game, I’m gonna have a hard time rooting against Baltimore next weekend.

by Israeli on Jan 8, 2012 1:16 AM EST reply actions  

Ever notice...

Some teams, like the Texans, lose a few key players and they move right along. Same with New England and Green Bay. That’s a sign of a team that relies on a good system, rather than good players. And that comes down to coaching. Other teams are the exact opposite…case in point is Indy.

Can the Bengals coaches do that? Can they create a system that doesn’t fall apart when a few players are lost to injury? I honestly don’t know at this point. Zimmer, likely could. Gruden, too early to tell. Marvin, honestly I’m having my doubts. I think Marvin is an okay coach, but I still think he’d be a better GM for the team.

by spif on Jan 8, 2012 1:44 AM EST reply actions  

Houston couldn't believe they were ahead at the break...

Dalton taking the sack on 3rd down, Nugent pulling the FG and then a pick six not to mention Marvin’s desire to throw red towels. We got over bad time management from last season – Marvin needs one person in the booth to tell him when to throw flags.

Overall, the Bengals petered out. Sims and Dunlap injuries killed the rotation on the DL which kept the team honest against the run. You would want to keep that unit together as much as possible. Geathers is probably a luxury that is top expensive to keep, though Will MJ show up? Could see them going DE in the first.

Howard and Lawson turned up all season. With Moch, Rivers and B Johnson to come back, the question is what they want to do at MLB. Is Rey the man?

Jennings came on at the end of the season and Jones played well in Hall’s absence. What Hall do you get back? Clements too isn’t getting younger. Issue is at safety but Cincy never draft that position in the first round.

Same issue with OG. Two replacements are needed. McGlynn is backup material. Bobbie may not have another season in him and only for a stubborn OL coach, Livings would be long gone. To win in the AFC North, you have to win here, and the Bengals need to reestablish the physical approach to the run game. That’s the off-season priority.

Benson’s done, that’s clear. Simpson is maybe too expensive to be a back-up. Can the Bengals finally hit gold on a veteran through free agency or do you risk losing chemistry? Whalen, Shipley and Hawkins give you targets Dalton likes. Caldwell has fallen off that list.

Got to find the way to beat Pittsburgh and Baltimore. Losing all 4 games to them and expecting to make any impact in the playoffs is not the recipe for success.

by wiseking on Jan 8, 2012 6:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Woke up this morning still pissed

With a day to reflect, they gave us more in the regular season than expected, but less yesterday.

That is all.

It's the same, only different

by CanadaBengal on Jan 8, 2012 7:40 AM EST reply actions  

After 300+ comments,

I don’t have much to add.

I just want to say that-#1 ( I hope that Gruden goes to another organization. It would be with my blessing.)

Also, ( Maualuga has been out of position all season long, at MLB. It may sound stupid, but i think that the Bengals’ D would be better served playing Skuta or even trying Howard at that position. There was a good reason that REY wasn’t selected in the first round, when we picked him.)

Also, ( I feel badly for both Adam Jones and CC, after this loss to the Texans. I’m fairly certain that both players played their backsides off, and it’s just unfortunate that neither one of them would be a starter on any other playoff team.)

Finally, Josh, I didn’t read the 300+ comments ; but I’ve got to think that somewhere among them that it was pointed out that you gave the Texans credit for 3 TDs, in the first half, instead of the two that they actually scored. Just saying…

