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Assessment for 2012: State of the Franchise


The nicest thing about the 2011 season was obviously first and foremost AJ Green: the best rookie they've had in ages and ages. Dalton also played very well for a rookie QB and looks good enough to win with, though he did not play well today. As for the young talent, they had mainly five guys who played major roles with (R) or (2) next to their names: Dalton, Green, Gresham, Atkins, and Dunlap. So I don't get carried away labelling that the best haul of young guys ever. It's nice but they need a lot more to win a Super Bowl.

Now what needs to be fixed?

The most important thing going forward is what happens with Lippincott's replacement. Do we get a family member/other unqualified crony/someone from a local high school? Or, (like the Raiders just hired the Packers director of football ops to be their new GM), do we get someone who has at least a few NFL bonafides? If Mike Brown leaves that spot open ("we don't need a director of football operations") or hires a crony ("my grandson Timmy can do it just fine"), then it's unrealistic to expect that much change in this town. Sorry. The number one need is still a competent person to run this organization from top to bottom. And I don't mean Katie!

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I am not sure if I'd mind if Marvin Lewis was promoted to the GM or Director of Football Operations spot. On the one hand I think he's a crummy game day manager and a crummy game day motivator, but he at least knows a bit about winning football from working for a Ravens Championship organization. On the other hand you could consider Lewis a "crony" at this point since he's done very little to justify as long a tenure as he's had in Cincy (no other town would have tolerated such a long non-winning streak). This team has lost fifteen straight games to playoff teams, and Lewis' overall record against playoff teams is 14-44-1 (0.246). And it's the same old pablum reactions to wins and losses, saying the same things over and over again and expecting different results I guess.

In terms of managing the roster: the team has a ton of free agents, some of whom are pretty desperately needed because you simply cannot expect a draft (even with a couple extra picks) to produce so many players. Of the back seven on defense, six of todays starters were other team's draft picks and a bunch of 'em are free agents.

Year after year Mike Brown leaves money under the salary cap while former players like Justin Smith and J Jo are now earning Pro Bowl spots in other towns, and the guys the Bengals bring in are usually other people's scrubs (Nate Clements a very big exception as he's still quite talented and performed admirably in 2011). Even Evan Mathis was let go, he's a very serviceable player at a position of need and much better than Livings in almost everybody's grade system.

And, significantly, they are getting very little from their third round draft picks of late (with a few very important exceptions) (I'm talking Moch, Ghee, Chase Coffman, Caldwell... that's four picks with not that much to show for them as of today). You have to hit on more of those picks if you are not a major player in free agency (which the Bengals never are and don't look to be in 2012 barring supernatural intervention that is normally reserved to help Tim Tebow)

Positions of need in 2012:

On offense they need better interior linemen. I'd probably try to draft a center and move Cook to Guard. The Bengals ranked THIRTIETH in adjusted yards up the middle by Pro Football Outsiders. Significantly, Anthony Collins is a UFA this year, and if he goes they have no depth at tackle.

They also need upgrades at RB and WR because AJ Green is the only legit threat that really scares the other teams and they're all going to scheme against Green.

On defense the defensive backfield could use at least one cornerback and a major upgrade at FS. I don't know which I would rank as most important there. Safety is one of the most neglected positions over the history of this team, with few high draft picks expended, and some pretty sub-par free agents acquired. Every highlight for the other guys, I see a Bengals safety wrong-footing out of the play. Like clockwork!

The linebacking group is not that great. Two of the three were guys they picked up off the street, testifying to continued inability to draft top LB in spite of spending more of the franchise's high draft picks on the position than any other position. Maualuga is often wrong-footing or running into a gap where nothing is happening. He's just not going to be a dominant force that Marvin Lewis covets since having Ray Lewis to work with.

Of the free agents I'd bring back Kelly Jennings (they are desperate for DBs and he should be pretty cheap). I would try to retain Sims, Rucker, and Fanene. Not sure about Manny Lawson or Adam Jones (given today's melt-down).

There's a lot of work to do if we ever hope to see a Super Bowl win. I'm still firmly in the camp of doubters. Obviously. Throw your challenge flags early. Marvin Lewis does!

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors.

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Great assesment.

Now that the season is over, I think that upgrading our OG and CB should be the priority. FS is usually eaiser and cheaper to fix then CB. Regardless we should be loaded next yr, and I can’t wait.

by redrifle14 on Jan 8, 2012 12:03 AM EST reply actions  

Sorry to double dip,

but we have got some busts in the 3rd rd of lately. We should get two 3rd rd picks, our regular pick plus compensation for J.Joe. So atleast we can hit on one of them.

by redrifle14 on Jan 8, 2012 12:06 AM EST reply actions  

I'm not able to find all these 3rd round busts???
some busts in the 3rd rd of lately

2004 Caleb Miller / Landon Johnson – both became starters
2005 Chris Henry – was a great deep threat (but had suspensions)
2006 Frostee Rucker – has become a D-line contributor
2007 no 3rd round pick2008 Pat Sims / Andre Caldwell -another D-line contributor / servicable, but replacable WR
2009 Michael Johnson / Chase Coffman – starting DE, and a TE who can’t block or make the starting 53
2010 Jordan Shipley – great slot receiver
2011 Dontay Mouch – hard to evaluate a injured guy after 1 season

Coffman seems like the only 3rd round “bust” in that he can’t make the roster, and easily cleared waivers. But if you watch Hard Knocks, he seems to have only been drafted because he was a family friend.

It’s hard to call Chris Henry a bust, because they knew what they were getting when they drafted him – which is why he fell to round 3.

