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Why is Brian Leonard not the starting RB?



This is a question that has been bugging me all season.

Let's look at his performance in the Houston game. He rushed 3 times for 34 yards, or 9 yards more than Benson and Scott combined managed to get in 13 attempts. His average was higher than Scott's total yards, and Scott made twice as many attempts.

He also caught 6 passes for 36 yards. The other 2 RBs caught 4 for 27 yards (Benson actually lost yards the one time he caught the ball).

Leonard is usually used on 3rd down, when teams are trying their hardest to stop any gains, and he still gets the job done more often than not.

The thing that really gets me though, is this is not the first time Leonard has outshined both Benson and Scott in a game. When he is healthy he is by far the most productive RB on the team for the number of times he touches the ball. He carried the ball 17 times this season for 85 yards, or an average of 5.0. Benson's average was 3.9 YPC for the season, and Scott's was 3.4.I suspect the only reason either of those 2 have more total yards than Leonard is the simple fact that they were given the ball far more often.

Leonard also had 22 catches for 210 yards, compared to Benson's 15 catches for 85 and Scott's 13 catches for 38 yards. And Leonard played in fewer games than either of them due to an injury.

So, that's my question for the day, and my first fan post. With the number of times Brian Leonard has outperformed the other RBs on the team, how is it he has never been given the chance to start? He is clearly capable, and has proven himself to be a reliable back in clutch situations. Why not give him the chance to show what he can do on 1st down too?

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If a starting RB cannot be acquired before next season, should Brian Leonard be given the chance to be the starter?
Yes
70 votes
No
31 votes

101 votes | Poll has closed

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors.

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Talented guy, yes........injury prone, yes. That's the issue I think we have.

He’s got to stay on the field. If he can do that, would love for him to be more involved.

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by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 8, 2012 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

Seen him in the preseason?

He’s definitely more of a 3rd down gadget back.

by Cry on Jan 8, 2012 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

he's not durable enough for an every down back

he’s perfect for a 3rd down/hands back. clutch as all hell too.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Jan 8, 2012 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

He gets a lot of yards on screens

and shovel passes. Not to say he’s not good, but give him the same kind of carries you give Benson and I think you’ll find a different back.

by The Dealio on Jan 8, 2012 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

Definitely one of the better third down backs in the league

hope we can lock him up for a while and he does not suffer any major injuries

by Tampa_Bengal on Jan 8, 2012 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

I like Leonard

But most of his yards are when the defense is playing off. He’s a good 3rd down guy but a starter I don’t know about that. Last night they were playing off leaving the middle wide open. They were inviting him to run in the middle to run off the clock.

by Bigcatdaddy on Jan 8, 2012 7:08 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Agree with all the above posting's

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 8, 2012 8:55 PM EST reply actions  

B Leonard is not a feature back

Most of his carries are on 3rd down, when defenses are playing soft up front, allowing 5 or 6 yards on a draw play when it’s 3rd and 10. So it’s hard to compare his ypc with a guy like Benson who is running on 3rd and 1 or 1st and 10, when those are more heavily defended to stop the run.

He’s also not an “elite” back with break away speed or shiftiness…so i don’t see him being a “starter”.

But, hs is under-utilized. He should be in a Saints/Patriots/Packers type of trio of RB’s who rotates in and out and gets 7~12 carries a game.

They should team up B Leonard, B Scott, and somebody from round 2 or 3 like LaMichael James and use them each for about 7~12 carries a game.

by ephram on Jan 9, 2012 7:43 AM EST reply actions  

Leonard is invaluable to this team....

But that doesn’t mean he’s a featured back. Running the west coast offense it’s very important to have a running back that can catch the ball out of the backfield – which Leonard does very well. The problem is that Benson is a below average receiving back and Leonard looks so much better in comparison.

Should we keep Brian Leonard? Absolutely!! The way I see this playing out is Benson will not be resigned and Scott may hit the road as well (which would be stupid in my opinion – I think Scott is grossly overrated and won’t have the same opportunities as he has in Cincinnati.) I like the west coast offense – but we need a running back that excels in both running the ball and receiving it out of the backfield. When we have that – this offense will definitely be something to watch.

Leonard = extremely valuable to this team, but not a starter.

by DiddyGotGrillz on Jan 9, 2012 10:21 AM EST reply actions  

IMO Leonard is the only valuable RB we have.

Fast but not fast enough. Benson seems pladding next to the RBs of the quality we need. Leonard is the only guy in the backfield that pulls his weight. We need an upgrade here big time in both positions tailback positions. This is part of what I see sa an 8 player upgrade to compete. The way Isee it we need two RBs, two Guards, two Safeties and two cornerbacks, all of whiom have to be upgrades over what we have now. All four of these positions are frankly substandard compared to teams who are really serious contenders. Thru 10-11 games I thought we were only 3-5 players short but IMO we are 8 players short minimum. I can see us realisticly finding 3-5 of them in this years draft and maybe 1 or 2 in FA if we realoly knock the offseason out of the park and get a bit lucky. Someone earlier on another thread said that this coming year is out real rebuilding year and I agree. Some have said we are a year ahead of schedule. I really don’t think that is the case.

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Jan 9, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Man, I have had a lot of oops this month. I meant to say Scott is fast but not fast enough.

How about we see if we can upgrade this sofweare and get an edit function added? It would at least help me.

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Jan 9, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Ditto!