by Fair weather fan on Jan 8, 2012 8:10 AM EST reply actions  

Observations and Comments

1. Does anyone know the extent of Sims’s injury and how his rehab is progressing? Despite the huge year that Atkins had it is obvious that this defense needs Sims to clog up the middle. He consistently occupies 2 guys, something Atkins and, despite his size, Peko don’t do.
2. Again, I go back to my Fanpost and ask why Leonard didn’t play more? He out-rushed Benson and Scott combined and did it on 3 carries. He is also a better blocker, better at blitz pick-up and he can catch out of the backfield. The running game was supposed to be the strength of this team coming into the season and it was their undoing. If you would have told me Dalton would attempt 40+ passes in this game I would have told you the Bengals are going to lose. IMO, Benson and Scott both need to go and the Bengals need to start the season with Finley, Peerman and Leonard. Then, the Bengals look to draft a RB in the 2nd or 3rd round.
3. The Bengals need to spend money in the off season to sign Nicks or Grubbs even if they have to over pay. That should be their #1 priority and preferrable over drafting a guard or signing a FA RB or WR. If Dalton is the franchise QB then the priority has got to be in protecting him. QBs are an investment over the long term. RBs have a shelf life of about half what a QB does and if you have an O-line that opens holes and sustains blocks most RBs in the league can consistently gain 4-5 yards with each carry.
4. Pacman will be fine and should be re-signed. I think a lot of people forget that he was out of football for a year (and a couple of years before that). He is rusty but still extremely talented. After an off season, preseason, etc I think we’ll see a dramatically improved Adam Jones.
5. I think the Bengals secondary can be fixed with a couple of moves and not a complete overhaul. One, you let Crocker walk. Two, you re-sign Nelson. Three, you draft the best CB available at 17. Four, you move Clements to SS. Five, you continue to develop Mays (who seemed to be coming into his own prior to the injury). Six, you re-sign Adam Jones. That isn’t a big shake-up and I think gives this defense the best shot to win.
6. They need to be looking to get Howard and Lawson signed to longer deals.
7. Re-sign Simpson but make it an open competition with Whalen for the starting spot and draft a big, physical WR in the 2nd or 3rd round depending on who is available.
8. Sign Zimmer to an extension. He had the perfect game plan for the Texans. He can’t make tackles or INTs but his schemes had people in the right place to make plays on nearly every play which is the sign of a great D coordinator.
9. Before Gruden walks (which I think we’re all confident he will), contact Ken Anderson and do everything you can to convince him to come in and coach, at a minimum, Dalton.
10. Contact Anthony Munoz and offer him the O-line job, then, after he says he’ll do it, fire Alexander. If you have ever listened to Munoz talk about how to fix this O line, you’ll realize he WILL fix this O line if you give him a shot.

Okay, I could probably keep going but that is 10 so its a good place to stop.

by WOOD98 on Jan 8, 2012 10:23 AM EST reply actions  

1) I agree, bring back Sims, we all can see the difference he made on this team this year. After he got hurt, teams just ran all over us.
2) Benson and Scott were also both outrushed by Dalton. At this point, I am not sure how you even consider bringing back Benson. Scott, maybe us him in Peerman’s role. USe him as the kickoff returner, but we need a better 1-2 punch at RB. 13 Carries 25 yards = AWFUL!!!
3) Totally agree. Aside from Cook and Whitworth, and I have to say Andre Smith was not too bad, but our guards are pathetic. McGlyn especially.
4) Agree, Pacman actually was not the problem. He tripped and the Texans took advantage of that. My main issue is with Crocker, he just looked AWFUL!
5) Definitely do not bring back Crocker. This game should be his last in a Bengals uniform. We need to resign Nelson, at least he got a sack yesterday, something even Crocker could not do. Plus a full offseason of Mays and Sands, would like to see what the brings to they table. However, I am all for getting a another Safety, if a game changer is available.
6) I think Howard signed for 2 years, but defnitely bring back Lawson. His last game against Baltimore was not good, but overall, he had a solid season for us.
7) Absolutely. However, will be glad to see Shipley back next year. :)
8) Would like to, but in the end, it is up to Zim, and if wants the opportunity to be a head coach, we can not really say no…
9) Move Ken Zampese to OC and Anderson to QB Coach? Sounds intriguing…
10) I think someone mentioned that this is Alexander’s last year on his contract. Agreed, let him walk and bring in someone that can do a better job with the o-line. We need to give Dalton more protection, and give the running game a bit of a push.

May I add in #11) USE GRESHAM more often. This guy can be a game changer, but again, the Bengals tend to view the TE as a offensive lineman instead of a receiver. To think we had Dan Ross, Rodney Holman and Tim McGee at this position, when did we start to under-use and abandon the TE position? Look at what NE, Baltimore, Houston, NO, SF all do with the TE position, we need to use the TE more often…

by pemci on Jan 8, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Having all sorts of issues logging in to this site...but anyways

The day after and I am 100% certain that this is where the game was lost yesterday:

JJ Watt makes an amazing, maybe once in a lifetime, INT and return for a TD. That is the first half, the second half of the loss, Chris Crocker has a chance for an INT and instead behaves like the ball is made out of molten lava and fails to make the INT! Right there is where this game was won and lost. They made the turnover, we didn’t. You can blame Dalton all you want, you can blame Rey all you want, but in my opinion, Crocker makes that INT, this is a tied game and things go forward differently. 17-10 when Concrete Hands Crocker failed to make the INT. He gets the INT, we have a short field, at worse, we come out 17-13, if not 17-17.