Caldwell has started at WR some games, and while he isn’t all that good, he isn’t exactly a “bust” either.

by ephram on Jan 8, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Caleb Miller and Landon Johnson

were starters for an awful defense. Both were easily run over. I hardly count that as success — counting “starters” for bad teams is the favorite Mikey Brown way of justifying bad drafting.

Andre Caldwell is pretty much a bust. He made a couple good plays for the team back in 2009. He’s “started” but not been a real legitimate #2 WR ever. So he gets points in the Mikey Brown system of self-judgement.
Coffman is definitely a bust.
You left out Ghee, who is definitely a bust.

I really don’t think the drafting has been all that great. That’s where I differ with a lot of

by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 8, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Miller was only a starter due to injury

I’d call him a “serviceable” backup MLB. Landon Johnson was pretty damn good for a backup OLB, which is what he was most of the time here. He came in to spot someone and usually played well.

How do you define a “bust” in the 3rd round? Each year there are 38 or so kids drafted in the 3rd round and probably 10 of them become somebody in the NFL. The only guys you mentioned that didn’t contribute to the team were Ghee and Coffman, and I still think Coffman would have been a very good receiving option if our OC at the time had a brain is his thick melon head. After a couple years of being told he’s not good enough, he probably believes it now. Poor bastard.

Rucker took a while to develop, and I didn’t like the pick or that we kept him on, but he’s been pretty damn good this year. Shipley was great for a rookie last year. Henry was a real playmaker, the fact that off field issues took him out of some games and then out of life doesn’t make him a bust. MJ has started to look half decent this year, hopefully he keeps getting better. The way the d-line guys keep getting better I don’t think that’s unlikely. Moch.. who knows, too soon to tell. Didn’t like the pick, but it could turn out. Far too soon.

by indesignkat on Jan 8, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Evan Mathis serviceable?

he’s one of the top 2 or 3 guards in the NFC.

As it has been for decades, the primary changes need to happen in the office, not on the roster. Hire a GM (I’d be ok with Marvin in that role, but would prefer someone with good GM experience). Fire the position coaches that continually fail. How many people think Nate Livings is better than Evan Mathis in any way? 1. I assume that’s Paul Alexander, and if so he should be fired on that alone. How many people think Tubby Smith is better than Anthony Collins? He’s getting there, but how would Collins look if he had a couple years of playing time behind him? Collins was MUCH better than Tubby last year. If we lose Collins like we lost Mathis, and no one gets fired for it, that is inexcusable.

What is Hayes doing with the TEs? Coffman was a worldbeater in college, but he can’t get off our practice squad? Gresham looks the same as he did when he was drafted. Why isn’t Hayes accountable for the TEs not getting better?

What Jay Hayes as done with the d-line is awesome, but why are the position coaches that fail not replaced?

by indesignkat on Jan 8, 2012 12:39 AM EST reply actions  

It's difficult to disagree with anything you wrote.

Because you’re right.

A lot of folks grade Evan Mathis as one of the Elite Guards in the NFL. In Cincy he sat behind a guy we regularly watch get shoved on his butt. And on the other side they had McGlynn who stinks.

There’s NO ACCOUNTABILITY in Cincinnati because Mike Brown is not accountable. That’s how David Shula could get hired without qualifications and last as long as he did. That’s how Marvin Lewis can have a sub 25% winning percentage against the better teams and get to coach in what will be his TENTH season. That’s how Lippincott could keep his fat-ass employed with this team for 2 decades without any meaningful success and lots of failure (including the repeated acquisitions of players who had more police blotter accomplishments than NFL accomplishments). Bresnahan kept his job for ages and ages despite never once fielding a decent defense (either in Cincy or in Oakland). Bratkowski kept his job far too long despite being a crappy predictable OC. Etc.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 8, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Some interesting points and views

Hope they let Jennings go but you did say Mikeys favourite word ‘cheap’
We’re in womderful position to make that run proper drafting especially rouunds 3-5 no more projects. As stated above holding onto wanted F.A not farming out as has been the case in the past Anthony Collins should of played today along with Smith on the right side but dissapointingly he was inactive sadly we may have seen the last of Collins as a Bengal I hope not same goes for Sims, Rucker, and Fanene

by messjunk on Jan 8, 2012 7:02 AM EST reply actions  

Jennings has really improved a lot since the start of the season.

In fact yesterday he really looked pretty decent. I’d like to see what he brings does coming back next year after Zimmer (if he’s still here) has a full off season to coach him up.

by Luke on Jan 8, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe

Jennings has gotten a lot better at getting into the right position, but have you noticed that he never deflects a pass? Twice the thread has lit up during a game to say “wow, Jennings with the great coverage!!!” then they show the replay and, while Jennings was running step for step with the guy and jump with him, his hands were nowhere near the ball and the receiver just flat dropped it. Both times.

Maybe he keeps getting better with Zim, but why do we have so many guys that we’re hoping become good players? Why don’t we just go out and get good players? Or start the ones we have MATHIS COLLINS

by indesignkat on Jan 8, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Not recognizing Mathis and Collins as good players

is bad coaching.

Getting the most out of Jennings — which maybe is what we saw yesterday — that’s pretty good coaching. Which is why Zimmer is pretty good.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 8, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Question is

Whether Jennings and the like are going to be factors in a playoff SB run realistically 3-4 years away. Will he be here then for me no he never did any good at Seattle why keep deadwood. If we draft 2-3 CB we’ll need his spot to fit them play them and develop them. Same for Jones if he ain’t returning punts where’s his value

by messjunk on Jan 8, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

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