Would love an “edit” option on posts! I know that’s not the responsibility of Josh and the others that manage this site, but they might know who to contact about the change.

by spif on Jan 9, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

where the heck is peerman

That guy seems to run hard when hes gotten the chance and he runs strong like benson so it wouldnt be a complete shift in our running schemes.

by TheVilified on Jan 9, 2012 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

He is averaging 5 yards/carry this year........on 5 carries lol

Guy has been good on ST too, but wouldn’t mind seeing him get a few carries. He did well in pre-season (I know, it’s pre-season) but never seems to get a shot. We just need to get rid of Ced and give these other guys a real chance. B. Scott should get 10-12 carries a game, Leonard 3rd down machine….and draft the workhorse.

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- Sam Wyche

by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 9, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

*Ooops, meant 3 carries. That made a huge difference in his robust stats! lol

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- Sam Wyche

by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 9, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

For 3 carries, yeah.....probably close lol

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by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 9, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Van Buren, Hillis had a bad year and got worse advice from his agent.

Much of his problems were the results of his agent’s greed – not his. The guy is a FB not a Tailback. Just go back and watch film from the 2010 season. Lets put it this way if you go back and watch how this guy can ball and if you still think 3dr of 4th and short would be a problem let me know and I will get off of it. He had legit injuries. Get rid of Pressley and replace him with Hillis and put him in the backfield with – oh maybe – Richardson then tell me we won’t be able to run a legit AFCN Offense. He got used too much by a team that didn’t have anything else to use. Leonard, Hillis and Richardson woild be a pretty strong backfield. Lots of really good RBs have had down years. He will not command a huge cintract anymore and he is more durable than you my think.

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Jan 9, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Easy, was only joking........

I live in Cleveland, believe me, I am well aware of everything Hillis. He will absolutely be out of Cleveland too, they have completely turned on him. I do believe he has some gas in the tank, but believe we could draft someone to pair up with our young skill position players and develop along with them. I don’t think Hllis is the brightest bulb either, listen to him talk sometime. I think whoever is closest to him doing the talking is what he’ll listen to….so his agent will continue to be his guide. But who knows, it’s definitely possible.

"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche

by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 9, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Its all good Van Buren

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Jan 10, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Hillis as a FB and part time RB I can get on board with......

if nothing else he could stick it to the Browns 2x per year.

"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche

by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 10, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess my point is that now..............

With Pressley and Benson in the backfield everyone in the stadium knows who is going to get the ball on a running play. With Hillis being a relative throwback to the 70’s ball carrying FB who can also run, kind of like Czonka and Kiick in Miami years ago, the D won’t really know just who is going to get the ball. Just a split second of indecision in the D can make the difference between a 3 yd. run and a 10 yd. run. It also opens up new ( really old) plays like the HB option to the FB. Hillis also is decent in the screen pass option and he can (and will) pass block.

Hey, I am not totally high on Hillis but I am getting tired of seeing our RB stoned at the LOS on 3rd and short and goal line situations. Think about this possiility. Get Hillis and put Pressley or another blocking FB in the backfield. Move Smith to LG, his more natural side, put Collins beside a stud RG that we get in FA or the draft. Now tell me that Whit and Smith with Pressley lead blocking for Hillis couldn’t move all but the very strongest effort of the very best run Dline backward and pickk up 3 yards. Especially if the right side is just as strong with Collins and the stud we draft. How many 3rd or 4th and short situations did we fail at this year and what did they cost us. By my count at least 3-4 scoring opprotunities at the goal line and 6-8 stalled drives.

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Jan 10, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the fullback idea

And still get a running back,then we would have the kind of depth we had the Benson,LJ,and Scott year

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Jan 9, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

come on dude, it's situational football

of course leonard has a better ypc and catches the ball, he’s the third down back.

meaning, defenses don’t stack the box with 8/9 defenders when Leonard is in the game because he is usually on the field for 3rd and 9… or 3rd and 12.

Defenses have a tendency to allow more yards per carry on third down because they move their entire unit back. Say it’s 3rd and 20. The Bengals shovel pass to Leonard. Leonard gets probably 10-15 yards on the play, but that’s fine for the defense because they just don’t want him to get 20. now it’s 4th and the Bengals have to punt it? See? Leonard’s stats get inflated

And, not that I don’t love the guy. Leonard is a perfect fit for the third down back on this team, he can catch the ball and block for Dalton extremely well. But, he’s not good at carrying up the middle

by BeWarned on Jan 9, 2012 3:20 PM EST reply actions  

I agree that we should give him a shot

Yes, his numbers are 3rd down and 2 minute situation numbers BUT, he produces. We can’t say the same thing for either Scott or Benson. Leonard was an every down back in college, whether he was playing FB after Ray Rice arrived or playing TB before Rice arrived or to spell Rice. The problem is that no one has seen what he can do if he was the every down back. This was part of my argument for why the Bengals should have benched Benson and let Leonard start the final couple of games during the season and the Houston game. Benson and Scott were sucking up the joint so why not see what Leonard could do with more carries, snaps, targets. The Bengals would not have been any worse off and may have found their every down back for the next few years.

Anyway, its interesting with all the “Leonard can’t carry the load” comments that he is winning the poll in a landslide.

by WOOD98 on Jan 11, 2012 3:14 AM EST reply actions  

i think perception of leonard maybe a little off

the fact we put leonard in on 3rd and longs and even 3rd and 4 tells me the defense probably gives him a lot space. I think there are a lot of junk yards you can give to Leonard. If he had the ability to start right now, he would have been the starter from day one.

Don’t get me wrong, Leonard has talent and is a good receiver out of the back field. But something tells me his stats are a little off. I think he should continue to do what he is doing because it has been successful ever since he has been here. And if we switch it up and make him the focus, defenses will be more prepared and they wont be caught off gaurd as much as there are now.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Jan 11, 2012 5:54 PM EST reply actions  

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