A few plays later after missing the INT, Crocker also takes a bad angle at tracking down Andre Johnson and gives Adam Jones absolutely no help with Andre Johnson. Instead of us scoring, the Texans score and we find ourselves down 24-10…

How much different would this game have gone if Crocker just came up with the INT. Totally lost opportunity, especially with has much trouble as our D has had with creating turnovers, you have to make the INT!

by pemci on Jan 8, 2012 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

I have to agree

The moment it happens I said “I bet you they get it to Andre Johnson for a TD in the next couple plays now. 14 point swing.” I think that was the worst part of the whole game…hell it’s the worst part of being a Bengals fan. We just never seem to be on the right side of those breaks. Houston gets it, we don’t. Story of the franchise. Crocker absolutely HAD to make that INT. That’s no different than a receiver dropping an easy catch in the endzone. Sometimes INT’s seem like “bonuses” on defense, but when your coordinator dials up the exact right protection, you make the right read, and put yourself in the right position then the outcome of that play HAS to be an interception or it was a failure, and the kind of major failure that can cost you a game.

by eric nyc on Jan 8, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Bring Odell back to play MLB

Hey – everything else has been said

by TX Bengal on Jan 8, 2012 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed....

Gave up too soon on him after we spent a draft pick in the supplemental draft to get him…

by pemci on Jan 8, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Another point...

Apparently, the Bengals signed Weber to the offseason roster. He was the kicker that competed with Nugent this offseason. Any thoughts?

by pemci on Jan 8, 2012 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

If we lose Zimmer...what are the chances Marvin brings in

Jack Del Rio to run the Defense? The Jags D was not too bad this year, an awful lot of injuries though, Jack Del Rio and Marvin go back quite a few years….

by pemci on Jan 8, 2012 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

That would work

I think Zim and Gruden both come back though

by TX Bengal on Jan 8, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Gruden may have taken himself out of the running for the Jags job yesterday

Not that it was all his fault, but he’ll be going into the interview this week with everyone watching highlights of an ineffective Cincinnati offense on ESPN every day. Might be just enough to bump him down the list of candidates. Ditto for Zimmer. I honestly don’t think our defense was that special this year, and the past 3-4 weeks they’ve been terrible. That’s what Zimmer is carrying into the offseason. I don’t know if he even gets an interview.

by eric nyc on Jan 8, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I still have an issue with Gruden being offered a head coaching position

after 1 year on the job. Especially with not being on an NFL coaching staff before. Yes, people will point to Payton and Tomlin, but those guys were coaching at some level in the NFL…Gruden wasn’t. He was in the UFL and in the AFL…I can not understand why anyone would want to give him a HC position just like that…

by pemci on Jan 8, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

FA List

Unrestricted
RB Cedric Benson, WR Andre Caldwell, OT Anthony Collins, DE Jonathan Fanene, CB Kelly Jennings, LB Brandon Johnson, CB Adam Jones, LB Manny Lawson, TE Donald Lee, OG Nate Livings, OG Mike McGlynn, S Reggie Nelson, K Mike Nugent, OT Dennis Roland, DE Frostee Rucker, TE Bo Scaife, WR Jerome Simpson, DT Pat Sims, OG Bobbie Williams

Keep: Collins/Fanene/Jones/Lawon/Nelson/Rucker/Sims

Offer: Jennings/Lee/Nuge/Scaife/Williams

by TX Bengal on Jan 8, 2012 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

If I were picking it

Keep Collins, Fanene, Jones, Lawson, Lee, Nelson, Rucker, Simpson and Sims. Would love to bring back WIlliams, but his age and the injury, could be tough. Maybe as a mentor/backup?

Scaife was injured and did not do much this year. Plus, coming back from a neck injury, seeing what Peyton is going through, makes me wonder. I would not mind bringing Jennings back either.

Johnson, Nugent, Roland, I am not sure, on the fence….

Livings and McGlyn = Don’t let the door hit your arses on the way out….

by pemci on Jan 8, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Offensive Line

The defense played poorly because they felt like they needed to win the game. We needed to impose our will in the running game in that stadium to take the crowd out of it. In my opinion we need to pick up a proven OG in free agency and one in the 1st round of the draft. Pick up a CB in 1st round also to keep Zimmer happy. Next priority is a playmaking RB.

I know zimmer would love to have the draft picks but I believe creating an offense that can consistently sustain drives and win time of possession will benefit his defense more than draft picks. If our offense was ranked around 10 this year the defense would have finished in top 5.

by BDFC on Jan 8, 2012 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

stop the run

Nothing makes sense until they figure out how to stop the run. Was Sims the difference? Is Rey the problem? The DB’s will look lots better if RB’s aren’t torching your front 7…
D

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Jan 8, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

Having slept on it I want to look at the positive.

Our defense is good enough to win with. Throughout all of the injuries they still kept fighting.
Momentum is a living, breathing thing and we have to learn when to take advantage of it when it is in our favor and know when to cut our loses when it is not.
On offense all of our weapons are good enough except Benson. Shipley will be back. Our receiving corps are good enough to win with.
Everything revolves around offensive line play. Break the bank to build a great line and we will be a great team.
We know how to get more from less talent. It is time to learn how to win on the big stage. If Marvin cannot win us a playoff game next year then it is time to look for someone who can. There are not going to be any excuses next year. We are going to have a full training camp and plenty of draft picks to fill the holes.

by D-Day77 on Jan 8, 2012 11:21 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Absolutely agree with you. Offensively...we get rid of Benson (7 carries for 14 yards, really?)

and get a better/upgrade at RB, right about now, I think even old Pete Johnson would have gotten more yards yesterday. We also need to invest and upgrade our o-line. Defensively, upgrade our secondary, they were our achilles heel all season, and could not make turnovers (INT’s) when we needed them.

Agreed on Marvin, if he can not win in the playoffs next year, make him GM and bring on a different coach. I would be hesitant in getting rid of him altogether due to how much control he has managed to wrestle from Mikey…can not see another coach coming in and getting that much control.

by pemci on Jan 8, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

My take on who should stay and who should go:

Obviously Benson is at the top of the list of “Needs to go”. Yeah, he gained 1,000 yards this season….but he did it 2 yards at a time. I’d say the fact that he spent the 2nd half on the sidelines is a strong indication that the coaches agree.

On the subject of our RBs. Why does Leonard not see the field more? Seems like he’s only put in when things get desperate and he pulls off some amazingly clutch plays. Wouldn’t it make sense to use him earlier in the game and stop things from getting that desperate in the first place? My opinion on that is they should dump both Benson and Scott, draft a RB and have him split time with Leonard. Hopefully Richardson, but I’d accept Isaiah Pead or someone similar in a later round if Richardson doesn’t fall to us.

Neither of our safeties are world class, but Nelson is FAR better than Crocker. They make a lot of the same mistakes, but at least Nelson recognizes when he makes a mistake and corrects it when a similar situation crops up. Crocker keeps making the same mistakes and never seems to understand what he did wrong. Crocker made 3 mistakes in that game that were potentially game changing. I’m not even going to go into what happened on the Foster run in the 4th.

Jennings actually looked pretty decent today, and I think he should be kept around for depth at CB (I don’t think he should be a starter though). Jones should be kept around as well, also for depth at CB. If we aren’t depleted at CB he should be returning punts as well, I mean hell, the guy has a 63 yard average return this season (1 return for 63 yards). CB is definitely a need, but we only need one more. Clements is a good corner, but he’s getting up there in years.

O Line was pretty atrocious in the second half. They weren’t terrible in the first half though. Maybe they need some more conditioning so they don’t run out of gas halfway through a game? Livings needs to go, but I don’t think any of the others were so terrible that they need to be kicked out the door just yet. Definitely draft or FA a guard though.

Simpson impressed me a little bit. He seemed to actually be paying attention for most of the game. Turning around and just waiting for the ball the one time he did needs to stop though. The hurdle he pulled off showed his athleticism again, would have been cooler if he hadn’t hurdled his way into the arms of a defender though. He’s proven that once he HAS the ball, he’s a threat to go all the way every time, but he has problems actually acquiring it at times.

I was very impressed with Whalen. I’m starting to be of the opinion that he was a steal where he was drafted (what, 5th-6th round?)

I’m actually somewhat concerned that Shipley might be a little fragile for an NFL WR. He’s spent more time on IR than he has on the active roster. Whalen would be a good replacement if that turned out to be the case.

Donald Lee made a nice catch, should probably be kept for depth.

Brandon Tate isn’t especially terrible, but he’s not that great either. I’m in agreement with what others have said, he’d probably be a much better returner if he actually got some blocking help once in a while. The poor guy is out there by himself all the time and expected to return the ball well. It’s amazing he manages to get positive yardage at all in those situations.

So.

Needs to go:
Benson (like TODAY)
Crocker
Livings

Needs to stay:
Whalen
Leonard (should be seen if he can start as well)
Pretty much the entire defensive line.

Debatable:
Jones (good for depth and punt returns, but not starter material)
Simpson (amazingly athletic, needs to get better at route running and focus)
Scott (he wasn’t any better than Benson in that game, but has been a good kick returner in the past)
Tate (I’m not ready to hold him solely responsible for short returns, he needs more help with blocks)

by Realityburn on Jan 8, 2012 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

Agree with almost all of this

Except for the bit about Shipley. He took monster hits working the slot all last year and never missed a beat. He blew his ACL out this year. That’s not an injury anyone is “prone” to. That’s just a freak injury that happens all the time in the NFL. If he had blown it out in week 12 instead of week 2 you probably wouldn’t even bring it up. Shipley’s the real deal, and honestly Whalen is probably better suited as a #4 guy or even a backup at #2. He’s taller and bigger than Shipley and isn’t going to disappear into holes the way Shipley does. I have been impressed by Whalen, though. He definitely has a place on the depth chart.

by eric nyc on Jan 8, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I now see why...

Jerry Jones doesn’t make decisions when he is mad.
I would have fired every coach last night after the game.
We had a great season and 20 other teams would have loved to be in our spot, even if it meant losing in 1st round of the playoffs.
Marvin did a great job with this young team and Zimmer did what he could with the personnel he was given. I am not really sure I buy into Gruden but I also think Marvin handcuffed him. He was trying things early in season and I think Marvin put the axe on those types of plays.
I would like to know what is up with Robert Sands. surely he can’t be much worse than Crocker.(hopefully) Taylor Mays sems to be brittle but what does he bring to the table after a full season of learning? Will Donte Moch be able to play with the migraine issues? So many questions and I would like to see the answers.
I don’t buy into the Rey Maualuga hype. I think he is a below average Mike. I know he was changing back to his “natural” position, but he looks anything but natural playing in it. I would have liked to see improvement from preseason to last nights game. It’s not there and I don’t think it ever will be. He even doubts he has the ability to play in the NFL, or atleast has said it enough times to make me wonder. When is the last time you heard a MLB “wonder” if he is good enough. The QB of the defense doubting himself doesn’t make me feel any better.
I don’t think the loss of Shipley was huge, I think Hawkins filled in quite nicely and seems to always make the plays he was given( far too few).
I think Dalton needs to learn to scan the field better and that will come with time. Dalton to Green was sweet, but Dalton to double and triple covered Green means a single covered someone else and he needs to find those guys.
I look forward to seeing what the future hold and hopefully we get the needs filled this offseason.

"Next season will be better" circa 1990

by Yarin on Jan 8, 2012 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

WR's

Green…well, do I really need to say anything?

Shipley is an excellent slot receiver. I hope he returns 100%.

Simpson has tremendous upside, so I think he’s worth keeping for one more year. I do think he needs to knock off the “hurdling over d-players” stunt or he’s going to lose the ball or get seriously injured. Sure it’s cool and an amazing physical feat, but it also makes him tremendously vulnerable. If he can cut down on his occasional dropsies, Green will pull double coverage and we can take advantage of that with Simpson.

Whalen strikes me as a solid, smart WR who can be counted on to make key plays. He reminds me of a WR version of Brian Leonard. I’d like to see more from him.

Hawkins impressed me as well, and showed he can make yards after catch. Keep him as well, and I’d like to see if he can return punts and/or kick-offs as well.

Caldwell…you had a few good plays, but time to let ya go.

by spif on Jan 8, 2012 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

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I do think he needs to knock off the "hurdling over d-players" stunt or he’s going to lose the ball or get seriously injured.

I’ve only seen him do it twice. I’ve not seen it knocked as unwise by any players. If he starts doing it unnecessarily, then sure… but I wouldn’t admonish him just yet.

Leonard does it and we call it the “Leonard Leap”. Simpson does it and it’s time to stop?

Merry Who-Dey, everybody!!

by supergrover on Jan 8, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

It’s based on reports I’ve heard, but apparently Simpson does it in practice quite a lot and he’s the type to enjoy the attention from it and start doing it more often in games. And his leaping ability is way above what Leonard and other RB’s do for an extra yard or two.

by spif on Jan 8, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

you could be right on the attention bit

getting that from the goalline flip and the comments after yesterdays leap might lead to him overdoing it when it might be just as well to juke or just take the yards

Merry Who-Dey, everybody!!

by supergrover on Jan 8, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not ready to knock him for it yet.

So far I’ve only seen him do it twice, once for a touchdown, and once when it was the only way to avoid being tackled (if he hadn’t hurdled the guy in the Texans game he would have been wrapped up and on the ground).

As long as he only does it in situations where it’s positive yardage or be tackled, I’m okay with it. If he starts trying it every time an opposing player comes at him, it will be a problem then.

And honestly, if he’s going to do stuff like that, he probably SHOULD practice it so he doesn’t try it in a game and break his own neck.

by Realityburn on Jan 22, 2012 3:29 AM EST up reply actions  

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